Would the simple answer be to place traffic signals at the intersection? That way you can control the flow of traffic at dismissal times, and the buses would be able to turn left without oncoming traffic.
They would say no to traffic signals because of the cost. You would have to catch them in a lie by monitoring the school police officers who are usually doing nothing at that time then show a video of them doing nothing and proposed placing an officer out there to direct them to go left then they couldn't say they didn't have any offices available. Once you show them videos of officers doing literally nothing they wouldn't have a leg to stand on and would have to acknowledge that they are just lying to you at that point. ;-)
@@jackhank2694 True, but technically, a traffic light would have nothing to do with the school board. It’d be the city or the county. Granted, they can be just as dense, but eventually they’ll cave.
In my town, when the buses need to leave, a crossing guard guy comes out and stops traffic and allows all of the buses to go at once. It inconveniences the people on the road for about 2 minutes, and everyone has learned to just take a different route if they're in a rush. Its easy, safe, the buses can turn any which way they want, and all the kids get home in a decent amount of time. Problem solved.
@@huntaaa4 In Kelso, WA we have traffic flaggers controlling the street to allow cars and buses to exit left or to cross. Intervals of street traffic build up for a couple minutes...not a problem as we all know this will happen at school end times. As a former school bus driver, I really appreciate that our local school district demonstrates that safety is paramount for all drivers. Students are, of course, our most valuable cargo.
Fuel costs for a full sized school bus with AC going 1 hour more then it should plus the extra labor costs of the school driver every day would be more then the labor costs of having someone be there to direct traffic. They need to spend money to save money.
We don't have the manpower to help them go left. Yet they literally have the manpower to stand there and tell them to turn right only. I don't know, seems like there might be some manpower that can do this.
I think the issue is that the person that tells them to go right is not stopping traffic to do that. The school does not have an employee that has the authority to stop traffic there to let the busses out to turn left. I like the idea of a crossing guard to do this, Maybe put signs up that state that during this time and this time traffic will stopped for the busses to leave school.
@@mctigger1 I think the issue is, that the person standing there is manpower and should be able to stop traffic for intervals of 20 seconds at a time to let the bus out.
Any margin of safety gained by avoiding one left turn is potentially lost through all the extra miles and minutes the buses then have to add to their trips.
Not to mention the extra cost for the school district in fuel prices. It shouldn’t cost a whole lot of money to get a couple of guys or gals into a neon leotard to go out and hold a stop sign to let these busses turn left. Hell, the teachers can do it if they’re willing to give that extra time for an agreement on extra money. Like half an hour’s extra wages every day. Assuming an hour’s pay is something like $40, that’s a welcome bonus for ensuring that every kid is safe. And I say half an hour because this is a middle school we’re talking about. There are two waves of busses (or there were for me) that each start at a Middle or High School, then the busses trade places with each other, and finally hit the road home.
They NEED to put a light there, or even if they do the school NEEDS to put a traffic flagger out there. As a school bus driver myself I would not only be threatening to walk out, but also threatening to talk other driver into doing the same. Now before anyone says that's a bit of an over-reaction (I agree it does sound bad) you need to understand. Most companies pay salary for daily runs. You only receive hourly pay for activity runs. Judging by the time difference discussed here. They have essentially cut those drivers hourly pay by half possibly by 2/3rds. Now imagine your boss came to you and said we're cutting your pay in half; would you stay???
The person out there making sure buses are going right can easily have stop sign in there hands to stop traffic so that buses can safely make left hand turns…. Or am I missing something??🙃🤣
They don't teach common sense anymore. It's not just the extra time for the kids, but think about the cost of all the extra fuel to drive the extra distance. They could save a lot of money even if they have to put up traffic lights to stop traffic to allow the busses to turn left.
My high school was located in such a location that required all buses to turn left onto the two lane road off the bus loop. A school guard would block traffic once all the buses were loaded up and ready to depart to assist with the buses safely turning left. It probably sucked for the roadway traffic to be stopped. But, in reality it wasn’t much longer than having to wait for a commuter train to pass a grade crossing.
But isn’t that what school crossing guards do,stop traffic so that children can get across the street safely,wouldn’t directing the school buses out to the right road be basically the same thing?
See directional RED lights at nearly every school and in most City regular traffic. Don't take a Rocket Scientist....Just someone with half a brain......Problem with traffic.....Oh Yeah..Put up a RED Light.
Is the school able to submit a request for DOT to review the intersection and install a traffic signal that operates when the buses are dismissed? This can be solved with a traffic signal.
They already have a person out there telling them to go right. Just put a stop sign in his hand and let the buses go left. Savings= time, fuel, wear and tear, driver wages.
@@aLgProduction It doesn't have to be. Over where I live there's a fire station with a stoplight when the trucks are leaving the station. When the trucks aren't leaving the light stays off.
Like, why can they just not stop traffic to let the busses leave and go whatever direction they need to. My school district growing up did this. A police office would get out there and stop all directions of traffic so all the busses could exit all at once and go in whichever direction they needed to in order to help get bussed kids home faster.
Absolutely ridiculous. I'm a bus driver in Saint Louis. We have a few "dangerous left turns" out of our schools. The school resource officers pull their police cruisers out to the entrance, and shut the intersection down for TEN MINUTES, so the busses can leave safely. How hard is that? 🤷♂️
Where I live in Ottawa Canada. After school ends, police officers or transit cops (some public transit buses are placed on school routes to help bring kids home) stop and control traffic for buses and parent to drop off and pick up their kids. Not every school does this, mostly the school with the highest bus traffic have dedicated traffic officers while most use resource officers. But still.
So let me get this straight. There is a guy in the intersection telling the busses to go right but yet, he cant hold traffic so the busses can turn left? Am I missing something here?
It’s understandable it’s not safe for them to turn left. A simple traffic light would suffice. I know you hear of plenty bus accidents throughout the whole country because of dangerous intersections. There are several things they can do to let the school buses pass through. A police officer a authorize guard, traffic light, even a different unloading and loading spot at the school. We had something similar to this at our school so what the school did was since the school was on the corner they had buses that would pick up and drop off kids at a different entrance at the school. It was messy but it worked.
If they can have someone out there to make sure the buses turn right then that person can also make sure it is safe for the buses to turn left. They are basically traffic control anyway so what's the problem here? simply that transportation has no clue what they are doing.
Lets see, you can pay one person to say right turn only but you can't pay him to lay out 4 cones to block traffic for the 5 minutes it takes to empty all the buses at once? If transportation is saying it isn't safe but they've been doing it all year and just stopped now, I'm thinking someone did something to piss transportation off. Find out what it is and you solve the problem.
"We don't have the manpower to have someone out there flagging traffic so that the buses can turn left." "Well, why not? "Because he's too busy being out there flagging the buses so they have to turn right, duh!!" America in a nutshell, folks.
In New York, the local police department is stationed at the the exit of some schools to help direct traffic, only during dismissal. They are on scene for maybe 30 minutes, there's no reason why one or two squad cars can't help these busses safely cross that intersection.
I lived in a rural area with a two hour round trip bus ride. It was exhausting. In the winter, I'd get on the bus 30 minutes before dawn hits and I'd get home 45 minutes before before it gets dark again but unlike these kids, my bus route didn't have a choice. Hopefully these people come up with a solution so these kids can have a better bus experience than I did.
@@SpclOps20 No, considering school closes whenever there's more than an inch of snow. I'm also miles away from school - I wouldn't make it there even if I left in the middle of the night. Even if I walked home, got even just 6 hours of sleep, and walked back to school - I would not make it. However, I did have to walk in 1.5 feet of snow in nothing but sketchers sneakers one time after work. There was so much snow that I could not get in my driveway. My driveway is about 2 blocks long so I parked at the bottom of the hill by the road and walked up in nothing but my cotton t-shirt work uniform, low ankle sneakers, and yoga pants. I was coated in a thin layer of ice and it even got in my shoes.
I too had to endure a long bus ride. One of the first picked up & last dropped off. It was brutal, but same as you, it wasn't something like this, where it's a matter of not going in certain directions. It's unnecessary to make any bus ride longer than it needs to be for kids. The school day is long enough & if left turns can get them home sooner, they need to jump on that.
I also had a long bus ride and guess what, it didn’t kill us. These kids will be okay, it’s a more things in life to be concerned about then a 50 min bus ride. I see why kids want everything now and can’t wate.
I'd like to further express that in my senior year, I was accepted to a trade school that partners with the local high schools. Every day for that semester, I would take my one hour bus ride to school and immediately take another 45 minute bus ride to the trade school and study for two periods. Then I would take another 45 minute ride back to my main school for 4th period before going home on another hour ride. Total, I was on the bus 3.5 hours, 5 days per week, for an entire semester. The high school I went to was out in the boonies compared to the other high schools.
This situation is clearly something political. Someone pissed off someone at city hall. This whole thing doesn't make sense, especially with fuel cost as high as they are.
Totally agree with this. We have weird sh-t like this happen all the time in my area. It’s always these rich a holes that do nothing better than to mess with another city’s legislation on the roads, to cause traffic and mayhem just out of spite. It’s so frustrating to witness.
I can see their concern about busses making left turns. I would suspect that there might have been a close call and this is all just a major "knee jerk" reaction. It's possible that there has been a lot of debate about this before things were change. I wonder if anyone has considered which would be the lesser of two evils. Making the left turn or almost double the time on the road.
WTH can't we just have a cop there to direct traffic for 20-30 minutes to alleviate the problem? I never thought USA would succumb to this level of being able to use common sense to resolve an issue. It's what this country was built on finding solutions not passing the buck?
Most areas have figured this sort of thing out. I've seen and been around multiple districts that have complicated road situations that make dismissal difficult. 1 of them has a traffic light at the intersection and a school administrator directing traffic in the parking lot, keeping the buses flowing when the light changes in their favor. Another has an officer wait at the front of the bus line, and when the buses roll, they block traffic at the intersection. These are in both city and more rural environments. Clearly, there is some local government dysfunction if they can't figure out some solution.
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, sitting there waving the buses to the right, when you could just wear a work vest and hold up a stop sign 🤔
Normally a school administrator or SRO would be present to stop traffic on both sides to allow the buses to turn either left or right depending on their route. At least that’s how it was when I was in school. No stop signs or controversy, just one person stopping traffic for all of maybe 2-3 minutes to let the buses leave. It doesn’t take that long or that much work to do.
I agree! That is what they do at our school they stop the traffic for few mins! So the buses can turn left out of the school. We have 3 buses that do that.
That's better than how it was when I was in school. They just let the busses pull into the street, and if your in a car, good luck. It was a big yellow tsunami of gtf out my way.
When I go to church the cops stop traffic on the busy road to let parishioners get out of the parking lot. Where are your cops? The gas savings alone should be able to pay for a crossing guard. Some parents might even volunteer. Are you afraid of reckless drivers? Then you need more cops.
My bus route was an hour and a half one way. I got on the bus at 7:30 am, got to school at 9. Got on again at 3:30 pm, got home at 5, on non sports nights. I was so tired that I would collapse on my bed the second I got through my bedroom door. There were many nights where I missed dinner because I just wouldn't wake up.
Finally a good decent principal that advocates for his students and their parents often times the principal doesn’t do that and sides with the district. This principal is a great ally for those kids and parents
I literally had a 1.5 hour bus ride to school and 1.5 hour back growing up.. we’d leave at like 6:30am and start school around 8:15-8:30. Then get out of school about 3 and get home 4:30 ish. It wasn’t that big a deal. Then again, our school was actually that far away, and not just simply because of a single turn I guess.
I remember waiting for the bus around 6:20-6:30am and not getting to school until 7:30am when I lived 8 miles from the school. I wasn't even the first stop! the bus was always half full when I got on in the morning. Same with the ride home, it took an hour or so and the bus was half full when I was dropped back off at home.
The buses can go out the back of the school grounds by the soccer fields and take a right onto Vista Park Blvd, where there is a red light at the intersection of Vista Park Blvd and Bonaventure Blvd.
I love how the simplest things suddenly become rocket science. Traffic is obviously disrupted for buses going right (tight turns means they’re briefly using 2 lanes) and yet, after crossing the median, buses going left only need the ONE LANE making that turn but would still stop that second left turn lane for safety. Two vested people would stand in both directional lanes to stop traffic for a few minutes while buses enter or leave. A teacher or someone from the admin office can’t direct traffic for 10 minutes (other schools do), a parent volunteer? Question: when school is in session and parents or others visiting the school, do they manage to make a left turn? There is a break in the median so something in either direction must be able to do so and buses can’t why??!!? Oh, let us guess, the left lane is “entitled” and “special “ so it can’t be interrupted!
My school had a school crossing only for and only the busses could turn left. There was a staff member every day there to watch over and assist the traffic. Some schools even had an officer do it when they didn’t have staff
Oh, PLEASE! School transportation is a privilege. I had to sit on a bus for 1.5 hours+ even though if I drove myself I would be there in ten minutes. Get over yourselves!
I grew up in a small town in the country and I was the first one on and the last one off I was on the bus for 1 hour every day. Heat or cold. I turned out just fine
There are a lot of people in the comments offering really good solutions and that's the problem they're really good solutions. Next problem. I wonder if people who spend all day at work and then come out to their car to go home in States like Florida, would they be willing to ride all the way home in their car with their AC turned off? If the answer is no, then why do school kids after spending all day at school have to come out and ride all the way home on a School bus that doesn't even have air conditioning. I wonder how many times people have been ticketed and or arrested for leaving their kids in a car on a hot day with no AC running. If it's too hot for kids to be in a car without any AC then it's too hot for them to be in a School bus without any AC.
Oh no! An hour on the bus! My other kid has ballet! Blah blah blah, entitlement, entitlement, blah blah. But of course the keyboard warriors know best! Probably never even been to that town... Like.... Does anyone care about why this rule came to be? Is this a higher accident zone? They said it was a safety issue! But all the entitled parents care about.... Ballet! 🤔
Just make 3 super tight right turns out of the school Don't have the personal to direct traffic but got a guy to direct the school busses? Guess the 2+2=5 just ain't sinking in.
In transportation logistics we've been practicing this for years. It's just a way to flow efficiency to decrease congestion and accidents. Preventative accidents are a major expense so adding that time is worth it on paper.
These people are spoiled, compared to what I had to deal with growing up. When I went to elementary (& middle) school, I lived at the end of an island, we were the first to be picked up and last to get off. It was over an hour in both directions due to that (unlike the people at the beginning of the island who spend the least amount of time in both directions) and we had to go to the school which was further than the closest elementary school due to how the routes were divide up.
When I was in school, the parents of the kids out on back country roads, where the bus drops off individual kids off in front of their house, didn’t think it was fair their kids had to wait an hr and a half, and the kids that lived close that got dropped off in cluster that had to walk got dropped off sooner, so the buses drove to the very end of the route and did it back wards, passing stops along the way and kids like me 45 min walk and 10 min bus ride sat on a hot bus for an hr and a half, we ended up just walking the 45 min
wow... my former school did something I havent seen others done. and I bet there may be a couple that do it. but my school's transportation company had busses for many schools. I think there was 2 districts of busses parked there. the schools got out at different times so usually when it came to my school, being first few out, a bus heading out to go to one of the schools further away would deploy its stop paddle and activate its lights to stop traffic to let the busses out. it worked reasonably well. maybe if you cant sit there and "hire" someone to do traffic patrol for your busses to ensure their safety, use what you have, like idk, the busses themselves to help ensure their safety. busses are practically traffic lights on wheels in a way. if you need to use them to stop traffic for the other busses to ensure safety, use them. they are meant to keep our kids safe. use them to your advantage to ensure their safety.
Where I am drivers could get into a lot of trouble doing something like this. Those lights and stop arm are only loading and unloading children. But lol. Seems like something they might do
Have a guard stand in the street for 2 minutes hold all the traffic while the busses depart. My district does this so why can't this district do this. Some other districts have stop lights similar to that of a firehouse stop light that flashes yellow only going red when a button is hit.
way it always worked in my district is every school had a crossing guard at each exit/enterance to allow the busses to get on their way then regular traffic. it worked well for us, kept stuff like that feom happening, but iveont know ehat the state of the financial situation and such is for this district
Ok but it also blows my mind that the roads could be so bad in this town that a single turn can double a commute time. Like, there has to be somewhere you could loop around and get back on your original route in like 5 minutes, right? Am I missing something here or is this city just really poorly planned?
After turning right onto Bonaventure, the road immediately crosses a canal then merges with Griffin Boulevard at a T-intersection, where the only option for a wide vehicle is to turn left or right. Most likely the buses are turning left onto Griffin, which runs parallel to a canal on the left with no bridges to turn back towards the north until Weston Road, aka the road where every goddam business in town is located, hence a lot of lights. Combine that with school car traffic and early rush hour and what Google claims to be a three-minute detour without traffic turns into a twenty-minute detour.
We are 50 miles further north where bus drivers do make left hand turns causing frequent accidents. The roads are not wide enough for buses of this size. I wonder when the school districts will learn?
I remember when I was in school I got to the bus around 6:45-7 am and got to school at 8 a, I always thought this was normal, and the school I went to was a 10 minute walk from the house.
Its fun when you see it on google maps and literally the next intersection already has a traffic light with dedicated left turn arrow... Almost as if they were already using it before the stupid change.
Would the simple answer be to place traffic signals at the intersection? That way you can control the flow of traffic at dismissal times, and the buses would be able to turn left without oncoming traffic.
Your absolutely right!This is absolutely ridiculous!
They would say no to traffic signals because of the cost. You would have to catch them in a lie by monitoring the school police officers who are usually doing nothing at that time then show a video of them doing nothing and proposed placing an officer out there to direct them to go left then they couldn't say they didn't have any offices available. Once you show them videos of officers doing literally nothing they wouldn't have a leg to stand on and would have to acknowledge that they are just lying to you at that point. ;-)
@@jackhank2694 True, but wouldn’t the traffic lights be cheaper than having a cop directing traffic? They’d also be more efficient.
@@reynoldrosa Long-term yes, but governmental systems like the school district does not function on rationale ideological views.
@@jackhank2694 True, but technically, a traffic light would have nothing to do with the school board. It’d be the city or the county. Granted, they can be just as dense, but eventually they’ll cave.
In my town, when the buses need to leave, a crossing guard guy comes out and stops traffic and allows all of the buses to go at once. It inconveniences the people on the road for about 2 minutes, and everyone has learned to just take a different route if they're in a rush. Its easy, safe, the buses can turn any which way they want, and all the kids get home in a decent amount of time. Problem solved.
same all around me . i thought it was everywhere
@@huntaaa4 In Kelso, WA we have traffic flaggers controlling the street to allow cars and buses to exit left or to cross. Intervals of street traffic build up for a couple minutes...not a problem as we all know this will happen at school end times. As a former school bus driver, I really appreciate that our local school district demonstrates that safety is paramount for all drivers. Students are, of course, our most valuable cargo.
Would save fuel costs, too.
That’s basically what I said.
Fuel costs for a full sized school bus with AC going 1 hour more then it should plus the extra labor costs of the school driver every day would be more then the labor costs of having someone be there to direct traffic. They need to spend money to save money.
We don't have the manpower to help them go left.
Yet they literally have the manpower to stand there and tell them to turn right only.
I don't know, seems like there might be some manpower that can do this.
Exactly!!!
Ive seen teachers become crossguards for lile 30min after school. Heck put a janitor out there who gets paid hourly
I think the issue is that the person that tells them to go right is not stopping traffic to do that. The school does not have an employee that has the authority to stop traffic there to let the busses out to turn left.
I like the idea of a crossing guard to do this, Maybe put signs up that state that during this time and this time traffic will stopped for the busses to leave school.
@@mctigger1 I think the issue is, that the person standing there is manpower and should be able to stop traffic for intervals of 20 seconds at a time to let the bus out.
Any margin of safety gained by avoiding one left turn is potentially lost through all the extra miles and minutes the buses then have to add to their trips.
stop you are using your brain you cant do that you will scare the officials who think they are smart
Not to mention the extra cost for the school district in fuel prices. It shouldn’t cost a whole lot of money to get a couple of guys or gals into a neon leotard to go out and hold a stop sign to let these busses turn left. Hell, the teachers can do it if they’re willing to give that extra time for an agreement on extra money. Like half an hour’s extra wages every day. Assuming an hour’s pay is something like $40, that’s a welcome bonus for ensuring that every kid is safe. And I say half an hour because this is a middle school we’re talking about. There are two waves of busses (or there were for me) that each start at a Middle or High School, then the busses trade places with each other, and finally hit the road home.
They NEED to put a light there, or even if they do the school NEEDS to put a traffic flagger out there. As a school bus driver myself I would not only be threatening to walk out, but also threatening to talk other driver into doing the same. Now before anyone says that's a bit of an over-reaction (I agree it does sound bad) you need to understand. Most companies pay salary for daily runs. You only receive hourly pay for activity runs. Judging by the time difference discussed here. They have essentially cut those drivers hourly pay by half possibly by 2/3rds. Now imagine your boss came to you and said we're cutting your pay in half; would you stay???
The person out there making sure buses are going right can easily have stop sign in there hands to stop traffic so that buses can safely make left hand turns…. Or am I missing something??🙃🤣
Great point!
Yes. This is too easy.
I was thinkin the same thang, with an added officer with flashing lights for anybody who wanted to take a chance and get a ticket
That would be logical
They don't teach common sense anymore. It's not just the extra time for the kids, but think about the cost of all the extra fuel to drive the extra distance. They could save a lot of money even if they have to put up traffic lights to stop traffic to allow the busses to turn left.
My high school was located in such a location that required all buses to turn left onto the two lane road off the bus loop. A school guard would block traffic once all the buses were loaded up and ready to depart to assist with the buses safely turning left. It probably sucked for the roadway traffic to be stopped. But, in reality it wasn’t much longer than having to wait for a commuter train to pass a grade crossing.
Good idea
Not legal to block traffic unless it’s a cop
But isn’t that what school crossing guards do,stop traffic so that children can get across the street safely,wouldn’t directing the school buses out to the right road be basically the same thing?
See directional RED lights at nearly every school and in most City regular traffic.
Don't take a Rocket Scientist....Just someone with half a brain......Problem with traffic.....Oh Yeah..Put up a RED Light.
What are you talking about? I’ve never heard of those before.
Is the school able to submit a request for DOT to review the intersection and install a traffic signal that operates when the buses are dismissed? This can be solved with a traffic signal.
It dosen't seem to be a intersection
Which will take years because they have to do a study first
a traffic guard would do better
They already have a person out there telling them to go right. Just put a stop sign in his hand and let the buses go left. Savings= time, fuel, wear and tear, driver wages.
@@aLgProduction It doesn't have to be. Over where I live there's a fire station with a stoplight when the trucks are leaving the station. When the trucks aren't leaving the light stays off.
Like, why can they just not stop traffic to let the busses leave and go whatever direction they need to. My school district growing up did this. A police office would get out there and stop all directions of traffic so all the busses could exit all at once and go in whichever direction they needed to in order to help get bussed kids home faster.
Just put up directional RED LIGHTS.
Nearly every school in the USA has them.
They could, they just wanna make life difficult for whatever reason.
@@gretafortenberry5285 none of the ones in my town or the surrounding towns or cities have them. I am in Maine
they don’t do that at schools anymore?
my school does that
Just put a three way traffic light. This will allow the buses to turn left and keep the flow of traffic steady. It's not that difficult!!!
Absolutely ridiculous. I'm a bus driver in Saint Louis. We have a few "dangerous left turns" out of our schools. The school resource officers pull their police cruisers out to the entrance, and shut the intersection down for TEN MINUTES, so the busses can leave safely.
How hard is that? 🤷♂️
Where I live in Ottawa Canada. After school ends, police officers or transit cops (some public transit buses are placed on school routes to help bring kids home) stop and control traffic for buses and parent to drop off and pick up their kids. Not every school does this, mostly the school with the highest bus traffic have dedicated traffic officers while most use resource officers. But still.
I guess thinking is too hard for them.
So let me get this straight. There is a guy in the intersection telling the busses to go right but yet, he cant hold traffic so the busses can turn left? Am I missing something here?
It’s understandable it’s not safe for them to turn left. A simple traffic light would suffice. I know you hear of plenty bus accidents throughout the whole country because of dangerous intersections. There are several things they can do to let the school buses pass through. A police officer a authorize guard, traffic light, even a different unloading and loading spot at the school. We had something similar to this at our school so what the school did was since the school was on the corner they had buses that would pick up and drop off kids at a different entrance at the school. It was messy but it worked.
it's very safe for a bus to turn left
If they can have someone out there to make sure the buses turn right then that person can also make sure it is safe for the buses to turn left. They are basically traffic control anyway so what's the problem here? simply that transportation has no clue what they are doing.
Lets see, you can pay one person to say right turn only but you can't pay him to lay out 4 cones to block traffic for the 5 minutes it takes to empty all the buses at once? If transportation is saying it isn't safe but they've been doing it all year and just stopped now, I'm thinking someone did something to piss transportation off. Find out what it is and you solve the problem.
The amount of extra danger traveling an extra 40 miniutes is far higher than the left turn
"We don't have the manpower to have someone out there flagging traffic so that the buses can turn left."
"Well, why not?
"Because he's too busy being out there flagging the buses so they have to turn right, duh!!"
America in a nutshell, folks.
In New York, the local police department is stationed at the the exit of some schools to help direct traffic, only during dismissal. They are on scene for maybe 30 minutes, there's no reason why one or two squad cars can't help these busses safely cross that intersection.
Give that person directing the buses to go right a stop sign to stop the traffic so that the buses can make a left turn
That would make way too much sense.
I lived in a rural area with a two hour round trip bus ride. It was exhausting. In the winter, I'd get on the bus 30 minutes before dawn hits and I'd get home 45 minutes before before it gets dark again but unlike these kids, my bus route didn't have a choice.
Hopefully these people come up with a solution so these kids can have a better bus experience than I did.
*@Coolkc456 - Did you ever walk to school barefoot in the snow, uphill, both ways?* 🤣
@@SpclOps20 No, considering school closes whenever there's more than an inch of snow. I'm also miles away from school - I wouldn't make it there even if I left in the middle of the night. Even if I walked home, got even just 6 hours of sleep, and walked back to school - I would not make it.
However, I did have to walk in 1.5 feet of snow in nothing but sketchers sneakers one time after work. There was so much snow that I could not get in my driveway. My driveway is about 2 blocks long so I parked at the bottom of the hill by the road and walked up in nothing but my cotton t-shirt work uniform, low ankle sneakers, and yoga pants. I was coated in a thin layer of ice and it even got in my shoes.
I too had to endure a long bus ride. One of the first picked up & last dropped off. It was brutal, but same as you, it wasn't something like this, where it's a matter of not going in certain directions. It's unnecessary to make any bus ride longer than it needs to be for kids. The school day is long enough & if left turns can get them home sooner, they need to jump on that.
I also had a long bus ride and guess what, it didn’t kill us. These kids will be okay, it’s a more things in life to be concerned about then a 50 min bus ride. I see why kids want everything now and can’t wate.
I'd like to further express that in my senior year, I was accepted to a trade school that partners with the local high schools. Every day for that semester, I would take my one hour bus ride to school and immediately take another 45 minute bus ride to the trade school and study for two periods. Then I would take another 45 minute ride back to my main school for 4th period before going home on another hour ride. Total, I was on the bus 3.5 hours, 5 days per week, for an entire semester. The high school I went to was out in the boonies compared to the other high schools.
This situation is clearly something political. Someone pissed off someone at city hall. This whole thing doesn't make sense, especially with fuel cost as high as they are.
Not everything is political gosh.
Totally agree with this. We have weird sh-t like this happen all the time in my area. It’s always these rich a holes that do nothing better than to mess with another city’s legislation on the roads, to cause traffic and mayhem just out of spite. It’s so frustrating to witness.
@@LegendaryRod something can be political without it being a red vs blue situation. you never heard the term 'office politics' before lol
My bus ride home in elementary school was over two hours. 50 mins would have been sweet!
If our streets were laid out in a grid instead of the curvilinear suburban street patterns, all the bus would need to do is three right turns.
I can see their concern about busses making left turns. I would suspect that there might have been a close call and this is all just a major "knee jerk" reaction. It's possible that there has been a lot of debate about this before things were change. I wonder if anyone has considered which would be the lesser of two evils. Making the left turn or almost double the time on the road.
Office very sorry about
WTH can't we just have a cop there to direct traffic for 20-30 minutes to alleviate the problem? I never thought USA would succumb to this level of being able to use common sense to resolve an issue. It's what this country was built on finding solutions not passing the buck?
LIGHT. But now we have a bunch of Woke Idiots who can spell RED LIGHT so they figure best to just inconvenience the students and parents.
Idiots.
Most areas have figured this sort of thing out. I've seen and been around multiple districts that have complicated road situations that make dismissal difficult. 1 of them has a traffic light at the intersection and a school administrator directing traffic in the parking lot, keeping the buses flowing when the light changes in their favor. Another has an officer wait at the front of the bus line, and when the buses roll, they block traffic at the intersection. These are in both city and more rural environments. Clearly, there is some local government dysfunction if they can't figure out some solution.
Here in the real south we stay on the bus for like an hour and a half
Diesel prices are way too high for this kind of nonsense. Give that guy a stop sign so he stop traffic & let the buses go left
propane buses
Then go and pick em up....
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, sitting there waving the buses to the right, when you could just wear a work vest and hold up a stop sign 🤔
Watching from Altoona, PA!
Normally a school administrator or SRO would be present to stop traffic on both sides to allow the buses to turn either left or right depending on their route. At least that’s how it was when I was in school.
No stop signs or controversy, just one person stopping traffic for all of maybe 2-3 minutes to let the buses leave. It doesn’t take that long or that much work to do.
I agree! That is what they do at our school they stop the traffic for few mins! So the buses can turn left out of the school. We have 3 buses that do that.
Technically not legal to do that nor safe
That's better than how it was when I was in school. They just let the busses pull into the street, and if your in a car, good luck. It was a big yellow tsunami of gtf out my way.
“Don’t have the manpower”. Not even for 15 minutes you don’t have an officer who can do this task?
They already do. It's the guy they hired telling people to go right.
Load ALL the busses and have crossing guards stop traffic for 3 minutes while all the busses leave
Could be worse your kids might not come home at all in this country.
That's rediculous have someone out there to help the busses get across when leaving.
When I was in school it was normal to be on the bus for 2 hours unless you lived really close to the school
I thought you didn't have a normal childhood and was traveling the country with your four brothers performing on stage!
@@KevinSmith-fw5tb you could have found a better joke. With a name like mine its just to easy.
Yes but your bus was a horse drawn carriage
@@user-cs3zs6jn1d r u kidding me?
When was in school, I had to walk uphill both ways!
it takes 1 person to direct traffic
Omg my friend and I were laughing at you guys because we saw you filming 😭
Stay in school kid. Stop spending your life on TikTok and hit the books. 👍
@@rmonomer what does that have to do with me-
When I go to church the cops stop traffic on the busy road to let parishioners get out of the parking lot. Where are your cops? The gas savings alone should be able to pay for a crossing guard. Some parents might even volunteer. Are you afraid of reckless drivers? Then you need more cops.
Left turns are my driving weakness too. Unless there is a light.
My bus route was an hour and a half one way. I got on the bus at 7:30 am, got to school at 9. Got on again at 3:30 pm, got home at 5, on non sports nights. I was so tired that I would collapse on my bed the second I got through my bedroom door. There were many nights where I missed dinner because I just wouldn't wake up.
@creampieherinsides wow you have no idea what you are talking about…. Get smarter
creampieherinsides yea I agree some kids out in the countryside have routes longer then this.
I get it sucks but
creampieherinsides and imagine getting on as early as 5 even 4 something
Ya I was the first one on and last one off. 2 hours on a school bus a day for 7 school years.
That's so messed up! Hope they can fix this before school comes back in the fall!
Pick your kids up if your home doing nothing anyway
I was confused... like you're home; pick them up
FWP. They would rather complain about the shortcomings of a publicly funded service, rather than work around the problem.
Perhaps many parents are working, from their homes, or from anywhere.
Did this lady just watch the princess bride!?!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dear God. I come from West Virginia. A 45 minute ride was normal there.🤷♀️
However, I totally understand the frustration as a parent.
I've had many schools with an hour commute or longer. Kind of surprised that the news cares about that.
Finally a good decent principal that advocates for his students and their parents often times the principal doesn’t do that and sides with the district. This principal is a great ally for those kids and parents
Kinda like your supervisors or next level management usually siding with either the upper management or the employees..
What's the reason they can't turn left
Ridiculous as all hell
Stop this insanity immediately
I literally had a 1.5 hour bus ride to school and 1.5 hour back growing up.. we’d leave at like 6:30am and start school around 8:15-8:30. Then get out of school about 3 and get home 4:30 ish. It wasn’t that big a deal. Then again, our school was actually that far away, and not just simply because of a single turn I guess.
Me too. By my school is from 8:00 till 4:55 and I would be home at 6:45
Dear parents.
Go pick up your kids then if you are upset. Its not the the end of the world..
I remember waiting for the bus around 6:20-6:30am and not getting to school until 7:30am when I lived 8 miles from the school. I wasn't even the first stop! the bus was always half full when I got on in the morning. Same with the ride home, it took an hour or so and the bus was half full when I was dropped back off at home.
The buses can go out the back of the school grounds by the soccer fields and take a right onto Vista Park Blvd, where there is a red light at the intersection of Vista Park Blvd and Bonaventure Blvd.
@1:50 the principal spell buses wrong..... THE PRINCIPLE!! 😂 😂 😂
When I was a kid I had to walk uphill both ways, to and from school 5 miles in knee deep snow...
They still do that on school bus routes smh back in the day in the 90s and 2000s it happened like this too
Put a traffic light then!
Meanwhile in some third world country 20 kids are sharing one bowl of rice
Dude I was there I was yelling out the window "COACH ROB! LET US LEAVE WALKING!"
Lol @ "it's inconceivable"
Conceive it, lady.
I love how the simplest things suddenly become rocket science. Traffic is obviously disrupted for buses going right (tight turns means they’re briefly using 2 lanes) and yet, after crossing the median, buses going left only need the ONE LANE making that turn but would still stop that second left turn lane for safety. Two vested people would stand in both directional lanes to stop traffic for a few minutes while buses enter or leave. A teacher or someone from the admin office can’t direct traffic for 10 minutes (other schools do), a parent volunteer?
Question: when school is in session and parents or others visiting the school, do they manage to make a left turn? There is a break in the median so something in either direction must be able to do so and buses can’t why??!!?
Oh, let us guess, the left lane is “entitled” and “special “ so it can’t be interrupted!
and the lawsuit when someone's kid is injured will bankrupt the school district.
welcome to 'murica. truly a bizarro land.
Little girl missed dancing competition crying
My school had a school crossing only for and only the busses could turn left. There was a staff member every day there to watch over and assist the traffic. Some schools even had an officer do it when they didn’t have staff
Growing up my bus ride was always over an hour each way. I had no idea it was do detrimental to people
"Overabundance of caution." By words of most school districts.
Oh, PLEASE! School transportation is a privilege. I had to sit on a bus for 1.5 hours+ even though if I drove myself I would be there in ten minutes. Get over yourselves!
"I had to have an unnecessarily long commute, so everyone else has to"
I grew up in a small town in the country and I was the first one on and the last one off I was on the bus for 1 hour every day. Heat or cold. I turned out just fine
There are a lot of people in the comments offering really good solutions and that's the problem they're really good solutions.
Next problem. I wonder if people who spend all day at work and then come out to their car to go home in States like Florida, would they be willing to ride all the way home in their car with their AC turned off?
If the answer is no, then why do school kids after spending all day at school have to come out and ride all the way home on a School bus that doesn't even have air conditioning.
I wonder how many times people have been ticketed and or arrested for leaving their kids in a car on a hot day with no AC running. If it's too hot for kids to be in a car without any AC then it's too hot for them to be in a School bus without any AC.
My high school bus had AC and it was not some state of the art model probably made 20 years ago now.
Easy fix. My kids school closes the street during dismissal. So normal traffic has to go a different route. Busses can turn whichever way they please.
Remember the episode of married with children when Peggy sells Al's magazines has to buy them back wrecks the car and it doesn't turn left anymore 😂
Yes
Oh no! An hour on the bus! My other kid has ballet!
Blah blah blah, entitlement, entitlement, blah blah.
But of course the keyboard warriors know best! Probably never even been to that town...
Like.... Does anyone care about why this rule came to be? Is this a higher accident zone? They said it was a safety issue! But all the entitled parents care about.... Ballet! 🤔
Just make 3 super tight right turns out of the school
Don't have the personal to direct traffic but got a guy to direct the school busses? Guess the 2+2=5 just ain't sinking in.
Can you imagine picking up YOUR own children from school? 🤦♂️ What a concept.
Put a stop light up. Many schools have stop lights when exiting the parking lot area
In transportation logistics we've been practicing this for years. It's just a way to flow efficiency to decrease congestion and accidents. Preventative accidents are a major expense so adding that time is worth it on paper.
These people are spoiled, compared to what I had to deal with growing up. When I went to elementary (& middle) school, I lived at the end of an island, we were the first to be picked up and last to get off. It was over an hour in both directions due to that (unlike the people at the beginning of the island who spend the least amount of time in both directions) and we had to go to the school which was further than the closest elementary school due to how the routes were divide up.
When I was in school, the parents of the kids out on back country roads, where the bus drops off individual kids off in front of their house, didn’t think it was fair their kids had to wait an hr and a half, and the kids that lived close that got dropped off in cluster that had to walk got dropped off sooner, so the buses drove to the very end of the route and did it back wards, passing stops along the way and kids like me 45 min walk and 10 min bus ride sat on a hot bus for an hr and a half, we ended up just walking the 45 min
wow... my former school did something I havent seen others done. and I bet there may be a couple that do it. but my school's transportation company had busses for many schools. I think there was 2 districts of busses parked there. the schools got out at different times so usually when it came to my school, being first few out, a bus heading out to go to one of the schools further away would deploy its stop paddle and activate its lights to stop traffic to let the busses out. it worked reasonably well. maybe if you cant sit there and "hire" someone to do traffic patrol for your busses to ensure their safety, use what you have, like idk, the busses themselves to help ensure their safety. busses are practically traffic lights on wheels in a way. if you need to use them to stop traffic for the other busses to ensure safety, use them. they are meant to keep our kids safe. use them to your advantage to ensure their safety.
Where I am drivers could get into a lot of trouble doing something like this. Those lights and stop arm are only loading and unloading children.
But lol. Seems like something they might do
Have a guard stand in the street for 2 minutes hold all the traffic while the busses depart. My district does this so why can't this district do this. Some other districts have stop lights similar to that of a firehouse stop light that flashes yellow only going red when a button is hit.
way it always worked in my district is every school had a crossing guard at each exit/enterance to allow the busses to get on their way then regular traffic. it worked well for us, kept stuff like that feom happening, but iveont know ehat the state of the financial situation and such is for this district
My bus ride was about an hour and fifteen minutes. Without traffic. Made for great nap times.
They can’t do a U Turn ?
I just saw a teacher and student died in a bus crash after UTurn
my school has a cop that blocks all traffic so everyone can leave and not wait for traffic
You have to love the incompetence of government.
Wow...
First world city kid problems.
Free school, with transportation (albeit tax supported).
Where I live they often have law enforcement helping guide traffic properly so these things are avoidable
Rather be safe than sorry
Our "leaders" have all gone mad! People, in general, are getting very tired of this crap!
Ok but it also blows my mind that the roads could be so bad in this town that a single turn can double a commute time. Like, there has to be somewhere you could loop around and get back on your original route in like 5 minutes, right? Am I missing something here or is this city just really poorly planned?
After turning right onto Bonaventure, the road immediately crosses a canal then merges with Griffin Boulevard at a T-intersection, where the only option for a wide vehicle is to turn left or right. Most likely the buses are turning left onto Griffin, which runs parallel to a canal on the left with no bridges to turn back towards the north until Weston Road, aka the road where every goddam business in town is located, hence a lot of lights. Combine that with school car traffic and early rush hour and what Google claims to be a three-minute detour without traffic turns into a twenty-minute detour.
Good example of security theater
We are 50 miles further north where bus drivers do make left hand turns causing frequent accidents. The roads are not wide enough for buses of this size. I wonder when the school districts will learn?
I remember when I was in school I got to the bus around 6:45-7 am and got to school at 8 a, I always thought this was normal, and the school I went to was a 10 minute walk from the house.
Oh boo boo all the parents complaining would be the first to file a lawsuit if the bus got hit
Its fun when you see it on google maps and literally the next intersection already has a traffic light with dedicated left turn arrow... Almost as if they were already using it before the stupid change.
Ahhhh. Broward County. Explains it all.
Welcome to public transportation.
I get an extra hour of peace a day?? Yippie!!!!!!
at my school the police shut down all traffic at a certain time everyday to let the busses turn. Similar intersection