Berlin Township Michigan: Working Structure Fire, Heavy smoke and Flames 6917 Chester St
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Early morning of Thursday 1-7-16 The Berlin Township Volunteer firefighter Station 1 and 2 Was toned out fire a Structure fire in the 6900 Block of Chester St with a cross of South Huron River Drive. Dispatch said the Family of three were exiting the home and that smoke and flames were visible. I live about 15 miles from the fire and my father and I, hopped on the Freeway (I-75). Due to the the shortage of fire men during the Day and the report from a Berlin deputy on scene saying that it was fully involved, Berlin fire Chief called for Rockwood and Eastal beach fire Departments. it took us about 10min to get to the scene and we followed the 2nd engine into the fire.
I spoke with the Homeowner and she said that smoke was coming through the heat vents and cracks of the walls. The fire was mostly fought from the out side because the floor had fell in, in the middle of the structure.
NO INJURIES WERE REPORTED!
They're not trying to go in there. Outside fighting. The "entire" department has to be brought up on charges of negligence and impersonating real firemen. HORRIBLE!!!!!#
with a collapsed floor? you are a moron
@@robertyoung3992 Holes in a floor are a common occurrence in any fire. Even if an entire room has its floor burnt out you just simply avoid the room.This is a clear as day attic fire that needed to be fought from underneath and have ceilings pulled. At some point during the fire maybe the floor gave in because the fire got out of hand. But in no instance did the smoke condition and location ever show it was in the crawl space.
@@hihfty That is the way attic fires used to be attacked. There is a more effective and easier method. Fire also shows early on the Bravo side but is ignored.
I don't know the entire situation here but was there any reason why initially there was no line through the front door? what was the strategic plan on this fire?
+Travis Ernsberger i learned that the firefighters at the door are on probation and the house had A LOT of stuff in it
@@shaneneckel So are they firefighters or not??? If you're a fireman you can't just say "Oh sorry I'm new" and park your ass on the front lawn. This fire department might as well have not showed up at all. What a pitiful display of firefighting, even for RUclips.
Victoria Wilson: I am going to explain fire ground protocols for you. 1 the senior officer is usually the guy who is Incident Command. All other personnel govern their actions in accordance with the orders of the IC. That means that everyone parks their asses until they receive orders from incident command if they have not already been given their assignments. When I was a recruit Firefighter I was put on traffic control until I learned enough to actually work fire suppression. Our safety/training officer consistently talked about fire fighter safety and the importance of having a coordinated attack plan to reduce the risks and always cautioned against independent action.
@@victoriawilson1076 there is something I noted watching this video that I didn't mention last time. Heavy smoke showing near zero visibility inside and the line was not yet charged what would you have them do kill themselves? You don't know what you're talking about. One other thing I noted the Recruit/probie FF with the line shot a short burst inside as soon as the door was opened. My question to you is why was that done. I know do you.
Travis Ernsberger Yes, if you read the description, the floor had already collapsed before they arrived.
um, interior attack? or just didn't feel like it that day? (standing in the doorway doesn't count. Since your feet are outside lol)
Did you not read the part from the poster that said the floor had fallen so no interior attack was made? Read before making ignorant comments.
@@allanr6132 ok Chief lol. i been in plenty of interior attacks where the floor was as soft as liquid. and i'm still here, alive and breathing.
@@michaelpatanella .. I'm with you, but if the floor is unsafe entry should not be made unless people are inside. I'm a northeast FF, aggressive as they come, but no floor or weak floor is a no go.
U ever see something so messed up that ...u start to second guess your own skills...I kept giving them the benefit of doubt...
ur probally not even a fireman just a wannabe and have no skills atalll
Anthony Catsoris that’s pretty funny...I’m a wanna be that’s cute...I have been on four different departments all of which have been know to handle business...But thanks for the compliment
Like what the actual hell? Did anyone have a clue on what to do?
Often, our department will actually breath air from our SCBAs.
Old school style doesn’t rely to that so much.
This is how you save a foundation... too many individuals standing around doing nothing in their new turnout gear. Sorry but this department fails structure 1 on 1...
They too professional to put it out the right way ? I sure hope they got some Real Re-Training. So embarrassing to Firefighters everywhere.
They should all be embarrassed!
This fire needed at least two holes cut in the roof to start with. would have let the heat out
I'd disagree. This is a vent limited fire. Ventilating this fire would create flow paths that would pull oxygen in and give the fire what it's starving for. Of course you can't tell from the video if you can or not, but in single story attic fires, I'd pull the soffits and flow water right into the attic space. Once you've applied enough water to transition to a fuel limited fire, then maybe open the roof up for some ventilation.
The group at the door should have entered and ripped down the ceiling to expose the fire. Also a hole cut in the roof would have drawn up the heat and smoke to they could attack it from inside. They had all the water they needed. As a firefighter myself we had a fire similar and we did cut a hole in the roof entered ripped down the ceiling and save the house with limited water, we are a tanker town 6,000 on site at the time with another 9,000 on it's way from other towns . BUT with all do respect, not one fire is ever the same.
@ross beck Are you a fire fighter? I am, And no it doesn't make it burn faster, it clears the area of gases , heat and smoke so we can find the fire and put it out. Have you ever heard of a back draft? if we didn't vent, you would hear many cases of Fire fighters getting killed..
@ross beck I'm sorry, But you're wrong, you need to vent to get the built up gases out so it doesn't flash over..I've been a fire fighter for many years and we train with several other companies and we all do the same thing.
@@williamclark5339 absolutely vent it , your right release heat gasses and stop the horizontal spread. I’m not bashing any dept, however I have no clue what is going on here. Uncoordinated and too many idle hands.
We dont always see the big picture from this side of things..but I gotta say this was some lame attack. But aye...risk a lot to save a lot ... not sure what was in there.
What attack? All I saw was a defensive position from the very first.
@@crforfreedom7407 they couldn't go inside the dwelling the floor had already collapsed
Was this a practice fire???
This is a great video to show why we need to train for a greater understanding, recognition and control of vent limited fires. Every time they opened something up, be it the front door they were standing in, or the hole they cut to access the attic, they made the fire worse. If you're going to fight the fire from the front door, take a step inside and close the door so we're not feeding the fire.
with no floor to stand on?
How can you close the door if you have a charged hose you idiot.
@@andyoxleyonhistravels Doors can still be closed enough to limit a flow path. Idiot.
@@lindahoff7391 Not with a charged line you fool, you still have airflow. Idiot.
If they knew what they were doing it would help.
Nobody used a thermal image camera while doing a walk round which would have given you a good idea of the seat of the fire.
They stand in the doorway with the nozzle on tight jet and most of the water they use will just bounce of the ceiling and is not absorbed.
If you stand in the doorway widen the nozzle a bit , so you have a larger surface area of water which gets absorbed more effectively which in turn will reduce the heat and cool the flammable gases that have not ignited.
The seat of the fire looks to be at the side which if they had spent a bit of time hitting with a slightly wider cone from that side would have had a greater impact on knocking back the fire to start with.
To be fair they dont look like they are very well trained on anything.
@@andyoxleyonhistravels Competent fire fighters are trained not to stand in door ways for a number of reasons. A little research will help you under stand flow paths etc. And what is a tight jet? Do you mean straight stream or solid stream?
I don't like arm-charming other department's strategies and tactics from looking at a youtube video, but have to say there's nothing tactics wise done correctly on this structure fire. Recognizing it as a well involved attic fire once lines were ready top side ventilation should have occurred. Please don't try to justify the safety factor when the gabled cut the firefighters made was a whole let less safe and most of all least effective for structural relief of super heated gases. Also, firefighters need to have breathing apparatus donned and in use or mask can be donned quickly if needed for rescue and protection of self! I think the FC needs more experience and/or training in fire ground command. I know this is 5 years old, but firefighters are still using these videos for entertainment or training purposes. Allen Portman, Retired Firefighter (Captain).
They have so many mistakes it's hard to list. But what do I know? I only have have 25 years in a professional fire department including Rescue 1 WPFD.
Sure you do buddy.
Next thing you'll be claiming you just stayed at a Holiday Inn
Sandy Becker my mom always told me if it had nothing nice to say, then don’t say it at all
@@glennhuber4975 So then the point to this condescending reprimand of a comment was.... Mom approved?? I think not....
You mean like the fact that besides the overall lack of desire of bothering with the extension into the attic at all, the one hole they cut in the gable end, they cut INTO the wind instead of against it, or where a vent should be in the roof, making a fuel source for the fire rather than a vent? There's a couple....
Terrible loss. Footage was exceptional
On top of all the other issues I haven't seen anyone mention 8:10 his terrible climbing angle, he could have busted his ass at any second
So what I'm hearing from the comments is that the fire was so bad it broke through the concrete slab floor ? Anyone remotely familiar with construction could tell immediately this house has no basement or crawlspace
From my years of nail-bending, I can tell you the fact that the siding goes almost down to grade is a pretty-good indication that it's not a basement, but there's no sure way to tell if it's a crawlspace or slab. Odds are slab with siding that low as the sill-plate gets attached directly to the slab so the siding extends close to grade, but depending on where they stopped with the foundation wall or where they piled the dirt, but I can tell you first hand slab-construction isn't that common in that neck of the woods, and it theoretically could be ANYTHING. I've seen enough strange variations to never guess without a close look.
Water dont put out smoke. Put the wet stuff on the red stuff. 6 minutes after arrival still standing at the front door. Enter the structure . Pull the ceiling and fight the fire.
while I'm glad there were no injuries, I'm sorry for the loss of personal property this family suffered.
'How to Not Fight a Standard Dwelling Fire.'
Again I feel the need to explain that what people see on youtube commonly is about 5% of what is going on at any given time. Not bad documenting by the videographer just that new media and social media must also stay out of the firefighters way.
Agreed. And read the description before commenting. It clearly stated the homeowner reported smoke coming out of the floor vents and cracks in the walks and the floor had collapsed. Yet most of the comments had me rolling eyes. No way would i allow my crew to go inside a burning building with a collapsed floor and obvious fire in the walls and ceilings.
What i honestly don't get is why Americans live in inflammable wooden sheds like that. In Europe we host our cows better.
This is just one layer of timber with a plastic cover!
All we need now is an exposed LPG-tank that nobody's cares to dig it in.
I didn’t see a 360 walk. That could’ve helped identify the seat and avoided the front door debacle. Free flowing fire and no water
Another fine example of WTF!
I hope someone in these Departments watches these videos and realizes this ain't all right.
Look guys, charging a handline and opening the front door is only the first step taken towards extinguishing the fire. (i.e. The handline must be advanced into the structure by entering through the front door and continuing on throughout the building until you have extinguished the fire) The way you guys are reacting to actually advancing the line into the house, it looks like you are really "Smoke Shy and Fire Scared" which is not the way firefighters are suppose to react. Just observing and commenting on what I see.
Maybe you should learn a bit more about building construction and reading smoke. That was a VERY dangerous fire, with ZERO life hazard. Risk little to save little, risk a lot to save a lot. There was a VERY high chance of ceiling collapse or backdraft. No way in hell I would send anyone interior for that. They may not be the best FD out there, but they were smart enough to not over commit themselves on a fire with nothing to save.
@@ffjsb ... actually early in the fire the smoke was not a backdraft risk, it was lazy brownish smoke, not turbulent black smoke. Black smoke indicates a high probability of backdraft since its in the decay stage and oxygen deprived. This was not backdraft smoke and visibility was actually really good with a high neutral plane at the front door. There was adequate manpower to attempt an interior attack and try to find an opening. Had the neutral plane been low, had the smoke been pressurized and black or at least darker, then the risk may be too high. You need to learn about size up and smoke.
@@tewksburydriver8624 Evidently you missed the part about the floor having collapsed. Not to mention that there was heavy smoke from the entirety of the eaves. Lots of times you can have backdraft potential with not that much smoke because there's not enough ventilation for smoke to come out in large amounts. And black smoke indicates more hydrocarbons, thick brown smoke is from incomplete ignition of class A materials.
I only know about this because of nearly 40 years in the fire service and a fire science major...
@@ffjsb .., you missed the part about the smoke not being a significant backdraft threat yet. Plenty of smoke venting showing that combustion was taking place still. Had there been a floor an interior attack was absolutely possible until there are more signs of either collapse or backdraft. I have a Bachelors in fire science and a Bachelors in a fire administration and Emergency management along with 22 years of full time experience in a busy department. I don’t like to spout my resume but if you think an interior attack based on the visual cues was not possible then it’s a good thing you are a key board commander. Floor collapse is a separate issue.
@@tewksburydriver8624 All that education and you missed the fact that it was a basement fire with heavy extension into the attic space, and minimal manpower...
Son, I've got a bit more time that you do, maybe one of these days you'll realize that a building isn't worth a life. I've seen backdrafts with less smoke than that.
I hate HOUSE FIRES!!!! I used to work for a FIRE/WATER damage restoration company,It is very sad to see what people lose in these situations!!!! POSY BY RICHIE
If all the people that make all the comments on what was wrong with the way the fire was fought got off their asses got in the job and showed the real firefighters how to do it the correct way the world would be much safer. Because they know it all.
So all you armchair firefighters just run right out their and show us how it’s done.
I'd love to!
Not by just standing around doing nothing.
I don't know that I have ever seen a less skilled, less effective fire attack
Copy that, I appreciate the reply.
What the...fire is red smoked briskets on the way.
Holy Sh*t, Just go home. No one on scene had any idea what to do.
Not being critical but can someone explain to me why the front door was left open and no entry? Once the front door was opened, flow path was created. I understand transition, but no water made it to the seat of fire. Water should have been flowed in middle window Bravo side under the fast moving smoke. If your guys are able to stand at front door then there isn't any heat in that area. In my professional opinion 1. Vertical ventilation would have kept fire localized. 2. Make an aggressive attack and control door. 3. Cutting hole in front of house only created a upper horizontal flow path. Looks aggressive but not effective. Only positive constructive criticism I'm giving. Stay safe train daily.
Read the description, the floor had already collapsed inside, entry was not safe or possible due to hoarder conditions.
If you are afraid to go inside get off the deartment
Did anyone on this dept hear of ventilation?
Glad I don't live there the FD is inept.
which fd shift was this that responded?
great that noone was hurt
Only those that were there saw what was there
Looks like the fire had a pretty good head start. There was a lot of guys without air packs on. Maybe they did not have enough for everyone. When I was a volunteer we only had a limited number of them.
+pipesmoker not a lot of man power. hoarder house plus the firefighter at the door probationer
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Might be electrical fire
One fucking hose ???
We have a new parking lot
Wow. Just horrible tactics. The firefighters with the initial line at the B side window need some training. Stop spraying the floor. Tighten up that stream, stick that hose into the window and bounce water off of the ceiling for 30 seconds, and that whole room would have been knocked down. Poor line tactics all around.
Good thing nobody was hurt or killed, as a former first responder (volunteer firefighter) I thank you for the Gatorade.
My God I'm glad I don't live in this Township
as much as you know or pretend to know..... you'd be CHIEF !!
Gregory Pitchure I bet they are too, they don’t need assholes in their town
what is the electrical device the one fireman is holding in the doorway?
+micheal porter Infrared heat detector
TIC....thermal imaging camera
Don't think they needed that
Mr. Brinkman a thermal imaging camera gives the Incident commander and officers a view of the fire that would otherwise be obscured by smoke, steam and walls. this allows the IC and officers to have better information to help deal with the fire.
Don Brinkman don’t need your asshole smart comments
Vent the roof and make an interior attack these are not firefighters they are what we call pager wearers or red light chasers seems to me they should start out with learning the basics and then take structural fire fighting classes
William Stubbs: If you had bothered to read the description under the vid you would have known that there had already been a collapse of the interior floor. This makes it necessary to use defensive tactics for FF safety. As for the interior attack why risk fire fighters lives for a structure that is already lost on arrival,
Jesus guys, one line, really?? Get some lines in those windows!
Don Brinkman wow one as bad comment? Get some more experience and try again!!
taking that window out is not going to put the fire out and where did the hose go?
Gerald Alama not but it gets the smoke and heat out so they can get a better knock on the fire
Good fight but I bet there was a eve on the other side that
Will that truck only supply one line?
Very poor attack first arriving company should have made an interior tag pulled some ceiling there is no vertical ventilation
Read the description, the floor had already collapsed inside, entry was not safe or possible due to hoarder conditions.
@@mxslick50 the house is on a slab the fire DEPT used very poor judgement in attacking the fire no one went to the roof to ventilate the house could have been say just goes to show the most of antir fire departments are poorly trained
gary cooper no floor inside from what I’m told, so interior attack no good
I think it's in the attic...
Glad to see they flush hydrant first.
That's about thjem only thing they did rfght. Incident Command/ Safety Officer running around without a helmet. Nered for a bit of training her, dontcha' think
A perfect example of not reading the fire and understanding what hose stream techniques that needed to be applied.
the worst ffirefighting ive ever seen !1 get inside the building half those guys i wouldnt have on my pump ...
Tama Wihongi thank you keyboard firefighter! Glad you know so much to come in and lecture us on how to fight fires the right way. I’m sure every fire is the same, and could be fought with the same tactic every time.
Not hard to guess which will be some of the first jobs to be replaced by robots
The Berlin Township Volunteer firefighter Station 1 and 2 these people are not being paid much because they are volleys. The other possibility is they are like I was a true volunteer who got nothing but the feeling that I was helping people in dire need.
I'm so flustered I can't even comment.
Man what a slow attack
Come on guys get inside stop putting water on smoke
There is actually good reason for putting water on smoke.
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Can see why it's a total loss.
It was a total loss when they got there. The occupants were hoarders, and the contents fuel load made any kind of interior attack too dangerous as the floor had partially burned away pre arrival. Some places, the windows were blocked by contents. People need to realize that some fires occur where conditions make any effective attempt at suppression too hazardous using the equipment and extinguishing agent available.
This is the Berin Townships 1st annual training fire...Home donated by (Paid for) the insurance company.
Were they waiting for someone to answer the door??
Don Brinkman they were waiting for their line to be charged before opening the door.
It's generally a bad idea to add air if you don't have water right there.
That ladder is sitting at a terrible angle. That second firefighter ought to be securing the ladder at it's footing.
It would be easy to bash these firemen but something tells me they're probably from a small town, all volunteers, and the township doesnt have the budget to train them. So many things wrong it actually made me cringe
Sorry just watched alit of mistakes on here wow really first if your on a latter like that you need to lock your self in safety first second PPE is very important and the list can go on wow
Jesus Christ how long was that forward lay
Can we say water damage smh
Cluster F*$*
Poor strategy.
Fire in attic hit it from the ever get some water in there guy took way too long trying to the line at the hydrant then no venting before standing at the door
jay s when you can craft a cohesive sentence that is understandable then you can make intelligent commentary until then stop showing the world how illiterate you are.
Wow how much time do you spend on removing what little is left of the window frame that did not need to be messed with this dept needs to do some serious training
Looks like they need some firemen.
This is why “hit it hard from the yard” doesn’t work.
I agree, but I wouldn't even call this "hard from the yard". This looks like when the boys clubhouse burnt down in the Little Rascals movie.
The whole concept applies to doing an initial strike on a fire that's already vented on its own to reduce the volatility of the environment inside for crews to enter- and it irrefutably works at accomplishing that. It isn't enough to put the fire out, never has been and nobody ever said it would be. Ever.
Unfortunately in this case a combination of inadequate exterior application of water where it was going to help in tandem with hesitation in entering to do proper extinguishment while the fire was small and oxygen deprived resulted in what we ended up seeing.
Eno M: I would be hesitant to enter a structure where there has be a collapse involving the floor. "The fire was mostly fought from the out side because the floor had fell in, in the middle of the structure." Metro Detroit Fire Incidents Photography
David Lenzi No one went in. Who made that determination? These guys staying front door never hit the main body of fire.
Okay fair enough... hadn't seen that last line in the description. My bad.
Firemen TOTALLY Useless...
No, your comment is totally useless. Man up, do a video of YOU fighting a fire of this scale, then come back and show us you know what you are talking about.
@@mxslick50 You Have Your Opinion And Mine Is I Would Of Had That Fire Out With Two Teenagers With Me In Short Of 15 Minutes... I Would Of Saved The Structure.
Doc. You seem to be a RUclips troll. Try that shit in person and you will get your ass kicked.