Wasteland 2 vs Wasteland 3: A Duoreview

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  • Опубликовано: 9 янв 2025

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  • @Vagran
    @Vagran 6 месяцев назад +9

    W3 gang rise up!
    RUclips needs more essays/retrospectives about Wasteland 3.

  • @AnonymousWerewolf
    @AnonymousWerewolf Месяц назад +2

    I want to add since I'm really enjoying this duoreview, the premade rangers in 3 also have unique dialogue and equipment, I haven't replayed 2 in awhile so I haven't checked if the premades had unique starting equipment like the ones in 3 do. Depending on the duo you pick in 3, these unique pieces of equipment can be mental. The Young Punks Bronco and Kickboy, have probably the best starting equipment as they get two unique accessories; one that boosts crit chance by 10%, which I believe is the highest single crit chance increase in the game, barring I believe one other equipment item (or in conjunction with it), and the other boosts your strike rate by 4%, which is not that terrible all things considered for accessory slots from the start of the game.
    Edit: They don't get a tonne of responses to characters in-game, but they get unique dialogue in party banter, especially between their duo.

    • @Phe0niz
      @Phe0niz  Месяц назад

      They do not have any in 2, my first run I was scared of character creation, so I ran it with Big Bert, Hex, Fade, and Cherry Bomb. Only thing that seems to affect their inventory is starting skils and if they smoke a specific brand of cigarettes. My third run of 3 I used a premade and ran Father & Daughter.
      I haven't heard any unique dialogue between the two during my time doing so, but I have realized that I forgot to mention in Wasteland 3, Rangers have personalities which give them unique responses for skill checks and things like Demoralize, while in 2 they all share the same pool of quips for skill checks. Honestly surprised I overlooked that because I would argue that's one of the few times I think 3 characterizes squadmates better than 2 outside of visuals.

  • @Ross-2
    @Ross-2 5 месяцев назад +2

    Great video! I can’t believe you only have 1,000 subscribers. Wasteland 2 is such an under-appreciated game and while I enjoyed 3 your analysis does a great job highlighting all of its narrative pitfalls.
    Are you planning on making a review of any other CRPGs? I feel like you’ve got things to say about Underrail :)

    • @Phe0niz
      @Phe0niz  5 месяцев назад +1

      I really do appreciate that.
      As for CRPG reviews, I'm afraid that's gonna be a hard "maybe" and not anytime soon. I try to stick to games I think I can add something to the discussion to, and have strong feelings about, positive or negative. Underrail I find very fascinating design-wise and can appreciate, but I've yet to even complete a full run and I've seen people thoroughly explore it in ways I probably wouldn't.
      If I were to cover any CRPG in the near future, it would likely be Shadowrun: Dragonfall, as I think that's an excellent title I don't see much coverage on and would be willing to do research on. Mind you, if I do decide to cover that, or another CRPG I stumble across and fall in love with, it will likely be some time due to my low uploading speed. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, though! Here's to hoping I make another you may enjoy.

  • @MidlifeCrisisJoe
    @MidlifeCrisisJoe 6 месяцев назад +3

    As one of those few folks who has played both these games: very good job. Very thorough.
    You could probably boil the issues between the two games, ultimately, down to the the issue of Fallout, as a series, existing. Because Fallout was the spiritual successor to the original Wasteland, it took a lot of the game's identity, including its sense of humor. But one of the most impressive things about Wasteland 2, as a reboot of the franchise as much as it was a direct sequel (and it surprised me when I played it JUST how much of a direct sequel it actually was) is in how it managed to claw out its own niche apart from Fallout in terms of its identity. In no small part by being a bit more serious in tone than the now much more famous spin-off series headed by Bethesda (and only just a *bit* if we're being honest).
    Which is why Wasteland 3 suffers a surprising amount when it constantly aims at being funny at what must be 3-4 times the rate of Wasteland 2. Because the lack of seriousness throughout W3 feels like inXile kept getting notes to "make it more like Fallout" from half the audience, and "keep it distinct from Fallout" from the other half, so they're trying to be funnier than the Fallout games while also not being the same kind of funny so they end up going for this weird extremely farcical tone throughout a lot of W3 which . . . just doesn't leave a very long standing impression for an RPG in my opinion.
    Which is a huge shame, because man, I *felt* those ending slides at the end of W2. They went on forever it seemed like, but they covered *sooooo* many of the choices I had made and brought an extremely satisfying conclusion to my adventure in that game that it was a great emotional release. And while W3's version of the same concept had a great idea for presenting the same concept, working it into a humorous song playing over the credits, and that was very, very cool and even genuinely one of the funnier bits in the game . . . it just does not have the same *impact* as it did in W2. Because the humor undercuts the drama and thus undercuts the emotional heft of the game.
    And that's not to say there isn't a *ton* about W3 I didn't love. It was a great game and I happily really think the Wasteland series stands toe to toe with its more famous cousin now due to it and will definitely pick up a Wasteland 4 if inXile ever makes it, but in my opinion, cheap humor just never lasts like even halfway decent drama can.

    • @TboneTherezzmutt
      @TboneTherezzmutt Месяц назад

      I only played Wasteland 3, none of the other ones. It's a great game. But I was a little bit surprised at some of the humour throughout the game, as the atmosphere feels very serious when you first start out. I remember throwing out a discobot assuming that it would do *something* to help me during combat, and then realizing that it was basically just there for comedy. Then seeing the "toaster repair" skill which is actually pretty cool especially because it's actually not useless in the slightest. The humor was surprising and definitely seemed somewhat out of place to me, but I didn't really mind it. To me it seemed like they were having fun with it and not taking themselves to seriously with the game. Like a touch of humility. Personally, I think Fallout 3 is the far superior game to Wasteland three despite being over a decade older.

  • @CanalTremocos
    @CanalTremocos 6 месяцев назад

    I drifted away from W3 quite quickly but years later Los Payasos still live rent-free in my head. They're so good. Like they studied absurdism from the back of a cereal box (which is the correct way to learn about it)

  • @hadin9563
    @hadin9563 6 месяцев назад +1

    I've played W3 a few times, including 1 multiplayer run and had a blast each time, it's just a lot of fun and perhaps the mainstreaming of character builds helped with that.
    When I've played W2 after, I couldn't stomach how slow it felt, I enjoyed a lot of it and I can see why someone would prefer it (especially with how wacky 3 can get)

  • @danizen
    @danizen 6 месяцев назад

    It’s been a year since I played these, might be a good time to revisit them

  • @kizunadragon9
    @kizunadragon9 2 месяца назад +1

    Wasteland 3 is the true Fallout

  • @LordCollywobbles
    @LordCollywobbles 24 дня назад

    Still waiting for a W4 hopefully before I turn 30

  • @jumpy7306
    @jumpy7306 6 месяцев назад +4

    Im here because of the Reddit post

  • @redinthesky1
    @redinthesky1 6 месяцев назад +1

    They are both great games; W2 appealing more to the detail/intricacy hoarding side of me and W3 having what I'd say is the better storyline by a decent bit

  • @aliasv6964
    @aliasv6964 8 дней назад

    Anyone else play Rogue Trader 40k and thought it played eerie like the Wasteland games? So much so I ended up here while thinking too much about gameplay vibe.

  • @YeH-Me2
    @YeH-Me2 3 месяца назад

    I'm new to this game. After this video. Sounds like part 3 is better for me.

  • @RancidHamwallet
    @RancidHamwallet 6 месяцев назад

    Cool :)

  • @annareeves9693
    @annareeves9693 6 месяцев назад

    ❤❤❤

  • @ElectricianAl
    @ElectricianAl 5 месяцев назад

    Yeah Wasteland 3 is an awesome game. I loved my first play through end it’s the game that got me into turn based combat to go on and play Divinity 1/2 Xcomm2 BG3 Tyranny, but the over the top satire does get stale after a while but the look, feel and combat I feel they nailed pretty good for an intro into this type of game. Veteran players will think it’s too easy.

  • @ThePearlofOrient
    @ThePearlofOrient Месяц назад

    i played both , honestly the only thing WL2 better is the the story , WL3 is much much better at combat , music , Grahpic design and builds , also skins .
    but i can see why WL2 is so epic at its time , while WL3 didnt get much attation at its release.

  • @SCARaw
    @SCARaw 6 месяцев назад

    i like wasteland 3, i even made video why you should play it :)

  • @Painiscupcake4
    @Painiscupcake4 2 месяца назад +1

    Its pronounced kow-cheez

    • @Phe0niz
      @Phe0niz  2 месяца назад +4

      I will double down and mispronounce cochise to a higher degree than imagineable.

  • @allenp920
    @allenp920 10 дней назад

    WL3. Infuriatingly over complicated. Tediously slow and brain meltingly boring.