Colin Bridgerton, Penelope Featherington, & The Lady Whistledown Overdramatisation (Season 3 Review)
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Colin Bridgerton (Luke Newton) and Penelope Featherington (Nicola Coughlan) star in Netflix's Bridgerton season 3, following in the footsteps of Anthony Bridgerton (Jonathan Bailey) and Kate Sharma (Simone Ashley), and Simon Basset (Regé-Jean Page) and Daphne Bridgerton (Phoebe Dynevor).
In this video, I discuss and speculate on the more dramatic approach to the Lady Whistledown storyline in Bridgerton season 3 (and seasons 1 and 2) compared to the source material, "Romancing Mister Bridgerton" (Bridgerton Book 4).
This is the third review of multiple videos I will be making about Bridgerton season 3!
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Can we talk about them forcing FEMALE CHARACTERS TO FIGHT?! Kate and Edwina did not have a horrible emotional fight at all. Eloise and Penelope didn't fight like this either. The conflict doesn't have to always be cat fights. Let's normalize positive female relationships!!! I don't need extra manufactured drama, the stories are good on their own!!!
Honestly I wish there was more Polin screentime the side plots are overtaking the lead couple
YES especially the mondrich family they really pissed me off even pens family was so annoying
totally agree, after the second episode i ended up skipping a lot of the mondrich, bendict and featherington plot because i just wanted polin and francesca
Im a polin stan but i enjoyed all side stories
THANK YOUU, there is not going to be a scene of them as kids as confirmed by the actors in an interview and it pissed me off so much, all the past couples had a backstory flashback. I would have loved to see them as kids that would have been so cute
@@14suryashi it’s so disappointing and instead of giving us flashbacks they gave us the mondrich family scenes that are so pointless!
The carriage scene came so quickly and we got almost nothing of Colin grappling with his feelings. And there was SO much potential. He says he has feelings for her and she just… accepts that? It felt so underdeveloped, I’m so upset 😢
maybe they should’ve copied and paste and fanfic because they did it better and they did it without making Colin into a rake. that’s what I must pissed off about. to the point where loss my excitement and I can barely look at him.
I also felt that the carriage scene was rushed. Or maybe I’m biased because I’ve read the book already
Omggg I agree! After I finished S3 part 1, I felt so underwhelmed 😔
I don't know how much more grappling with his feelings you want from Colin. They had so many scenes of him staring longingly at Penelope. They showed us that dream sequence. At the innovation ball you see him trying to figure out what to do and then getting blocked by Lord Debling. At first, I hated the brothel scenes, but they did show his progression. At the beginning of the season, he was trying so hard to be an Anthony like character, but, as his mom pointed out, he has always been one of her most sensitive children. He is exactly the opposite of Anthony. You see that when he's out with "the boys," and they laugh at him talking about wanting more and his feelings. I really feel like we saw his struggle of trying to fit in and then finally realizing he didn't care about society as much as he cared about Penelope. You see this when he interrupts the dance, which is scandalous and against social norms. He does this because he cares more about Penelope than he does about society and its opinions.
So all the build up to the carriage scene & that’s it… 😐 the dialogue or lack of it given to Colin is the worst part of this season!
just realized EVERY EPISODE 4 OF BRIDGERTON IS A PROPOSAL. Season 1 E4 ends with Daphne letting everyone know her & the Duke are to be married. Season 2 E4 ends with Anthony proposing to Edwina. Season 3 E4 same thing. The proposals never are the happily ever after. The true conflict is yet to come.
Yeah I feel like everyone is treating part 1 like it’s the end-all-be-all or that somehow the show runners can change what’s going to happen in part 2 at this point 😂 idk it’s a weird response in my mind. Similar to the whole hate train that formed around Charithra (Edwina’s actress) in S2, and I don’t like it whatsoever.
You know what I missed?? Polin not dancing together!! He did not ask her to dance not even once, he only interrupted her dance with Debling
Yes! That's exactly what I thought as well. Where are those sweet dance scenes that the main couples for season 1 and 2 got?
Penelope would of not accepted a dance at all from Colin because she was trying to separate her feelings from him when she decided to find someone to marry.
Once word got out that Colin was teaching Penelope how to flirt she did her best to avoid him in public at all costs.
I would have loved to see them dance too but heres hoping we get that in part 2! 🤞🏽
@@Kairiwitmuchlove yeah I also think she wouldn’t have accepted, but I would have liked that Colin asked tho. For sure they’re gonna dance in part 2, can’t wait
Duh, of course he didn’t. The whole point of their relationship thus far is that he’s been taking her for granted in S1 and S2, and back then he used to dance with her. It’s only when he realises he actually loves her and was in danger of losing her to Lord Veggie Boy that he wants to be with with her, and having him dance with her casually would have lessened the tension between them.
To be fair we have only recieved half of the show. The conversations that need to be said between Penelope and Colin still could come about in the next four episodes.Also Colin is terrible at expressing his true emotions.After their first kiss his brain 🧠 went into mind melt mode. He could barely speak with friends and family let alone the love of his life. Remember from season 2 when he call out the crooked male family member for having fraudulent diamond mines. He actually talked about rehearsing that speech all day. Words dont flow naturally to him unless he is completely comfortable with is inner circle. That is why he has adapted this charismatic charming facade that he presents to everyone outside the circle. He also lacks courage ( which we have seen thoughout the different seasons, but has been working hard this season to improve that aspect of himself)
Penelopes quick acceptance of Colin doing the bare minimum is because she understands him on a deeper level. She has been watching him for decades and knows this side of him has never been shown. Penelopes mind had blocked the idea of him falling for her but her heart never gave up ,which is why she could not give Lord Debling a 100 percent Im over him answer. So when Colin basically confess he needed and wanted her,she wasted no time in giving in to these emotions.
Your brain is huge for this, thank you
Yes 😊😊😊😊😊😊
I respect your opinion but I have different perception.
Few minutes ago, she explicitly said she didn't believe he had feelings for her. Its a bit rush to turn around 100% to believe those sweet words easily.
If there is no Marina-Colin I might agree that Pen would have to say yes without question, similar to the book. However, the show is portraying Pen as independent perceptive logical person. How can she say yes knowingly that she is keeping a huge secret from him. She despise Marina for deceiving Colin and here she was doing the same thing. Eloise is another thing. Can she honestly believe that Eloise would just accept their engagement? She is not thinking straight. its like the writer wants so much drama that all progression she made were all thrown out the window. Just disappointed they made her character suffer so long. (Cinderella story where the girl suffers while waiting for a prince to rescue her is so outdated). She deserves better.
@mu9173 I definitely see where you are coming from, but I feel like this season we saw a little less of Penelope’s logical side and saw her emotional side come to the forefront. In both scenes where she’s writing a Whistledown column, she’s writing it in a highly emotional state; which is why she wrote what she did about Colin and quickly regretted it when the paper came out.
Also, at heart, Penelope is a romantic. She just never showed it (I think) because 1) Eloise was anti-love and she was matching her in that way, 2) because she never really thought she had a chance at love, especially not with the one man she desired so much.
After years of unrequited love, I think it made some sense that she accepted his confession as fast as she did because maybe she thought she needed to seize the moment and have him before he changed his mind or something.
To sum this unnecessary essay up lol, Penelope has never really been logical when it came to Colin ykwim
@@mu9173 If you recall they ended it without her responding. We don't actually know what she's thinking other than she smiled. That doesn't mean though that she accepted the proposal immediately.
As Violet Bridgerton says: HOW ARE THEY TO GET TO KNOW [THE REAL] EACH OTHER IF THEY DONT TALK!
RIGHT? 😂
Francesca and John sitting together in silence works because it's PART of their love language but we do ALSO get to see them actually talk to each other. 😂
I really do wish they'd fleshed out Colin more in the first four episodes and focused more on him and Pen developing a deeper friendship, then eventually falling in love with their authentic selves. I was also hoping to see a flashback of how their friendship started, how Colin's dad's death shaped his character, and how Pen may have been a light for him after his dad's passing. But maybe the second half will make up for it 🤷♂
Correct I didn’t see enough of the friends to lovers that I came for 😠 throw Cressida’s story in the trash I was promised a When Harry Met Sally type of love!
This this this! But in an interview Nicola and Luke said that there is no scene of them as kids, and THEY COULD have easily done that, both the seasons in the past got that, but here they had so many storyline’s they didn’t do it
@@VivianReads I did enjoy cressida and Eloise's scenes together - probabbly because there was a lot of genuine conversations between the two. But I Gree with everything else u said - way too many unnecessary side stories. Not enough Polin. Not enough friends to lovers.
Yes! This! All of this lol
Especially for a season based on the friends to lovers trope. WE NEED CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS. They’ve been talking about it their whole lives and now they decide to stop? We had like 10 minutes of them together in each episode. So frustrating
In an interview with Shonda from the red carpet premiere, she was asked how they came to the decision to split the season and she said “you’ll have to ask Netflix”. So yeah, I imagine there are even more decisions that come from on high.
It seems like Netflix literally wanted the episode split into 2 separate months for revenue for them
Show runner said in many interviews that it was written and filmed for full season drop and Netflix approached them later about releasing split into two (guessing after or during the strikes)
I think if we had more scenes of Colin having dreams about Penelope, it would be better to show the change from friends to lovers, Like him having dreams about their childhood, moments of connection and maybe some spicy dreams too 👀👀 kk so the scene where he says he sleeps to find her would be more impactful
Right! Also flashbacks & journal entries being read something 🤦🏾♀️
They had 4 episodes to make Colin suffer, to show us him questioning his life decisions and they DID NOT. My girl suffered for TWO seasons, at least give me an episode of colin being miserable, being a lost puppy without Penelope. And also, so many stories in this season, like just focus on them and maybe another character. I think next time they should just hire fan to make the series
A full episode with his pov of past and current events would've been nice
Suffer for what? He didn’t owe Penelope his feelings.
Thank you for describing exactly how I felt about not just season 3 but season 2 as well! Not enough conversations where people discuss their emotions! It’s hard to feel like they’re falling for each other when they barely discuss anything serious with one another!
🤷🏻♀️ After rewatching it several times now, I like it! Though I agree there’s at least one too many side stories, the subtly of the acting is thus that I like reading the emotions of their face. It’s giving Pride and Prejudice. Less dialogue, more acting. It’s just a different kind of depth.
Totally agreed with what you said. In S2 the love triangle dragged way too much instead of focusing on the Kanthonys inner turmoil.
In this szn however while I do understand that whistledown in books just wrote harmless gossip while in show whistledown has ruined the lives of people that it would be weird to reveal the identity like they did in books.(every one accepted it so casually in books lol).
I hope they don't drag Whistledown plot too much in pt.2 because I want the romance of Polin not 100 unnecessary subplots.
I felt the lady whistledownn plot was redundant at times in the book so am glad they spaced it out.
But hope they talk more about their writing and family like the book.
Based off the part 2 trailer we will be embroiled with the lady whistledown drama the entire time
Totally agree. I feel like I only got the apology & carriage scene where they actually talk about their feels to each other. In between that was majority pining & looks. I felt it made them not as deeply connected. I love the emotional connection lovers within romcom or dramas have from communication & vulnerability with one another. Hopefully we’ll see more of that in part 2 to flesh out their relationship more.
Colin went from "you're my friend" to "I love you with a burning passion let's get married" in like 5 mins, it's so stupid. But this is art under late stage capitalism and the actors and creatives did what they could.
Right! He was literally visiting brothels and having threesomes and then suddenly hes in love and wants to marry Pen. There was no struggle.
You know i really liked this season so far. I enjoyed watching all the storylines. I see were the changes come from. Its hard to cross that threshold of being friends and then lovers and admit that to yourself. That is why Colin was shown suffering in silence almost every day. He is a lover, not a fighter. Now he needs to show how he can fight for his love for it to last!
Oh thank God I am not the only one who didn't enjoy it (at least so far). I found the first half so... underwhelming? Too many storylines merged into 4 episodes, while all we wanted to see was how Colin was desperate, we wanted to see his emotions, his feelings, we wanted to see him thinking! about Penelope. While in the end we just had a few glances when he was jealous, his lust when she was eating a cake and that's pretty much it? I feel like even the story with Lord Debling was implemented just to rush Colin's feelings, although I did like this turn lol.
And frankly speaking, if you ask me when did Colin understand that he's in love with Pen - I can't give you an answer because I don't know, the show didn't reeeeeally show us him questioning if he does or not and then realizing he in fact does. Therefore the carriage season just kicks you all of a sudden, if I were Pen - I wouldn't have any idea either and we got to see what she didn't see.
That being said, bless Ruth Gemmel (Violet Bridgerton) for that ball scene, her acting was absolutely incredible, how her eyes lit up when she saw Colin looking at Pen, she slayed.
Sometimes we forget that Colin in the book also realized his feelings in a similar way. If not for the inner monologues in the book, it really does go from kiss to proposal. Colin isn’t even sure he is in love when he proposes. He just knows that he enjoys Pen’s company a lot and is passionate towards her. What they could do is have him have a conversation with one of his siblings where he talks about his feelings. While he did have one with his mother already, they might want to explore it in depth. I think when we will finally see Colin really come into his feelings is when he finds out Pen is Lady Whistledown because then he would choose to love her scandal and all. What I do want them to explore is Colin finding his purpose for writing and having an open and honest conversation about it with Pen, because that truly was a huge character growth point for him.
@@preciousnzeakor4018 ah thanks for the book reference! I haven’t read it, so didn’t know that he still questions himself when he proposes 😅 that being said, according to the show he was already madly in love during the carriage scene since we have a monologue 😂 I agree with your suggestion to have a talk with someone, I feel like we are lacking his thoughts being said out loud.
I think the most disappointing part of Season 3 is how they've completely omitted Lady Danbury and Penelope's friendship. In the book, Lady D was her patron almost pushing Pen out of her comfort zone, and giving her the courage to be visible. And a large part of that allows Colin to recognise what a gem Pen is. In the series, they have fallen back on the old trope of the guy who rescues the girl by teaching her the ways of society, making her more appealing to other men. And he only fully realises her awesomeness when another man is vying for her attention. So it's become about men now - Bridgerton which was a series for women by women. What's even worse is Lady D continuing to pay attention to the "Perfect little Bridgertons" and completely ignoring Penelope! This one kinda broke my heart.
THIS!!! I was looking forward to some of the best Lady Danbury material, she shine's best in Polin's story... That was a let down, instead they're bringing the dark vibes from her Queen Charlotte arc...
I was so looking forward to that too. The trailer gave me hope when Lady D mentioned Lord Debling, I thought she was talking to Penelope 😅
Yeah, i think this show has the same problem that season 2 had. They are focusing on way too many characters. Leaving little time for the mains. I also was baffled that he asked for her hand without knowing she's Lady W. I guess we need more drama for later on... like they did with the whole love triangle that really was never supposed to be a love triangle from season 2.
Oh and Avatar had a better love story than Twilight. dont @.
yes i agree and its even worse because they added the mondrich family and lady danburys brother i found it to be so unnecessary. All these extra plots and for what? We barley saw colin yearning and falling in love everything felt so rushed
It just felt like we were watching side characters for 4 episodes. I needed more emphasis on Pen and Colin…
This show in general has the same problems as most current shows which is simply a lack of episodes.
The book is so so so so so so much better. The conversations the two have are beautiful and it shows why and how Colin fell deeply in love with Penelope!
The buildup for Colin and Pen's relationship was actually well laid in last two seasons. This season, could have been their best writing. Both the characters had a depth to them and they have wasted it. I am still swooning, but that is to Luke and Nicola 's credit. I think you are completely on point with your assessment. They tried to deliver too much, without having delivered anything meaningful. I still believe, Polin story could have been a great exploration of art of writing and gender. You had TWO Writers falling in love!! The conversations could have been so so rich!!
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Amen, I'm really upset about not having more scenes about Pen helping Colin gain more confidence in his writing.
Why do I feel like I'm the only one who loves this season so far? I just don't have the problems with it that I see so many people stating. It kind of sucks actually because it makes it less fun to engage in social media about the show when everyone is so down on it, but I'm over here adoring it, myself.
I like some parts and there's other parts I'm more critical of. For this video specifically, my main criticism I wanted to bring to the forefront is the larger pattern of corporate meddling in the artistic process than it is the actual storytelling on the show but most of the viewer response I've received in comments has been about the material of the show. YOU are here providing your positive feedback and that's completely welcome here too! 😊
To be fair, I too disagree with many here.
It wasn't that bad. But it wasn't as good as it had been hyped to be.
This season has many flaws. Among them pacing : it is so crowded with so many things happening at once, and everything is so overdramatized... We do not have time to sit with the characters and enjoy the subtle acting of the actors, we don't have as many lessons and nerdy and meaningful chitchats between the leads as we expected... And because of that it feels rushed and a bit underdeveloped.
It also felt that some subplots don't match in "vibes" but not in a good way.
Thank you. I was beginning to wonder if I was alone in liking this season so far. It is, after all, the first 4 episodes.
I find it fascinating that everyone else seems to be bothered by the added storylines presented in this season. Ironically, no one criticises Queen Charlotte's scenes. She doesn't exist in the books, yet no one admits they skip HER scenes as much as they do with the other characters.
Furthermore, let me briefly reflect why the other storylines are important.
1) Given how Cressida plays a role in the unmasking of Lady Whistledown in the book, I have a feeling there is a plot twist in her friendship with Eloise that we don't see in the preview of the next episodes.
2) Francesca's debut story needed to be told in this season, because it coincides with the timeline of her marriage to John.
3) The Featherington and the Mondrichs are similar because their story explains the wealth distribution of the Regency period. A ton family needs a male heir to safeguard their wealth, otherwise it would be transferred to an unlikely relative.
4) I'm cheering for Violet to find love again.. she deserves it. 😊
@@slkbfly0183 to be fair the Queen's scenes matter because they influence Francesca's and Penelope's (as LW) (+ they are short). What does Benedict's line add to the overarching story? The Mondrich could be removed (or greatly reduced) since their function of showing how society works is already being executed through the Featheringtons, who are especially relevant for being Pen's family. The other plotlines I agree that are fine: Cressida and Eloise are important characters for the overall story and Violet's romance isn't taking much screen time. And Francesca needs the set up.
@@evelina2619 I understand your reasoning. I'm sure the Mondrich family are minor characters. I don't mind seeing their character arc. In terms of Benedict's, we still have 4 episodes left of this season to see the progression of his story.
THANK YOU! I finished watching and have (of course) rewatched multiple times since and I’m just filled with rage right now. Was so grateful to find you’ve already uploaded so you could vent for me 😅
Some Polin scenes were extremely sweet, especially when they laughed together. And overall Luke and Nicola did an incredible job! But there were hardly given any time. It sometimes felt I was watching another couple’s season. And the scenes we did get felt rushed with no proper writing. The dialogue could have been miles better. It was just cut and paste of some lines from the book just to be able to say they got them in.
I hope the two extra episodes you watched have done something to fix this.
Yup I've got another two videos pre-recorded and other videos are in development. I wanted to have more videos prepped in advance but I didn't have time because I don't have the privilege of doing RUclips full time and also the foster cats took up a lot of my time. 😂
It'll be interesting to also add new talking points to that to-do list now that I can gauge where my viewers at with the varied responses to the material in season 3 part 1! 📝
I wanted the Lady Whistledown plot to be revealed midway through the season as well, and I was so convinced they were ending part one with that.
Really hate as well that Colin doesn’t know Pen is LW. I get they didn’t want to do it like the book and ratchet up the drama but it feels so icky.
Once again, amazing insight and analysis and you are right on the money here. Yes they are over dramatising everything, when actually there is enough drama from the relationships in the books that we don't need to add more. I'm the same, I'm pissed he didn't find out she's whistledown before he proposed, in the books he wants to marry her, scandal sheets and all. But for dramatic purposes, they need more conflict when actually the books give plenty. We watch this show because of relationships. Not just romantic ones but friendships, family. That is what I'm here for. Give me love between friends, love between family members. The little moments this season where eloise shows she still cares for penelope even though they've fallen out and she's not ready to forgive her, amazing, incredible, give me more of that!!!
Still pissed off at Benedicts lack of tangible storyline. They had such an obvious one, Benedict knows how to manage an estate (though where has that storyline gone to), Will Mondrich's son has inherited a title which will have an estate, Will while a buisness man has never managed an estate, asks his friend Bendict to help him understand it all, leading Benedict to talk more about purpose and his feelings towards having something of his own, yet also seeing another happy marriage up close and how much he wishes it for himself.
But no because apparently Luke Thompson is just too good at being charming, seducing women and rolling around in bed with them so he needs to help fulfil the seasons quota of bedroom time while they wait for other couples to reach that point. Dear god ep 7&8 better have a decent bit of story for him (I've seen full descriptions of ep5&6 because unlike you, some media should not get screeners because they can't follow simple instructions about not releasing spoilers)
I really hope you are going to do a video on what plotlines they could've done for Benedict instead of him just bedding yet another woman. We get it, Luke must have it in all contracts that he removes his clothes at some point (my god he looks good without them but still, it is excessive, almost every stage show too) but the guy can act beautifully, give him more to do than just be making out with a new lady every season.
Also worth drawing to your attention, the run time of episodes in S3 vs S2. If each episode should be 60 mins (minus a few for credits) something is a miss because take off the credits and out of 240min for 4 eps at 60mins, you've got 204min minus credits. Could easily add in 30 mins more of scenes, where have they gone because you know they filmed more than enough to fill 60min per episode. Shortest one starts credits 48 mins in. Is that worth a video and some analysis?
Oh my that Benedict assisting Will in running an Estate is so freaking good .And it could have been better if Will helped Benedict with marriage matters during his turn to keep them further in the show
It looks like Benedict is taking over the "finding one's purpose" arc while Colin is more "finding oneself and having the courage to he it despite society expectations and toxic masculinity" and that fits with them I think.
It was all too fast and yes, yes, yes they need to talk to each other, realizing they are true friends and love each other.
To be fair that can still happen in part 2
I think the real conversation and showing their true feelings each other will happen at their engagment ball. That will be the cherry on top of their love. I assume he will find (or Pen could tell him - I do hope is that) out by then that she is Lady Whistledown, I don't see them drag it all the way to the oltar. I kinda hope they (Shondaland) won't. :/
There are so many sweet talking scenes between them in the book too. Like when he convinces her to put the eclair in the plant pot, or when he's agreeing with Lady Danbury that Pen is smart and capable. Or or or when they discuss his writing more and she tells him all that she loved about it.
I think they've been doing a really great job. Of course I would love more polin time. And honestly, the Benedict love story is cringe and unnecessary. I think they're trying to set up Benedict for next season. However, I still don't love his stuff. The lady whistledown plot is going to be a problem, but it was a problem in the book too. I am excited to see where they go in the second half of the season.
Netflix had nothing to do with how Lady Whistledown has been portrayed. It was all how Shonda, Betsy Beers, and Chris Van Dusen saw the character. It's all about how they write TV. I take it you've never seen Grey's Anatomy or any of her other shows. Drama is definitely the priority.
So true.
Bingo.
True but there was also substance
People blamed last season for little intimate scenes and slow pacing. Now they give it to us and people are still upset, whilst 4 more episodes to go. True, they included a lot of subplots but they have to introduce plots to carry on for the following seasons. It wouldn’t make sense not have some type of development for the following leads. Besides, we’ve gotten a lot of Pen and Colin in seasons 1 and 2, which is why in interviews they said “ it was good that they could jump right on in”…it’s a bit crazy to say it was rushed. Saying that he’s lusting after her , as if Anthony and Simon did not do the same in the first 4 episodes of their seasons, !Only George, farmer George was the exception! Nevertheless, I’m liking the season so far, the next 4 episodes will be a roller coaster I’m sure
The part that really bothers me is that Penelope enters her engagement without telling Colin she's LW. By doing that, She really has no moral foot to stand on when compared to Marina. She enters an engagement with Colin on false pretenses, just like Marina did, but for significantlly less desperate reasons.
She didn’t accept yet in the show so actually that is tbd… 👀 in the book he found out & then asked.
@@VivianReads the trailer for part 2 is out. She accepts it and doesn't want to Tell him the truth.
I’ve looked on every official channel for a new part 2 trailer and can’t find one anywhere, I guess I’ll see when they release it….
@@VivianReads Yeah they say they are engaged in the part 2 trailer :|
@@VivianReads it's been uploaded to RUclips. It's a treaser trailer
Flashbacks. Where are the flashbacks? I miss them, they're one of my favourite elements of the show but due to the lack of them all I know of Colin is he likes travelling, he has slept with women & he likes Penelope. He still feels like a side character and it's so annoying that it feels as if the show is relying on the fact that we've known the characters for 2 previous seasons so they don't need that much build up, but it's like No I've been waiting for this...show me Polin! Not Lady Danbury's brother.
As a new (show only) Bridgerton fan, I really appreciate your insights here. I thoroughly enjoyed the first two seasons, loved Queen Charlotte, but found myself lacking interest in season 3. While I like Penelope as a character, I have trouble being invested in her love story with all the arguably terrible things she’s down as Lady Whistledown. Doesn’t help that currently I find Colin the least interesting Bridgerton. I’ve looked for analysis on Pen’s character and those she’s hurt. It helps learning that the Whistledown plot line isn’t anywhere near as intrusive in the books. The overwhelming Penelope love I’ve been seeing everywhere makes much more sense lol
I thought I was the only one - the thing that worked so well in S1 - the getting to know each other the hand grazing the whispering in ears, the promenade walks of private conversations - I feel like it was all missing.
They jump right in on the assumption that they are good friends. But other than being amicable and Eloise's friend we really havent seen much focus on their so called good friendship.
Then Pen is not replying to him while he is away. So they would have so much to catch up on - but nothing. No discussions on the people they have become while away from each other, or the things he has experienced (such a missed oppertunity for showing us a deeper connection between the 2). I havent read the books. But i really felt like it was missing true connections.
From reviews of the books it sounds like there is a lot of inner monologue going on - bringing in the holiday journal aspect of colin, they could have had him writing about his feelings about Pen (or having him give her some of his passages to read, conveying character development, they way he views the world or maybe some raunchy stuff too) - another massive missed oppertunity to convey his changed feelings and longing for her.
I feel as tho Pen still loves colin like a child crushing on her friends older brother - I would have liked to see her fall in love with the grown up version of colin, who he has become sweet, caring but also flawed and human and her with a deeper understanding of him not a shallow infatuation of a boy whos shows her kindness and treats her like a person (Low bar stuff).
I need tention, i need conversations, i need emotional connections.
I feel as tho Men have meddled with this to the point where its not really for us anymore. As hot as the carrage scene is - what would make it hotter is the build up before hand and i felt like that was missing.
There is a reason i have watched the 1995 pride and prejudice a million times in the last nearly 30yrs. And its not for the raunchy scenes is it!
Edit- the seccond watch through was better. But maybe because my expectations were managed this time around.
I do love their match - I just wanted more of them falling in love. Hopefully the rushed start means 4 FULL episodes of passion and wedded bliss and loving each others company. I feel like they deserve so much happiness. If they fall out for too long about the whistledown thing I will be devastated.
Before I say anything else, I always agree with so much that you talk about so I love watching your videos - thank you ☺
I think the main issue for me in both s2 and s3 is so many side plots, and a problem with splitting it is we don’t know if some seemingly pointless ones are in fact, pointless and are taking time away from the main story, or if there is something to connect it which makes it (somewhat) worth the time taken away from Polin.
I actually quite liked the first two eps for Polin, they definitely could have done with more but in general I liked where they were at for those two with the lessons etc. However, I think they needed (and deserved) a lot more in eps 3 and 4. I think that the lessons idea could have continued further, but mainly I wish they had more scenes just talking where you could see their old selves - like when they start laughing together at the ball in ep 2 after Colin encourages her to talk to the one of the lords. I feel that was really missing in ep 3 and 4 and just replaced with Colin staring longingly at her, which didn’t feel like them as much. You could still have him struggling after the kiss, but trying to maintain the normality and comfort that he’s used to with her (like they do in the scene under the tree). It felt like they were somewhat distant for those 2 eps when they didn’t need to be if they’d allowed time for more scenes with them. That being said, while I think the romance has come at a fast pace, I think I still prefer it to s2 as at least there is hope for how their relationship can develop further at this point, whereas Kate and Anthony stayed at essentially the same point from the end of ep 3 to ep 6 (which I found *so* frustrating for an 8 episode show)
Despite not loving it, I always thought that the Whistledown reveal would be at the latter end of the season rather than the middle like the book, just for how much the show uses it as a dramatic tool. I’m expecting it to be in ep 6, as that is when the previous 2 seasons like to have their big reveal drama (ie. Daphne finding out the truth about Simon and that fallout, Edwina realising at the wedding that Anthony loves Kate), and if it is any later I will be massively disappointed in the show.
Overall I’m just feeling at a bit of a loss as it’s so hard to judge with only seeing half a season, and trying to think about if s2 had been split at the same point (and in some ways it has, with a proposal/engagement with dishonesty involved), you really can’t tell what is going to happen with just half the information
anyway, thanks for coming to my ted talk 😅
I'm working under the belief that Shonda Rhines has enough clout to reject any creative decisions she doesn't like.
The biggest issue is that Penelope is 28 years old in Romancing Mister Bridgerton. Colin has been traveling the world for almost a decade instead of a few measly months. There is no defense for the lack of a time skip between seasons two and three. Every major storyline would be better for it.
On the show, Polin hasn't had time to mature separately, so dramatics is the only way to move the plot.
Absolutely fucking agree! Enjoyed your reference to the book. Would have loved if they’d included that conversation .
Hate the Cressida subplot it’s the annoying mining plot of season 2 coming back for round two!
Please give Cressida less than 5 mins of screen time in the next 4 episodes! Netflix nobody cares about her 😒
I hope more people watch your videos because THIS. IS. GOLD.
Me, not having watched S3 yet, seeing Lady Jenevia release a third S3 video: OH WORD???
WORD, and I still have two more videos already pre-recorded. I had brainstormed more than five videos but I didn't have time to get all my ideas fully prepped before the Part 1 drop. Maybe the full-time RUclipsrs can do that sort of thing but I wasn't able to. I tried, though! 😆
@@LadyJenevia DOUBLE WORD!!!
11:10 The speculation about corporate meddling in Bridgerton once it became successful lit a light bulb in my head. Season 1 felt like it was much more focused on the main couple but from season 2 onwards, there have been so 👏 many 👏 sideplots! More storytime for the white Featheringtons! (As a South Asian, I'll never stop being mad that Kate didn't get the treatment of Simon or Daphne from season 1. Where was the flashback?!)
And book fans generally seem to prefer Kanthony and Polin as couples over Simon/Daphe, so WHY would any writer choose to take time away from that main beloved focus? You're right, there's got to be an algorithm checklist coming from higher up, meddling as soon as season 1 became a gigantic hit. You just know someone wanted more Lady Whistledown drama because they saw some chart that said Gossip Girl was once a hit.
When it was slow burn it’s way to slow now that it’s fast it’s way to fast; I need some time to settle in with the characters!!!! Also why do they go overboard with everything
The short answer? NOT ENOUGH EPISODES PER SEASON.
Yes…the pace is very very fast 😔 not enough episodes and too many sub plots… part 1 is better in a re-watch…at least it was for me. There is a lot of subtle acting on Luke Newton’s part that got missed my first time through it. I really wish there had been more time for talking, just as she said in this video.
@@jenniferf.1601 Yes! I really wish they included more dialogue for Pen & Colin.
Long short story, I just want to see how this couple fall in love. And that's all. Maybe explain me more from the family, Like Kanthony, prepare the path to Benedict, or present John sterling as they did. But I want to see how Colin and Penelope turns from friends to lovers, and honestly, this doesn't appear. xD
And I had the same issue with Season 2. I want the style of season one to come back!
Everything came up too quick and I felt shocked 😂 I still couldn’t understand so much how the love came from . It feels like the circle was not complete . I definitely think that season 2 was waaaaay better !
That quote at the very end about canceling tv shows is how I felt about The OA. I enjoyed the video.
I admire your chaotic energy x rigid scheduling combo
I couldn't even schedule things as well as I wanted because I didn't have enough time! 😭😂
I need them to stop pitting female characters against each other. Eloise and Pen did not have this dramatic fight, nor did Kate and Edwina. I hate them adding these manufactured emotional problems. The stories have conflict already. Let's normalize positive female relationships. And I DON'T mean Eloise befriending the meanest girl whose bullied Penelope relentlessly. 😬
You are right, I wish he would have known right away about her being Whistledown because that is totally why he decides to marry her and realizes how good of a writer she is. I want a jealous Colin, not because of another man but more meaningful when he gets jealous of her. You barely hear them talking about his writing especially in the drawing room when she saw his journals. Ugghh
I hated jealous Colin in the book.
But the part about him overcoming his insecurities and opening up to her about his writing and showing to her and them becoming a team was great and I hope they kept that.
@@elisa4620 I hope they do the whole writing thing and that they team up and he becomes Lord Whistledown.
The *premier* Bridgerton content channel! These videos make me so happy.
Being honest in the books I don't think Pen being discovered would be that bad as I don't think she wrote anything majorly bad but I haven't done all the books.
With the series you know its going to be bad when it comes out. The queen is going to ruin her. Also the colin and pen story isn't great. Think from the 4 episodes are much better.
Think Nicola played Pen beautifully. As a bigger girl I felt it in my soul... even made the husband watch it. Even though I watched it twice on the phone. Lol.
Poor guy.
Also what I liked too is that the women colin are with aren't skinny. Curvy ladies which means it's not that big of a jump from them to his attraction to Pen.
Oh I am making my bf watch it with me LMAO
I'm not sure if you meant the Polin story is better in the book or in the show?
But yeah, in the book LW reveal wouldn't be so bad, in the the show... It depends. She also uses it to compliment and uplift people who deserve it so they may not feel so cross.
@elisa4620 I mean the show is better as I feel book colin doesn't deserve her. He seems easy to anger and a bit of a whinny git. Lukes version I feel gives us so much more.
This was actually my favorite Bridgerton book because it was so character driven. And now we don't have what made the book so good and what made their romance soft and convincing. As a Kanthony stan I was super upset about how little development Kate got in S2, but it looks like Colin is getting the same treatment. Stupid execs telling artists what to do 😑😑😑
Did anyone else catch Pen lowkey telling Colin she was lady whistledown ? After the word got out about him helping her find a husband and "lady whistledown exposes them Pen says "It would have been suspicious had she not."
I noticed that….
Yes 👍
Can't wait to see your Kanthony S3 video 😊😊😊
I do like the book better too plot-wise, but I prefer show Colin. Book Colin was a little bit rough, not as tender BUT I can see the characterization with Colin in the book as more having temper than his other brothers
Knew your content was right for me when I saw the Grease 2 poster. Good taste!!
Feels similar to when Scandal went off the rails and became so overly dramatic you couldn’t feel anything besides stress
I am surprised, at least for the Polin scenes, that I did not mind the changes to the book.
I loved their new scenes with each other, but do agree they deserve more.
I feel as for the Lady whistledown plot, they are adding subtle layers to it. She is harming herself when writing about the march making scheme. Every time Colin brings what she wrote about him, she makes sure to say that LW was wrong, aka she was wrong. We are gradually seeing her guilt on how she writes in anger and does not take a day to look over it. She also half/defends and half degrades her by saying “she is bound to report the truth and it would be suspicious if she doesn’t.
I feel these small things add some nuance to not only how she feels about what she writes, but the confrontation will.
How do I want the confrontation to play out. I did want it to be like the book, but I feel there does need to be an argument, but considering there is only four more episodes, I am worried how it is going to affect the relationship.
So often, if feels like shows have certain scenes planned and then build the rest around those scenes. That’s what it felt like in this season - “key” scenes of the Polin book, and then filler
i loved part 1, but you are making so much sense with blowing whistledown out of proportion! especially with all the big reactions and the actions(or words) of the column itself. i wish they kept it as neutral element instead of an overly-antagonistic one. they make being whistledown look so evil that honestly the only solution to any whistledown related conflicts would need Penelope to abandon her work...which okay that is fine but it would look weird since the julie andrews whistledown voice is half the appeal of the show. also imo the story honestly needs the lw columns to move the story forward a lot of times.
Moreover, i felt there was a lack of genuine polin interactions just like you. i just wanna see them flirt and be lovey dovey i do not need the hater eloise subplot. tl;dr why can't everybody just get along T.T
Oh I have unresolved vengeance for those who cut that library scene short in the 2nd season! Glad you brought it up. All they had to do was to have Anthony find Kate under the table during a thunderstorm just to realize how vulnerable that badass woman actually is to eventually falling for her. Instead we had four episodes of Anthony courting Edwina -_-
i think to much story about the side character than the main couple, colin and pen. they not even trying to digging more colin character. it's his season, they should make him as a main characther then the side one. even lady cowper had more scene than him :')
I also think that people say Colin feels flat because there is an imbalance between the two leads : Penelope has many plots attached to her (the Deblin one, the Colin one, the Eloise one, the LW one, the Cressida one, the family trials one) while Colin has nothing of consequences besides his romance with Penelope and a few scenes showing how toxic masculinity culture within the men of the ton pushed him to create that fake regency-frat-boy persona on to protect himself.
Even the diary scene didn't do much for him as a character because his insecurities as a writer are not shown or explored further. Someone who hasn't read the book would think he was embaraced that Pen read about his hookups.
Very well said!
I am hoping for romance and conversations between the two during their engagement. Seriously I swear 😡 colin needs to make up for lost time
yess, everything felt so rushed colin didnt even do anything to earn pens love. I was so annoyed especially with all the extra plots and even involving the mondrich family in this season for God knows what. Pens sisters were also so annoying, we didint even see Colin yearning and being jealous. I was so disappointed
@@NandiMyambo I am excited to see how the other characters react when Colin says he is marrying Pen.
Now I wonder if the drama is going to be because Eloise won’t want her marrying Colin because she knows she’s whistledown.
This why I thought they should have kept their matchmaking lessons going!!! It would bring them closer together and they could just vibe. And Colin could die a little inside every time he sees Penelope succeed off his advice. We never followed up on Colin’s writing!!! The writers are flopping real bad.
I totally felt bad for Lord Debling. He actually liked her and was good to her. Encouraged Penelope to be herself.
They should have avoided Benedict’s plot with that widow and put more polin in
What do you guys think about Colin finding out Pen is LW? We can see in the teaser that Eloise will give her time until midnight to confess or she'll tell Colin by herself.
Do you think Penelope will confess? I don't think she will because she will be terrified to lose him like she's lost Eloise.
I think he will be very angry and heartbroken but will get quickly over it.
Great review and your theory sounds highly possible that the bigwigs may have gotten involved. After watching S3 Part 1, I’ve been feeling so unsatisfied 😅 The series felt so…underwhelming. It was not robust enough to work as a standalone Part 1. I also could not understand why the characters who mattered were not getting the focus that they deserved-specifically Colin, Penelope and Lord Debling. Everything was supposed to be dramatic but oddly it all felt so muted. Nicola really sells the romance between her and Colin. I was not impressed by Luke and he really lacked the passion.
Thank you for your comments re the meddling of producers. A great reminder that writers get all the backlash, yet are pressured by studios/producers to incorporate notes.
I actually think it has nothing to do with higher ups at Netflix. Except for splitting the season bit. If you watch Shonda's other shows, you will notice similar things. They start out great and then they keep adding more and more drama until it becomes unbearable. Grey's anatomy? Scandal? How to get away with murder? For her, drama works. And i hate that. Season two was successful despite the changes so they just decided to focus on that and the superficial romance. Add to that a new showrunner and i think you get an answer as to why the new season just feels different and doesn't have the same magic. Splitting the season also didn't help at all.
Edit. Didn't Shonda compare Kate riding on a horse in season 2 when she met Anthony to a hooker? I think there is some general misunderstanding of some characters from her side. Maybe that also adds up to it.
I binged watched it last night. Stayed up until 4 in the morning. Felt terrible all day today. Was it worth it? I'm not sure. Yes, there are too many characters. I don't care about regency Regina George. Colin and Pen felt very rushed. There just wasn't enough build up. And I know they're gonna have sex in ep5. And Colin was only tormented by like half a day before it. He does not deserve that prize.
BRING BACK 20 SOMETHING EPISODES. This show needs filler episodes and more nuance.
at least more than 8. 13-15 would suffice more than this.
When Netflix used to have those M*rvel shows (they're not there anymore because the licensing expired and a certain mega corporation transferred the shows onto their platform instead), those shows were 13 episodes per season. I don't remember when/why we've done so much hard shifting to these shorter season when... if there's a larger cast of main characters IT OBJECTIVELY ISN'T ENOUGH 😆
Heck, even 10 episodes would have been better!
Listen I love the Mondrichs however I really didn’t need them taking up as much screen time as they have and I’m very confused as to what the need for their characters are. It’s similar to how I feel about Cressida, great that your expanding on this character(s) but why and what importance will this attention actually amount to?
Will there be any Bridgerton screen story that will top Szn 2 .Idk maybe Francesca's story 😮
I've not read the books so I have no idea what's meant to happen, but I feel like there was too much going on around them that I didn't feel any chemistry between them. I felt there was more between her and the other guy and that it could have been their storyline. Also I don't think it's spicy at all, it's pretty boring so far.
I hope you’re doing well with the foster kitties leaving; just know that you set them up for good lives and your kitty is probably happy that the interlopers are gone from her domain. But I am thinking about you and hoping you are doing well with this transition.
Second, apologies if I screwed up your analytics…I wanted to wait until I watched the season (because I didn’t take time off of work to watch when it dropped) and the first video started auto playing when I started RUclips Thursday morning, so I left it early. I clicked save to watch later hoping that would cancel out the leaving early 😬 But I love your channel and I rewatch many of your videos and you keep me company while I’m cooking and doing other household chores all the time 😊
I am so happy you read the book finally because I have been wanting to talk about some incorrect commentary that was previously provided to you (and I have seen elsewhere too, but I follow directions, so I waited until you said that you read the book to say anything) and I really hope you address in an upcoming video. But Penelope losing weight is not what made Colin finally notice her! She lost some of the weight between books 1 & 2 and then 10 years later they get together! And the man is obsessed with the fact that she is curvy! It was completely about growing maturity and confidence…if it was about the weight loss, they would have gotten together a lot sooner than they did.
Sorry so long! Can’t wait for your next one.😊
That was actually something I talked about with Josh Levy, in the interview shown in the Benedict Bridgerton video, in the full extended version of that interview he was saying that there are plenty of people in the audience that will want to "watch" shows by having them playing while they're doing things like folding laundry. Whether it's letting a video play on RUclips in the background, or an episode of a show, that still counts in the 'ratings' / 'analytics' of those shows and are totally valid! 😊✨
Of the many times we hear that the books were better, its no truer than with Bridgerton. Season 1 was close to the actual story but 2 went so far off the rails that I think they are just trying to find their way back to the books. Especially hard since they switched the order from the books and that matters a lot to the overall storylines of the show. Benedicts storyline of random hookups is off, she should be further along in his own path toward his to be wife and Francesca should leading into her actual storyline, her 2nd husband. They went so far in redirecting Kanthony that you can't really go back there. They also eliminated Edwina's role that did exist after Kantany got married.
I don't know if its the corporate influence that forces more drama but that this is Shonda Rimes MO. ALL of her shows do this and they all take decent storylines and blow them up with too much soap opera hysterics. A part of me thinks the show is brining down the level of sex on the show version to make it more palatable to foreign markets and that would definitely be at Netflix's urging but the over the sideways out of nowhere redirecting of storylines and sequences is pure Shonda.
I hope I'm not as disappointed with part 2 as I was with part 1.
Can anyone explain why there seems to be so much more advertising to this season, it just seems like there is more “press tours” and interviews even like magazine pictures with Luke and Nicola than any other season couple, I mean I feel like I barely saw stuff with Kate/anthony actors or Daphne/simon actors. Is it because it’s been 2yrs or it’s the most anticipated coupling or what?
You've made your point perfectly. I think you've finally answered my question of what happened with S2. Kate and Anthony are one of my favourite couples in the book series, but S2 was painful to watch, especially eps. 4, 5 and 6. The pining was fine, but at expense of poor Edwina was unacceptable. Using the poor girl as a barrier to keep the main couple away... Ugh. Hate that decision. And I also hate that I felt the book had so much banter and quips and barbs exchanged between the main couple. I wanted that feeling in S2! I didn't get it. Just this dragging of drama and pining to an ridiculous level. The book series was always fun and light for me, S2 was the furthest from that that I could think of. I even ended up resenting characters I generally like, like Eloise.
Penelope and Colin are another favourite couple, so I was excited to get their story early, but now I'm a little afraid. (I haven't seen part 1 and won't until part 2 comes along.) Francesca's story is also a fave and now I dread the time I have to see her story maimed in the altar of rich dudes who think they know better. It's always capitalism isn't it? *sigh*
Maybe someone else has already pointed this out, but I think they overdid the Lady Whistledown thing, because it's literally the show's narrator and a beloved one at that. They may be struggling with also having to kill off the narrator without Penelope. I've been waiting to see what they'll do here
i’ve accepted this is shonda fan fic and all my complaints went away when looking thru that lens bc it can be goofy
Not "Shonda fan fic" 😭😭😭
Not going to lie though I was VERY into Grey's Anatomy back in the day but I steadily lost interest after Cristina left. She was MY FAVOURITE. 🤭
The HTGAWM memes are also wild, the clips that people have used for social media reactions have me yelling- 😂😂😂
Omg the grease 2 clip
Was the giant poster not enough of a clue that I LOVE that movie? 🤭
5:06 Yeeeees!!!! I couldn't have said it better!
This is just the half..theres still 4 more episodes to go and by how the pace of part 1 was part 2 will also have a lotttt of things going on. For people complaining that s3 fell flat watch s1 and 2 again..the drama usually happens during the second half. I don't understand how people are already comparing and declaring s2 to be better than s3 while the season is not completely out yet!!! It's as if they were pre determined about shitting on this season lol
Also..for people whining about Colin not suffering enough or not deserving Pen because she suffered for 2 seasons..I still think this will be covered during ep 7 & 8. He always cared and loved Pen, he just didn't realise it and that's why he quickly realised how much she means to him as he felt lonely even after travelling but being with her made him so happy and he didn't have to pretend to be a charming guy. There's still a lot he doesn't know about Pen, the LW plot. He's going to fall in love with her harder after all that.
My point is don't be quick to jump on a hatewagon before the complete season is out !!
Not enough episodes, just no. I mind the ensemble casting and storyline, but need more episodes to do them justice not just half ass! Ugh, hope there’s a part 3 release for season 3 there just not enough. Colin did not grovel enough. Poor Benedict, where was his subplot or story? Too much or May be the episodes need to be longer idk, sorry for rambling….
5 stars for the no thoughts head empty frog, brilliant 🎉
I just need them to release the WHOLE SEASON and then I wouldn’t have soooo many questions!!!
The half/half model is soooooooooooo bad, if it was weekly it would be better for the well-being of the workers who make the show AND the audience would get a steady flow of story coming out at a consistent pace. Stewing for a month in which people are all left to nitpick details? IT'S NOT DOING THE STORY ANY FAVOURS. 😂
Hey lady jenevia
Love your channel I just recently started watching you. And I don't know if that's your real name or not but jenevia is such a pretty name
BTW There were villains in S1. The only reason Daphne was able to convince Simon (aside from saying she could deal with not having kids) to follow through was because she announced Cressida had seen them in the garden.
Even though this season focuses on Colin, Penelope & Francesca, I'm ready for a video on the limited Kate & Anthony highlights since they're my favourite couple. Just like Season 2, too much time is being used on side plots when the leads should be given more time.
My speculation is that the higher ups were scared of push back if there was a predominantly white cast for this season, considering that Bridgerton was initially advertised as a “Regency era drama series with color blind casting.” That would explain the additions of Violet’s romantic interest and elevating the Modrich family in rank. Otherwise, the only POC representation would be Lady Danbury, Kate (although she was only briefly there) Francesca’s love interests, and the Modrich family. These characters would have been considered sidelined in comparison to the main cast and Lady Danbury would fallen into the “sage black woman” trope.
One way they could've subverted that though would've been to also let Lady Danbury and Violet have scenes together, like in season 2 after the Anthony/Edwina wedding fell apart and the two of them just started cackling together? THAT WAS CUTE. It would show that Lady D isn't ONLY the lady who helps young girls trying to secure a match, she's a woman with her own life and friendships with other women. It would also reiterate that it's just a thing in the Bridgerton world that older women of all ethnicities who have already been married will work to help younger women in the ton do the same.
There you go!
All I want to know is if they are together at the end of the season.
I watched all of part one but I still feel like I only got a summary of things overall
Why would they in any world get engaged before he found out she is whisledown.
Also I know everyone is ragi g on the scene I think the cutesy stuff and seduction was this part I think part 2 is where the real heart to heart come in and the deep feelings colin becoming who he wants to be working through things with Pen is the next part which could be very very beautiful
This season should have been about accepting that some people will never love you and how to overcome and find happiness with someone else even if its not what you were expecting.