BIG BULLS DIE HARD / Idaho Elk Hunt - Stuck N The Rut 154

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  • Опубликовано: 8 янв 2025

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  • @Stuckntherut1
    @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +13

    Thank you all for watching our episode. Someone has created a fake profile using our logo, saying that you won something free, don't answer them. I just reported them and hopefully RUclips will do the right thing and get rid of them.

    • @jakef1977
      @jakef1977 2 года назад +1

      I reported them too. You guys aren't the only ones who got hacked.

    • @Dyna2023
      @Dyna2023 2 года назад +2

      Thanks for the alert....hackers and spammers suck

    • @SIGMACH1
      @SIGMACH1 Год назад

      congrats on the bull!

  • @gamehunter07
    @gamehunter07 2 года назад +13

    Great hunt guys!! Congrats on getting him, it makes it so much sweeter it was the same bull !! Great bull

  • @Ulfhamr-v7u
    @Ulfhamr-v7u 6 дней назад

    Great bull. That scenery is absolutely gorgeous

  • @TheSchmuel
    @TheSchmuel 2 года назад +4

    Legends of North Idaho!!!

  • @tt600pch
    @tt600pch 2 года назад +13

    That is a great bull. Congrats on staying calm. Counting the points is easier when the bull is down.
    The advice I gave my son is especially true without snow. Poke a hole in the elk and shoot until it drops. His first bull came out of a deep hole above no man's land. It got 4 holes in the neck and died on the ridge top.
    My Dad killed a big 6 in 1980. I heard 10 shots at dusk and we found 9 bullet holes in him when we quartered it. It was a big bull that weighed over 600 lbs quartered. It did not fit the over size meat sacks Mom made. I remember the neck alone weighed 50 lbs and the hide weighed 82 lbs. I carried the hide in my arms after running out of pack boards. Dad wasn't one to leave a 10 dollar hide on the mountain... I miss those days.

  • @kevinjohnson1225
    @kevinjohnson1225 Год назад

    Beautiful bull, way to stay after it and not giving up and thanks for not saying I smoked him after you made three solid shots, that's the best way to show respect for that animal.

  • @404nitro
    @404nitro 2 года назад +4

    Awesome bull and very glad you stuck with it and ended up getting him. Happy for ya!

  • @stalker7892
    @stalker7892 2 года назад +2

    Great hunt! It never ceases to amaze me how tough and capable Elk are.

  • @cody7881
    @cody7881 2 года назад +2

    Very similar to the firebull story. Persistence pays off in the long run. Great video keep them coming

  • @jamesmicca
    @jamesmicca 2 года назад

    You will never forget that Bull. Damn legend Bull Congratulations

  • @allanclose9684
    @allanclose9684 2 года назад +1

    Hats off and 10 thumbs up for staying on him.

  • @4joutdoors
    @4joutdoors Год назад

    One of the best channels on the tube!

  • @ramsaycountry1177
    @ramsaycountry1177 2 года назад +3

    Another awesome story, great bull!

  • @kcwall6716
    @kcwall6716 2 года назад +2

    Man that’s awesome! What a stud bull. Love your hard work and persistence. Keep up the good work.

  • @getoutdoorscny1771
    @getoutdoorscny1771 2 года назад +3

    Great hunt and great job on that bull. This is a great video because it’s a great story and a positive for hunting. Wounded bull, 6 hours tracking and trying to find it, verifying life, finding again and sealing the deal. What a major relief-such a sweet thing to witness their ability to survive and know he didn’t suffer. Doesn’t always go like that, but this shows that doing it the right way sometimes pays off big time. Hat is off.

  • @JohnsonsOutdoorAdventures
    @JohnsonsOutdoorAdventures 2 года назад +1

    Big bull! Definitely a relief when you finally get to put down the same bull from your first shot. Crazy how persistent these elk can be!

  • @NorthernMtnlife
    @NorthernMtnlife 2 года назад +2

    That's awsome Tom great job!!👍

  • @Ashnola
    @Ashnola 2 года назад +2

    Way to be persistent and not give up! Congrats on a fantastic bull!

  • @northidahotransplant1550
    @northidahotransplant1550 2 года назад +1

    Wow! If it's the tag I'm thinking of, the draw odds were like 1% last year? I can't think of a more deserving person than you to be successful! Well done Schneiders!

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад

      Thank you. I got super lucky with that draw.

  • @aaronlegan892
    @aaronlegan892 2 года назад

    Awesome story! I’d really love to hear that one again around the camp fire.🔥

  • @jakef1977
    @jakef1977 2 года назад +1

    Awesome job Tom! That is an amazing bull! I'm so glad you stayed with him. We have seen that before using copper bullets. I can't believe how big that guy is! Two thumbs up from me 👍👍

  • @herdbull365
    @herdbull365 2 года назад +3

    Congrats Tom!! 👊🏻…crazy how tough they are…thanks for sharing the entire story 👍

  • @powderjunky87
    @powderjunky87 2 года назад +1

    Congrats on the amazing bull! What you were saying about making sure a big bull was all the way down made so much sense. I was lucky enough to harvest a giant this last year as well. 363 gross

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +1

      Wow, congratulations my friend. A 360 is a dream!!!

  • @ZacGriffithcom
    @ZacGriffithcom 2 года назад +2

    Awesome work man! Persistence paid off and you deserve that GIANT! 🔥🔥🔥

  • @Kifarutube
    @Kifarutube 2 года назад +2

    Nice work guys! Great bull!!

  • @jacobframe1228
    @jacobframe1228 2 года назад +4

    great video

  • @cyolet
    @cyolet 2 года назад +2

    That thing was huge! Congrats 👏

  • @prestont5769
    @prestont5769 2 года назад +2

    Awesome job man!👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼

  • @reapergrim76
    @reapergrim76 2 года назад +2

    Awesome stuff! 👌

  • @frankwolfe3181
    @frankwolfe3181 2 года назад +1

    Nice Royal’s and great whale tail.

  • @88decor
    @88decor 2 года назад +2

    What a pretty bull

  • @joelmcmahan7386
    @joelmcmahan7386 2 года назад +4

    Thanks again to Stuck In The Rut for this barn burner of a hunt and many others. Good shooting and gods speed to the crew and fans. 🎥💯👍💪🏽🏆🏆

  • @oscarramirez8432
    @oscarramirez8432 2 года назад +1

    Outstanding!

  • @aaronkelley7448
    @aaronkelley7448 Год назад

    Wow, what a cool hunt and beast of a bull!

  • @SH-lb1nu
    @SH-lb1nu 2 года назад +1

    Same happened with me. It didn't really set in until I was back at camp 8 hours later haha

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад

      That’s awesome! Unforgettable moments

  • @natespnwadventures
    @natespnwadventures 2 года назад +1

    Beautiful bull! I'm getting pumped for this year's elk season 🤠

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +1

      Thank you for watching

    • @natespnwadventures
      @natespnwadventures 2 года назад

      @@Stuckntherut1 absolutely! I also reported that bot pretending to be you 😎
      Starting to see those things everywhere

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +1

      Thank you for reporting the bot. That’s annoying

    • @natespnwadventures
      @natespnwadventures 2 года назад +1

      @@Stuckntherut1 yeah it is! I report every one I see. A lot of people fall for them unfortunately.

  • @HigherCallingAdventures
    @HigherCallingAdventures 2 года назад +1

    Excellent Bull and excellent hunt! Redemption!

  • @Mr.T00nz
    @Mr.T00nz Год назад

    Best hunting page hands down. Still in 2024

  • @steepndeep
    @steepndeep 2 года назад

    Nice bull!!! Loved the video! Way to stick with it!

  • @silentstalkerhunting2831
    @silentstalkerhunting2831 2 года назад +1

    Amazing bull. Congratulations 👏

  • @scubadiversworld7337
    @scubadiversworld7337 2 года назад +2

    What ammo and rifle ...???Caliber.. Nice Nightforce.

  • @ertreeservice9558
    @ertreeservice9558 2 года назад +1

    Awesome bull, thanks for sharing your hunts ✅👍

  • @bsmull3735
    @bsmull3735 Год назад

    Well done fellas

  • @nburlingame
    @nburlingame 2 года назад +3

    Congrats Tom! That's a beautiful bull. I love them dark horns. I also like calling them close. I'm sure you've heard of Paul Medel, the elk nut. If you don't have his app, it is well worth the $10. He will teach you the full meaning of the elk language and how to use it against them. You totally could have slow played that bull when you got in close and found his cows. Good luck this year :-)

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +1

      Thank you for your support!!!

    • @88decor
      @88decor 2 года назад

      Why would you want them to know you’re there with calls rifle in hand ? there’s a time and place for calls this wasn’t one of them. That’s the thing who cares if it’s with a bow 30 yards or a rifle 4-500 yards dead is dead when people romanticize the hunt they usually go home empty handed you have to try each opportunity for what it is and not force situations because you envision them to go a certain way elk don’t usually read the script to the perfect hunting story. My last bulls have been 150 yards rifle 2017 6x6, 30 yards bow and arrow called him in with my 8 and 11 year old 2018 5x5, 220 yards rifle 2019 5x5, 539 yards 2021 7x6. I’m just grateful to see the opportunity when it’s there sometimes it’s spot and stalk sometimes it’s crazy in your face bugle battles adapt and overcome these guys aren’t amateurs that’s what you must do to seal the deal year after year great shooting boys 💪🏼

    • @nburlingame
      @nburlingame 2 года назад +1

      Tom specifically mentioned when he was trying to sneak in, one of the cows busted him and he could not see or get close enough to the herd bull. Even though he had a rifle in hand. There are calls you can use to call her back if she did not see you or didn't quite know what you were, and calls you can use to let the rest of the herd know why she is running. This can prevent the rest of the herd from running, and convince the herd bull that he needs to come over and investigate or defend.
      Great hunters never want to stop learning. The Stuck in the Rut crew seems to fit that bill. So if there is a way to kill a bull the first time you are in there, rather than making multiple trips back, I think Tom would be interested in that kind of knowledge. If not, that's okay. Doesn't sound like it's your cup of tea. No problem. I would rather be able to use calling and 80% of the time get the elk, rather than 80% of the time the elk got away. I'm sure we all have stories of The One That Got Away, but what if there was something you could say to that elk to bring him back or kill him before he ran away? I think it's worth a $10 app :-) Or if you are cheap, Go download some podcasts where Paul was a guest on. Great info for free

  • @Paisley1232
    @Paisley1232 2 года назад

    Congrats!! That’s a great bull! Awesome hunt

  • @marcallan1204
    @marcallan1204 2 года назад +3

    A beast 💪👌💥🙂

  • @bpdub21
    @bpdub21 2 года назад

    This makes me miss Idaho so much!

  • @davecarr4070
    @davecarr4070 2 года назад +1

    Awesome! Don't know what it is but it wounded bull elk almost always go uphill if he's going to survive for any amount of time.

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +1

      So true, if I see the blood trail going uphill, I get a knot in my stomach

  • @markive9907
    @markive9907 2 года назад +1

    Great Bull ! We brought a friend elk hunting to Idaho on a busy unit ,general tag ,1st Elk he ever saw in his life ,he shoots 392” 6x6 everyone drove past him to go deeper in 😂 go figure ! And we only had to pack it out 200 yards ,it was tough.

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад

      Holy smokes. 392 is a dream, they don’t even get that big in the unit that I was hunting. Tell your friend congratulations for me!!!

    • @markive9907
      @markive9907 2 года назад +1

      @@Stuckntherut1 👍 at the end of the week he started to realize what he had ,after others hunters stopped by to talk & congratulate him . His head started to swell just like old Barney Fife ,he was giving other hunters advice ,lol 1st time ever elk hunting 😂good for him it netted 386” I have taken 33 bulls ,mostly Colorado but never came close to that .

    • @catchingwildmeats
      @catchingwildmeats 2 года назад +1

      My 2016 bull is identical to this bull but only measured 330. Only had 51” beams with a 40” inside but the tines are just as long with bases 11.5” unit 3 bull. Got to hunt local till I draw my bull moose. My 2020 bull was a 7x7 royal 300”. Great job on that dandy bull. Can’t wait to start putting in on those hunts

  • @tristanmack5779
    @tristanmack5779 2 года назад +5

    Congrats on the great bull!! My grandpa always taught me to keep shooting until they fall. I try not to riddle everything with holes, but I will say if there's any uncertainty I keep shooting until I'm certain. Especially on elk. I'd rather waste a little meat than waste a lot of time and make an animal suffer. Great shooting and great bull!

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +1

      Thank you! It was a relief when he buckled on the third shot!!!

    • @tt600pch
      @tt600pch 2 года назад +1

      My dad always said " Steak with a hole in it is better than no steak at all ! "

    • @tristanmack5779
      @tristanmack5779 2 года назад

      @@tt600pch love it!! So true too.

  • @Hunt4fun96
    @Hunt4fun96 2 года назад +3

    We have a rule that if the bulls head is up then keep shooting him. We have had two bulls go down and get back up to never be found! Elk are tough and big bulls are amazingly tough!

  • @td_viking
    @td_viking 2 года назад +2

    Круто! Хорошо, что удалось добрать этого великолепного быка.

  • @jimpeters7272
    @jimpeters7272 2 года назад

    Great story! Way to stick with him.
    A couple years ago I was in on a rifle elk kill with a buddy. We found an old wound on him and dug a broadhead with 14” of arrow out of his backstrap. It was healed pretty clean, no sign of infection, just still draining out his side. I showed photos around and one of my other friends recognized the arrow. He’d shot and lost the bull 2 years earlier. Said he’d caught up and put another one in his neck but we found no evidence of that. That bull was happily bugling with his herd as well when we got him. Unreal what they can recover from.

    • @wapiti128
      @wapiti128 2 года назад

      A friend of the family shot a 6x6 in Colorado back in the early 80s. When they skinned the head there was a broadhead stuck in the skull right between the antlers!

  • @patrickschreck6549
    @patrickschreck6549 2 года назад +3

    Another awesome go boys. Congrats Tom 🙌 Question: if you get injured and have no cell service …what distress unit do you have to call for help ?

  • @minitractors1885
    @minitractors1885 2 года назад

    Very nice!!!

  • @thejkids5327
    @thejkids5327 2 года назад +1

    Hey tom it is josiah I made your sandwich at Subway the the other day and just wanted to say thanks for the info and great video 😀

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад

      Hey, thank you Josiah!!!

    • @thejkids5327
      @thejkids5327 2 года назад

      @@Stuckntherut1 yeah where should I get the ot 6 from

    • @thejkids5327
      @thejkids5327 2 года назад

      Or should I get a 308 because it’s easier to find

  • @patrickschreck6549
    @patrickschreck6549 2 года назад +3

    Red head lamp less bright to scare vs white ?

  • @MrHameedkamran
    @MrHameedkamran 2 года назад +1

    your hunt was really nice, what kind of bullets you were using, amazing 1st shot you took and bull was living happily and chasing cows after couple of days being shot in shoulder, 😀

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +1

      225gr accubond, usually it drops them

    • @MrHameedkamran
      @MrHameedkamran 2 года назад

      @@Stuckntherut1 holes really seems big but seems not enough punch power and expansion

    • @MrHameedkamran
      @MrHameedkamran 2 года назад

      at 400 yards it should still have 2350 lb-ft of energy as per book. but you never know, whole dynamics changed in field.

  • @terancegreene3555
    @terancegreene3555 2 года назад +1

    Dang that is a big bull

  • @aaronsmith21
    @aaronsmith21 2 года назад +1

    Sorry if I missed it, but what is the rifle brand/model that you used? Looks nice

  • @jameshurd4815
    @jameshurd4815 2 года назад +3

    It is so refreshing to not have to sit through a long intro

  • @jimbo3615
    @jimbo3615 2 года назад +1

    Awesome video, hunt, bull, story! Did you mention what rifle/cartridge you used? I missed it if you did.

  • @DaBellyMan318
    @DaBellyMan318 2 года назад +1

    Great hunting and shooting! What caliber and bullet was used?

  • @padronianful
    @padronianful 2 года назад +1

    First time I've ever seen Tom miss!

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад

      A mistake that I have to live with, thankfully I was able to redeem myself.

  • @English_Speaking_Fox
    @English_Speaking_Fox 2 года назад

    Hey mate, great display of tenacity and commitment to go get that bull, excellent. Really glad to see the outcome. I’ve read in the comments that you are using the 225 grain Accubond in the 338 ultra mag… just curious to hear your thoughts about the impact velocity and whether you think that bullet is likely to be opening up enough at slower speeds? The first wounding shot would have hit around 2100 ft/sec? There aren’t many of the newer premium bullets for big heavy game made in .338 cal - Norma BondStrike would be my pick if they made one. I’ve been looking at the super fast .30 cal magnums and the performance with this bullet at range is really something.

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад

      Thank you!!! I think most people blame the bullet and the gun, but the real reason was my mistake. It was shot placement. The majority of our elk drop in their tracks and should with an accubond. I didn't calculate the angle, which caused the bullet to miss vitals completely. We have dropped elk at 1000+ yards with the same loads.

  • @JustinHallowesOutdoors
    @JustinHallowesOutdoors 2 года назад +1

    that's a beaut

  • @gabell727
    @gabell727 2 года назад +1

    Great job, Congratulations! I always have to know, what cartridge did you use and how far were the shots?

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +1

      338 ultra mag. The shot that wounded him originally was around 600 yards. Hit where I was aiming, but I didn’t consider the angle I was shooting from. The shots that killed him a week later was 400yards

    • @gabell727
      @gabell727 2 года назад +1

      @@Stuckntherut1 Wow, those elk are tuff critters! I was thinking "270", not 338!

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад

      @@gabell727 Usually it drops them in their tracks

    • @gabell727
      @gabell727 2 года назад +1

      @@Stuckntherut1 I bet it does, I only use a little 300 win mag!

  • @Albert859
    @Albert859 2 года назад +1

    Nice bull Tom! What grain of bullet were you’re shooting? 338 right?
    Those big old bulls are tough eh

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад

      Yes, with a 225gr accubond. They usually drop in their tracks, but some bulls have a will to live.

  • @Dyna2023
    @Dyna2023 2 года назад +1

    Had you seen him in years past or his sheds? How old do you think he was? that's a bruiser.

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад

      I got him aged at Matson Labs 6 years old. I never had previous encounters of this bull, but a friend of mine did the year before.

  • @everythingloud4068
    @everythingloud4068 2 года назад +1

    What scope are you using?

  • @PredatorSlayer41
    @PredatorSlayer41 2 года назад +1

    What bullet were you using?

  • @liftheavyhunthard09
    @liftheavyhunthard09 3 месяца назад

    Congrats on a giant! Also way to stick with him so many times I've seen mortally wounded animals go to waste because people give up too soon. However, that being said i would agree with Travis I think if that bull was left alone he probably would have healed up and made it just fine. I killed a bull about 15 years ago thst had been shotnin the back the year before. It appeared to be a rifle shot and it looked like the bullet had skipped off his back breaking off one of the dorsel bones on his spine. When I killed him it was about a football size chunk of grissel where the bullet hit but he had made it all the way the the next October. I am and will always be a proponent of shoot until you cant see them or they are firmly on the ground. Amazing bull congrats.

  • @aaronwilcox6417
    @aaronwilcox6417 2 года назад

    That rifle was bouncing around a lot. Lots of readjusting and poor follow thru. This is som3thing I've actually been working on myself. That is staying calm, good bolt manipulation and follow thru from the shot, the reload, and back onto the target. It's difficult and takes lots of dry practice and repetitive motions but I'm working on it. Also I'm working on unsupported shooting and plenty of offhand practice. It's been eye-opening how much skill I've been lacking.

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад

      Thank you for your thoughts. I probably should have explained the setup more. After I was pinned by a cow, I found the nearest rest possible, which unfortunately, was a rotten stump. After every shot, the stump was falling apart, and I had to re-adjust the rest. Thankfully, all three shots were in vitals.

  • @brianduke633
    @brianduke633 2 года назад

    Can you do a rifle review ??

  • @countrytrash0247
    @countrytrash0247 2 года назад +1

    What caliber?

  • @PointsWestOutdoors
    @PointsWestOutdoors 2 года назад +1

    I'm glad you were able to follow up and kill the bull you first hit ! And that's very commendable for you to stay persistent and stay on him . ! Congratulations great elk !

  • @thunder13able
    @thunder13able 2 года назад +1

    What bullet are you shooting?

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад

      225 gr accubond

    • @thunder13able
      @thunder13able 2 года назад

      @@Stuckntherut1 that's a solid bullet. Just gives extra testimony to how tough those creatures are. Nice bull and good job on not giving up.

  • @kentlaurent6836
    @kentlaurent6836 2 года назад +1

    Three shots possibly four before that bull gone down. Same bull?? Maybe practice shooting more. Definitely need to shoot more bud.

    • @tomschneider2591
      @tomschneider2591 2 года назад

      Watch 21:15 and listen to why I shot 3 times. I explain it in the video

    • @tomschneider2591
      @tomschneider2591 2 года назад +1

      22:52 is where all three bullets hit.

  • @FORBIDDEN_GROUND
    @FORBIDDEN_GROUND 2 года назад

    I made the mistake of holding out for a big bull on an archery draw unit. First-day big bull and I passed because there were bigger ones. I wish I could have that day back. See the action on my channel (FORBIDDEN GROUND - Cliff Hunt).

  • @ssimossimo576
    @ssimossimo576 2 года назад

    Poor bullet choice?

  • @markpack798
    @markpack798 2 года назад +1

    Gota love over lapped season's 400 yards your lucky you didn't shoot an archer..wtf!!!

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +1

      We didn’t create the over lapped seasons, we are just the hunters taking advantage of the system.

  • @billbrowning50
    @billbrowning50 2 года назад

    Gonna be some seriously damaged meat.. 4 shots

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +1

      Surprisingly, not much. Little bit of rib meat, and about 1/2lb of shoulder has blood shot, but that was about it.

    • @burnetteguy
      @burnetteguy 2 года назад

      You're a douche for even saying this! "damaged meat" in retard voice

  • @ziruk-king4466
    @ziruk-king4466 2 года назад +1

    Stupid long shot-- what is confusing is do you shoot long. When you are capable of walking close. I can answer for you it is because you want it on video. Next time for the respect of the animal and views don't take shot. And yes that first elk is hurting with a limp. Wyoming guy

    • @Stuckntherut1
      @Stuckntherut1  2 года назад +1

      Thank you for your thoughts. I hit where I was aiming, regardless of range, the mistake I made was aiming in the wrong spot at the angle he was facing. This unit is an easy tag to obtain for archery, and I have killed many bulls with a bow here in close range. The reason why I applied for the rifle tag was so that I can shoot from a distance, and be more selective with size.

    • @ziruk-king4466
      @ziruk-king4466 2 года назад

      @@Stuckntherut1 lol--- I get elk every year as well. You sound very self centered. Obviously, you need to practice more and not take your elk for granted. Show more respect in your writing. And only a idiot shooter will shoot in shoulder waste meat and think their 338 will do the job. Take away-- be intelligent and aim shoot heart/ lung.

  • @davidvanlalsawma7123
    @davidvanlalsawma7123 2 года назад

    Dear stuck n the rut ,. Please persuade these hunters in America to maintained some scrupple and integrity in keeping their hunter,s status that they hunt down game animals only for food to feed their folks at home like elks , deers and bison but live alone these animals like lynx and wolves and bears that are not for food , hunting for sports is an obnoxious distasteful vainglorious relic , you killed more than necessary and the predator like wolves out of desparated situation started preying on your livestock and you tooked vengeance on them out of blind vindictiveness they don,t hunt for sport and more over nowadays why are most of you hunters resort to killing wolves illegally in the national park behind the authorities back