The problem I have with this series is that the trio keep using their starters for battling and not their other pokémon. I don't like how Roy only trains Fuecoco, Kilowattrel needs more training and better moves
Yess I agree with this 100% They need to start using their other Pokémon. It’s pissing me off to see them just disregard their second Pokémon. It’s kind of sad to see.
The bad thing is that in my opinion in the episodes where kilowattrel appears, his personality is more interesting to watch than fuecoco who unfortunately was decided to be the comic relief
Yeah. I understand not having too many Pokemon but when you just focus on the starters and their trainer's growth for a MAIN SERIES show, it doesn't work as well compared to the other Pokemon anime that focus on just one or two characters. But that's when it comes to the trainers and their team of Pokemon which IMO should've also consisted of Pokemon they befriended in the Brave Olivine in minor episodes so they can have more purpose than "live with the Volt Tacklers".
I love this show but this is my biggest pet peeve. I didn't mind in the first few gym battles but one of the requirements is to know how to battle with two Pokemon if you aren't gonna bother to develop their second Pokemon then why bother adding that rule. Imagine if Ash disregarded all his Pokemon in favor of Pikachu it wouldn't be an entertaining show
Liko can still pass if one of two things happen. 1. Grusha sees her battle Amethio and decides to either change his mind and pass her or allows a rematch. 2. Liko saves the academy from the explores and they let her keep her Tera orb as a thank you.
since they seem to be doing this as a way of giving the gym leaders exposure, I think what they ought to have Liko have to go and fight Kofu and Tulip for approval as sort of a second make up test. Yes I know it's weird, but at the current time I don't Liko is strong enough, alot of people believe she battled well against Grusha in terms of tactics, but it was power overall the decided everything in the end. Unless they go ahead and evolve Florgato or she uses Terapagos, i'd rather she not take Grusha on again without something to reasonably balance out the power difference. Though I do think she should get another chance to fight him, just not right now. Besides since they apparently want to use the gym leaders for the testing, they may as well go ahead and have Kofu and Tulip get attention and I figure this is a good way how to do it.
I feel the odds of Liko getting a rematch are pretty solid if Grusha gets involved in the Explorers plot, like idk if he's just wandering around the mountain like earlier, or if Roy and Dot go to him for help, especially with Spinel's involvement, since they would recognize their phones getting messed with like before and what he previously did to Liko, like you mindwipe a child on an icy mountain and she might die. Something to cause Grusha to realize the gravity of her situation, and give her another chance.
I think the reason they haven’t give Liko,Roy or Dot a new Pokémon is because there second Pokémon barely get focus in battle or screen time compared to to the Paldea Starters
they absolutely are, people would be outraged if they just brute force overpowered gym leaders at this level when their best feat is….. getting a hit on an extremely weakened rayquaza? what we are getting is probably the most realistic scenario that should be happening.
@@swift3520 Yeah and then we also get very harsh and mean opponents taking advantage of their inexperience like Rhyme and Grusha. They realize soon enough that the only one who wins is the person who gives all that takes to win, but won't be as heartless as their opponents about it.
Roy won his battle. If anyone has a losing streak, it's Liko. She 0-3 now. It don't get why Liko is the only character of the 3 hasn't won a major battle yet.
@@516tigergirl In the long term, it's gonna be part of her character growth. At first, she battles just for fun or to help Terapagos. But after losing against Rika, she realizes how painful losing can be which will be motivation for her in the future.
This far into Horizons I got kinda saddened that Roy was kinda left on the backburner even though that he and Liko were presented and marketed as the dual protagonists of the anime and even DOT was given better quality screentime than him but yeah… I’m glad he beat his gym leader.
Its weird cause it both feels like theyre obviously building up it evolving with the singing, but also i feel they would keep it as a fuecoco for the marektable cute little bean croc being comic relief bonus. But we'll see
I think they will rush through the evolution and move all the development it would have gotten via evolution to still being Fuecoco. The thing is, while Fuecoco is popular, and Skeledirge is even more so , Crocalor isn't, so they might basically skip development and stuff on the Crocalor stage and move straight to Skeledirge.
What most viewers seem to forget is that Liko Roy and Dot are supposed to be rookies and all the battles they lose make for great character development I have a feeling that by the time the Paldea arc is over they will become the powerhouse trainers we all wanted them to be finding the other Six Heroes and defeating the Explorers.
@@UltimatePhantasm Look at it this way the Gym Battles in this series are handled much better than Ash's were back when he was rookie in the Indigo League days when everyone just seemed to want to give him badges instead of earning them and I don't think it's fair to judge Liko Roy and Dot until the end of Horizons.
@@UltimatePhantasm i mean they do. They trained quite a bit on the airship, well Roy and Liko did. But that was basically them just learning how to battle in general, training wheel stuff so to speak
@@UltimatePhantasm I mean some people in their world take years and years to even do one league. I think we were always shitting on Ash but he was always a skilled battler at least from Johto on. Liko and Roy not focused on battles as much as adventure would lead to them being far weaker. They train yes but they usually only battle when they must
Tbh, Houndstone has Fluffy as an ability, so it could excuse a bit, of how easily Fuecoco defeated him. And I feel, that Grusha failed Liko not because of teaching a lesson, because she battled really well here. But because he spits his own insecurities on her. Episode earlier stated of how Grusha is harsh on everyone including himself, believing result is more important. He broke his leg, so while he is still intact, he will never achieve the same results as before. That's why he failed her. Because she showed a result and Grusha believes, Liko will not do any better anyway
As someone has already said, it's important to know you tried your best. But as someone else said, Liko did need to learn that in the future, if she loses, she loses, and that she's not always gonna end up getting a good end result.
While I can definitely get behind Grusha being a wake up call of sorts for Liko (and by extension Dot and Roy too) I still can’t shake the thought that he failed as a gym leader not allowing Liko to rematch him, essentially telling her “you failed, give up” without giving any sort of advice for her to actually improve like what Ryme told Roy. If any other gym leader (paldean or not) were there they would’ve torn into him for pushing such defeatist lessons instead of the growth mindset gym leaders are supposed to promote in trainers This just felt like Grusha pushing his snowboarding trauma on a ten year old
@@LogicalOrder6 guess what the real world doesn't give out second chances for free it has to be earned thats what Grushia is trying to show Liko. Example being when the explorer actually beat Liko and steal trappilicose
Say what you will about the evolutions, if you ask me it makes perfect sense for Dot to have Quaxly evolve into Quaxwell and inevitably Quaquaval either way given the fact that she's a streamer and those evolutions specifically are all about performance.
I think Sango and Onyx/Sidian aren't being silly but rather that they can't go all out anyways because they were ordered to keep a low profile. I'm also surprised you didn't mention the fact that the Kingambit episode was literally foreshadowed by Friede in the episode where Liko catches Hattena. Also, regarding the lost battles. I honestly think it makes sense given the caliber of the opponents. Larry is an elite four member, Ryme is the oldest of the gym leaders and far more experienced as a trainer than Roy and Grusha is literally the eighth gym leader and pretty much was portrayed as a prodigy that found success as a pokemon training even after losing his original passion. And I honestly don't think that Liko is at fault for what happened with Grusha. Roy and Dot were the ones that convinced her to go play with them and it's also clear that Grusha is the one with the character flaw. With him being overly harsh despite the fact that the implementation test being meant to assess their ability using terastalization, not raw power. Liko fought really well and made use of everything she has learned pretty effectively. It's Grusha the one pretty much unfairly projecting his own frustrations about his past on Liko. And it's not to say that being strong isn't important but Liko definitely wasn't being a pushover in that fight. It honestly felt more as if Grusha's frustrations over his past got triggered after seeing Liko enjoying the same activity that he used to enjoy and being overly harsh as a result.
I think that, because of how things have gone in previous battles, I honestly didn’t expect the main cast to win in these battles anyway, which only led to me being confused by why Roy and Liko were failed, but this video helped clear it up. I appreciated getting to understand a bit more about Roy, but I was initially frustrated, thinking that both Rhyme and Grusha were just being written to be unusually harsh to drum up some drama. I honestly think that it’s the first time I’ve felt this way during Horizons.
The main cast about to have a Kieran arc with all the L’s they keep taking. In all seriousness, I think that the biggest problem with the trio is that they just don’t train on their own volition unless the plot calls for it, especially when it comes to their other Pokemon. I’m guessing that the writers are so afraid of repeating what made JN so controversial that not only do the kids other Pokemon constantly get neglected in favor of their starters but they never mention that they at least trained offscreen.
@@neduegeh5859 i feel like friede himself (the person with two powerhouse pokemon that perform equally) would be the perfect person to call them out on it
I dont understand why people want the trio to get strong so fast they are still beginners and they need time to grow Ash didn't even earn most of his badges and they were just handed to him when he first started his journey
It's always good to here ypur reviewes Zac. I've even started picking up a habit of guessing the most likely score you'll give it before you give it based on your reviewes. It's... a 50/50 more or less.
Hmmm…even if Liko could make an actual good strategy that would somehow Win against Grusha,…there is still the problem of convincing Grusha to let Her try again. Although while He is A Tough Nut to crack, it is NOT impossible to do so🤔
AGAIN really? Poor liko least they could hsve done was make her go up against the water gym leader insted of 2 types her team is week against does she not get a rematch like roy did? Oh and look zac quaxly evolved it only need to evolve one more time to turn into your favorite paldea starter 😄
Tinkatink, Kilowattrel and Hattrem all gone dirty. I wasn't expecting them to win, but at least have more screen time or land some good hits or show off more of their moveset. I think Tinkatink was the best handled. It had a good counter for Glare and it forced Larry to swap to Staraptor. Hattrem had a cool moment when it used Confusion to send the Icicle Spear back to Cetitan and it looked it did some decent damage in the moment but that was it. Kilowattrel got done the dirtiest. It looked like it landed a partial hit of Spark on Houndstone but got two-shot shortly after and then Fuecoco defeated Houndstone very easily. Even Quaxwell and Floragato still struggled and didn't get one win. Kilowattrel wasn't even used in the training or rematch. I'm tired of seeing the starter trio get all of the screentime and development and training. I don't think they will even get a full team of 6 and I don't want to if they treated as bad or worse like the others. Horizons be like "You get a loss and you get a loss, everybody gets a loss".
@@Cheichei11 100% agree I'm getting so fed up with it. And what they did with Kilowattrel is so insulting it's like they pretend he doesn't exist. Even Ash Pidgeotto had more screentime and was a good battler for the time he had. Just the scene alone when he hugged him to keep Ask warmth makes up for it
@@KgEclispe252 They better redeem their secondary mons soon, whats the point of a team if only one of the members gets full development while the others lag behind despite evolving
Lay off my Pladean starter and 6:52 can't believe you didn't react to Larry stretching just like Ash. Also I found from another Pokémon fan channel that the song that Roy is singing a song called "5,6,7,8" by a British band named Steps.
My favorite part up till now was when Rayquaza slaps Ceruledge down and just nuked him repeatedly with dragon pulses. I mean he was done when he got slapped down but Rayquaza had to remind him that you dont roll up on him solo like that and not get punished.
From Raifort's debut in the anime (and finally getting an official art) to Grusha's fleshed out backstory, I somehow feel this arc told us more about Paldea and its people than the games itself. Now Spinel's up in the next episode, I want to see what he did with the Eternal Blessings and that much needed Amethio v/s Spinel is coming, the wait's killing me..
After this many episodes, I get the feeling that the Horizon writers have trouble trying to balance filler and story, not wanting to progress the story too much but also not dumping unnecessary filler.
@@Taydar if you don’t like the series, then why are you even here? plus why do you people want Liko Roy Dot to get stronger that when we have lots of season with them to learn and grow
@@Taydar Well Ash’s journey was pretty unrealistic and making a Pokémon anime was still new to the writers then, now Pokémon are fixing the mistakes they made at the start for ashes journey by being more realistic with everything and that is learning to get stronger, well in that episode 63 Liko was thinking in Ash’s strategies, so she is getting better So you can’t say they’re going that slow
When it comes to the HZ trio's 1st Caught Pokemon's 1st Official Battles, I'd probably say Hattrem did the best out of Kilowattrel & Tinkatink. Her Confusion-controlled Icicle Spear Sendback attack & Spinning Collision between Ice Spinner & Brutal Swing were pretty good! And I definitely do hope that the opportunity arises for Another Liko vs Grusha to happen again given the next lineup of eps, so I'm on the edge of my seat in hopes that a silver lining of a comeback arises (I'd love it if it turns out that Geeta magically shows up & turns Grusha into an anxious worrywart when he's around her and makes him reconsider what he's done given he's so scared of La Primera) - And all I can say in the end after this episode is that Grusha might have just added another new reason as to why he is one of my least favorite of Paldea Gym Leaders!!
If I had a nickel for every anime made 8th ice type gym leader ice hard battle to a protagonists, I got two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
@@eljordinio7647 still lost to Abomasnow I’m sorry but that thing has SEVEN weaknesses. And you go at it with a water type and use CUT Not saying this is better or worse just saying… they both did stupid stuff. I mean this was an Ash who was now a pro battler and he did that.
I want to see Liko shine and grow with full intense battles, i guess it will be a long journey. But i like Roy is more of Ash in the group. I want more training episodes and bonding episodes with their pokemon and capture more please
I’m starting to think Grusha is a little like Paul ya know? His criticism of the mc, believing results are everything even though Paul was more focused on power that contributes to results, though he’s kinder to his Pokémon but not challengers, the fact that he had an overwhelming victory against the mc and his realistic expectations of winning
In my personal opinion liko seems to be like the type of trainer who'd perfer playing with her pokemon then having them battle and I think she'd rather get stronger by just bonding and playing then through battling
Making interesting fights is not the issue honestly, but I wish they caught more pokemon, I’m not asking for a full team, but I want more diverse match ups, like if Liko had a 3rd pokemon, there could be more interesting dynamics with Hattrem and said 3rd pokemon
Injust thought of something. Liko dot and roy could be representing the players that only use the starter for the entire game while the rest of the "team" is like lvl 10
I had heat exhaustion a few days ago, so I could never commit to the winterwear bit like you. A mild case, but still. I hate the heat. I'm glad to see that passing the test isn't easy, since the first four were all, "Battle, pass."
Technically Ash was going for pro Pokemon Trainer route, in real world, he is going pro at a sport, so training mentality is a must. But Liko isn't so I guess that can be excused. But someone needs to talk to her that what she is going through is very dangerous (Possibly even more dangerous than Ash's own journey) where she will meet strong Pokemon and even EVIL people/organization, and that she needs to train for that.
If Fuecoco didn’t evolve that last ep Idk if he ever will. What more do you need to do to evolve into the 2nd stage. I enjoy we have seen these kids go from not knowing anything about battles to them actually taking it serious
Let's just hope they'll keep training hard enough because i'm sick and tired of seeing them taking some Ls and drops the Ws. I'd rather to see them get their comebacks than failed their test. Seriously Grusha, no need to be so harsh to yourself. SO IS the writers
How about this for a video, ranking the game Rivals. One for their teams (this includes the different teams depending on your starter as their own spot rather than combining them all together) and the characters themselves. Which Rival had the best team, and the best character. Since I suggested it, I am putting my two cents for who should be where on the character list. And it is gone.
9:45 I’m excited yet worried for the English dub when they get to this point and have Ryme do her rap, especially how Journeys back then had Ash and Goh do their own rap battle with the Slowkings (the cringe level from Sarah Natochenny and Zeno Robinson was immense) Also looking forward to the next group podcast
Hey Zach since Ash has Pikachu and nimble which will evolve into lokix and koraidon maybe for future Ash in paldea videos maybe Ash should catch a gimmighoul and it will evolve into gholdengo and he would catch bounsweet it will be shy at first but when involved into steenee it will become a little more confident and when involved into tsareena it'll become a sister figure to The other pokémon and finizen and will eventually evolve into paladin and obviously koraidon so Zach I hope you like these ideas for pokémon for Ash to catch and everyone else like this comment and leave a reply to say what you think and don't forget to like and subscribe on zactoshi and zactoshi again I hope you like these ideas for Ash in paldea and keep up the good work and by the way I love your videos and I am a subscriber of yours.😀👍🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Welp someone had to carry the Ash losing streak flag. Funny enough and this is just my own fanfiction I am planning on making. It's a crossover and Sonic being one of them, set in the pokemn world. Basically Sonic is the season 1 Ash, where he got overly cocky, underestimated certain battles and trainers, but mostly that he didn't evolve his pokemon during the time until later when he's pushed to his limit and someone gave him solid advice that it's not his pokemon that's the problem, it's him and not really connection with his team. Let alone their full potential.
im not gonna lie where the fuck is the pokemon center in hz it showed up once in the third episode and then the episode where they fight moltres and we’ve never seen it since😭
We'll probably need a big moment since they already did "starter evolves in a gym battle" within these episodes. Though I'm gonna get peeved if it's another Grookey situation again.
@Zactoshi hello, huge fan! Quick question, will you make a video about your friend zanolith’s pokemon journeys rewrite series and see if it s better than the actual anime? When that series ends.
I hated the fact the Roy's rematch wasn't 2v2. Why do they even have other pokemon if they are barely gonna be used? Grusha doest give pity badges. He is cool for that alone.
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The problem I have with this series is that the trio keep using their starters for battling and not their other pokémon. I don't like how Roy only trains Fuecoco, Kilowattrel needs more training and better moves
Yess I agree with this 100% They need to start using their other Pokémon. It’s pissing me off to see them just disregard their second Pokémon. It’s kind of sad to see.
The bad thing is that in my opinion in the episodes where kilowattrel appears, his personality is more interesting to watch than fuecoco who unfortunately was decided to be the comic relief
Yeah. I understand not having too many Pokemon but when you just focus on the starters and their trainer's growth for a MAIN SERIES show, it doesn't work as well compared to the other Pokemon anime that focus on just one or two characters. But that's when it comes to the trainers and their team of Pokemon which IMO should've also consisted of Pokemon they befriended in the Brave Olivine in minor episodes so they can have more purpose than "live with the Volt Tacklers".
I love this show but this is my biggest pet peeve. I didn't mind in the first few gym battles but one of the requirements is to know how to battle with two Pokemon if you aren't gonna bother to develop their second Pokemon then why bother adding that rule. Imagine if Ash disregarded all his Pokemon in favor of Pikachu it wouldn't be an entertaining show
@@KgEclispe252 Ash kinda did this several times. Or at least the show itself
I think the reason Fuecoco one shot Houndstone was because it had the fluffy ability, which doubles any fire damage you take.
Would make sense, but Ryme’s Houndstone has the Sand Rush ability in SV
@@thetreyceratops that's the games, this is the anime
@@eljordinio7647 why would they randomly change exactly one Pokémon’s ability without saying anything?
@@thetreyceratops I thought it had fluffy? Is fluffy it’s hidden ability?
@@wiseguy1512 yeah, it is
Can't believe Roy developed the "Song Phenomenon"
Song Phenomenon is crazy 💀😂🔥
Now we just need something for Dot. Erm, Streamer Phenomenon?
@arandomcommenter0135 what's next deus ex machina phenomenon?
Or plot armor as an actual ability?
@@arandomcommenter0135 pchal phenomenon LOL
Liko can still pass if one of two things happen.
1. Grusha sees her battle Amethio and decides to either change his mind and pass her or allows a rematch.
2. Liko saves the academy from the explores and they let her keep her Tera orb as a thank you.
I think the first part is more likely, as the preview shows Liko and Floragato's grittiness in their battle against Amethio.
3. Geetha and/or Clavel saw the entire battle and talks Grusha into allowing a rematch.
since they seem to be doing this as a way of giving the gym leaders exposure, I think what they ought to have Liko have to go and fight Kofu and Tulip for approval as sort of a second make up test.
Yes I know it's weird, but at the current time I don't Liko is strong enough, alot of people believe she battled well against Grusha in terms of tactics, but it was power overall the decided everything in the end.
Unless they go ahead and evolve Florgato or she uses Terapagos, i'd rather she not take Grusha on again without something to reasonably balance out the power difference. Though I do think she should get another chance to fight him, just not right now. Besides since they apparently want to use the gym leaders for the testing, they may as well go ahead and have Kofu and Tulip get attention and I figure this is a good way how to do it.
@@karthus006 or Larry. he may be a gym leader but also seems to be Geetas assistant. not the only one but the one with most responsibilities.
@@thefearlessone2649yeah but Grusha doesn't show up til the preview for episode 65 so if he does change his mind, it will probably be there
I feel the odds of Liko getting a rematch are pretty solid if Grusha gets involved in the Explorers plot, like idk if he's just wandering around the mountain like earlier, or if Roy and Dot go to him for help, especially with Spinel's involvement, since they would recognize their phones getting messed with like before and what he previously did to Liko, like you mindwipe a child on an icy mountain and she might die. Something to cause Grusha to realize the gravity of her situation, and give her another chance.
@@13CrystalHeart sounds like he will be involved
I think the reason they haven’t give Liko,Roy or Dot a new Pokémon is because there second Pokémon barely get focus in battle or screen time compared to to the Paldea Starters
Exactly
The issue is that they don't have team rocket as a punching bag to get stronger.
But honestly I think they're playing the long game so these characters don't grow too fast.
Damn, you're kinda cooking ngl
they absolutely are, people would be outraged if they just brute force overpowered gym leaders at this level when their best feat is….. getting a hit on an extremely weakened rayquaza?
what we are getting is probably the most realistic scenario that should be happening.
@@swift3520 Yeah and then we also get very harsh and mean opponents taking advantage of their inexperience like Rhyme and Grusha. They realize soon enough that the only one who wins is the person who gives all that takes to win, but won't be as heartless as their opponents about it.
Lmao that’s so true, they’re fighting skilled villains
Liko and Roy entering Ash's losing streak arc
And Dawn's losing streak.
Roy won his battle. If anyone has a losing streak, it's Liko. She 0-3 now. It don't get why Liko is the only character of the 3 hasn't won a major battle yet.
@@516tigergirl In the long term, it's gonna be part of her character growth. At first, she battles just for fun or to help Terapagos. But after losing against Rika, she realizes how painful losing can be which will be motivation for her in the future.
@@skyblaster969 Roy is the only one who beats the gym leaders, and he deserves it as the battles are both rematches.
@@516tigergirlto be fair, she still has so much to learn while Roy and dot have a little bit more experience than her.
This far into Horizons I got kinda saddened that Roy was kinda left on the backburner even though that he and Liko were presented and marketed as the dual protagonists of the anime and even DOT was given better quality screentime than him but yeah… I’m glad he beat his gym leader.
I’m glad we finally got some Roy lore but at a cost of no Fuecoco evolution. I really hope Fuecoco doesn’t get the Ash’s Pikachu treatment.
Its weird cause it both feels like theyre obviously building up it evolving with the singing, but also i feel they would keep it as a fuecoco for the marektable cute little bean croc being comic relief bonus. But we'll see
I think they will rush through the evolution and move all the development it would have gotten via evolution to still being Fuecoco. The thing is, while Fuecoco is popular, and Skeledirge is even more so , Crocalor isn't, so they might basically skip development and stuff on the Crocalor stage and move straight to Skeledirge.
You think they will do an infernape where it stays in its middle stage for like 5 episodes@@arandomcommenter0135
@@arandomcommenter0135they will probably treat him like goodra where they are a in there middle stage for like 5 episodes
@@Gamershockzx2 or Charmeleon, cause Ash barely had it as a Charmeleon before it went to Charizard fast and disobeyed Ash even more
I’m CACKLING at the Quaxwell evolution reaction I was anticipating that and it did not disappoint
What most viewers seem to forget is that Liko Roy and Dot are supposed to be rookies and all the battles they lose make for great character development I have a feeling that by the time the Paldea arc is over they will become the powerhouse trainers we all wanted them to be finding the other Six Heroes and defeating the Explorers.
63+ episodes and they're this far behind, its inexcusable
then again maybe I'm being a little bit _too_ harsh...oh well, too bad
@@UltimatePhantasm Look at it this way the Gym Battles in this series are handled much better than Ash's were back when he was rookie in the Indigo League days when everyone just seemed to want to give him badges instead of earning them and I don't think it's fair to judge Liko Roy and Dot until the end of Horizons.
@@calebglasscock7392 oh, okay
kinda wish Liko just took things a bit more seriously in terms of training
@@UltimatePhantasm i mean they do. They trained quite a bit on the airship, well Roy and Liko did. But that was basically them just learning how to battle in general, training wheel stuff so to speak
@@UltimatePhantasm I mean some people in their world take years and years to even do one league. I think we were always shitting on Ash but he was always a skilled battler at least from Johto on. Liko and Roy not focused on battles as much as adventure would lead to them being far weaker. They train yes but they usually only battle when they must
Tbh, Houndstone has Fluffy as an ability, so it could excuse a bit, of how easily Fuecoco defeated him.
And I feel, that Grusha failed Liko not because of teaching a lesson, because she battled really well here.
But because he spits his own insecurities on her. Episode earlier stated of how Grusha is harsh on everyone including himself, believing result is more important. He broke his leg, so while he is still intact, he will never achieve the same results as before.
That's why he failed her. Because she showed a result and Grusha believes, Liko will not do any better anyway
As someone has already said, it's important to know you tried your best. But as someone else said, Liko did need to learn that in the future, if she loses, she loses, and that she's not always gonna end up getting a good end result.
@@Saint_kinyou could argue she already learned that though at the end of episode 45
I enjoyed the battles, but I’m annoyed that Tinkatink, Kilowattrel and Hattrem barely got to do anything
kilowattrel absolutely deserved to at least connect a hit like hattrem did
@@swift3520Kilowattrel actually managed to hit houndstone two or three times
@@MasterofChaldea015yeah but it never connected directly the way hattrem did
@@swift3520 Ok
@@Creeperdude440 pathetic
While I can definitely get behind Grusha being a wake up call of sorts for Liko (and by extension Dot and Roy too) I still can’t shake the thought that he failed as a gym leader not allowing Liko to rematch him, essentially telling her “you failed, give up” without giving any sort of advice for her to actually improve like what Ryme told Roy.
If any other gym leader (paldean or not) were there they would’ve torn into him for pushing such defeatist lessons instead of the growth mindset gym leaders are supposed to promote in trainers
This just felt like Grusha pushing his snowboarding trauma on a ten year old
Seriously. Grusha NEEDS to be reprimanded for his poor attitude.
I'm pretty sure this how it was supposed to feel
Better call Geeta, her Kingambit might teach that asshole a lesson.
Yeah definitely harshing the mellow. But that's fictional character angst for you, leads to juicy growth later
@@LogicalOrder6 guess what the real world doesn't give out second chances for free it has to be earned thats what Grushia is trying to show Liko. Example being when the explorer actually beat Liko and steal trappilicose
They need to confirm Dot is a main character at this point
Please!
I wonder how many hikkikomori here? /j
In my book, she is one now. I don't care what the "official sources" say.
Anybody else feel that every adaptation of Gen IX outside of games goes out of its way to pretend Violet does not exist?
I'm pretty sure the manga follows it
Pokémon Adventures Manga is actually more in context to Pokémon Violet.
Personally I just think the orange looks more appealing?
The anime didn't follow emerald, platinum or white
The manga makes you think Scarlet isn’t real.
I love the part buzz nooooooo when quaxly evolved
6:32 Zac's having Quaquaval PTSD
Say what you will about the evolutions, if you ask me it makes perfect sense for Dot to have Quaxly evolve into Quaxwell and inevitably Quaquaval either way given the fact that she's a streamer and those evolutions specifically are all about performance.
@@mbcmechachu Oh, definitely. It's just that it had to be Quaxly off all Pokemon.
6:51 That little fist bump was so wholesome. Plus, I told you her hairstyle looks just like Quaxwell
I think Sango and Onyx/Sidian aren't being silly but rather that they can't go all out anyways because they were ordered to keep a low profile. I'm also surprised you didn't mention the fact that the Kingambit episode was literally foreshadowed by Friede in the episode where Liko catches Hattena.
Also, regarding the lost battles. I honestly think it makes sense given the caliber of the opponents. Larry is an elite four member, Ryme is the oldest of the gym leaders and far more experienced as a trainer than Roy and Grusha is literally the eighth gym leader and pretty much was portrayed as a prodigy that found success as a pokemon training even after losing his original passion.
And I honestly don't think that Liko is at fault for what happened with Grusha. Roy and Dot were the ones that convinced her to go play with them and it's also clear that Grusha is the one with the character flaw. With him being overly harsh despite the fact that the implementation test being meant to assess their ability using terastalization, not raw power. Liko fought really well and made use of everything she has learned pretty effectively. It's Grusha the one pretty much unfairly projecting his own frustrations about his past on Liko. And it's not to say that being strong isn't important but Liko definitely wasn't being a pushover in that fight.
It honestly felt more as if Grusha's frustrations over his past got triggered after seeing Liko enjoying the same activity that he used to enjoy and being overly harsh as a result.
I think that, because of how things have gone in previous battles, I honestly didn’t expect the main cast to win in these battles anyway, which only led to me being confused by why Roy and Liko were failed, but this video helped clear it up. I appreciated getting to understand a bit more about Roy, but I was initially frustrated, thinking that both Rhyme and Grusha were just being written to be unusually harsh to drum up some drama. I honestly think that it’s the first time I’ve felt this way during Horizons.
The main cast about to have a Kieran arc with all the L’s they keep taking.
In all seriousness, I think that the biggest problem with the trio is that they just don’t train on their own volition unless the plot calls for it, especially when it comes to their other Pokemon. I’m guessing that the writers are so afraid of repeating what made JN so controversial that not only do the kids other Pokemon constantly get neglected in favor of their starters but they never mention that they at least trained offscreen.
@@neduegeh5859 i feel like friede himself (the person with two powerhouse pokemon that perform equally) would be the perfect person to call them out on it
So much for learning from their past mistakes
Laughed at the child labor bit lol
I dont understand why people want the trio to get strong so fast they are still beginners and they need time to grow Ash didn't even earn most of his badges and they were just handed to him when he first started his journey
Fr thank you
@@just_a_rebel8261 thank you!
That clip from Toy Story 2 you showef us your recation of Quaxly evolving was honestly priceless comedy gold
I still don’t like the hatred towards Quaxly’s evolved forms.
Roy's parents went to find the One Piece
They ain’t coming back
It's always good to here ypur reviewes Zac. I've even started picking up a habit of guessing the most likely score you'll give it before you give it based on your reviewes. It's... a 50/50 more or less.
Liko, Roy, and dot are the kinds of Pokemon trainers that only use their starters and have the other Pokemon gain experience through exp share
Still can't wait until the Amethio and Liko episode (also it's nice that this video came out the same day that PM7 reached 1m subs).
Hmmm…even if Liko could make an actual good strategy that would somehow Win against Grusha,…there is still the problem of convincing Grusha to let Her try again. Although while He is A Tough Nut to crack, it is NOT impossible to do so🤔
AGAIN really? Poor liko least they could hsve done was make her go up against the water gym leader insted of 2 types her team is week against does she not get a rematch like roy did?
Oh and look zac quaxly evolved it only need to evolve one more time to turn into your favorite paldea starter 😄
You do know he despised Quaquaval to the same extent as unfezant
@elji know ye i meant it as a joke ordinio7647
Tinkatink, Kilowattrel and Hattrem all gone dirty. I wasn't expecting them to win, but at least have more screen time or land some good hits or show off more of their moveset. I think Tinkatink was the best handled. It had a good counter for Glare and it forced Larry to swap to Staraptor. Hattrem had a cool moment when it used Confusion to send the Icicle Spear back to Cetitan and it looked it did some decent damage in the moment but that was it. Kilowattrel got done the dirtiest. It looked like it landed a partial hit of Spark on Houndstone but got two-shot shortly after and then Fuecoco defeated Houndstone very easily. Even Quaxwell and Floragato still struggled and didn't get one win. Kilowattrel wasn't even used in the training or rematch. I'm tired of seeing the starter trio get all of the screentime and development and training. I don't think they will even get a full team of 6 and I don't want to if they treated as bad or worse like the others. Horizons be like "You get a loss and you get a loss, everybody gets a loss".
@@Cheichei11 100% agree
I'm getting so fed up with it. And what they did with Kilowattrel is so insulting it's like they pretend he doesn't exist. Even Ash Pidgeotto had more screentime and was a good battler for the time he had. Just the scene alone when he hugged him to keep Ask warmth makes up for it
@@KgEclispe252 They better redeem their secondary mons soon, whats the point of a team if only one of the members gets full development while the others lag behind despite evolving
Lay off my Pladean starter and 6:52 can't believe you didn't react to Larry stretching just like Ash.
Also I found from another Pokémon fan channel that the song that Roy is singing a song called "5,6,7,8" by a British band named Steps.
12:34 this frame made me hallucinate. My brain saw Ash Ketchum.
Floragato being frozen solid was well done
Man Liko Roy and Dot really need to catch some more Pokémon
My favorite part up till now was when Rayquaza slaps Ceruledge down and just nuked him repeatedly with dragon pulses. I mean he was done when he got slapped down but Rayquaza had to remind him that you dont roll up on him solo like that and not get punished.
From Raifort's debut in the anime (and finally getting an official art) to Grusha's fleshed out backstory, I somehow feel this arc told us more about Paldea and its people than the games itself. Now Spinel's up in the next episode, I want to see what he did with the Eternal Blessings and that much needed Amethio v/s Spinel is coming, the wait's killing me..
Both wulfric and grusha had our protagonists thinking about life after their battle 💀
After this many episodes, I get the feeling that the Horizon writers have trouble trying to balance filler and story, not wanting to progress the story too much but also not dumping unnecessary filler.
Dot is the true protagonist of this series, she’s got the most character growth
SAY IT LOUDER 🗣
This is way better than pokemon Journeys. Change my mind.
I think no one's gonna challenge you on that. Horizon is way better than Journeys
I mean every other series is better than Journeys if you ask me, even BW.
@@Taydar if you don’t like the series, then why are you even here? plus why do you people want Liko Roy Dot to get stronger that when we have lots of season with them to learn and grow
@@Taydar Were literally at 63 episodes so far man like are you kidding and the series started in April 2023 and now were now Septmeber 2024
@@Taydar Well Ash’s journey was pretty unrealistic and making a Pokémon anime was still new to the writers then, now Pokémon are fixing the mistakes they made at the start for ashes journey by being more realistic with everything and that is learning to get stronger, well in that episode 63 Liko was thinking in Ash’s strategies, so she is getting better So you can’t say they’re going that slow
I’m still so mad Grusha failed her. She did better than her friends and they passed!
WE CONVERTING HIM! QUAXWELL SUPREMCY! LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Everybody loves Larry. And I hope lico makes progress towards becoming a better trainer, she has so much potential.
When it comes to the HZ trio's 1st Caught Pokemon's 1st Official Battles, I'd probably say Hattrem did the best out of Kilowattrel & Tinkatink. Her Confusion-controlled Icicle Spear Sendback attack & Spinning Collision between Ice Spinner & Brutal Swing were pretty good! And I definitely do hope that the opportunity arises for Another Liko vs Grusha to happen again given the next lineup of eps, so I'm on the edge of my seat in hopes that a silver lining of a comeback arises (I'd love it if it turns out that Geeta magically shows up & turns Grusha into an anxious worrywart when he's around her and makes him reconsider what he's done given he's so scared of La Primera)
- And all I can say in the end after this episode is that Grusha might have just added another new reason as to why he is one of my least favorite of Paldea Gym Leaders!!
Well, he's still hot, so he's got that going for him, I guess 🤷🏽♀
14:42-14:55 This is why Im subscribed you, Zactoshi!!!
I'm gonna be honest when i say I'm only catching up to the series because if your youtube channel thx man love your vids 😂❤
"This part of the course is gonna see how you use Terastalisation in 2v2 battles...so same as the 1v1 battles but with fodder"
If I had a nickel for every anime made 8th ice type gym leader ice hard battle to a protagonists, I got two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
Also if you had a nickel for every pessimistic ice type leader the protagonist had to face
Tbf it happened twice with dragon aswell
Love this video keep it up 😊😊😊🎉🎉
Bro I'm just waiting for them to each cath their 3rd pokemon
Liko vs Grusha kinda reminds me of the time where Ash challenged Wulfric and lost badly.
Wulfric was at least less cruel to Ash despite that
@@eljordinio7647 I would argue losing to Wulfric is more embarrassing though
@@wiseguy1512 at least there ash did get one KO whereas Liko got none
@@eljordinio7647 still lost to Abomasnow I’m sorry but that thing has SEVEN weaknesses. And you go at it with a water type and use CUT
Not saying this is better or worse just saying… they both did stupid stuff. I mean this was an Ash who was now a pro battler and he did that.
@@wiseguy1512 Greninja beat abomasnow in case you failed to watch properly
I want to see Liko shine and grow with full intense battles, i guess it will be a long journey. But i like Roy is more of Ash in the group. I want more training episodes and bonding episodes with their pokemon and capture more please
came for the Horizons reviews, stayed for the Zac drip
😂🔥
Makes me think of Seth Rollins
I’m starting to think Grusha is a little like Paul ya know? His criticism of the mc, believing results are everything even though Paul was more focused on power that contributes to results, though he’s kinder to his Pokémon but not challengers, the fact that he had an overwhelming victory against the mc and his realistic expectations of winning
One shots always catch me off guard but I think of it like Legends Arceus where a Piplup could one shot an alpha Electrode 😂😭
In my personal opinion liko seems to be like the type of trainer who'd perfer playing with her pokemon then having them battle and I think she'd rather get stronger by just bonding and playing then through battling
Poor Liko 😥
Losing undermines how hard you try? So what? Iris is trash for losing to Cynthia? I don’t think so!
If we listen to Elijordinio it would be like this
Hope we can see Ash mentoring Liko in her journey soon or sometime in the future. Really hoping for an aged Ash Ketchum.
Honestly, I was really hoping you would put the MoistCritikal wooooo sound effect somewhere hidden when he appeared
Making interesting fights is not the issue honestly, but I wish they caught more pokemon, I’m not asking for a full team, but I want more diverse match ups, like if Liko had a 3rd pokemon, there could be more interesting dynamics with Hattrem and said 3rd pokemon
6:31 EAT IT ZACH!!!!
Injust thought of something. Liko dot and roy could be representing the players that only use the starter for the entire game while the rest of the "team" is like lvl 10
실망하는 표정도 귀여운 리코짱💙💙💙
I had heat exhaustion a few days ago, so I could never commit to the winterwear bit like you. A mild case, but still. I hate the heat.
I'm glad to see that passing the test isn't easy, since the first four were all, "Battle, pass."
Even when Ash wasn't the best trainer he still valued training his Pokemon. Liko needs to adapt that mentality
It took Ash Like 270+ episodes to finally train his pokémon,cause i don't remember him doing any sort of Training in the OG Series xd
@@stampoulisrafael5262 He trained his cydanquil pretty well in that one episode
Indigo league would disagree, he failed here because he did not do this.
That is not just being unfair to them.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 From Orange Island to Journeys, Ash was training his team.
Technically Ash was going for pro Pokemon Trainer route, in real world, he is going pro at a sport, so training mentality is a must.
But Liko isn't so I guess that can be excused. But someone needs to talk to her that what she is going through is very dangerous (Possibly even more dangerous than Ash's own journey) where she will meet strong Pokemon and even EVIL people/organization, and that she needs to train for that.
If Fuecoco didn’t evolve that last ep Idk if he ever will. What more do you need to do to evolve into the 2nd stage. I enjoy we have seen these kids go from not knowing anything about battles to them actually taking it serious
Roy rematched Ryme without any healing inbetween.
They must've ate tonnes of Oran and Sitrus Berries in between.
Let's just hope they'll keep training hard enough because i'm sick and tired of seeing them taking some Ls and drops the Ws. I'd rather to see them get their comebacks than failed their test. Seriously Grusha, no need to be so harsh to yourself. SO IS the writers
How about this for a video, ranking the game Rivals. One for their teams (this includes the different teams depending on your starter as their own spot rather than combining them all together) and the characters themselves. Which Rival had the best team, and the best character.
Since I suggested it, I am putting my two cents for who should be where on the character list.
And it is gone.
Good point.
moiscritical warmup battle xD
Ya are the man of the culture xD
also there is a new unfezant
called roy's useless kilowattrel
9:45 I’m excited yet worried for the English dub when they get to this point and have Ryme do her rap, especially how Journeys back then had Ash and Goh do their own rap battle with the Slowkings (the cringe level from Sarah Natochenny and Zeno Robinson was immense)
Also looking forward to the next group podcast
Love snow Pokemon episodes
Hopefully we get to see Team Rocket’s Pokemon in 10 words or less
The Fuecoco getting lost is almost reminds me how iris axew but different
Idea! How about you rank all of the Pokémon Movies?
Buzz light-year 6:32 👨🏻🚀
Hey Zach since Ash has Pikachu and nimble which will evolve into lokix and koraidon maybe for future Ash in paldea videos maybe Ash should catch a gimmighoul and it will evolve into gholdengo and he would catch bounsweet it will be shy at first but when involved into steenee it will become a little more confident and when involved into tsareena it'll become a sister figure to The other pokémon and finizen and will eventually evolve into paladin and obviously koraidon so Zach I hope you like these ideas for pokémon for Ash to catch and everyone else like this comment and leave a reply to say what you think and don't forget to like and subscribe on zactoshi and zactoshi again I hope you like these ideas for Ash in paldea and keep up the good work and by the way I love your videos and I am a subscriber of yours.😀👍🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
was wondering when this was coming back
ARCEUS DAMMIT GRUSHA YOU HAD ONE JOB!!! ONE JOB!
Brutal Swing gives you armament haki, who needs any other pokemon when hattrem has HAKI (it looks like armament haki to me ik it isnt haki 💀)
when will you post the next batch when the third arcs complete
Wow, you must really hate Quaquaval with a burning passion
Welp someone had to carry the Ash losing streak flag.
Funny enough and this is just my own fanfiction I am planning on making. It's a crossover and Sonic being one of them, set in the pokemn world. Basically Sonic is the season 1 Ash, where he got overly cocky, underestimated certain battles and trainers, but mostly that he didn't evolve his pokemon during the time until later when he's pushed to his limit and someone gave him solid advice that it's not his pokemon that's the problem, it's him and not really connection with his team. Let alone their full potential.
im not gonna lie where the fuck is the pokemon center in hz it showed up once in the third episode and then the episode where they fight moltres and we’ve never seen it since😭
Can we get the Fuecoco evolution already?? It literally ties into the singing part with Skeledirge
We'll probably need a big moment since they already did "starter evolves in a gym battle" within these episodes. Though I'm gonna get peeved if it's another Grookey situation again.
@Zactoshi hello, huge fan! Quick question, will you make a video about your friend zanolith’s pokemon journeys rewrite series and see if it s better than the actual anime? When that series ends.
Still waiting on Kleavor and Entei.
I hated the fact the Roy's rematch wasn't 2v2. Why do they even have other pokemon if they are barely gonna be used?
Grusha doest give pity badges. He is cool for that alone.
@@avatardoom one might say he's not just cool… he's ice cold….I’ll see myself out
@@wiseguy1512 na you can stay 🤣
@@avatardoom but in all seriousness I'm with yah Grusha doesn't care if you fought hard… I actually really like that to him results matter
@@wiseguy1512 same I like that about him too. Like if people are gonna trash talk Ash for getting "pity badges" then we can't ignore these battles.
Oh yeah quaxly evolve into quaxwell
Buzz stop saying noooooooooo
It terms of giving Rhyme voice acting would be difficult as you would need voice actors and two, technical difficulties
Are there any games which have Terapagos in it?
I have a question? If all the battlefields are outside then what’s the point of the big gym building? What’s its purpose?
Maybe in case of weather… like if there's a windstorm going on your not gonna want to stand outside ontop of a mountain