The bond between dragons and their riders is remarkable! Syrax is crying out in pain during Rhae’s labor. Back in ep 3 Caraxes feels daemons pain when he got shot with the arrow. Arrax is responding to Luke’s fear, and Vhagar is responding to Aemond’s anger.
Not necessarily, if you followed all the dragons & their riders from this series. Sure, time & time again we see that dragons are sensitive, have a bond with their rider & mourn the loss of their rider/master. Except for one, which is very sketchy. Laenor didn't die, his death was faked. Did the writers of the show cut his dragon in on the plot, to stay put? If dragons had a pattern of bond with their rider/master, you would have seen Laenor's dragon follow him to sea. Which of course would tarnish a big part of the show's story line. One way or the other, Laenor's dragon doesn't fit the same pattern as suggested by the show or as you pointed out. Would he be fake mourning Laenor's death? Not give a crap about him? Or followed him to sea, proving to everyone that they were gullible fools? Or for us to be gullible fools to believe in that plot line, full of holes!?
@@Steve-eh4dbThe dragon wouldn't necessarily have followed him. The dragon calmly staying put could actually prove Laenor is alive. As it is, the dragon is just patiently waiting for Laenor to come home...as Laenor probably commanded him to do. (Because having a dragon following you around would kill the anonymity you were looking for!) Now, if he accepts a new rider with Laenor still alive, then you have a story hole.
@@piggyvkc You're funny by not evaluating the situation the other way around. In comparison, we have had at least 3 different dragons in GOT & in this show, wailing away that their riders have died or have had something close to them die. You're living in a vacuum, making excuses for poor writing, as if there are no people around, such as family members to witness that his dragon is not wailing away, as he should have, as we have learned that it is always the case in these shows. As noted here in the comment, "The bond between Dragon & their rider." The dragon doing nothing, but hanging around, as you suggest, should speak volumes to Laenor's family, most of which are dragon riders & have vast experience as to how dragons behave after the loss of their rider. One thing is for sure, they don't stay put & wait around, if their rider had supposedly died, the behavior as you suggest, should not go unnoticed.
Both Luke and Aemond said “Serve me Arrax/Vhagar”. Neither of them listened to their masters! Well, Daenerys And Viserys actually talked about this; Dany: “A dragon is not a slave.” Viserys: "The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion”
Dragons aren't toys to play with. Aemond forgot this and Luke paid the price. He actually thought it was a good idea to use an ancient war dragon to scare another rider with his little dragon..
who wouldn’t though logically use their dragon the way they want, they think they’re pets lol. He’s a 16 year old who learned a lesson … but it’s not like he would have known better non of them have been in war or know dragons aren’t just theirs to use (the way targs are raised to think lol)
@@LS13. indeed, no one has seen real war since the time of Maegor. Viserys too only knows knows not to mess with dragons because of his elders like Jaehaerys and others. Not to mention many of Viserys’s aunts died tragically (although not by dragons but we can take Aerea; Jaehaerys niece for example who returned from old Valeria on Balerion the dread and dies from illness because of which Jaehaerys had to ban the family from ever going to old Valeria). Viserys is likely to blame for not teaching his kids with Alicent. Had he actually cared to look after his kids properly things wouldn’t have turn out like that. He failed both as a father and a king.
Daemon's song to Vermithor: Fire breather Winged leader But two heads To a third sing From my voice The fires have spoken And the price has been paid With blood magic With words of flame With clear eyes To bind the three To you I sing As one we gather And with three heads We shall fly as we were destined Beautifully, freely
Min 31:00 That dragon is Vermithor! He is one of those dragons that Daemond said are "unclaimed". Vermithor was previously ridden by King Jaehaerys Targaryen, who sat on the Iron Throne immediately before Rhaenyra's dad, so he isn't as unpredictable as a wild dragon, but he's still been riderless for about 25 years since the king died. Vermithor is around 100 years old. He's also the second largest dragon after Vhagar so If Daemon is able to mount Vermithor, it would prove an exceptional boost to the Blacks' chances in their war against the Greens. vermithor is also very close to Silverwing, a female dragon (another dragon Daemon said is unclaimed) , which was Queen Alysanne's dragon. It's said that they (Vermithor and Silverwing) nest together. So gaining the trust of one would help towards the other. Daemon is thinking with his long term brain. At that scene Daemon was actually singing a promise to vermithor that he would find him a new rider and he could roam the skies once more, the translation of the song : Fire breather / Winged leader / But two heads To a third sing. From my voice: The fires have spoken / And the price has been paid / With blood magic. With words of flame / With clear eyes / To bind the three / To you I sing. As one we gather / And with three heads / We shall fly as we were destined / Beautifully, freely.
Just to add to that, jahaerys used to sing that song to his grandchildren as well as vermithor. Vermithor had killed any rider who tried to mount him after jahaerys, so Daemon was singing the same song to show that he's kin. Good explanation ☺️
The dragon locked within the Dragonmount is Vermithor, “The Bronze Fury”. It was the old king Jaehaerys’s dragon, and has been riderless since his death 30 years ago. Daemon knows the Valyrian lullaby Jaehaerys used to sing to Vermithor to calm him down, and is using it to try and get him used to human contact again. Daemon is often considered “the Last Dragonlord” for his unparalleled knowledge and ability when it came to dragons.
Daemon was wrong for choking rhaenyra and also right about the whole situation. He knows otto better then anyone and knows eventually peace won’t be possible with the greens. Daemon tried to warn visery in episode 1 about otto but visery chose not to listen and look where everyone is at now because of Viserys being naive. Daemon was also seeing rhaenyra making the same mistake as viserys. Yes it’s “noble” but it will get them all killed just like her being naive and sending her son to his death. Proving daemon being right all episode . Being noble in this world ends up getting you killed. Daemon understands that and is trying to keep his remaining family alive. You don’t gotta like him to realize that by the end of the episode
Luke's death was not a result of Rhaenyra's naivety but Aemond's stupidity. This is just hindsight speaking. It was a wise decision although i feel she should've sent Deamon to storm's end instead as Luke was too easily intimated.
teamdaemon because he is the only one who knows that the hightowers have been the problem from the beginning he told his brother I will take care of anyone but his brother I never trust him and there is the result that is what I like about daemon's character because that he can be good or bad with anyone but the only thing that matters to him is his family and he does everything possible to protect them
During Rhaenyra's miscarriage she kept calling Daemon and he didn't go to her because he was afraid of having to make the same decision that led to Laena's death, while Rhaenyra didn't want the help of anyone because she did remember her mother's final moments so she didn't let others do it for her...
If that’s how you want to interpret it, it’s an interesting way to see it. I personally don’t think so- I think his relationship with Rhaenyra is different, and the circumstances are different as well.
The amount of justification Daemon's character get when at the end of the day it's obvious he is just a shit husband cause of his impulsive and bullheaded personality 👌💀😂
@@LS13. it is different but what they've shown in past episodes that he cares a lot about his family and that's the only stuff that makes him vulnerable. He was not able to look at viseyrs and he could not make decision for Leana. Same goes here, when rhneryra shouted him name, he looked almost afraid
23:39 DAEMON is wrong for Choking Rhaenyra 100%. He's right about the situation though. They needed to act quickly and force a surrender. He knows OTTO , he knows he'll do anything, Peace won't be an option even if Rhaenyra accepts it, they'll always be under threat by Otto. He's trying to save what's left of his Real family. Daemon warned Viserys about Otto, he didn't listen and look what happened. Rhaenyra is making the same mistake. Also It's funny to me how people just ignore the pain of Daemon. You don't have to like him. I don't love Daemon but he's right about this situation.
Daemon doesn’t choke Rhaenerya because she isn’t keen on jumping straight into war. He chokes her out of jealousy, hurt and frustration that his brother King never took him as a serious contender to be heir.
i find it funny that some people get more upset at daemon than rhaenyra did. did he have to do it ? no , but he did not do it with full force he was trying to make her understand that it does not matter what she thinks the enemy is already pushing them into war. daemon told his brother not to trust otto way back , and you know daemon loves his family he would not hurt her. the kids may be dragon riders but them and their dragons have never been to war. only daemon and his dragon , along with vhagar. the dragon daemon was trying to tame has seen war too vermathor, who is just as big as vhagar.
Yeah I don't get why people seemed shocked by it.... it was totally in character for him. He literally killed a messenger. He killed his wife. And he wasn't even trying to harm Rhaenyra, he was trying to get his point across in his Daemon way.
Season one of HOD was just incredible. It completely surpassed my expectations. I love how they really got into women and birthing and how chaotic it was. In the first episode Emma said basically birth was their battlegrounds. I loved how they showed that aspect for women. The music was AMAZING. Just loved every second of this new series.
Rhaenyra saying to Daemon “he never told you” is cool for two reasons: Daemon was technically meant to be heir until Rhaenyra was born (and even after in some ways since women ruling doesn’t usually happen) so it’s a subtle jab but it’s also a confirmation for her that the successor was always meant to be her. That prophecy was only meant to be told to the true heir and by finding out Viserys never told daemon, it confirms he never saw daemon or anyone else as his true successor but Rhaenyra
It's not exactly a confirmation that she mas "meant" to be heir... One doesn't automatically make the other true... Viserys never having actually considered Daemon as a successor and not telling him about the "dream", doesn't meant that Rhaenyra was always meant to be heir... Viserys never told Daemon about the dream and never considered as heir because he was focused and overly sure that he would eventually have a male heir and that kid would be the heir, the one he was going to "pass the secret" to... So yes, Viserys never saw Daemon as heir, but it doesn't mean what you think it means for Rhaenyra; we all watched the first episode, Viserys was obsessed with having a male heir, that's why he never considered Daemon as next in line, it was always going to be his future son... When that didn't happen and Viserys relationship with Daemon deteriorated and broke, because of Daemon's comments, then he turned to Rhaenyra... But the reality is that if Daemon would've been smarter and more careful, he would've continued being the heir and if Viserys never had another boy with another women, Daemon would've ended up getting the information about Aegon's dream
@@Alewaxon He didnt tell Daemon because he had still hopes to have a male heir to whom to tell the profecy when he grew enough. In fact, he didnt tell Rhaenyra until right after Baelon died alongside her wife. He got fearful of never actually having a male heir and thus chose her daughter and told her instead. So there is not confirmation that it was meant to be her at all.
@@Alewaxon Jon, Daenerys, Faegon, Robert, Renly and Stannis all come from rhaenyra's lineage, one of them is azor ahai, so technically rhaenyra was meant to be heir
@@Alejojojo6 Exactly, that's my point... One thing doesn't make the other true: Viserys never actually having considered Daemon as his heir doesn't mean that Rhaenyra was "meant to be heir" like the comment suggested... We know the reasons why Viserys never told Daemon, it's because he always pursued the idea of having his own male heir.
Daemon can't claim Vermithor bc he already has a bond with Caraxes.... so I think Daemon is just singing King Jahaerys' lullaby in an attempt to get Vermithor used to being around humans again after being alone in the Dragonmont for decades. That way it will be a tiny bit easier for someone else to attempt to claim him.
That wasn't D&D's "failure" I believe... I don't think either of those characters you named walked around with a crown at any point in the books either, not Robb when he called himself king in the north; him and also Jon would not care about something as silly as a crown... And even Daenerys in the books never cared about a crown in all that time that she "ruled" in the other side of the narrow sea... In turn, the 2 different crowns in this show are key features straight from the source material
@@Alewaxon it was. Daenerys wears a three headed dragon crown, around book 5. "A crown wrought in the shape of a three-headed dragon. The coils are yellow gold, the wings silver, the heads carved from jade, ivory, and onyx." - ADWD Robb also started wearing a crown when he was named king in the north, the crown was forged by Hoster Tully's smith, according to the books "An open circlet of hammered bronze incised with the runes of the First Men, surmounted by nine black iron spikes wrought in the shape of longswords. It is said to look much the same as the one worn by the historical Kings in the North from House Stark." - ACOK even jeyne westerling (Robb's wife) started to use a crown. it's not a matter of "caring or not", they're kings and queens, they should wear a crown. the thing is that d&d prob wanted to make them look humble, especially the starks, in the books is described that they would were fine clothes with colourful steel and jewelry, but in the show they wore just leather. Jon is no king in the north yet, but he'll definitely wear a crown too.
@@Nihilanth I stand corrected, thank you for reminding me those details... I still think that it fails to be relevant or even important for that story, it's just aesthetics... Like I said, in this show, both crowns have very cemented and intricate correlations with the story it self... With the civil war, the symbols of each faction, etc... A crown for Robb, Daenerys or Jon, would've added little to nothing to the story; those items had no history or ties to events... If Daenerys or Robb, for example, were to find or recover their respective long lost ancestral crowns (either Aegon's or Jahaerys' and the old crown of the Kings of Winter) then it would've carried historical significance
Arrax was afraid and his natural instincts took over and he attacked Vhagar, which lead to Vhagar ‘s instincts to take over and she attacked back. Both animals were acting completely on their survival instincts ..poor Arrax, he had no chace against that killer beast
Aegon’s dragon is Sunfyre. Aemond’s is Vhagar. Helaena’s is Dreamfyre. And Daeron (Alicent & Viserys’ youngest child whom we have yet to meet) rides Tessarion
In the Game of Thrones books, Daenerys describes quite a bit about her bond with the dragons and their natural reactions to threats, something like "as a mare turns away from her master's whip, the dragon opposes, snarling and seeking out that which annoys him, determined to cut him down" Not exactly the words, but I understand from it that it is in the nature of dragons to stand or fight, it takes a good training of their bond for the rider to persuade the dragon.
So couple things regarding how things went down between Lucarys and Aemond. Viserys & Daenerys said it best. From one we get this gem. “The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion. They’re a power man never should have trifled with.” And from the other we also have this one. “A dragon is not a slave.” There is honestly a lot that can be unpacked from how this scene played out, especially if you’re up to date on your dragon lore via the books and Game of Thrones tv series. But without giving you a novel of lore I will just say you’re right. Vaghar took matters into her own hands… as did Arax when he shot his shot at her eye. To put it simply, the lads were never in control of the dragons so they did not lose their control. The bond with their dragons is more akin to a partnership instead of master/slave or boss/employee and in the case of Arax and Vhagar they more or less decided to override their partners take/opinion/stance on the situation :/ For starters, a dragons first instinct is always to fight … not flight. Bringing a dragon to any conversation is not unlike bringing a loaded gun with a mind of their own. You just don’t do it unless you are absolutely certain the safety is on and that you can keep it on. You never have that certainty with a dragon. Not without having the bond and years of experience to back it up and even then-- it’s no guarantee. Secondly-- in this situation arguably Arax swung first and Vhagar responded accordingly. But-- not before Aemond decided to f around and literally use her to strafe Lucarys and Arax multiple times and snap at them. You have to remember Arax is still a very young dragon, it’s why he’s so small, especially compared to Vhagar and her being a literal behemoth. You also have to keep in mind that being young means HE IS ALSO V INEXPERIENCED. This is likely the first time the young dragon has been in a combative situation and on a fear level terrified to the point where he broke away from his rider’s command to respond to the threat he felt. I can speak similar for Vhagar. Putting her up against Arax is basically the same as pulling up a tank to a twig. Vhagar is an old lady babes. She wasn’t here to play Aemond’s game the second the young gun decided to actually try it. She wasn’t about to listen to anything Aemond said after that. Vhagar is also a G and a whole veteran of 2-3 wars I believe. Now compare that to lil Arax’s experience…. Yeah. Then there’s the bond itself… Aemond has only had Vhagar 6 years. Neither he nor Lucarys are the most experienced riders or have had the time/experience needed to bond as deeply with their dragons as say Rhaenys and Melys who clearly has a lot more say in her partnership with her dragon then the boys have with their own. You also gotta take the bond further into consideration when you think about how the lads were feeling during the scene. A dragons bond with their riders is magical, telepathic in a way, they can feel their rider’s pain and their emotions. If Aemond was angry, was having fun, and had truly malicious intent, so did Vhagar. And if Lucarys was as terrified as I imagine he was, Arax was as well. Finally the size and the weather. Now normally Vhagar’s size would mean she’s maybe not slower once in air but certainly not nearly as agile as a dragon like Arax. In a normal situation Arax probably could have outmaneuvered Vhagar and escaped like he did ducking into that trench. The only problem was they were at/near Storm’s End. You saw what the weather is like and Arax is still a small young dragon. It likely took a lot for him just to keep himself and Lucarys in the air safely even before Vhagar started chasing them. The stormy skies and wind literally took what small advantage Arax might have had away where Vhagar is so big her wings could easily handle it. In the end, no matter what Aemond MEANT to do here, he is at fault for this ‘accident’ given he brought Vhagar to ‘only scare’ his nephew. Dude effed around, and found out. I’m sure it’s a lesson he’ll remember till the end of his days given the consequences of it.
I actually thought Lucerys performed very well for a rather nervous 14-year-old. He didn't quail before the obnoxious and domineering Lord Borros; he kept his cool; his responses to Aemond's aggression and threats in Storm's End were proper/justifiable given his station. He did his best to reassure the frightened Arrax, given that Lucerys himself was alone and about to fly off in a bad storm with the largest known dragon, ridden by the uncle who threatened to mutilate him, was out there somewhere. And when that dragon-and-uncle attacked them aloft in the rain, Lucerys did not panic; he did his best to direct Arrax in maneuvers that would enable them both to survive (I would have been a screaming, tearful wreck). It's really not his fault that Arrax, still quite young and increasingly agitated by the attack and pursuit from a dragon five times his size, spat fire at the huge Vhagar in their defense. It was the fault of Aemond, not Vhagar and not Lucerys or Arrax. Saying that 'control of our dragons is an illusion' is such a cop-out. The dragons didn't go burn alive a few thousand men on the Field of Fire just because they thought that fried humans would make for good eating and there no sheep available anywhere; they did it because Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters directed them to do so. Ditto Aegon directing Balerion to burn Harrenhal and the people inside it by dive-bombing the castle. And Vhagar herself didn't seek out the child Aemond as a companion; he found her and claimed her, impressing and bonding with her with the force of his personality. Dragons are not slaves; but they're not as smart as humans, at least they have not yet demonstrated as high a level of intelligence. They are less tractable than dogs; but perhaps more capable of quasi-mystical, empathic bonds with their riders. Aemond, who seems to be an intelligent young man, should be aware of the degree to which Vhagar picks up and reacts to his emotions, and should have known the dangerous game he began that night. Unless, as I believe, Aemond reallly did want to hurt or kill Lucerys, at least on a subconscious level and possibly on a conscious level as well, as in thoughts such as 'I want to kill him, even though I shouldn't'/'I'm going to make the bastard pay'...
@@gailf1617 my guy I never said that Lucerys didn’t do well with the situation as it played out or that at the end of it all ultimately Aemond is at fault for bringing Vaghar, a literal veteran of multiple wars to PLAY GAMES with his nephew only to find out that if you play stupid games with weapons of war the prizes you win aren’t only stupid but horrifying. Now as for the dragons… We get a line in game of thrones from Tyrion contradicting them not being as smart as humans. And as for the idea that their bonded riders have control over them-- there are multiple examples in both the show and books with Daenerys & Drogon that showcase now matter how deep the bond it is just that, a bond-- not absolute control or obedience. I never once said Aemond was not who was ultimately at fault for what happened. Vaghar may have been who murdered Luce and Arax but in the end had Aemond not used her to chase them-- the chain of events that put Vaghar in a position to do so wouldn’t have happened.
Fun fact. At the Small Council, they were discussing Lord Grover Tully of Riverrun, ancestor of Catelyn, Edmure, and the Blackfish. It's fun and interesting to note the names of Lord Grover's grandson, Elmo Tully, and Elmo's sons, Oscar and Kermit. They are Lord George R.R. Martin's nod to Sesame Street and the Muppets.
After season 5, 6, 7 and 8 of GoT, I wasn't exited at all for all of these spin-offs and shows, but this show actually managed to reach the same level of quality as the first 4 seasons, and feels reminiscent of the books. I'm looking forward to following your reactions for season 2 in a few years!
It's interesting. Someone on another channel pointed this out. Everyone is surprised at Daemon acting violently towards Rhaenyra (I think in a moment of grief and anger) but he did in fact murder his first wife. For me his actions are in line with his character, but I know a lot of people were upset that the writers made him do that.
Damon killed his previous wife with a rock, killed some innocent servant so he could marry Rhaenyra, did a bunch of messed up stuff but now people are like "oh my god this is unforgivable, I lost respect for him". Like c'mon you saw all the red flags since the beginning, why would he be any different now?
None of that was in the books, and he had fans before this show, heck he is the favorite targereyan of george, made of equal parts white and black. But the showrunner are trying to turn him into a psychopathic villian.
It is because of Budget, the showrunners used the same scene from episode 2, and Vermax's baby head is also from episode 6. It will both be corrected in season 2. Dont worry
I just love how they don’t come straight out and explain what is happening with the dragon bonds. It’s so much more interesting and better storytelling to just show us and leave it up to us to interpret. God it’s such a good show
First of all, I just want to tell you how much I truly adore you. Your reactions are so genuine and heartfelt. You are such a strong woman who radiates the Feminine, and I recognize you as soul family. I’m so glad I came across your channel ❤ Now…regarding Daemon: The first time I watched that scene I got immediately defensive, mama-bear style. But as I contemplated on the scene and the story as a whole, it is very in line with Daemon’s character in my opinion. Again, like you said, I’m in no way defending his actions; I think we all are aware that domestic violence is a no-no. But from a writing and storytelling standpoint, it makes sense. Daemon has always been portrayed as someone who deeply loves his family, but also as someone with a short fuse and a big ego, who will not hesitate to resort to violence. Having just lost his brother, whom he believes was murdered, and his unborn child with Rhaenyra, he’s experiencing a tremendous amount of grief. His inability to grieve properly causes him to lash out, in attempt to quell that loss he feels. It’s an unhealthy coping mechanism for sure, but it’s one he has been shown to utilize previously. So yeah, it’s very in line with his character. Once Daemon gets his mind set on something, he gets tunnel-vision. His brother is now dead, believed by Daemon to have been murder, and his wife, now rightful ruler of the realm, is simply trying to pacify the situation while Daemon sees the Greens actions as already declaring war. And I absolutely agree with that; high treason to this extent is clearly an act of war. Daemon’s rage and hate and grief are clouding his judgement, which is already biased towards hostility and aggression. It’s part of who he is. An unbalanced display of the Masculine with no tempering by the Feminine will lead to carnage, and Rhaenyra seems to understand that. The Masculine and Feminine are two sides of the same coin and neither can function efficiently when they’re imbalanced. Without the Masculine, the Feminine loses touch with the physical world in a sense. And when I say Masculine and Feminine, I’m referring to the archetypes of the Divine Masculine and Divine Feminine, not men and women. Every person has both forces within them. Life is a beautiful dance of duality. And that’s partly why I appreciate and enjoy this show so much; it illustrates this concept beautifully in my opinion.
Dragons are living nukes!! U can't just take a literal War Machine to pull a Prank on your Nephew and expect for him to live. They are not toys, Especially his Dragon Vhagar who have seen most War than all the other Dragons Combined at this Time. Oldest, Biggest Dragon, a Veteran of atleast 100 Wars.
Thank you for the reaction❤❤❤❤. What disturbed me with some people especially who hasn’t read the books and they hate Rhaenyra children because they are not from her husband (not sure how to write his name) but love John Snow because I never read the books so I actually thought John was Ned son but I loved him the same with Rhaenyra children since it’s not their fault and also not her fault since she couldn’t get pregnant by her husband. And to hate Lucerys cutting his uncle eye to save his brother with out knowing if his uncle would actually kill his brother or not he was a scared kid I understood all children so I didn’t hate them, but what I hate is Aemond he took Vhagar an old dragon who went through war to Prank a kid with smaller dragon is just stupid to me. I am sorry I wrote an essay 😂😂😂.
It's the double standard that so many still hold that it's ok for a man to cheat but not a woman (even if it's with the consent of her husband) As far as I'm concerned Rhaenyra's kids' claim come through their connection to her regardless of who their father was (and in the books the claim to Driftmark was settled much earlier with Jac & Luc being betrothed to Baela and Rhaena since the girls were two, ensuring the Velaryon blood remained in the family line)
@@vadalia3860 For example I didn’t see people make a beg deal with Cersei for not having the king children she cheated and had children from her brother but when Rharnyra had children from someone else with her husband knowledge after they couldn’t have children together people hated her for having children from some one els. I feel people hated old Rhaenyra because they changed the actress, so whatever the character do they hate her even though for me she actually the best mother at the moment because Allicent is not a great mother she use her children like how her father used her I only fell bad for her daughter Helaena. And it is disturbing that people says it is good if (I don't like to say the b word) Rhaenyra children die like how can people be like this because it is not the children fault for being the children from another guy and also not the parents fault for not being able to have children. Thank you for the comments🥰🥰🥰🥰.
Let's be real Daemon would've 100% killed the Strong Boys for Valeryian blood purity, and to see his sons on the throne. He prolly hates the Strong Boys as much as our Aegon, Aemon and Daeron lol. Also the most hilarious part in all this is the fact that since Laenor is still alive in show-verse, Rhaenrya and Daemon's marriage is illegal. Therefore Aegon III and Viserys Ii are illegitimate bastards.
By choking Rhaenyra Daemon wanted her to stop behaving like her dad but he understood that she is her father more than he thought and this is frustrating because he had to win wars for Viserys so he can keep his peace and Rhaenyra is now doing the same even when war already started.
It wasn't Arrax's fault. Vhagar was chasing him and trying to bite him, which can kill him. Aemond made Vhagar think it was a battle, and Arrax was only defending himself and Luke.
"Zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor." (A dragon is not a slave.) ~Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen, First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals, the Roynar, and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, Kaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, The Mother of Dragons, the Unburnt, Breaker of Chains. "The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion. They are a power men should never have trifled with." ~Viserys Targaryen, titles, titles, titles... "There has never been a Stark who forgot an oath." Two words...Robb Stark Rhaenyra would never harm Alicent's children...She's not that guy. 😉 As for that ending. They had originally planned for Daemon to come in and tell Rhaenyra and they would have a discussion about what to do next, but Matt Smith came in and pulled her away from the shot, whispered into her ear, and she turned around with that look upon her face. Apparently, Matt Smith impulsively took direction of the shot and just told her to give them a look, and she did, and it was brilliant!
The page Otto gave to Rhaenyra from Rhaenyra was to symbolize how Nymeria fled Valyrian freeholds with her people, Alicent was basically telling Rhaenyra to run with her people (her kids and Daemon) the same way Nymeria fled with her people
THE CURRENT DRAGONS: (The ones in square brackets are too young to matter, so Daemon doesn‘t count them.) The Greens: - Vhagar (Aemond), the last living dragon from Aegons conquest, and the largest one alive - Sunfyre „The Golden“ (Aegon), said to be the most beautiful dragon alive - Dreamfyre (Helaena), potentially the mother of Daenerys‘ dragons - Tessarion „The Blue Queen“ (Daeron, third Son of Viserys and Alicent, didn‘t appear in the show yet since he‘s in Oldtown, but will next season), still young [- Shrykos (Jaehaerys, eldest son of Aegon and Helaena), still a child dragon and never ridden] [- Morghul (Jaehaera, eldest daughter of Aegon and Helaena), still a child dragon and never ridden] The Blacks: - Caraxes „The Bloodworm“ (Daemon) - Syrax (Rhaenyra) - Meleys „The Red Queen“ (Rhaenys) - Vermax (Jacaerys) - Arrax (Lucerys), R.I.P. - Tyraxes (Joffrey) - Moondancer (Baela) [- Stormcloud (Aegon, eldest son of Daemon and Rhaenyra), still a child dragon and never ridden] - Seasmoke (belonged to Laenor), should‘t be reclaimable until his rider is actually dead interestingly - Vermithor „The Bronze Fury“ (unclaimed, belonged to The Old King Jaehaerys), the second largest after Vhagar but much younger and only slightly smaller, so might just be the strongest one alive - Silverwing (unclaimed, belonged to The Good Queen Alysanne, the wife of Jaehaerys), said to nest with Vermithor - Sheep Stealer (wild), got his name from his preference for mutton - Grey Ghost (wild), rarely seen and I guess not that large, actually I don‘t know shit about this one - The Cannibal (wild), got his name because he attacks and eats other dragons, said to have resided on Dragon Stone even before the Targaryens came to Westeros, a cruel huge black beast
Targaryen's are followers of The Sevens. Only on paper perhaps but Aegon The Conqueror converted to the Faith of The Seven. Although, Daemon & Rhaenyra got married as per Valerian customs she married Laenor as per the Sevens.
It's always funny to me how people reacts to the choking scene. Eventhough DAEMON NEVER DID THAT IN THE BOOKS . But let me reminds you, Daemon nickname is The Rogue Prince. Not The Prince Charming. Even Rhaenyra knows Daemon was capable of depravity (on the beach scene in eps 7) but she still wants to marry him because she knows Daemon really well. I'm not saying what he's doing is right. But i'm glad Daemon stay with Rhaenyra til the end.
I agree with you about Daemon. That move was not ok. Daemon is not very likeable... nor is he a good guy (very few of the Targaryans are truly good). That doesn't mean that he's a bad character. He is very interesting and charismatic (thanks to Matt Smith no doubt). He can be right at times as much as he can be wrong. And he can do some good things. But he is at best an anti-hero with a very dark side. We saw that all throughout the season. The way he used the City Watch to butcher "criminals" in the street. The fact that he killed his first wife. The way he beat a messenger bloody in the Step Stones because he didn't like what the message said. And the fact that he would challenge his queen's commands in front of everyone at court (something that the pseudo-fandom hated when Sansa did it to Jon... perhaps a bit of misogyny there), shows that Daemon is a loose cannon who cares not who he offends. I don't like Daemon as a person. But as a character...I can't wait to see what he does next.
@@Nihilanth Ahh...we meet again!! You swore to avoid me because you thought I was too "dumb" to talk to... simply because I don't agree with you. And yet, you keep showing up on my comments to express yourself. Ironically, my comment about misogyny had less to do with Sansa, and much more to do with Rhaenyra. When it was Jon the King who was being publicly questioned, the Fandom worked themselves into a lather. Yet when Rhaenyra the Queen gets very aggressively challenged, there's hardly a reaction. Hope that clears it up for you.
"It's so funny what Otto says, that in the book when Aegon II was crowned many of the people of Kings Landing were crying and were confused until a voice came out saying "Long Live The Queen"."
"She was my only daughter, and they killed her. They stole my crown and murdered my daughter, and they shall answer for it.” - Rhaenyra "On Dragonstone, Queen Rhaenyra collapsed when told of Luke's death. [...] As the black council sat to consider how to strike back, a raven arrived from Harrenhal. "An eye for an eye, a son for a son," Prince Daemon wrote. "Lucerys shall be avenged."
@@AnkitSingh-cd7tw yeah she became food to that golden cricked, while the usurper cunt of a king didn't even get the chance to have a dragonrider death 💀
Rhys steals every scene he's in, but they intentionally or unintentionally made Otto look such a badass in that scene 😩😭! He didn't even flinch at Syrax 😭. *"The succession changed the day your father sired a son. I only regret that you and he were the last to see the truth of it." * Cold & deep cut! Meanwhile Blackcels were fawning over Rhaenyra and Daemon's 2nd grade temper tantrum "omgg she took his badge!!" 😭😭😭. Perfect eg. of logic vs emotion.
I see it as that he knows Rheanyra will not kill him and will try to resolve everthing peacefuly because she is a Queen and queens dont kill messengers unlike the Hightower's.
After Vhagar, Vermithor is the biggest, oldest, fiercest, and most battle hardened dragon alive. He was ridden by old King Jaehaerys till his death and has lived at Dragonstone in a lair in the Dragonmont, most likely with Silverwing. Silverwing was ridden by Queen Alysanne, Jaehaerys' sister/wife, and has also lived in a lair at the Dragonmont since Alysanne's death. It's is said the two dragons coil together, like Caraxes sings love songs to Syrax...Dragon love.
"She was my only daughter and they killed her, they stole my crown and murdered my daughter, they shall answer for it." - Rhaenyra Targaryen in Fire and Blood
Even though Aemond clearly didn't intend to go as far as purposefully kill Luke, I still think it's fair to say that Aemond killed Luke. Vhagar was close to killing Luke and Arrax multiple times before Aemond lost control of Vhagar, and even with all these close-calls, he never backed off. What did he think would happen? When would it have been enough? Aemond has every right to be upset that he was permanently maimed, but Luke was eight when it happened, and he thought Aemond was going to kill Jace. Aemond doesn't need to "let it go" I think, but demanding an eye in return is completely unreasonable, and wouldn't be just. I'm sorry no one helped Aemond cope better with what he went through, but this is still 100% on him.
despite being a really loyal creatures and has strong bond with their riders to the point they could even know what their riders want without saying ajy words and can feel their emotions in fact the dragons have emotions and personalities in their own and sometimes this emotion is so strong they completely ignore their riders will and act in their own arrax felt really angry because it was being hunted like that so he decided to attack in his own in the other hands vhaegar was so angry due to the fact that a little dragon isn't even 1/5 of its size actually dare to attacks her so she go mad and decided to ignore aemond's will and kill both luce and his dragon
Dragon isn’t a slave, and an illusion to think so. People get angry with Aemond (yeah he f up) but don’t know he was still a teen himself when it happened lol though he should have known better- but many get angry that he was the full reason of the war. Imo he jumpstarted a war that would have happened anyways since daemon would never let it rest if his immediate blood wasn’t on the throne. The events have already begun. The whole rider and dragon connection is amazing and so much could be done with it
@@perseusveil9376 abuse is something different. There is a reason why so many women are simping for characters like Daemon (or Damon and Klaus from Vampire Diaries)
@@nadinefeiler9204 Yeah, the reason being Matt Smith is attractive, just like Adam Driver and others playing this kind of character. Put an non attractive dude (id say ugly but I think Matt already is) doing the things Daemon does and it goes, like the meme, from flirting to harassment. There's also a reason why the daemyra fandom entered full copium consumption and full damage control after the episode. If strangling your wife because you don't like her decisions and attitude isn't abusive, then wow, thats a scary take on your part.
@@zer0phasez it is to a certain degree. He shares a lot of character traits with the dragons. Quick tempered, aggressive, hard or even impossible to fully control, violent... Violence is so much a part of Demon's personality that you must be aware that even if he may love you, some of it will be directed at you eventually.
Whats interesting is Rhaenyras favorite targ was Visenya who rode Vhagar- she even named her daughter (rip) after her, but Visenyas dragon kills her son
44:40 Nobody is gonna tell you to be open minded about Choking a woman, if they do they have some problems. If anything they'll tell you to be open minded about DAEMON and his Pain, he was 100% about OTTO , Viserys chose to ignore it, ignore him. He's 100% right again Now about OTTO who was ready kill Daemon , Rhaenyra, the kids etc. He knows Otto's made moves already & that Blacks are on the backfoot. They'll never be safe untill they force the greens to Surrender but Rhaenyra is making choices like Viserys. It'll get them killed because Otto will see to it that Aegon's Throne is secure one way or another and DAEMON knows this.
This moment is the start of the Dance of Dragons. Because the Answer of this last Incident is very dark. Till this incident the Blacks whould accept the offer that was send to them. Because its a good offer instat of a war. But the call the Banners for the Sign of Strengh. Like we accept you offer, but never thing about to attack us, we have a big enough army to win. But after this incident, the Queen makes a dark and brutal move. If you never watch the Sory Telling from ever Season, then you don't know what will follow. But the Dance of Dragon event, starts here, with the decision the Queen makes after this. This decision is starts the war in full.
As the dragon was king jaeherys who was grandfather to daemon he probably learnt it from his grandfather..... He cannot be bonded to another dragon since he is bonded to caraxes so ig he was just taming him since he has been wild for like 20+ years
Daemon was heir to Viserys cuz he was the only the closest male Targaryen. He never told Daemon when he was supposed to. He was also right basically telling Rhaenyra ur father was a good man but a weak king. So he doesn’t want hear about a stupid dream be the dragon not a dreamer.
It might have upset Daemon but I feel like people are focusing too much on the reveal of the prophecy. Viserys is the reason they are in this situation in the first place because of his passivity. Daemon had to go to war because his brother would not. And now he hears his wife/queen/niece take the same passive stance, hiding behind excuses. Daemon gave her a taste of what could happen because he needed her to understand how real their situation is.
The Song of Ice and Fire is not an excuse lol Viserys and Rhaenyra act with this knowledge, Daemon does not. They are right, considering the world of men is more important than civil conflicts. He's just hurt af that Viserys never considered him a worthy heir, and with full reason. And he never went to the Stepstones for the realm, but to gain glory as thats how Corlys persuaded him.
I fully understand why you would lose respect for Daemon over the choking. And I am certainly not going to try to make any excuses or justify anything about it. I do like to point out that Rhaenyra didn’t seem to get very upset about it. She was more surprised over the fact that her father had never shared the prophecy with Daemon. And I think you are totally spot on when you said that this proved that Viserys never thought of Daemon as his heir. I think that is totally the rationale for why he freaked out like that. And the dragon that he was singing to was Vermithor, last ridden by his grandfather King Jaehaerys. He is the second largest dragon at this time. I think that Rhaenys held off, kneeling to Rhaenyra at her crowning because she was waiting to meet with her husband and determine how they were going to proceed as House Velaryon. But she was definitely impressed by her at that time, as demonstrated in her conversation with Corlys.
The translation has been confirmed thanks to the language's creator, David J. Peterson (via Archive Of Our Own). In it, it is revealed that the name of the song Daemon sings to Vermithor is "With Three Heads". Check the English translation: Fire breathes, winged leader but two heads For a third to sing From my voice: The fires spoke And the price has been paid with blood magic With words of fire with clear eyes To tie the three for you i sing As one we come together And with three heads We'll fly like we were meant to beautifully, freely In the book Aemond he kills Luke and because he wanted not to and as he is showing in the series that he is sorry, the name of Rhaenyra's baby would be a girl and her name would be visenya In the book Aemond he kills Luke because he wants to and when he gets home he celebrates and Aegon and alicent they celebrate luke's death different from the series they put it as an accident that the Two lost control of the dragons in the book there is no such thing as losing control of the dragons they spoiled everything in the series but anyway Aemond killed Luke he could have prevented it It was just him not following Luke but that asshole Aemond went after the kid now he's going to bear all the consequences now l' m wondering how they are they going to do this in the series because in the book the greens are all happy with luke's death for alicent, aegon and even aemond so i'm wondering how they are going to do it in the series because the writers put it as if it was an accident and that aemond didn't wanted to kill Luke unlike the book where he kills Luke because he wants to, I didn't like that much they did it just to make people feel sorry for the greens in my opinion, In the book Aemond kills Luke because he wanted to kill Luke different from the series that showed that it was an "Accident" but depending on how Aemond was and blamed for Luke's death he could have avoided it An example was just he didn 't follow Luke then he wouldn't kill Luke anymore like Aemond is a donkey, imbecile is an idiot he did shit and now the greens will pay for everything they did Rhaenyra wasn't dreaming of a dragon giving birth. Her own dragon, Syrax, was screaming in pain at her because they are so bonded. If you notice during the Battle of the Stepstones, Caraxes screams when Daemon is hit by an arrow. this shows how Rhaenyra and Daemon have a great connection with their dragons. Rhaenyra's anger burns the whole transition was so well done, her anger is completely justified compared to how they made Daenarys Daemon as crazy as it gets, he loved his brother. From the scene where he stopped Corlis talking shit about Viserys in ep 1, helping on the throne to mourning on the beach. I don't think Daemon wanted to show weakness because Rhaenyra was at her most vulnerable and it wasn't easy.. (His last wife died in childbirth, and I believe it is also said that his mother died in childbirth and the wife of Viserys died in childbirth.) So the only thing he could do was prepare for the war he knew was coming. The scene on the beach was much longer of him on the beach Matt the actor he shot a scene on the beach the daemon suffering from the death of his baby who was a girl and her name was the series visenya but HBO preferred to remove this scene the daemon he is not no saint anymore he loves his family he loves his children and really rhaenyra just unfortunately the writers prefer not to show that side of him much, i think the reason daemon didnt go to rhaenyra when she was giving birth is because he feared having to make an impossible choice. The last woman he had complications with died. He didn't want to have to make that choice for Rhaenyra. He couldn't lose her that way. When he dropped to his knees, he was relieved that she was okay and had survived. Rhaenyra didn't want help during the birth because of her mother's death. She wanted to get that baby out so she wouldn't suffer the same fate. This series/book is awesome... Matt Smith said that Daemon would give his life for Viserys and Rhaenyra. I fully believe he was heartbroken to see his brother in that condition. we books Alicent she hates Rhaenyra she was always jealous of Rhaenyra so much that I wish rhaenyra's death no and as in the series it shows that alicent is like that and because we books she does things because she because she is a bad person Let's see the losses Rhaenyra lost mother and father and daughter and son and Daemon lost father and mother in childbirth and also lost his wife who is Laena and son and now he lost brother and daughter and two other children They are suffering, but each one of their own ways, the daemon starts preparing for war because he knows Otto very well and he is afraid of losing his family One thing I say is that the two really love each other rhaenyra she can't survive without the daemon They are the best couple like it or not they are everyone's popular Daemyra forever Emma Darcy who plays Rhaenyra she says that the daemon never laid a hand on Rhaenyra that this was the first time that Rhaenyra her character didn't care much because she knows that the daemon did that and Because he's angry and he's letting his emotion out and she also says which character of hers cares the most about what she just found out that the daemon doesn't know about prophecy because Rhaenyra I thought the daemon knew because he was heir to viserys for 10 years that's why she put a smile on the side of her mouth because she just found out that her father always chose her and Rhaenyra had her doubts if her father wanted her as heir remembers episode 2 when Rhaenyra talks to Alicent poise now after years he got her answer The daemon must be sad because it's his brother and he just found out that he was never chosen and that brother never trusted him enough to tell him and that's more heartbreaking A script for the first season came out that HBO thought of putting in the story a scene that the viserys was thinking of telling the daemon then he starts talking to the daemon but then gives up only that they They didn't put this scene unfortunately I think the biggest reason people didn't like the scene of Daemon smothering Rhaenyra is because he's supposed to be a bad guy to the greens, but the protector of his family. Daemon isn't a saint, but he's definitely not a villain. He does a lot of bad things, but he's a gray character, and loving his family and protecting them is one of his redeeming qualities and some writers are trying to take that away from him. There are two teams, the Green Team that belongs to Alicent and the Black Team that belongs to Rhaenyra, I hope to see Rhaenyra with fire in her eyes in the second season, The Greens will pay for everything they did
Daemon's Song translation from Valyrian to English: Fire breather Winged leader But two heads To a third sing From my voice: The fires have spoken And the price has been paid With blood magic With words of flame With clear eyes To bind the three To you I sing As one we gather And with three heads We shall fly as we were destined Beautifully, freely (my opinion) Daemon claiming Vermithor (formerly king Jaehaerys' dragon)as the 2nd dragon is based on the blood sacrifice of his deceased child...
It is impossible for someone to ride multiple dragons. I think he was just checking to see if Vermithor was still tame enough to ride and get Vermithor familiar with his scent so Daemon's daughter that doesn't have a dragon can eventually ride Vermithor
Vermithor "The Bronze Fury" belong to his grandfather Old King Jaehaerys Targaryen and Silverwing belong to Queen Alyssane Targaryen, Daemon's and Viserys grandmother
Greens Blacks Vhagar (Aemond) Syrax (Rhaenyra) Sunfyre (Aegon) Caraxes (Daemond) Dreamfyre (Helaena) Meleys (Rhaenys) They have another one Vermax (Jacaerys) but I don't want to spoil Arrax (Lucerys) Tyraxes (Joffery) Moondancer (Baela)
"Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen labored for three days in her apartments in the Sea Dragon Tower of Dragonstone. One month premature, Visenya was a stillborn. The labour had begun when Princess Rhaenyra heard the news from King's Landing, that her father, King Viserys I Targaryen, had died, and that her half-brother, Prince Aegon, had claimed the throne and had been crowned King, despite Rhaenyra having been Viserys' heir. According to Mushroom, Princess Rhaenyra had cursed Visenya while giving birth, calling her a monster. He also claims that Visenya had dragon-like birth defects, describing her as having been twisted and malformed, with a hole in her chest where her heart should have been and a stubby, scaled tail. Mushroom also claims that it had been he who brought Visenya to the yard of Dragonstone for burning."
50:23 the greens have 4 dragons, aegon has sunfyre, aemond has vhagar, heleana has dreamfyre which is the dragon aemond sees in the dragon pit after getting the pink dread, & daeron has tesserion but we have not seen either of them as they are in old town w lord uncle hubert. Jacerys is Vermax rider.
@@sageafterhours444 indeed but i have a feeling non book readers are gonna have a problem with his addition, as they should. It's going to be out of nowhere from their perspective. Not a single member of his own family talks about him. Let's hope they write him in intelligently.
@@BhBc8f8 I am a non book reader & i know very little of the lore. i only know this information bc GRRM said they didn't have time to work daeron into this season but that he & his dragon will be in season 2.
@@sageafterhours444 How could they not have time for literally one line of dialogue which would have fixed it. I hope they don't add him in S2 cause i personally can't think of how they would do it without it seeming like lazy writing. And i advise some caution looking up news from GRRM, you're just asking for spoilers mate.
There were two things I was looking for in this first season that were kinda make it or break for me on the whole "Ryan Condal being a superfan" and man, just in this episode alone I got Rhaenyra giving birth to a dragon baby and let me tell you, I was SCREAMING at Aemond's blue sapphire eye! I didn't think Ryan Condal would do it. It's something kinda small that could've been overlooked because mostly he wears an eyepatch and unless you've read the book you wouldn't know any different! But he did it...and I'm seriously grateful 🔥🐲 Ps. I am totally with you on the DV with Daemon choking Rhaenyra and no, there is no excuse for it or justification, but also Daemon Targaryen is not a good person, he never claims to be and he did kill his first wife so he could groom and marry his teenage niece! He's supposed to be a very gray character, but leaning toward the dark side at times!
Trust me. Daemon Will do IT himself since he IS the "villain" Here. Sara Hess thinks that..and Ryan Said the chocking Scene was His favorite. I don't know what they are thinking for season 2 but it's pathetic
I think after running into a few walls Aemond changed his mind about being ok without an eye. Jokes aside I think he wanted to pay his mother back since she was the only one who stood up for him at all points in time and got put down in front of everyone in a sense with the whole eye debacle. I actually think when Luke was killed Aemond felt some sorrow as well for it was his own blood and even with the hatred you’d still feel pain about one’s family dying
@@jellalfernandes1309 I mean it may be wrong to you. For me it’s a mixture of both knowing that was a huge mistake and also a realization he killed his kin. I don’t think he just wouldn’t care lol he’s not a full psycho. Also bearing the name kinslayer isn’t an honorable thing. It would be a mixture of all those emotions. He isn’t as dull as to just only feel an oh shit moment cause of the war.
Yeah I mean "i lost an eye but gain a dragon" was just something he said when his mother was about to take Luke's eye. Obviously he tried to calm the situation. Him saying it was Aegon who started the bastard rumors shows that he understands his mother isn't safe of repercutions, no matter if she's the queen. With Aemond everything is about his mother, kinda. But lots of Targaryens got a dragon without losing an eye, so asking him to stand by those words is bs. It was unfair and no one did anything to repair the situation (between taking Luke's eye and doing nothing, there's a full spectrum of possibilities and potential punishments, yet Nyra and Viserys, the main responsible adults with authority over Luke (not counting useless Laenor or Alicent) did nothing.
Deamon does Deamon things. Nothing Rhaenyra doesn't know. Deamon's freak out made her proud. She knew what Deamon didn't. And Deamon was disappointed, sad and angry. This was not a threat against Raehnyra. Raehnys doesn't kneel because she can't do it without consulting her husband. When he is present, he is still the one who makes the decisions. The stillbirth in connection with the dragon can have two purposes. It either shows the real attachment to her dragon and shows that she is a true dragon or it is related to the prophecy and Rhaenyra is punished. According to the prophecy, the only reason dragons exist and be ridden by Targeryens is to fulfill the prophecy. At least that's how it can be interpreted. The wrong woman has learned of the prophecy and now the false king is sitting on the throne. This goes against the prophecy. This is thus broken. The Targeryens are punished. This continues later when the dragons do not listen to their riders and Raehnyra's son dies. Furthermore, dragons feel their owners. This can also be seen in stillbirth. That's exactly how the dragons of Aemond and Strong feel at the end. Both are angry, fearful, uncontrolled, and so are their dragons. Consequence they go crazy. And as has already been said, dragons are not suitable for wars. They have no experience with this and certainly not to fight against each other. That they then become uncontrollable under stress and do not understand why they attack each other now. As Viserys said at the beginning, it is a mistake to believe Targeryens control dragons.
39:23 no BABS ! Aemon's dragon is gigantic and Luke's dragon is like a small fly in comparisson, Aemon went after Luke like a bully, totally unprovoked, they made it look like an involuntary homicide, but it was just murder, really..
Those birthing scenes are something else, how intense ! Thanks for this season, Aish ! And now we'll wait for 1,5 year... Warm regards from the Netherlands.
Rhaenys has to wait until her husband chooses a side, then she has to side with her husband. If she bows without her husband, she's usurped his authority as head of their house.
The daemon put his hand on Rhaenyra was it because of the prophecy because viserys didn't tell him (this doesn't exist in the books the Writers vented in the series) I understand the fight we both have because they don't talk like that on the same page, make the daemon put his hand on Rhaenyra, I think that was over the top, it wasn't necessary and the moment the daemon lets go of rhaenyra, you can see in the eyes of the daemon and Rhaenyra that they are both suffering and Rhaenyra says she never told you that and she smirks because she's realizing that the viserys chose her as heir to the throne because viserys didn't tell the daemon and Rhaenyra thought viserys had told him because the daemon had 10 years as heir and Viserys and after those 10 years, viserys never told him so he keeps imagining in the daemon's head how my brother who i loved so much never trusted me right now the daemon must be very hurt because daemon always wanted to show his worth to viserys and he loves his brother the daemon and a person who he has a hot head, he is proud, but he also has feelings, but sometimes he ends up expressing it wrong, then the daemon loses another child because he already lost one, then he discovers that his brother died Then later he discovers that his brother never trusted him and that it hurts his heart and daemon is feeling all of this but he ends up putting everyone else these feelings in rhaenyra who is not to blame it's the moment he lets go she sees his eyes of sadness and before he leaves if you notice he looks down he looks at her belly Then he remembers the daughter they lost, Daemon didn't stay with Rhaenyra because he didn't want to make the same choice he made with Laena the daemon has truama in fact the daemon always had for those who don't know the daemon's mother died in childbirth so the daemon already has a trauma because he never wanted to have children, so the daemon didn't want to be with Rhaenyra so he wouldn't make the same choice there when Rhaenyra loses the child Rhaenyra Stays with the daughter since the daemon goes to the beach to suffer there that reminded me in the first episode of the throne scene there is a daemon and viserys is the daemon tells viserys that each person suffers in a different way, and it reminds me of the scene the two are suffering each alone but rhaenyra and daemon are grieving for their daughter unfortunately we didn't see much of the other side of the daemon this season because the writers and HBO preferred not to show in my opinion the most wronged is Matt Smith Mano he made several scenes of the daemon showing the sentimental side of the daemon him hugging his daughters is him on the beach grieving for the death of his daughter with Rhaenyra and he spends hours and hours on the floor grieving for visenya's death and we simply received in this episode just a quick scene of him grieving for his daughter in the book it says a lot that the daemon is a great father and that he loved his two Wives Laena and Rhaenyra unlike the series which showed very little and I think it's really sad because they're not showing the real daemon Of course he's hot headed and he's crazy but man he loves his family he would never hurt his family until the actor himself says that the daemon would give his life for Viserys is Rhaenyra and very sad what they are doing to this character. The scene at the end was matt's idea he had an idea that who should break the news of luke's death should be the daemon there the writers and emma give up the idea there they did, if you notice it at the time of the scene when daemon enters in the room rhaenyra's attention goes all to the daemon because she knows that something has happened and on the way the daemon is approaching rhaenyra you notice that he puts a hand on his face indicating that he cried there when he got closer to rhaenyra he didn 't even be able to look us in her eyes Poor Rhaenyra lost a father and she didn't even go to his wake because Alicent hid viserys's death and so rhaenyra couldn't even say goodbye to viserys and she lost two sons Luke is Visenya in the book rhaenyra she blames the Greens for her baby's death and somehow she's right because Rhaenyra was fine But then he received the news all at once, he received the news that his father died and that his own brother stole his throne. This was all very emotional for her, especially Because she is pregnant so yes the greens were to blame for her daughter's death she would be the first child Rhaenyra is to have with Daemon 7:24 Daemon thinks that viserys was murdered because the greens made Aegon king right away and saved all the people in prison, not to mention that viserys is dead and this is all suspect, so of course Daemon or anyone else will think that viserys was murdered because the greens hid the death of viserys and they quickly put Aegon on the throne and when that nobody says Nothing to Rhaenyra so it's very suspicious so I understand Daemon's side of he's upset and angry is that now he wants revenge is we can't forget that Daemon and Rhaenyra are in Mourning but I also understand Rhaenyra's side of not wanting to go to war, what She was doing is right, a king has to keep the peace and Rhaenyra was trying everything not to go to the war and not having blood But now it's too late now it's war Rhaenyra has lost many things and now she has to fight for her Throne and for the lives of her children 9:17 what Rhaenyra said in that scene to me doesn't make sense she said that Daemon is crazy and that he's fighting his own war if you remember right in episode 7 Rhaenyra tells Daemon that she needs him and that she couldn't do this alone , so she's asking him for help, here comes this scene where Rhaenyra says Daemon is waging his own war for me It doesn't make sense, Daemon is protecting his family, he's doing what she asked him to do in episode 7, I think it was a Script Hole because it doesn't make sense in my opinion 14:27 This scene with Rhaenyra was very beautiful, you realize that it was very different from Aegon, the two scenes are different, the music in both scenes are very good, no one can deny that, in the scene with Aegon, no one gets on their knees for him, in the scene with Rhaenyra everyone they get on their knees because she is the true heir to the Iron Throne, and I also noticed the reference in episode 8 when the crown of viserys fell and it was Daemon who placed the crown on viserys and now it is Daemon putting the crown on his wife his Queen 18:58 It makes reference to Episode 2, the difference between the two scenes and that in Episode 2 Rhaenyra was on Otto's side, It is now in this scene that Rhaenyra is on Daemon's side 20:47 Refers to Episode 1 when Rhaenyra rips a piece out of the Book and gives it to Alicent My favorite characters I have many more My Favorite Characters first is second is Rhaenyra is Daemon,What are your Favorite Characters? I hope you post your reaction to HOTD Season 2
44:27 idk they're husband and wife with similar personalities. Rheanyra wasn't offended so why should we? I'm not saying it's okay but this is Rheanyra we're talking about. If she ever felt Deamon was abusive towards her she would've murdered him a long time ago. I trust her judgement.
He wasn't there when Corlys arrived because she WAS offended. And she is a sovereign, making choking her a capital offense, death penalty. What would Robert Baratheon or Stannis have done?
@@stevencolatrella3257 Literally the first thing she said was "you didn't know". Does that sound like someone who is bothered by Daemon being overly aggressive? Daemon wasn't there when Corlys arrived because she sent him to tame a riderless Dragon.
The bond between dragons and their riders is remarkable! Syrax is crying out in pain during Rhae’s labor. Back in ep 3 Caraxes feels daemons pain when he got shot with the arrow. Arrax is responding to Luke’s fear, and Vhagar is responding to Aemond’s anger.
Yea they were both getting hit with arrows at the same time lol
@@English_MoFo For a Dragon, Arrow s are like a Toothpick. Lol😂😂😂
Not necessarily, if you followed all the dragons & their riders from this series. Sure, time & time again we see that dragons are sensitive, have a bond with their rider & mourn the loss of their rider/master. Except for one, which is very sketchy. Laenor didn't die, his death was faked. Did the writers of the show cut his dragon in on the plot, to stay put? If dragons had a pattern of bond with their rider/master, you would have seen Laenor's dragon follow him to sea. Which of course would tarnish a big part of the show's story line. One way or the other, Laenor's dragon doesn't fit the same pattern as suggested by the show or as you pointed out. Would he be fake mourning Laenor's death? Not give a crap about him? Or followed him to sea, proving to everyone that they were gullible fools? Or for us to be gullible fools to believe in that plot line, full of holes!?
@@Steve-eh4dbThe dragon wouldn't necessarily have followed him. The dragon calmly staying put could actually prove Laenor is alive. As it is, the dragon is just patiently waiting for Laenor to come home...as Laenor probably commanded him to do. (Because having a dragon following you around would kill the anonymity you were looking for!) Now, if he accepts a new rider with Laenor still alive, then you have a story hole.
@@piggyvkc You're funny by not evaluating the situation the other way around. In comparison, we have had at least 3 different dragons in GOT & in this show, wailing away that their riders have died or have had something close to them die. You're living in a vacuum, making excuses for poor writing, as if there are no people around, such as family members to witness that his dragon is not wailing away, as he should have, as we have learned that it is always the case in these shows. As noted here in the comment, "The bond between Dragon & their rider." The dragon doing nothing, but hanging around, as you suggest, should speak volumes to Laenor's family, most of which are dragon riders & have vast experience as to how dragons behave after the loss of their rider. One thing is for sure, they don't stay put & wait around, if their rider had supposedly died, the behavior as you suggest, should not go unnoticed.
Aeomond: "I just want his eye"
Vhagar with 200 year old granny hearing: "You want me to kill him? Ok..."
The dragons only feel emotions, not intentions. Granny Vhagar knows that Aemond wants him hurt and that's it.
@@Kratosx23 facts
@@Kratosx23 Tell me you can't take a joke without telling me you can't take a joke
@@onitob3125 I can. I was fully aware that he was joking. I mildly chuckled. Doesn't mean I can't comment on it.
@@Kratosx23 I think you didn't need to inform us on such obvious matters
Both Luke and Aemond said “Serve me Arrax/Vhagar”.
Neither of them listened to their masters!
Well, Daenerys And Viserys actually talked about this; Dany: “A dragon is not a slave.” Viserys: "The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion”
Dragons aren't toys to play with. Aemond forgot this and Luke paid the price. He actually thought it was a good idea to use an ancient war dragon to scare another rider with his little dragon..
who wouldn’t though logically use their dragon the way they want, they think they’re pets lol. He’s a 16 year old who learned a lesson … but it’s not like he would have known better non of them have been in war or know dragons aren’t just theirs to use (the way targs are raised to think lol)
@@LS13.
"The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion" - Viserys Targaryen
@@LS13. indeed, no one has seen real war since the time of Maegor. Viserys too only knows knows not to mess with dragons because of his elders like Jaehaerys and others. Not to mention many of Viserys’s aunts died tragically (although not by dragons but we can take Aerea; Jaehaerys niece for example who returned from old Valeria on Balerion the dread and dies from illness because of which Jaehaerys had to ban the family from ever going to old Valeria). Viserys is likely to blame for not teaching his kids with Alicent. Had he actually cared to look after his kids properly things wouldn’t have turn out like that. He failed both as a father and a king.
Aemond : I want his Eye.
Vhagar : He can Keep his Eye!!
He can keep his Ey*BUUURP*
King Visaerys's words ring true from the first episode. He said "the idea that we control a dragon is an illusion."
Amen! ♥️🙏
Daemon's song to Vermithor:
Fire breather
Winged leader
But two heads
To a third sing
From my voice
The fires have spoken
And the price has been paid
With blood magic
With words of flame
With clear eyes
To bind the three
To you I sing
As one we gather
And with three heads
We shall fly as we were destined
Beautifully, freely
Vaegar was like “ the audacity! This level of disrespect cannot be tolerated “
Right? She's like, "Did y'all forget that I'm a War dragon? C'mon."
Min 31:00 That dragon is Vermithor! He is one of those dragons that Daemond said are "unclaimed". Vermithor was previously ridden by King Jaehaerys Targaryen, who sat on the Iron Throne immediately before Rhaenyra's dad, so he isn't as unpredictable as a wild dragon, but he's still been riderless for about 25 years since the king died. Vermithor is around 100 years old. He's also the second largest dragon after Vhagar so If Daemon is able to mount Vermithor, it would prove an exceptional boost to the Blacks' chances in their war against the Greens. vermithor is also very close to Silverwing, a female dragon (another dragon Daemon said is unclaimed) , which was Queen Alysanne's dragon. It's said that they (Vermithor and Silverwing) nest together. So gaining the trust of one would help towards the other. Daemon is thinking with his long term brain. At that scene Daemon was actually singing a promise to vermithor that he would find him a new rider and he could roam the skies once more, the translation of the song : Fire breather / Winged leader / But two heads To a third sing. From my voice: The fires have spoken / And the price has been paid / With blood magic. With words of flame / With clear eyes / To bind the three / To you I sing. As one we gather / And with three heads / We shall fly as we were destined / Beautifully, freely.
Just to add to that, jahaerys used to sing that song to his grandchildren as well as vermithor. Vermithor had killed any rider who tried to mount him after jahaerys, so Daemon was singing the same song to show that he's kin. Good explanation ☺️
how do you know it's Vermithor?
@@BhBc8f8 The Subtitles, Hbo page, Show Runners, Actors said, Leave all this Vermithor is literally the only dragon with The Bronze colour.
@@BhBc8f8 This dragon is not named in the context of the episode, but HBO confirmed on Twitter that this is Vermithor.
@@Ellie-cz1zc okay so a spoiler then. As in information not revealed in the show. My subtitles didn't reveal that but if others did then fair enough.
The dragon locked within the Dragonmount is Vermithor, “The Bronze Fury”. It was the old king Jaehaerys’s dragon, and has been riderless since his death 30 years ago. Daemon knows the Valyrian lullaby Jaehaerys used to sing to Vermithor to calm him down, and is using it to try and get him used to human contact again. Daemon is often considered “the Last Dragonlord” for his unparalleled knowledge and ability when it came to dragons.
Daemon was wrong for choking rhaenyra and also right about the whole situation. He knows otto better then anyone and knows eventually peace won’t be possible with the greens. Daemon tried to warn visery in episode 1 about otto but visery chose not to listen and look where everyone is at now because of Viserys being naive. Daemon was also seeing rhaenyra making the same mistake as viserys. Yes it’s “noble” but it will get them all killed just like her being naive and sending her son to his death. Proving daemon being right all episode . Being noble in this world ends up getting you killed. Daemon understands that and is trying to keep his remaining family alive. You don’t gotta like him to realize that by the end of the episode
That is a good realisation
Thank you and I agree
Luke's death was not a result of Rhaenyra's naivety but Aemond's stupidity. This is just hindsight speaking. It was a wise decision although i feel she should've sent Deamon to storm's end instead as Luke was too easily intimated.
@@BhBc8f8 daemon is going to the riverland
teamdaemon because he is the only one who knows that the hightowers have been the problem from the beginning he told his brother I will take care of anyone but his brother I never trust him and there is the result that is what I like about daemon's character because that he can be good or bad with anyone but the only thing that matters to him is his family and he does everything possible to protect them
During Rhaenyra's miscarriage she kept calling Daemon and he didn't go to her because he was afraid of having to make the same decision that led to Laena's death, while Rhaenyra didn't want the help of anyone because she did remember her mother's final moments so she didn't let others do it for her...
Wow I never thought that
If that’s how you want to interpret it, it’s an interesting way to see it. I personally don’t think so- I think his relationship with Rhaenyra is different, and the circumstances are different as well.
The amount of justification Daemon's character get when at the end of the day it's obvious he is just a shit husband cause of his impulsive and bullheaded personality 👌💀😂
@@LS13. it is different but what they've shown in past episodes that he cares a lot about his family and that's the only stuff that makes him vulnerable. He was not able to look at viseyrs and he could not make decision for Leana. Same goes here, when rhneryra shouted him name, he looked almost afraid
Yeah Daemon doesn't like to express his feelings in public I think he sees it as a form of weakness
23:39 DAEMON is wrong for Choking Rhaenyra 100%.
He's right about the situation though. They needed to act quickly and force a surrender. He knows OTTO , he knows he'll do anything, Peace won't be an option even if Rhaenyra accepts it, they'll always be under threat by Otto. He's trying to save what's left of his Real family. Daemon warned Viserys about Otto, he didn't listen and look what happened. Rhaenyra is making the same mistake.
Also It's funny to me how people just ignore the pain of Daemon. You don't have to like him. I don't love Daemon but he's right about this situation.
i love daemon and I'll tell you: that's no excuse
@@Nihilanth what excuse? He's wrong for choking her 100%. That's what I said.
@@Nihilanth there was a mistake with my fullstop and I missed a word. Sry.
@@Nihilanth ???
Daemon doesn’t choke Rhaenerya because she isn’t keen on jumping straight into war. He chokes her out of jealousy, hurt and frustration that his brother King never took him as a serious contender to be heir.
i'm so sad we won't get your House of The Dragon reactions again till 2024. you've been so fun to watch
Vhagar be like : Eyepatch Visenya, When do Dornish have Dragons??🤣🤣🤣
Aemond's face after Vaghr's attack "oh shit I just started a war" 😬
The war was already in motion though. This was the last drop of a full glass.
@@Alejojojo6 Well the plan was supposed to be a war of attrition or exhaustion but now it's a war of annihilation thanks to Aemond.
i find it funny that some people get more upset at daemon than rhaenyra did. did he have to do it ? no , but he did not do it with full force he was trying to make her understand that it does not matter what she thinks the enemy is already pushing them into war. daemon told his brother not to trust otto way back , and you know daemon loves his family he would not hurt her. the kids may be dragon riders but them and their dragons have never been to war. only daemon and his dragon , along with vhagar. the dragon daemon was trying to tame has seen war too vermathor, who is just as big as vhagar.
Yeah I don't get why people seemed shocked by it.... it was totally in character for him. He literally killed a messenger. He killed his wife. And he wasn't even trying to harm Rhaenyra, he was trying to get his point across in his Daemon way.
@@poisoninmyiv he didn’t kill the messenger.
She has a right to be upset st what daemon did especially if she doesn't know anything about his chracter give it time she'll (probably) come around
Season one of HOD was just incredible. It completely surpassed my expectations. I love how they really got into women and birthing and how chaotic it was. In the first episode Emma said basically birth was their battlegrounds. I loved how they showed that aspect for women. The music was AMAZING. Just loved every second of this new series.
Watching HOTD to get away from the horrible ending of GOT is like getting back with your ex
Luke had a short role but he hooked us all in so well that last minute
Rhaenyra saying to Daemon “he never told you” is cool for two reasons: Daemon was technically meant to be heir until Rhaenyra was born (and even after in some ways since women ruling doesn’t usually happen) so it’s a subtle jab but it’s also a confirmation for her that the successor was always meant to be her. That prophecy was only meant to be told to the true heir and by finding out Viserys never told daemon, it confirms he never saw daemon or anyone else as his true successor but Rhaenyra
It's not exactly a confirmation that she mas "meant" to be heir... One doesn't automatically make the other true... Viserys never having actually considered Daemon as a successor and not telling him about the "dream", doesn't meant that Rhaenyra was always meant to be heir... Viserys never told Daemon about the dream and never considered as heir because he was focused and overly sure that he would eventually have a male heir and that kid would be the heir, the one he was going to "pass the secret" to... So yes, Viserys never saw Daemon as heir, but it doesn't mean what you think it means for Rhaenyra; we all watched the first episode, Viserys was obsessed with having a male heir, that's why he never considered Daemon as next in line, it was always going to be his future son... When that didn't happen and Viserys relationship with Daemon deteriorated and broke, because of Daemon's comments, then he turned to Rhaenyra... But the reality is that if Daemon would've been smarter and more careful, he would've continued being the heir and if Viserys never had another boy with another women, Daemon would've ended up getting the information about Aegon's dream
There's a deleted scene where Viserys tried to tell Daemon the prophecy but he didn't show any interest so he didn't tell him
@@Alewaxon He didnt tell Daemon because he had still hopes to have a male heir to whom to tell the profecy when he grew enough. In fact, he didnt tell Rhaenyra until right after Baelon died alongside her wife. He got fearful of never actually having a male heir and thus chose her daughter and told her instead. So there is not confirmation that it was meant to be her at all.
@@Alewaxon Jon, Daenerys, Faegon, Robert, Renly and Stannis all come from rhaenyra's lineage, one of them is azor ahai, so technically rhaenyra was meant to be heir
@@Alejojojo6 Exactly, that's my point... One thing doesn't make the other true: Viserys never actually having considered Daemon as his heir doesn't mean that Rhaenyra was "meant to be heir" like the comment suggested... We know the reasons why Viserys never told Daemon, it's because he always pursued the idea of having his own male heir.
Daemon is singing to that dragon because it's previous owner used to sing to it. It was his secret weapon to claim that dragon.
Daemon can't claim Vermithor bc he already has a bond with Caraxes.... so I think Daemon is just singing King Jahaerys' lullaby in an attempt to get Vermithor used to being around humans again after being alone in the Dragonmont for decades. That way it will be a tiny bit easier for someone else to attempt to claim him.
i will never forgive d&d for not giving Daenerys, Jon and Robb a crown. I'm glad the new competent writers gave Rhaenyra and Aegon a crown.
That wasn't D&D's "failure" I believe... I don't think either of those characters you named walked around with a crown at any point in the books either, not Robb when he called himself king in the north; him and also Jon would not care about something as silly as a crown... And even Daenerys in the books never cared about a crown in all that time that she "ruled" in the other side of the narrow sea... In turn, the 2 different crowns in this show are key features straight from the source material
@@Alewaxon it was.
Daenerys wears a three headed dragon crown, around book 5.
"A crown wrought in the shape of a three-headed dragon. The coils are yellow gold, the wings silver, the heads carved from jade, ivory, and onyx." - ADWD
Robb also started wearing a crown when he was named king in the north, the crown was forged by Hoster Tully's smith, according to the books
"An open circlet of hammered bronze incised with the runes of the First Men, surmounted by nine black iron spikes wrought in the shape of longswords. It is said to look much the same as the one worn by the historical Kings in the North from House Stark." - ACOK
even jeyne westerling (Robb's wife) started to use a crown.
it's not a matter of "caring or not", they're kings and queens, they should wear a crown.
the thing is that d&d prob wanted to make them look humble, especially the starks, in the books is described that they would were fine clothes with colourful steel and jewelry, but in the show they wore just leather.
Jon is no king in the north yet, but he'll definitely wear a crown too.
@@Nihilanth I stand corrected, thank you for reminding me those details... I still think that it fails to be relevant or even important for that story, it's just aesthetics... Like I said, in this show, both crowns have very cemented and intricate correlations with the story it self... With the civil war, the symbols of each faction, etc... A crown for Robb, Daenerys or Jon, would've added little to nothing to the story; those items had no history or ties to events... If Daenerys or Robb, for example, were to find or recover their respective long lost ancestral crowns (either Aegon's or Jahaerys' and the old crown of the Kings of Winter) then it would've carried historical significance
I'll never forgive d&d for all the stuff they cut like Tysha, Lady Stoneheart etc.
Arrax was afraid and his natural instincts took over and he attacked Vhagar, which lead to Vhagar ‘s instincts to take over and she attacked back. Both animals were acting completely on their survival instincts ..poor Arrax, he had no chace against that killer beast
Aegon’s dragon is Sunfyre. Aemond’s is Vhagar. Helaena’s is Dreamfyre. And Daeron (Alicent & Viserys’ youngest child whom we have yet to meet) rides Tessarion
In the Game of Thrones books, Daenerys describes quite a bit about her bond with the dragons and their natural reactions to threats, something like "as a mare turns away from her master's whip, the dragon opposes, snarling and seeking out that which annoys him, determined to cut him down" Not exactly the words, but I understand from it that it is in the nature of dragons to stand or fight, it takes a good training of their bond for the rider to persuade the dragon.
Man i wished they changed the scene to when she first rode Drogon, that was so epic 😩
So couple things regarding how things went down between Lucarys and Aemond.
Viserys & Daenerys said it best. From one we get this gem.
“The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion. They’re a power man never should have trifled with.”
And from the other we also have this one.
“A dragon is not a slave.”
There is honestly a lot that can be unpacked from how this scene played out, especially if you’re up to date on your dragon lore via the books and Game of Thrones tv series. But without giving you a novel of lore I will just say you’re right. Vaghar took matters into her own hands… as did Arax when he shot his shot at her eye. To put it simply, the lads were never in control of the dragons so they did not lose their control. The bond with their dragons is more akin to a partnership instead of master/slave or boss/employee and in the case of Arax and Vhagar they more or less decided to override their partners take/opinion/stance on the situation :/
For starters, a dragons first instinct is always to fight … not flight. Bringing a dragon to any conversation is not unlike bringing a loaded gun with a mind of their own. You just don’t do it unless you are absolutely certain the safety is on and that you can keep it on. You never have that certainty with a dragon. Not without having the bond and years of experience to back it up and even then-- it’s no guarantee.
Secondly-- in this situation arguably Arax swung first and Vhagar responded accordingly. But-- not before Aemond decided to f around and literally use her to strafe Lucarys and Arax multiple times and snap at them. You have to remember Arax is still a very young dragon, it’s why he’s so small, especially compared to Vhagar and her being a literal behemoth. You also have to keep in mind that being young means HE IS ALSO V INEXPERIENCED. This is likely the first time the young dragon has been in a combative situation and on a fear level terrified to the point where he broke away from his rider’s command to respond to the threat he felt.
I can speak similar for Vhagar. Putting her up against Arax is basically the same as pulling up a tank to a twig. Vhagar is an old lady babes. She wasn’t here to play Aemond’s game the second the young gun decided to actually try it. She wasn’t about to listen to anything Aemond said after that. Vhagar is also a G and a whole veteran of 2-3 wars I believe. Now compare that to lil Arax’s experience…. Yeah.
Then there’s the bond itself… Aemond has only had Vhagar 6 years. Neither he nor Lucarys are the most experienced riders or have had the time/experience needed to bond as deeply with their dragons as say Rhaenys and Melys who clearly has a lot more say in her partnership with her dragon then the boys have with their own.
You also gotta take the bond further into consideration when you think about how the lads were feeling during the scene. A dragons bond with their riders is magical, telepathic in a way, they can feel their rider’s pain and their emotions. If Aemond was angry, was having fun, and had truly malicious intent, so did Vhagar. And if Lucarys was as terrified as I imagine he was, Arax was as well.
Finally the size and the weather. Now normally Vhagar’s size would mean she’s maybe not slower once in air but certainly not nearly as agile as a dragon like Arax. In a normal situation Arax probably could have outmaneuvered Vhagar and escaped like he did ducking into that trench. The only problem was they were at/near Storm’s End. You saw what the weather is like and Arax is still a small young dragon. It likely took a lot for him just to keep himself and Lucarys in the air safely even before Vhagar started chasing them. The stormy skies and wind literally took what small advantage Arax might have had away where Vhagar is so big her wings could easily handle it.
In the end, no matter what Aemond MEANT to do here, he is at fault for this ‘accident’ given he brought Vhagar to ‘only scare’ his nephew. Dude effed around, and found out. I’m sure it’s a lesson he’ll remember till the end of his days given the consequences of it.
I actually thought Lucerys performed very well for a rather nervous 14-year-old. He didn't quail before the obnoxious and domineering Lord Borros; he kept his cool; his responses to Aemond's aggression and threats in Storm's End were proper/justifiable given his station. He did his best to reassure the frightened Arrax, given that Lucerys himself was alone and about to fly off in a bad storm with the largest known dragon, ridden by the uncle who threatened to mutilate him, was out there somewhere. And when that dragon-and-uncle attacked them aloft in the rain, Lucerys did not panic; he did his best to direct Arrax in maneuvers that would enable them both to survive (I would have been a screaming, tearful wreck). It's really not his fault that Arrax, still quite young and increasingly agitated by the attack and pursuit from a dragon five times his size, spat fire at the huge Vhagar in their defense.
It was the fault of Aemond, not Vhagar and not Lucerys or Arrax. Saying that 'control of our dragons is an illusion' is such a cop-out. The dragons didn't go burn alive a few thousand men on the Field of Fire just because they thought that fried humans would make for good eating and there no sheep available anywhere; they did it because Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters directed them to do so. Ditto Aegon directing Balerion to burn Harrenhal and the people inside it by dive-bombing the castle. And Vhagar herself didn't seek out the child Aemond as a companion; he found her and claimed her, impressing and bonding with her with the force of his personality.
Dragons are not slaves; but they're not as smart as humans, at least they have not yet demonstrated as high a level of intelligence. They are less tractable than dogs; but perhaps more capable of quasi-mystical, empathic bonds with their riders. Aemond, who seems to be an intelligent young man, should be aware of the degree to which Vhagar picks up and reacts to his emotions, and should have known the dangerous game he began that night. Unless, as I believe, Aemond reallly did want to hurt or kill Lucerys, at least on a subconscious level and possibly on a conscious level as well, as in thoughts such as 'I want to kill him, even though I shouldn't'/'I'm going to make the bastard pay'...
@@gailf1617 my guy I never said that Lucerys didn’t do well with the situation as it played out or that at the end of it all ultimately Aemond is at fault for bringing Vaghar, a literal veteran of multiple wars to PLAY GAMES with his nephew only to find out that if you play stupid games with weapons of war the prizes you win aren’t only stupid but horrifying.
Now as for the dragons… We get a line in game of thrones from Tyrion contradicting them not being as smart as humans. And as for the idea that their bonded riders have control over them-- there are multiple examples in both the show and books with Daenerys & Drogon that showcase now matter how deep the bond it is just that, a bond-- not absolute control or obedience.
I never once said Aemond was not who was ultimately at fault for what happened. Vaghar may have been who murdered Luce and Arax but in the end had Aemond not used her to chase them-- the chain of events that put Vaghar in a position to do so wouldn’t have happened.
Fun fact. At the Small Council, they were discussing Lord Grover Tully of Riverrun, ancestor of Catelyn, Edmure, and the Blackfish. It's fun and interesting to note the names of Lord Grover's grandson, Elmo Tully, and Elmo's sons, Oscar and Kermit. They are Lord George R.R. Martin's nod to Sesame Street and the Muppets.
Confirmed: House Tully are a bunch of muppets.
@@suedonym8467 Blackfish was cool. 🤷
After season 5, 6, 7 and 8 of GoT, I wasn't exited at all for all of these spin-offs and shows, but this show actually managed to reach the same level of quality as the first 4 seasons, and feels reminiscent of the books. I'm looking forward to following your reactions for season 2 in a few years!
It's interesting. Someone on another channel pointed this out. Everyone is surprised at Daemon acting violently towards Rhaenyra (I think in a moment of grief and anger) but he did in fact murder his first wife. For me his actions are in line with his character, but I know a lot of people were upset that the writers made him do that.
RIP Luke, He doesn't deserve this.
Atleast he was a Strong Boy😂😂😂 for not running away the moment he saw Vhagar.
Damon killed his previous wife with a rock, killed some innocent servant so he could marry Rhaenyra, did a bunch of messed up stuff but now people are like "oh my god this is unforgivable, I lost respect for him". Like c'mon you saw all the red flags since the beginning, why would he be any different now?
Daemon is a dragon (like Rhaenyra)....he cannot be tamed. He can be used to fight for the Good, but he is still a dragon.
None of that was in the books, and he had fans before this show, heck he is the favorite targereyan of george, made of equal parts white and black. But the showrunner are trying to turn him into a psychopathic villian.
maybe because he loves rhaenyra(?)
@@vishwajeetdamor2302 he had his moments in the books as well, but since the show is just an adaptation, we should just the adaptation.
@@Nihilanth doesnt work like that
The bit that's bugs me is Rhaenyra's Dragon being the same size despite it being 15ish year's since we first saw Syrax
It is because of Budget, the showrunners used the same scene from episode 2, and Vermax's baby head is also from episode 6.
It will both be corrected in season 2. Dont worry
I just love how they don’t come straight out and explain what is happening with the dragon bonds. It’s so much more interesting and better storytelling to just show us and leave it up to us to interpret. God it’s such a good show
First of all, I just want to tell you how much I truly adore you. Your reactions are so genuine and heartfelt. You are such a strong woman who radiates the Feminine, and I recognize you as soul family. I’m so glad I came across your channel ❤
Now…regarding Daemon:
The first time I watched that scene I got immediately defensive, mama-bear style. But as I contemplated on the scene and the story as a whole, it is very in line with Daemon’s character in my opinion. Again, like you said, I’m in no way defending his actions; I think we all are aware that domestic violence is a no-no. But from a writing and storytelling standpoint, it makes sense. Daemon has always been portrayed as someone who deeply loves his family, but also as someone with a short fuse and a big ego, who will not hesitate to resort to violence. Having just lost his brother, whom he believes was murdered, and his unborn child with Rhaenyra, he’s experiencing a tremendous amount of grief. His inability to grieve properly causes him to lash out, in attempt to quell that loss he feels. It’s an unhealthy coping mechanism for sure, but it’s one he has been shown to utilize previously. So yeah, it’s very in line with his character.
Once Daemon gets his mind set on something, he gets tunnel-vision. His brother is now dead, believed by Daemon to have been murder, and his wife, now rightful ruler of the realm, is simply trying to pacify the situation while Daemon sees the Greens actions as already declaring war. And I absolutely agree with that; high treason to this extent is clearly an act of war. Daemon’s rage and hate and grief are clouding his judgement, which is already biased towards hostility and aggression. It’s part of who he is. An unbalanced display of the Masculine with no tempering by the Feminine will lead to carnage, and Rhaenyra seems to understand that. The Masculine and Feminine are two sides of the same coin and neither can function efficiently when they’re imbalanced. Without the Masculine, the Feminine loses touch with the physical world in a sense.
And when I say Masculine and Feminine, I’m referring to the archetypes of the Divine Masculine and Divine Feminine, not men and women. Every person has both forces within them. Life is a beautiful dance of duality. And that’s partly why I appreciate and enjoy this show so much; it illustrates this concept beautifully in my opinion.
Otto the real GOAT. Didn't even flinch at Cyrax and calmly owned that scene.
Dragons are living nukes!!
U can't just take a literal War Machine to pull a Prank on your Nephew and expect for him to live.
They are not toys, Especially his Dragon Vhagar who have seen most War than all the other Dragons Combined at this Time. Oldest, Biggest Dragon, a Veteran of atleast 100 Wars.
Thank you for the reaction❤❤❤❤. What disturbed me with some people especially who hasn’t read the books and they hate Rhaenyra children because they are not from her husband (not sure how to write his name) but love John Snow because I never read the books so I actually thought John was Ned son but I loved him the same with Rhaenyra children since it’s not their fault and also not her fault since she couldn’t get pregnant by her husband. And to hate Lucerys cutting his uncle eye to save his brother with out knowing if his uncle would actually kill his brother or not he was a scared kid I understood all children so I didn’t hate them, but what I hate is Aemond he took Vhagar an old dragon who went through war to Prank a kid with smaller dragon is just stupid to me. I am sorry I wrote an essay 😂😂😂.
It's the double standard that so many still hold that it's ok for a man to cheat but not a woman (even if it's with the consent of her husband) As far as I'm concerned Rhaenyra's kids' claim come through their connection to her regardless of who their father was (and in the books the claim to Driftmark was settled much earlier with Jac & Luc being betrothed to Baela and Rhaena since the girls were two, ensuring the Velaryon blood remained in the family line)
@@vadalia3860 For example I didn’t see people make a beg deal with Cersei for not having the king children she cheated and had children from her brother but when Rharnyra had children from someone else with her husband knowledge after they couldn’t have children together people hated her for having children from some one els. I feel people hated old Rhaenyra because they changed the actress, so whatever the character do they hate her even though for me she actually the best mother at the moment because Allicent is not a great mother she use her children like how her father used her I only fell bad for her daughter Helaena. And it is disturbing that people says it is good if (I don't like to say the b word) Rhaenyra children die like how can people be like this because it is not the children fault for being the children from another guy and also not the parents fault for not being able to have children. Thank you for the comments🥰🥰🥰🥰.
At least your essay made sense.
Let's be real Daemon would've 100% killed the Strong Boys for Valeryian blood purity, and to see his sons on the throne. He prolly hates the Strong Boys as much as our Aegon, Aemon and Daeron lol. Also the most hilarious part in all this is the fact that since Laenor is still alive in show-verse, Rhaenrya and Daemon's marriage is illegal. Therefore Aegon III and Viserys Ii are illegitimate bastards.
By choking Rhaenyra Daemon wanted her to stop behaving like her dad but he understood that she is her father more than he thought and this is frustrating because he had to win wars for Viserys so he can keep his peace and Rhaenyra is now doing the same even when war already started.
yes he choked rhaenyra but be grateful he didn't take out his divorce rock 🤣🤣
😂😂😂 omg 🔥
It wasn't Arrax's fault. Vhagar was chasing him and trying to bite him, which can kill him. Aemond made Vhagar think it was a battle, and Arrax was only defending himself and Luke.
"Zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor."
(A dragon is not a slave.)
~Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen, First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals, the Roynar, and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, Kaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, The Mother of Dragons, the Unburnt, Breaker of Chains.
"The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion. They are a power men should never have trifled with."
~Viserys Targaryen, titles, titles, titles...
"There has never been a Stark who forgot an oath."
Two words...Robb Stark
Rhaenyra would never harm Alicent's children...She's not that guy. 😉
As for that ending. They had originally planned for Daemon to come in and tell Rhaenyra and they would have a discussion about what to do next, but Matt Smith came in and pulled her away from the shot, whispered into her ear, and she turned around with that look upon her face. Apparently, Matt Smith impulsively took direction of the shot and just told her to give them a look, and she did, and it was brilliant!
The page Otto gave to Rhaenyra from Rhaenyra was to symbolize how Nymeria fled Valyrian freeholds with her people, Alicent was basically telling Rhaenyra to run with her people (her kids and Daemon) the same way Nymeria fled with her people
"I lost respect for Daemon." He murdered his first wife!
Did he love his first wife, people claim daemon loves his family and his niece/wife?
Why did he choke her, was she trying to kill him?
@@jamerianpeterson2699 Doesn't matter. For love or for politics, they were married.
@@dmille1959 🤡
Daemon Targaryen Is a evil man !
THE CURRENT DRAGONS:
(The ones in square brackets are too young to matter, so Daemon doesn‘t count them.)
The Greens:
- Vhagar (Aemond), the last living dragon from Aegons conquest, and the largest one alive
- Sunfyre „The Golden“ (Aegon), said to be the most beautiful dragon alive
- Dreamfyre (Helaena), potentially the mother of Daenerys‘ dragons
- Tessarion „The Blue Queen“ (Daeron, third Son of Viserys and Alicent, didn‘t appear in the show yet since he‘s in Oldtown, but will next season), still young
[- Shrykos (Jaehaerys, eldest son of Aegon and Helaena), still a child dragon and never ridden]
[- Morghul (Jaehaera, eldest daughter of Aegon and Helaena), still a child dragon and never ridden]
The Blacks:
- Caraxes „The Bloodworm“ (Daemon)
- Syrax (Rhaenyra)
- Meleys „The Red Queen“ (Rhaenys)
- Vermax (Jacaerys)
- Arrax (Lucerys), R.I.P.
- Tyraxes (Joffrey)
- Moondancer (Baela)
[- Stormcloud (Aegon, eldest son of Daemon and Rhaenyra), still a child dragon and never ridden]
- Seasmoke (belonged to Laenor), should‘t be reclaimable until his rider is actually dead interestingly
- Vermithor „The Bronze Fury“ (unclaimed, belonged to The Old King Jaehaerys), the second largest after Vhagar but much younger and only slightly smaller, so might just be the strongest one alive
- Silverwing (unclaimed, belonged to The Good Queen Alysanne, the wife of Jaehaerys), said to nest with Vermithor
- Sheep Stealer (wild), got his name from his preference for mutton
- Grey Ghost (wild), rarely seen and I guess not that large, actually I don‘t know shit about this one
- The Cannibal (wild), got his name because he attacks and eats other dragons, said to have resided on Dragon Stone even before the Targaryens came to Westeros, a cruel huge black beast
Targaryen's are followers of The Sevens. Only on paper perhaps but Aegon The Conqueror converted to the Faith of The Seven. Although, Daemon & Rhaenyra got married as per Valerian customs she married Laenor as per the Sevens.
It's always funny to me how people reacts to the choking scene. Eventhough DAEMON NEVER DID THAT IN THE BOOKS . But let me reminds you, Daemon nickname is The Rogue Prince. Not The Prince Charming.
Even Rhaenyra knows Daemon was capable of depravity (on the beach scene in eps 7) but she still wants to marry him because she knows Daemon really well.
I'm not saying what he's doing is right. But i'm glad Daemon stay with Rhaenyra til the end.
I agree with you about Daemon. That move was not ok. Daemon is not very likeable... nor is he a good guy (very few of the Targaryans are truly good). That doesn't mean that he's a bad character. He is very interesting and charismatic (thanks to Matt Smith no doubt). He can be right at times as much as he can be wrong. And he can do some good things. But he is at best an anti-hero with a very dark side. We saw that all throughout the season. The way he used the City Watch to butcher "criminals" in the street. The fact that he killed his first wife. The way he beat a messenger bloody in the Step Stones because he didn't like what the message said. And the fact that he would challenge his queen's commands in front of everyone at court (something that the pseudo-fandom hated when Sansa did it to Jon... perhaps a bit of misogyny there), shows that Daemon is a loose cannon who cares not who he offends. I don't like Daemon as a person. But as a character...I can't wait to see what he does next.
funny how you talk about misogyny while you're always pulling the Sansa vs Daenerys thing, which is basically female rivalry
@@Nihilanth Ahh...we meet again!! You swore to avoid me because you thought I was too "dumb" to talk to... simply because I don't agree with you. And yet, you keep showing up on my comments to express yourself. Ironically, my comment about misogyny had less to do with Sansa, and much more to do with Rhaenyra. When it was Jon the King who was being publicly questioned, the Fandom worked themselves into a lather. Yet when Rhaenyra the Queen gets very aggressively challenged, there's hardly a reaction. Hope that clears it up for you.
@@NovaLena22 i never said that, lol.
but i agree, you're kinda dumb
@@Nihilanth You absolutely did say that. And now you're agreeing with yourself. What a shock?!!
Arrax: 🔥
Vhagar: “and I took that personally…”
Rhaenys had to wait for Corlys before she could declare for Rhaenyra
"It's so funny what Otto says, that in the book when Aegon II was crowned many of the people of Kings Landing were crying and were confused until a voice came out saying "Long Live The Queen"."
"She was my only daughter, and they killed her. They stole my crown and murdered my daughter, and they shall answer for it.” - Rhaenyra
"On Dragonstone, Queen Rhaenyra collapsed when told of Luke's death.
[...] As the black council sat to consider how to strike back, a raven arrived from Harrenhal. "An eye for an eye, a son for a son," Prince Daemon wrote. "Lucerys shall be avenged."
Can you please tell me in what book the dance of dragons is actually told (fully) ? Or are there bits and pieces of it scattered in multiple ones ?
can ya'll just stop spoiling
@@BhBc8f8 where's the spoiler? the final ost when Rhaenyra found out about Luke is named "vengeful music"
More like Queen breakfast of Sunfyre
@@AnkitSingh-cd7tw yeah she became food to that golden cricked, while the usurper cunt of a king didn't even get the chance to have a dragonrider death 💀
Rhys steals every scene he's in, but they intentionally or unintentionally made Otto look such a badass in that scene 😩😭! He didn't even flinch at Syrax 😭. *"The succession changed the day your father sired a son. I only regret that you and he were the last to see the truth of it." * Cold & deep cut! Meanwhile Blackcels were fawning over Rhaenyra and Daemon's 2nd grade temper tantrum "omgg she took his badge!!" 😭😭😭. Perfect eg. of logic vs emotion.
I see it as that he knows Rheanyra will not kill him and will try to resolve everthing peacefuly because she is a Queen and queens dont kill messengers unlike the Hightower's.
YESSSSS. What a treat to come home to after today lol 🎉
What Viserys said is true. “The idea that we control the dragons… is an illusion.”
After Vhagar, Vermithor is the biggest, oldest, fiercest, and most battle hardened dragon alive. He was ridden by old King Jaehaerys till his death and has lived at Dragonstone in a lair in the Dragonmont, most likely with Silverwing. Silverwing was ridden by Queen Alysanne, Jaehaerys' sister/wife, and has also lived in a lair at the Dragonmont since Alysanne's death. It's is said the two dragons coil together, like Caraxes sings love songs to Syrax...Dragon love.
"She was my only daughter and they killed her, they stole my crown and murdered my daughter, they shall answer for it." - Rhaenyra Targaryen in Fire and Blood
Even though Aemond clearly didn't intend to go as far as purposefully kill Luke, I still think it's fair to say that Aemond killed Luke.
Vhagar was close to killing Luke and Arrax multiple times before Aemond lost control of Vhagar, and even with all these close-calls, he never backed off. What did he think would happen? When would it have been enough?
Aemond has every right to be upset that he was permanently maimed, but Luke was eight when it happened, and he thought Aemond was going to kill Jace. Aemond doesn't need to "let it go" I think, but demanding an eye in return is completely unreasonable, and wouldn't be just.
I'm sorry no one helped Aemond cope better with what he went through, but this is still 100% on him.
despite being a really loyal creatures and has strong bond with their riders to the point they could even know what their riders want without saying ajy words and can feel their emotions in fact the dragons have emotions and personalities in their own and sometimes this emotion is so strong they completely ignore their riders will and act in their own arrax felt really angry because it was being hunted like that so he decided to attack in his own in the other hands vhaegar was so angry due to the fact that a little dragon isn't even 1/5 of its size actually dare to attacks her so she go mad and decided to ignore aemond's will and kill both luce and his dragon
Helaena's dragon is=Dreamfyre,the one which Boy Aemond see in Dragon Pit
And Aegon's dragon is Sunfyre not Vermax
Dragon isn’t a slave, and an illusion to think so.
People get angry with Aemond (yeah he f up) but don’t know he was still a teen himself when it happened lol though he should have known better- but many get angry that he was the full reason of the war. Imo he jumpstarted a war that would have happened anyways since daemon would never let it rest if his immediate blood wasn’t on the throne. The events have already begun.
The whole rider and dragon connection is amazing and so much could be done with it
Daemon"s song has been translated and this guy on his channel has a theory that it could be a spell
when Daemon grabs Rhaenyra by the throat we understand how much he is like a dragon. He may serve you but don't ever assume to control him.
Call an abusive husband for what it is, stop with the dragon metaphors shit lol
@@perseusveil9376 abuse is something different. There is a reason why so many women are simping for characters like Daemon (or Damon and Klaus from Vampire Diaries)
@@nadinefeiler9204 Yeah, the reason being Matt Smith is attractive, just like Adam Driver and others playing this kind of character. Put an non attractive dude (id say ugly but I think Matt already is) doing the things Daemon does and it goes, like the meme, from flirting to harassment. There's also a reason why the daemyra fandom entered full copium consumption and full damage control after the episode. If strangling your wife because you don't like her decisions and attitude isn't abusive, then wow, thats a scary take on your part.
@@zer0phasez it is to a certain degree. He shares a lot of character traits with the dragons. Quick tempered, aggressive, hard or even impossible to fully control, violent... Violence is so much a part of Demon's personality that you must be aware that even if he may love you, some of it will be directed at you eventually.
@@nadinefeiler9204 Your not wrong
Vhagar is one crazy granny
She got pissed that a brat born yesterday has the nerve to take on her ,a valyrian survivor....
Rhys ifans is so good as otto, equally Steve toussaint is a better sea snake than I could have imagined.
Green has 3 Dragons 🐉
Aegon ride sunfyre
Aemond has vhagar
Helena ride Dreamfyre which said to be mother of drogon ,rhegal and visserion
Whats interesting is Rhaenyras favorite targ was Visenya who rode Vhagar- she even named her daughter (rip) after her, but Visenyas dragon kills her son
the greens dragons:
vhagar (aemond)
sunfire(aegon)
dreamfire(helaena)
tessaryon(daeron)
.................................
the black dragons:
caraxes
sirax
meleys
vermax
arrax
tiraxes
moondancer
vermithor
silverwing
seasmoke
sheepstealer
....................................
wild dragons:
canibal
grayghost
For reference, Vhagar is the largest dragon alive, Arrax is the SMALLEST dragon with a rider.
44:40 Nobody is gonna tell you to be open minded about Choking a woman, if they do they have some problems. If anything they'll tell you to be open minded about DAEMON and his Pain, he was 100% about OTTO , Viserys chose to ignore it, ignore him. He's 100% right again Now about OTTO who was ready kill Daemon , Rhaenyra, the kids etc. He knows Otto's made moves already & that Blacks are on the backfoot. They'll never be safe untill they force the greens to Surrender but Rhaenyra is making choices like Viserys. It'll get them killed because Otto will see to it that Aegon's Throne is secure one way or another and DAEMON knows this.
This moment is the start of the Dance of Dragons. Because the Answer of this last Incident is very dark.
Till this incident the Blacks whould accept the offer that was send to them. Because its a good offer instat of a war. But the call the Banners for the Sign of Strengh. Like we accept you offer, but never thing about to attack us, we have a big enough army to win.
But after this incident, the Queen makes a dark and brutal move.
If you never watch the Sory Telling from ever Season, then you don't know what will follow. But the Dance of Dragon event, starts here, with the decision the Queen makes after this. This decision is starts the war in full.
As the dragon was king jaeherys who was grandfather to daemon he probably learnt it from his grandfather..... He cannot be bonded to another dragon since he is bonded to caraxes so ig he was just taming him since he has been wild for like 20+ years
The ending of this finale is a clear indication that once you open the gateway to Hell, there's no closing that door. 🔥
Daemon was heir to Viserys cuz he was the only the closest male Targaryen. He never told Daemon when he was supposed to. He was also right basically telling Rhaenyra ur father was a good man but a weak king. So he doesn’t want hear about a stupid dream be the dragon not a dreamer.
It might have upset Daemon but I feel like people are focusing too much on the reveal of the prophecy. Viserys is the reason they are in this situation in the first place because of his passivity. Daemon had to go to war because his brother would not. And now he hears his wife/queen/niece take the same passive stance, hiding behind excuses. Daemon gave her a taste of what could happen because he needed her to understand how real their situation is.
The Song of Ice and Fire is not an excuse lol Viserys and Rhaenyra act with this knowledge, Daemon does not. They are right, considering the world of men is more important than civil conflicts. He's just hurt af that Viserys never considered him a worthy heir, and with full reason. And he never went to the Stepstones for the realm, but to gain glory as thats how Corlys persuaded him.
@@perseusveil9376 in Daemon's eyes >.>
I fully understand why you would lose respect for Daemon over the choking. And I am certainly not going to try to make any excuses or justify anything about it. I do like to point out that Rhaenyra didn’t seem to get very upset about it. She was more surprised over the fact that her father had never shared the prophecy with Daemon. And I think you are totally spot on when you said that this proved that Viserys never thought of Daemon as his heir. I think that is totally the rationale for why he freaked out like that. And the dragon that he was singing to was Vermithor, last ridden by his grandfather King Jaehaerys. He is the second largest dragon at this time. I think that Rhaenys held off, kneeling to Rhaenyra at her crowning because she was waiting to meet with her husband and determine how they were going to proceed as House Velaryon. But she was definitely impressed by her at that time, as demonstrated in her conversation with Corlys.
The translation has been confirmed thanks to the language's creator, David J. Peterson (via Archive Of Our Own).
In it, it is revealed that the name of the song Daemon sings to Vermithor is "With Three Heads". Check the English translation:
Fire breathes, winged leader
but two heads
For a third to sing
From my voice:
The fires spoke
And the price has been paid
with blood magic
With words of fire
with clear eyes
To tie the three
for you i sing
As one we come together
And with three heads
We'll fly like we were meant to
beautifully, freely
In the book Aemond he kills Luke and because he wanted not to and as he is showing in the series that he is sorry, the name of Rhaenyra's baby would be a girl and her name would be visenya
In the book Aemond he kills Luke because he wants to and when he gets home he celebrates and Aegon and alicent they celebrate luke's death different from the series they put it as an accident that the Two lost control of the dragons in the book there is no such thing as losing control of the dragons they spoiled everything in the series but anyway Aemond killed Luke he could have prevented it It was just him not following Luke but that asshole Aemond went after the kid now he's going to bear all the consequences now l' m wondering how they are they going to do this in the series because in the book the greens are all happy with luke's death for alicent, aegon and even aemond so i'm wondering how they are going to do it in the series because the writers put it as if it was an accident and that aemond didn't wanted to kill Luke unlike the book where he kills Luke because he wants to, I didn't like that much they did it just to make people feel sorry for the greens in my opinion, In the book Aemond kills Luke because he wanted to kill Luke different from the series that showed that it was an "Accident" but depending on how Aemond was and blamed for Luke's death he could have avoided it An example was just he didn 't follow Luke then he wouldn't kill Luke anymore like Aemond is a donkey, imbecile is an idiot he did shit and now the greens will pay for everything they did
Rhaenyra wasn't dreaming of a dragon giving birth. Her own dragon, Syrax, was screaming in pain at her because they are so bonded. If you notice during the Battle of the Stepstones, Caraxes screams when Daemon is hit by an arrow. this shows how Rhaenyra and Daemon have a great connection with their dragons. Rhaenyra's anger burns the whole transition was so well done, her anger is completely justified compared to how they made Daenarys
Daemon as crazy as it gets, he loved his brother. From the scene where he stopped Corlis talking shit about Viserys in ep 1, helping on the throne to mourning on the beach. I don't think Daemon wanted to show weakness because Rhaenyra was at her most vulnerable and it wasn't easy.. (His last wife died in childbirth, and I believe it is also said that his mother died in childbirth and the wife of Viserys died in childbirth.) So the only thing he could do was prepare for the war he knew was coming. The scene on the beach was much longer of him on the beach Matt the actor he shot a scene on the beach the daemon suffering from the death of his baby who was a girl and her name was the series visenya but HBO preferred to remove this scene the daemon he is not no saint anymore he loves his family he loves his children and really rhaenyra just unfortunately the writers prefer not to show that side of him much, i think the reason daemon didnt go to rhaenyra when she was giving birth is because he feared having to make an impossible choice. The last woman he had complications with died. He didn't want to have to make that choice for Rhaenyra. He couldn't lose her that way. When he dropped to his knees, he was relieved that she was okay and had survived. Rhaenyra didn't want help during the birth because of her mother's death. She wanted to get that baby out so she wouldn't suffer the same fate. This series/book is awesome...
Matt Smith said that Daemon would give his life for Viserys and Rhaenyra. I fully believe he was heartbroken to see his brother in that condition. we books Alicent she hates Rhaenyra she was always jealous of Rhaenyra so much that I wish rhaenyra's death no and as in the series it shows that alicent is like that and because we books she does things because she because she is a bad person
Let's see the losses Rhaenyra lost mother and father and daughter and son and Daemon lost father and mother in childbirth and also lost his wife who is Laena and son and now he lost brother and daughter and two other children They are suffering, but each one of their own ways, the daemon starts preparing for war because he knows Otto very well and he is afraid of losing his family One thing I say is that the two really love each other rhaenyra she can't survive without the daemon They are the best couple like it or not they are everyone's popular Daemyra forever
Emma Darcy who plays Rhaenyra she says that the daemon never laid a hand on Rhaenyra that this was the first time that Rhaenyra her character didn't care much because she knows that the daemon did that and Because he's angry and he's letting his emotion out and she also says which character of hers cares the most about what she just found out that the daemon doesn't know about prophecy because Rhaenyra I thought the daemon knew because he was heir to viserys for 10 years that's why she put a smile on the side of her mouth because she just found out that her father always chose her and Rhaenyra had her doubts if her father wanted her as heir remembers episode 2 when Rhaenyra talks to Alicent poise now after years he got her answer The daemon must be sad because it's his brother and he just found out that he was never chosen and that brother never trusted him enough to tell him and that's more heartbreaking A script for the first season came out that HBO thought of putting in the story a scene that the viserys was thinking of telling the daemon then he starts talking to the daemon but then gives up only that they They didn't put this scene unfortunately
I think the biggest reason people didn't like the scene of Daemon smothering Rhaenyra is because he's supposed to be a bad guy to the greens, but the protector of his family. Daemon isn't a saint, but he's definitely not a villain. He does a lot of bad things, but he's a gray character, and loving his family and protecting them is one of his redeeming qualities and some writers are trying to take that away from him.
There are two teams, the Green Team that belongs to Alicent and the Black Team that belongs to Rhaenyra, I hope to see Rhaenyra with fire in her eyes in the second season, The Greens will pay for everything they did
That look on Rhaenyra's face at the end says it all. She's going to war.
Daemon's Song translation from Valyrian to English:
Fire breather
Winged leader
But two heads
To a third sing
From my voice:
The fires have spoken
And the price has been paid
With blood magic
With words of flame
With clear eyes
To bind the three
To you I sing
As one we gather
And with three heads
We shall fly as we were destined
Beautifully, freely
(my opinion) Daemon claiming Vermithor (formerly king Jaehaerys' dragon)as the 2nd dragon is based on the blood sacrifice of his deceased child...
It is impossible for someone to ride multiple dragons. I think he was just checking to see if Vermithor was still tame enough to ride and get Vermithor familiar with his scent so Daemon's daughter that doesn't have a dragon can eventually ride Vermithor
Vermithor "The Bronze Fury" belong to his grandfather Old King Jaehaerys Targaryen and Silverwing belong to Queen Alyssane Targaryen, Daemon's and Viserys grandmother
Greens Blacks
Vhagar (Aemond) Syrax (Rhaenyra)
Sunfyre (Aegon) Caraxes (Daemond)
Dreamfyre (Helaena) Meleys (Rhaenys)
They have another one Vermax (Jacaerys)
but I don't want to spoil Arrax (Lucerys)
Tyraxes (Joffery)
Moondancer (Baela)
I’m kinda surprised even with the ending, aemond ended up as my favorite character 😂❤
I don't care if it's a year later. The hate for the greens usually is annoying. Aemond and Alicent are such interesting characters.
I recommend the rains of castamere as sung by Geoff Castellucci
"Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen labored for three days in her apartments in the Sea Dragon Tower of Dragonstone. One month premature, Visenya was a stillborn. The labour had begun when Princess Rhaenyra heard the news from King's Landing, that her father, King Viserys I Targaryen, had died, and that her half-brother, Prince Aegon, had claimed the throne and had been crowned King, despite Rhaenyra having been Viserys' heir.
According to Mushroom, Princess Rhaenyra had cursed Visenya while giving birth, calling her a monster. He also claims that Visenya had dragon-like birth defects, describing her as having been twisted and malformed, with a hole in her chest where her heart should have been and a stubby, scaled tail.
Mushroom also claims that it had been he who brought Visenya to the yard of Dragonstone for burning."
Daemon was singing to reax the dragon, almost like a snake charmer
50:23 the greens have 4 dragons, aegon has sunfyre, aemond has vhagar, heleana has dreamfyre which is the dragon aemond sees in the dragon pit after getting the pink dread, & daeron has tesserion but we have not seen either of them as they are in old town w lord uncle hubert. Jacerys is Vermax rider.
Dearion is included in the show otherwise Deamon would've said 4
@@BhBc8f8 he said 3 adult dragons but at the end of his lines he does say 4
@@sageafterhours444 indeed but i have a feeling non book readers are gonna have a problem with his addition, as they should. It's going to be out of nowhere from their perspective. Not a single member of his own family talks about him. Let's hope they write him in intelligently.
@@BhBc8f8 I am a non book reader & i know very little of the lore. i only know this information bc GRRM said they didn't have time to work daeron into this season but that he & his dragon will be in season 2.
@@sageafterhours444 How could they not have time for literally one line of dialogue which would have fixed it. I hope they don't add him in S2 cause i personally can't think of how they would do it without it seeming like lazy writing. And i advise some caution looking up news from GRRM, you're just asking for spoilers mate.
Don't disappear on us!!..Hope to see more reactions in the new year. Merry Christmas.x
There were two things I was looking for in this first season that were kinda make it or break for me on the whole "Ryan Condal being a superfan" and man, just in this episode alone I got Rhaenyra giving birth to a dragon baby and let me tell you, I was SCREAMING at Aemond's blue sapphire eye! I didn't think Ryan Condal would do it. It's something kinda small that could've been overlooked because mostly he wears an eyepatch and unless you've read the book you wouldn't know any different! But he did it...and I'm seriously grateful 🔥🐲
Ps. I am totally with you on the DV with Daemon choking Rhaenyra and no, there is no excuse for it or justification, but also Daemon Targaryen is not a good person, he never claims to be and he did kill his first wife so he could groom and marry his teenage niece! He's supposed to be a very gray character, but leaning toward the dark side at times!
Remember once Viserys said everyone think that Targaryens control the dragons but it is just a illusion.
Vhagar Chose Aemond to relive her Golden Dornish War days!!
Son for a Son!! , An Eye for an Eye!!
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Trust me. Daemon Will do IT himself since he IS the "villain" Here. Sara Hess thinks that..and Ryan Said the chocking Scene was His favorite. I don't know what they are thinking for season 2 but it's pathetic
I think after running into a few walls Aemond changed his mind about being ok without an eye. Jokes aside I think he wanted to pay his mother back since she was the only one who stood up for him at all points in time and got put down in front of everyone in a sense with the whole eye debacle. I actually think when Luke was killed Aemond felt some sorrow as well for it was his own blood and even with the hatred you’d still feel pain about one’s family dying
The last part is wrong.
He knew he had started a war.
That was a oh sh*t face
@@jellalfernandes1309 I mean it may be wrong to you. For me it’s a mixture of both knowing that was a huge mistake and also a realization he killed his kin. I don’t think he just wouldn’t care lol he’s not a full psycho. Also bearing the name kinslayer isn’t an honorable thing. It would be a mixture of all those emotions.
He isn’t as dull as to just only feel an oh shit moment cause of the war.
Yeah I mean "i lost an eye but gain a dragon" was just something he said when his mother was about to take Luke's eye. Obviously he tried to calm the situation. Him saying it was Aegon who started the bastard rumors shows that he understands his mother isn't safe of repercutions, no matter if she's the queen. With Aemond everything is about his mother, kinda. But lots of Targaryens got a dragon without losing an eye, so asking him to stand by those words is bs. It was unfair and no one did anything to repair the situation (between taking Luke's eye and doing nothing, there's a full spectrum of possibilities and potential punishments, yet Nyra and Viserys, the main responsible adults with authority over Luke (not counting useless Laenor or Alicent) did nothing.
Deamon does Deamon things. Nothing Rhaenyra doesn't know. Deamon's freak out made her proud. She knew what Deamon didn't. And Deamon was disappointed, sad and angry. This was not a threat against Raehnyra.
Raehnys doesn't kneel because she can't do it without consulting her husband. When he is present, he is still the one who makes the decisions.
The stillbirth in connection with the dragon can have two purposes. It either shows the real attachment to her dragon and shows that she is a true dragon or it is related to the prophecy and Rhaenyra is punished. According to the prophecy, the only reason dragons exist and be ridden by Targeryens is to fulfill the prophecy. At least that's how it can be interpreted. The wrong woman has learned of the prophecy and now the false king is sitting on the throne. This goes against the prophecy. This is thus broken. The Targeryens are punished. This continues later when the dragons do not listen to their riders and Raehnyra's son dies.
Furthermore, dragons feel their owners. This can also be seen in stillbirth. That's exactly how the dragons of Aemond and Strong feel at the end. Both are angry, fearful, uncontrolled, and so are their dragons. Consequence they go crazy.
And as has already been said, dragons are not suitable for wars. They have no experience with this and certainly not to fight against each other. That they then become uncontrollable under stress and do not understand why they attack each other now.
As Viserys said at the beginning, it is a mistake to believe Targeryens control dragons.
39:23 no BABS !
Aemon's dragon is gigantic and Luke's dragon is like a small fly in comparisson, Aemon went after Luke like a bully, totally unprovoked, they made it look like an involuntary homicide, but it was just murder, really..
Viserys said "Targeryens controlling the dragons is an illusion"
What was the line Viserys said? They tricked themselves into believing they’re in charge of the dragons? A dragon isn’t a slave
Those birthing scenes are something else, how intense !
Thanks for this season, Aish ! And now we'll wait for 1,5 year...
Warm regards from the Netherlands.
Rhaenys has to wait until her husband chooses a side, then she has to side with her husband. If she bows without her husband, she's usurped his authority as head of their house.
Queens Gambit! 7 episodes and you’re done. It’s more than what you might think from reading a bit.....I think you will like it a lot.
The daemon put his hand on Rhaenyra was it because of the prophecy because viserys didn't tell him (this doesn't exist in the books the Writers vented in the series) I understand the fight we both have because they don't talk like that on the same page, make the daemon put his hand on Rhaenyra, I think that was over the top, it wasn't necessary and the moment the daemon lets go of rhaenyra, you can see in the eyes of the daemon and Rhaenyra that they are both suffering and Rhaenyra says she never told you that and she smirks because she's realizing that the viserys chose her as heir to the throne because viserys didn't tell the daemon and Rhaenyra thought viserys had told him because the daemon had 10 years as heir and Viserys and after those 10 years, viserys never told him so he keeps imagining in the daemon's head how my brother who i loved so much never trusted me right now the daemon must be very hurt because daemon always wanted to show his worth to viserys and he loves his brother the daemon and a person who he has a hot head, he is proud, but he also has feelings, but sometimes he ends up expressing it wrong, then the daemon loses another child because he already lost one, then he discovers that his brother died Then later he discovers that his brother never trusted him and that it hurts his heart and daemon is feeling all of this but he ends up putting everyone else these feelings in rhaenyra who is not to blame it's the moment he lets go she sees his eyes of sadness and before he leaves if you notice he looks down he looks at her belly Then he remembers the daughter they lost, Daemon didn't stay with Rhaenyra because he didn't want to make the same choice he made with Laena the daemon has truama in fact the daemon always had for those who don't know the daemon's mother died in childbirth so the daemon already has a trauma because he never wanted to have children, so the daemon didn't want to be with Rhaenyra so he wouldn't make the same choice there when Rhaenyra loses the child Rhaenyra Stays with the daughter since the daemon goes to the beach to suffer there that reminded me in the first episode of the throne scene there is a daemon and viserys is the daemon tells viserys that each person suffers in a different way, and it reminds me of the scene the two are suffering each alone but rhaenyra and daemon are grieving for their daughter unfortunately we didn't see much of the other side of the daemon this season because the writers and HBO preferred not to show in my opinion the most wronged is Matt Smith Mano he made several scenes of the daemon showing the sentimental side of the daemon him hugging his daughters is him on the beach grieving for the death of his daughter with Rhaenyra and he spends hours and hours on the floor grieving for visenya's death and we simply received in this episode just a quick scene of him grieving for his daughter in the book it says a lot that the daemon is a great father and that he loved his two Wives Laena and Rhaenyra unlike the series which showed very little and I think it's really sad because they're not showing the real daemon Of course he's hot headed and he's crazy but man he loves his family he would never hurt his family until the actor himself says that the daemon would give his life for Viserys is Rhaenyra and very sad what they are doing to this character.
The scene at the end was matt's idea he had an idea that who should break the news of luke's death should be the daemon there the writers and emma give up the idea there they did, if you notice it at the time of the scene when daemon enters in the room rhaenyra's attention goes all to the daemon because she knows that something has happened and on the way the daemon is approaching rhaenyra you notice that he puts a hand on his face indicating that he cried there when he got closer to rhaenyra he didn 't even be able to look us in her eyes
Poor Rhaenyra lost a father and she didn't even go to his wake because Alicent hid viserys's death and so rhaenyra couldn't even say goodbye to viserys and she lost two sons Luke is Visenya in the book rhaenyra she blames the Greens for her baby's death and somehow she's right because Rhaenyra was fine But then he received the news all at once, he received the news that his father died and that his own brother stole his throne. This was all very emotional for her, especially Because she is pregnant so yes the greens were to blame for her daughter's death she would be the first child Rhaenyra is to have with Daemon
7:24 Daemon thinks that viserys was murdered because the greens made Aegon king right away and saved all the people in prison, not to mention that viserys is dead and this is all suspect, so of course Daemon or anyone else will think that viserys was murdered because the greens hid the death of viserys and they quickly put Aegon on the throne and when that nobody says Nothing to Rhaenyra so it's very suspicious so I understand Daemon's side of he's upset and angry is that now he wants revenge is we can't forget that Daemon and Rhaenyra are in Mourning but I also understand Rhaenyra's side of not wanting to go to war, what She was doing is right, a king has to keep the peace and Rhaenyra was trying everything not to go to the war and not having blood But now it's too late now it's war Rhaenyra has lost many things and now she has to fight for her Throne and for the lives of her children
9:17 what Rhaenyra said in that scene to me doesn't make sense she said that Daemon is crazy and that he's fighting his own war if you remember right in episode 7 Rhaenyra tells Daemon that she needs him and that she couldn't do this alone , so she's asking him for help, here comes this scene where Rhaenyra says Daemon is waging his own war for me It doesn't make sense, Daemon is protecting his family, he's doing what she asked him to do in episode 7, I think it was a Script Hole because it doesn't make sense in my opinion
14:27 This scene with Rhaenyra was very beautiful, you realize that it was very different from Aegon, the two scenes are different, the music in both scenes are very good, no one can deny that, in the scene with Aegon, no one gets on their knees for him, in the scene with Rhaenyra everyone they get on their knees because she is the true heir to the Iron Throne, and I also noticed the reference in episode 8 when the crown of viserys fell and it was Daemon who placed the crown on viserys and now it is Daemon putting the crown on his wife his Queen
18:58 It makes reference to Episode 2, the difference between the two scenes and that in Episode 2 Rhaenyra was on Otto's side, It is now in this scene that Rhaenyra is on Daemon's side
20:47 Refers to Episode 1 when Rhaenyra rips a piece out of the Book and gives it to Alicent
My favorite characters I have many more My Favorite Characters first is second is Rhaenyra is Daemon,What are your Favorite Characters?
I hope you post your reaction to HOTD Season 2
44:27 idk they're husband and wife with similar personalities. Rheanyra wasn't offended so why should we? I'm not saying it's okay but this is Rheanyra we're talking about. If she ever felt Deamon was abusive towards her she would've murdered him a long time ago. I trust her judgement.
He wasn't there when Corlys arrived because she WAS offended. And she is a sovereign, making choking her a capital offense, death penalty. What would Robert Baratheon or Stannis have done?
@@stevencolatrella3257 Literally the first thing she said was "you didn't know". Does that sound like someone who is bothered by Daemon being overly aggressive? Daemon wasn't there when Corlys arrived because she sent him to tame a riderless Dragon.