This channel is living proof that the presenter can have an immense influence on his audience. It’s not a coincidence that this is one of the most civilised comment sections on RUclips. It kinda feels like I’m in class with that one eloquent, soft spoken teacher who nevertheless managed to captivate the attention of everyone and made class fly by too fast.
I don't know how you ever got to a position to be able to amass a collection to that vast variety of fantastic firearms you have but I'm glad you did. I've watched you for a while and can say I thoroughly enjoy your videos. I really enjoy you unassuming approach to explaining your collection and the logical step by step break down of your thoughts and perspective on how these firearms are developed. Thanks for a glimps into your amazing and obviously loved collection. I can easily say I have seen firearms on your reviews I would never have seen had I not clicked on your first video I watched. Thanks again.
My friend who isn't a big gun nut got invited to go shooting with his godfather today. Afterwards he told me about a pump action rifle he tried out. I was like alright those are plentiful. He described it even more and showed me a picture. I have never seen a factory made reverse pump magazine fed gun before. The closest thing to something like this i've ever seen is the Idahoan Show's homemade shotgun. I instantly went through Forgotten Weapons's channel to try and find something about it as he didn't know the gun's name. Then I ended up here. Truly a magnificent piece of engineering. Might have to tag along for the next time he goes to the range..
Had an internship in the company in Germany, was allowed to hold one. Its a very unique gun, but doesnt include as much craftmanship as a normal Krieghoff gun
Fascinating. The sights moving on the Semprio may give an advantage to the Remington. Nonetheless, unique and a total surprise. It's really interesting to see the vastly different design philosophies between Europe and the US. As always, thank you for showing us. These guns (european) price wise are beyond most of us.
I have my grandfathers 760 Game Master. Rugged, reliable and fast. I like those examples. The Merkel Helix with muscle memory is obviously very fast. I can see the physics of speed in return to battery of the Krieghoff Semorio. That’s wonderful.
Australian viewer here , can have most of everything shown in this video , I personally took a look at a browning Maral rifle in .300wn at a local dealer . Keep up the good stuff .
It is certainly interesting for us all to see you get so excited about such unique mechanisms this way. I completely sympathize with you in that regard. Thank you for taking the time to review these items often so unfamiliar to the traditional American gun owner.
Thank you Seth. I am as excited to hear from you and all viewers, and people from around the world as I am about the guns; I wish I knew more languages. The gun community has no borders and counts millions.
Whats Amazing is You Give a very detailed view of 4 rifles, each rifle has it's quirks and downsides.You talk us into all 4 rifles, and Bow out Gracefully ! Nice Job
Hi Freddy - I keep thinking I should sell it as it ties up a lot of money. And then I take the Semprio out and it is so amazing - I just can't do it. I'll eat less. : )
I kept marveling at the engineering of the Krieghoff and it's farsightedness. However I keep hating myself for liking the "inferior" more down to earth Merkel. I just love the blue and walnut the straight pull that's lightning fast and the extruded magazine might seem unsightly to some but not me, I already have those in CZ's micro bolts. BTW the heavy sotck on the Krieghoff you spoke of kinda reminded me of yet another rifle I wish I never sold, the H&K SLB2000 NIB too I don't see those around very often.
Outstanding presentation and coverage of those rifles. Very nice designs. Did not know they existed. Many thinks for bringing that to our attention. :-)
Nice review but I’d like to make some comments. First of all, when something new comes out there will allways be people who oppose the change. This is exactly what happened when the Blaser R93 came out. It was so different that it was a shock to a lot of traditionalists. The when a few R93’s blew up after being fed some very very hot loaded handloads that by far exeeded safety specs they had found something to rant about. But there has never been a case of a Blaser blowing up with factory loads or handloads that were not overloaded. No R8 that I ever heard of blew up. Second, to my opinion it is not only about how fast you can cycle a round but more about how fast you can get the next round on target. With the R8 and the Helix the movement is contained between the shoulder and the left hand so that only the middle of the rifle is moving. With the Semprio the front end of the rifle is swinging around. Also the scope is moving back and forth so a lot more mass has be put in motion, a lot more energy has to be put in. That costs more time to get the rifle back in shooting position and get it steady again.
Those rifles blew up because the locking lugs failed, which is the common failing of similar designs. Also, straight pull bolts weren’t new and haven’t been for quite a while now.
Love your vids! Your persona in front of the camera is exactly what a gun reviewer should be. You don't bounce around pointing your subjects at everything and going all giddy with excitement of the gung ho mindset. It seems that you see your job as being the hands that act as those of your viewer while you explain the subject matter at hand. My firearms instructor shooting instructor as well as hunting and all things outdoors instructor father would love your channel were he still with us.
Very interesting. Always like seeing different action styles. I don't think I will ever see one in person however. You did not mention the caliber of the rifle. My first, and only straight pull rifle was a Schmidt-Rubin. I still marvel at the machining required to produce it. Keep up the excellent reviews as this is the only place to see these fine rifles demonstrated.
I have taken many white tail deer with my model 760, .308 caliber carbine. Handles like a dream and it alway comes right to your line of sight when you bring it to your shoulder.
A masterpiece. Outstanding quality compared to the plastic R8, in my opinion. As fast as a semi auto, as accurate as a bolt action. Only negative thing is it’s weight, heavier than most comparable rifles.
We Are Greatly Served by your thorough, and most civilized, presentations! This Semprio design is exceptionally intriguing. I will certainly explore it further. To me, you appear to be captivated by the mechanical system that any given gun manifests. I myself, would be a charter member of that society. A simple example of genius design for a hunting rifle, (or shotgun) is the double barrel by George Hoenig, a virtuoso gun maker.
Great to see someones making a video on the semprio! Currently have a HEYM SR21 as my main rifle and thinking about switching to a semprio. Your Video really helps! Great Channel!
The SR21 is such a fine rifle. I'm glad my video serves... as for the Semprio - so fine to see a new design - something brave and bold. I'm glad you're here and watching. I have so much to share.
I have been watching your videos almost religiously over the past few months. It`s great that a knowledgeable gun collector like yourself open a youtube channel, with a hands on experience of a lot of rifles and a substantial amount of fire arms to compare them to. I think the in-line action of the Krieghoff rifle is a great idea and of course, is an outstanding engineering accomplishment. I believe JMB had a patent for something similar. The only drawback with such a design would be that you would lose your scope picture during the reloading operation. I believe it would be more satisfying if the scope was connected to the stock-part of the rifle. Please keep the great videos coming! Best Regards, Magnus
Thank you Magnus, I'm doing my best and hopefully will improve my videos. I have many more guns to show and share. The Semprio is a revelation and the sights are surprisingly "on" despite the working of the action. They are on to something. You are right - if the sights were fixed - as on the Remington 760 - even better. Best to you.
The Semprio is a very unique firearm but I believe I'd prefer the Helix. Then the Semprio 2nd. I already own a couple 760's handed down to me from my father that after starting hunting at age12 with a Winchester in 32 Special at the age of 14 my father bought me the 760. Thank you.
Thank you very much for creating this video and comparing these rifles. The Semprio is amazing. I've shot a Rem 760 and pump shotgun. The design of the Semprio is better thinking of operation.
Great Video. But as a user of all of these German guns I have to add some facts that were not mentioned. First of all, the Blaser R8 is the best established hunting rifle in Germany. It was meanwhile tested by a governmental institution up to 18.000 bar pressure on the locking mechanism and never failed. This is because they changed the design of the locking mechanism - they added an additional plate under the claws that hold it into the barrel. Now it's nearly impossible that it will come out of the barrel. All of these guns can be easily disassembled by the user and barrels can be changed within seconds. You can adapt these rifles to everything you hunt, so you only need one rifle! All of them have manual cocking mechanisms and due to are outstanding safe, what is very high rated in Europe, because you don't need to train that much to reach a good safety level. They have excellent triggers. The one of the R8 can be switched between 650 gr. and 150 gr. by turning a knot on the detachable trigger/ magazine and the way to break the shoot is 1.5 mm. Despite that it will not release the trigger when it was dropped when cocked. The scopes on the R8 and the Semprio are mounted on the barrel and you can exchange them together with the barrel. So you can have several barrel - scopes combinations and you can change them within seconds without adapting the rifle by shooting. The fore and the back shaft can be exchanged by opening some screws - so you can change between a standard shaft and thumbhole one etc. The Merkel Helix only weighs 2.8 kg - you can add heavy barrels, suppressors etc. and you still have a light weight gun. Additionally it has an integrated Picantinny rail on the top for mounting scopes, which gives you the whole range of cheap scope mounts. Of course all of these rifles are produced with high precision, superior to all AR15 clones. Best Regards from Germany!
Hi Axel, Thank you for taking the time to write; very fine explanation. I like them all : R8, Helix, Semprio and actually all guns. On this side of the pond we like lots of guns - one rifle with several different barrels in different calibers is excellent and smart; but we like vaults full of guns and a different caliber for us means we have to buy a different gun : ) Fortunately, there is room for every approach. The very best to you and Frohe Ostern!
Not as novel as one might imagine. The Czech ss41 anti tank bull pup repetierbüchse is the origin of the semprio. The waffen ss used these bullpups during the second world war most unsuccessfully in the calibre 7.92x 94mm.
Hello Thanks to your well made video in 2019 i purchased a Semprio.It is extraordinary, extremely fast.Mine is in 7x64, more than enough for driven hunt;Equipped with a Kahles K16i just magic.I had some worries about the scope coming back toward my eyes, absolutely no problem I noticed an interesting feature, never touched before i thing.Has the slam fire .If you keep the trigger pulled, it will fire every time you close the gun.Kinda useless, but fun feature.
I am very impressed with your reviews! You have great knowledge of firearm design and history! Thank you for spending your time sharing such magnificent pieces of firearm engineering. Look forward to binge watching all of your vids.
That is the most awesome takedown rifle I’ve ever seen! The scope mounts where it should and stays with the barrel. I know that wasn’t the point of your wonderful video but I have a predilection for takedown rifles and love this one.
Fantastic. You have even taken the initiative and the extra dollars to purchase 3 rifles which epitomize engineering precision, quality parts, accuracy and art some Although, some designs can be over-engineered. I have always liked the R99 and R8..removable bolt heads and quick detachtachable barrels which allow the shooter to select any cartridge for any game.
Thanks Russell! I agree - engineering can become self-serving - I must say the Semprio is remarkable - weather a firearm or something else - the interrelationships of parts and functions is amazing.
I'm not sure whether the 'lock-open' feature is something required by German law. But mostly, these things are about 'safety etiquette'. Whenever you're at a hunt, your fellow hunters want to see from a distance (as far as the next post in a driven hunt) whether or not your gun is unloaded. The bolt-actions, the Blasers or even the break actions, are easy: you can clearly see from a distance that it's unloaded. Hence semi-autos are often not allowed (the game master can tell you to go home and not come back, if he/she sees you sporting one). The Krieghoff solved that problem by simply having the gun slided open. Sliding 'half-open' also prevents getting dirt and leaves in your gun.
great review, as always. i have an idea that any of these seemingly excellent products are hard to find and afford, but for a one hobby person, maybe a person could pursue this dream with eventual success. i still have a soft spot for a browing safari II with the old styling and the iron sights, but i really don't need anymore....
You can afford them is you stalk online shops from time to time waiting when they can throw 20%-80% discount. The only problem you buy them from online retailer or buy them piece by piece so it wont be factory fitted.
Moss berg is my choice pump It's affordable popular and parts are easy to obtain . Also several different guages and models to choose from One model even can take up to a twenty rd magazine . Very simple to take apart to clean or replace parts
The Kreighoff Semprio reminded me of the Czech SS41 from WW2. All very interesting designs - I'm particularly interested because of a project I'm working on. Great channel, great videos - thank you!
Hello aus71383 - Yes - I see the similarity. Also, have a look at Darne shotguns - the barrels slide forward. One of the most simple and strongest of all designs is a single shot with a sliding forward barrel. To fire - one slides the barrel forward and to close - slide back and the cartridge is against the standing breech. The action only has to hold the barrel against the standing breech - which is immovable and consequently, very strong. I saw a few different variations of this design - all interesting and operating perfectly.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Have you ever seen an action where the locking surface is the outside of the barrel? I'm imagining almost an inside out version of the Blaser type - which is essentially a flapper lock system, but with the full circumference involved. I will look up the Darne shotguns. Thanks again!
Another fascinating video. Thank you. BTW, these rifles can be owned in the UK. However, semis are limited to .22LR. Pump rifles are just not popular but the Blaser is quite popular.
So glad the Semprio is legal in the UK - I was told the opposite several times - but you would know. The more I study the Semprio - the more interesting it gets.
I have to apologise for having written without checking the facts. I thought I knew. Pump action rifles were banned along with semi-autos post Hungerford massacre in 1987. Both, semis and pumps, are restricted to .22 calibre. Sorry once again.
@@mdirtydogg Crazy when you consider the speed of a straight pull and no mag limits? Can own a straight pull FAL but not a 3 shot semi auto hunting rifle.
I greatly appreciate your videos. I am not elk hunting this year, but for next year I plan to replace my bolt action with a straight pull. Your videos are the start of my research in that regard. While I am often eager to adopt new technology, a couple of cons on this design occur to me. You already mentioned the large reciprocating mass, and that is without the additional mass of a scope. But also consider the additional trouble of having to lift the forearm from a rest, such as a ground blind, for the follow-up shot. Also, if if the scope base alone cost over $500 in 2018, then it seems that I could hardly justify the supposed price of this rife. So my initial candidates at this early stage are the Merkel Helix, the Browning Maral, and the Savage Impulse. The latter would win on price only. I have suffered baffling quality problems with Savage. And I have had that nearly identical stock on a Savage bolt action, and it felt cheap.
Hi Will, I would buy the Helix or the Blaser R8 - the latter seems to be the rifle of choice for so many European hunters - they must know. Also, the R93 remains superb.
One way to test primary extraction is to slightly deform a cartridge case with needle nose pliers, chamber the case, and then (try to) extract it and feel the force needed. Examining the recesses the bolt locks into can give an idea e.g. caming surfaces. It would be interesting to see what the colletts lock into but that would be difficult to see in person let alone to film. Best regards--Conrad
Thanks Conrad - that sounds about right. Someone suggested cyanoacrylate - sounds dramatic to me but would be the ultimate test. I'll have to try something! Thanks for writing.
I loved the first Semprio I held but after sales service for Blaser over here is second to none. Plus there are plenty of spare barrels floating around on the second hand market. If you add a scope to the barrel and big scope that is a lot of reciprocating mass to move forward. Probably not an issue with a small red dot for driven hunts.
I agree with everything you wrote. The Seprio is in a class of its own. Whether it all makes sense is another question - but it is so unique and the principles so unusual for a run at full production are unprecedented. I think these will have high collector value when they are out of production. I use one simply because they are so different - like the Heeren falling block...sort of.
at first, the "backwards" motion seemed bizarre, but it actually does make sense that the motion pulls it back against your shoulder instead of pushing it away like the traditional motion
Your a wealthy man arent you. An thats not a bad thing as long as you possess things an not let them possess you. You probably have the best gun collection in the world. An that a good inspiration to us all. An i like your attitude. Good job sir. May you continue to prosper.
Thanks for opinion! Semprio is awesome firearm. Very unique. But if you really need speed shooting while hunting on dangerous animals like grizzly bear, I'd say that semi-auto (like Browning BAR) is more wise choise. And if you need to make distant precision shot, a common bolt action rifle (like Tikka T3x or Rem 700) would be more accurate than this piece of art. Anyway, these are my reasons why I still don't have a Semprio. But I really like how it looks, and how it goes. And that pump sound it produces between shots is awesome.
Like most things Germ.....this is a great idea that could probably be vastly simplified . Germs have a passion for intricate design. I'd love to see the no nonsense Russian take on this action. The idea that the action itself is the takedown feature kinda kills two birds one stone . Though ....it is hard to imagine a more well designed firearm than the Savage 99 takedown combo with a optional 410 barrel. Far as manual operated rifles , there isn't much to improve there...
18:24 Why not? Like your videos after a long day on the couch, sometimes sleeping at the end. I don't say by any means they are boring, quite the opposite, but I like your calm voice, it's relaxing IMO.
Nice video. My main criticism to all pump or lever action rifles are that they are awkward to operate prone, or while shooting from an improvised rest like a branch or a shooting stick.
With that bolt fixed to the back as you pull the firing mechanism out, it almost looks like a handgun. Damn, keep the magazine to the back and add hinge action folded below front, and you would have the most anime gun possible!
The Helix mounts the scope in a familiar position. No movement of the receiver top. How does the R8 handle scope mounting? Must you use a long eye relief scope? The Semprio also looks as though the scope would move with the receiver when pumped. I understand center fire pump action is not permitted in the UK.
R8 uses a saddle mount on the barrel - standard position - regular scopes work fine. The Seprio moves the scope forward on pumping - seem like a bad idea; in use though - no difference at all.
Usog...I was researching the semprio after watching this and came across a video by Gerald Fuchs for the Doppelbusche Jagdbusche...I guess its a "double barrel" bolt action hunging rifle....with alot of jewelry and engraving...sorry to change the subject but it seems to emphasize your original point of the germans taking their guns very seriously....almost like a swiss watch.....i think the krieghoff is more my style...i wanted a model 14 till i saw this
You don't have a Browning Pump-rifle? on forums and here on youtube the owners swears by them, browning is always quality and not completely "regular" with the pumphandle moving down abit to. there is an aussie gunchannel with a great inlength review of one. I had bad luck when I bought a rem760, first shot and it locked up ): had to mortar it open
Great video. The "safe to carry"locking feature of the Semprio is not really a result of German law, but of the "accident prevention rules", which call for visibly safe guns at the gathering place of group-hunt-events.
Very curious design, but unless there is some design issue that makes it more accurate apart from the build quality, I think the Remington is a more natural movement and simpler design. Heck, is a shotgun rifle. What could be more natural a movement? It's the fact it's a pump shotgun rifle that makes people think it's cheap, including me ☺️. I'll have to check you're video on it.
USOG Yeah, but it would be nice if they had a model with some higher end quality build like the one you just bought though. I'm sure this one is more accurate than the Remington. Or is it? I'm one of those people who just assumed it wasn't very accurate, but maybe I'm wrong.
I have been re-viewing your videos, I love the science of comparing different actions and was thinking about the complex Semprio action (which is really impressive), but then I was thinking about the rolling block action with its extreme simplicity, which I value as a important characteristic of rifle design. In researching the rolling block, I could not get a sense of how strong that action really is. Part of the problem as I see it, is that it was developed in the black powder metallic cartridge days and was produced in great numbers through the transitional period to smokeless powders and is even made in beautiful reproductions (Italian) today. So we have a situation, where we have functional rolling blocks that are very old (a testament to the durability of the design) and on the other hand, I have read about failures and action strength concerns. I am wondering if this criticism is justified in a modern made (made for modern smokeless powders) rolling block or not. The question becomes, is a modern manufactured rolling block a strong action? Opinions vary. Either way, I think the rolling block deserves some praise for it role it played in history. Many thanks for the wonderful videos!
Very good comments. The rolling block is interesting for sure. The strength of the action is essentially the strength of the 2 pins; one for the block and the second, for the hammer. Of course, these two parts comprise a "block" when the hammer is forward. The cartridge pressure has leverage against the rolling block and the even lower in the action, pins - yet the pins are stout and fairly easy to be manufactured and fitted correctly. I've seen a couple that were "sprung" and they still worked well - just the cartridge moved backwards slightly on ignition. I'll find one an make a video. Thanks for the thoughtful comment and kind words.
I've seen your falling block video, please do a rolling block one. Didn't even know it existed, knew about the #1's one of those is also on my long list.
I agree with your analysis of the straight pull action Blaser (and others) potentially giving you a black eye. However I don't believe it is true of the Merkel Helix. The receiver looks to be one piece.
very interesting. difficult to get in the US which means it will be impossible to get in Canada. With a small firearms market, there might not be enough demand to justify importing a Krieghoff in to Canada but if they did, I would be in the market for one. Another informative video.
I read somewhere that there was a U.S.military unit that modified their pump action shotguns to fire as they worked the pump handle. So the soldier didn't even have to pull the trigger. I think that's the fastest solution.
What I would like to see is ball bearings inside of the bolt knob. Have a large ball bolt knob and inside the bolt knob there should be coated with rust proofed ball bearings so that the motion of turning the bolt would be gliding
I was fascinated by your experimentation with that stainless steel unrifled smooth bore hyper velocity “rifle” and analysis of what happens to the propelled bullet. The different action designs are also very interesting. Keep researching. I love to watch your blog. Are you from the U.K. ? Stay in touch.
Hi George, Thank you - velocity is interesting and I seem to have an inquisitive mind. I'm in British Columbia. There have been so many different types of firearms made - I'm always surprised at the seemingly endless variety.
The locktime on the 760 is very long due to the long hammer fall. That's the most important difference between the Semprio and the 760. I've replied in this thread about a converted Steyr M95M who predates the Semprio by 65 years.. This also have a faster locktime than the 760. In Olympic style moving target competition you loose points if you shoot with a 760 due to locktime.
Hmm. Is the Semprio made for open sights only? It looks like a struggle to shoot the Semprio with a scope on if it moves while reloading. Awesome rifles. Really enjoyed this video! Keep them coming! :)
Thanks Pontus, I thought the Semprio would be awkward with a scope - but in use: one doesn't notice a thing. Our eyes and brains are so fast. God made us well. : )
Speed of shooting can be quite theoretical. The recoil and the re-aiming make even a semi-automatic not particularly fast. Of course, when one wants to impress with firepower, they can be emptied in a second. But for hunting, getting a new one in the chamber, pumped or levered or gassed, in a record time is not as important as aiming and triggering fast and still being accurate. Bullet placement is the key. Fast shooting is generally less accurate, and with many hunters, often counterproductive.
I’m 50 and have been interested in firearms for decades. Never heard of this, thank you.
Thanks for being on the channel. Always something new; for me as well - every day : )
Sir,
Your quiet, thoughtful, and measured approach to your subject is so very much appreciated. Thank you for an excellent video!
The thanks are all mine. I appreciate your kind words.
This channel is living proof that the presenter can have an immense influence on his audience.
It’s not a coincidence that this is one of the most civilised comment sections on RUclips. It kinda feels like I’m in class with that one eloquent, soft spoken teacher who nevertheless managed to captivate the attention of everyone and made class fly by too fast.
Thank you Billie, I am humbled and grateful to you, and to everyone that takes the time to write. I wish you the very best.
I could not have imagined an action like the Sembrio, incredible! Thank you!
Good to hear from you again! The Semprio is a revelation. Brilliant design.
I don't know how you ever got to a position to be able to amass a collection to that vast variety of fantastic firearms you have but I'm glad you did. I've watched you for a while and can say I thoroughly enjoy your videos. I really enjoy you unassuming approach to explaining your collection and the logical step by step break down of your thoughts and perspective on how these firearms are developed. Thanks for a glimps into your amazing and obviously loved collection. I can easily say I have seen firearms on your reviews I would never have seen had I not clicked on your first video I watched. Thanks again.
Thank you Mike - I'm glad you're here.
My friend who isn't a big gun nut got invited to go shooting with his godfather today. Afterwards he told me about a pump action rifle he tried out. I was like alright those are plentiful. He described it even more and showed me a picture. I have never seen a factory made reverse pump magazine fed gun before. The closest thing to something like this i've ever seen is the Idahoan Show's homemade shotgun. I instantly went through Forgotten Weapons's channel to try and find something about it as he didn't know the gun's name. Then I ended up here. Truly a magnificent piece of engineering. Might have to tag along for the next time he goes to the range..
Had an internship in the company in Germany, was allowed to hold one. Its a very unique gun, but doesnt include as much craftmanship as a normal Krieghoff gun
Treasures. You have actual real life treasures. I am in awe of your taste in rifles.
Thank you!
Fascinating. The sights moving on the Semprio may give an advantage to the Remington. Nonetheless, unique and a total surprise. It's really interesting to see the vastly different design philosophies between Europe and the US. As always, thank you for showing us. These guns (european) price wise are beyond most of us.
They have good scopes that slide with the action scout long eye relief scope that work great
I have my grandfathers 760 Game Master. Rugged, reliable and fast. I like those examples. The Merkel Helix with muscle memory is obviously very fast. I can see the physics of speed in return to battery of the Krieghoff Semorio. That’s wonderful.
Glad to see a video on the Semprio!
Australian viewer here , can have most of everything shown in this video , I personally took a look at a browning Maral rifle in .300wn at a local dealer . Keep up the good stuff .
It is certainly interesting for us all to see you get so excited about such unique mechanisms this way. I completely sympathize with you in that regard. Thank you for taking the time to review these items often so unfamiliar to the traditional American gun owner.
Thank you Seth. I am as excited to hear from you and all viewers, and people from around the world as I am about the guns; I wish I knew more languages. The gun community has no borders and counts millions.
Whats Amazing is You Give a very detailed view of 4 rifles, each rifle has it's quirks and downsides.You talk us into all 4 rifles, and Bow out Gracefully ! Nice Job
Thank you Scott. I try : )
Legend.I just knew you would do a kreighoff review. Thanks.
Hi Freddy - I keep thinking I should sell it as it ties up a lot of money. And then I take the Semprio out and it is so amazing - I just can't do it. I'll eat less. : )
I kept marveling at the engineering of the Krieghoff and it's farsightedness. However I keep hating myself for liking the "inferior" more down to earth Merkel. I just love the blue and walnut the straight pull that's lightning fast and the extruded magazine might seem unsightly to some but not me, I already have those in CZ's micro bolts. BTW the heavy sotck on the Krieghoff you spoke of kinda reminded me of yet another rifle I wish I never sold, the H&K SLB2000 NIB too I don't see those around very often.
Outstanding presentation and coverage of those rifles. Very nice designs. Did not know they existed. Many thinks for bringing that to our attention. :-)
This video brings new meaning to the phrase " In Depth review". Excelleent.
I like the way the Sembrio barrel can be cleaned from the rear.
Nice review but I’d like to make some comments. First of all, when something new comes out there will allways be people who oppose the change. This is exactly what happened when the Blaser R93 came out. It was so different that it was a shock to a lot of traditionalists. The when a few R93’s blew up after being fed some very very hot loaded handloads that by far exeeded safety specs they had found something to rant about. But there has never been a case of a Blaser blowing up with factory loads or handloads that were not overloaded. No R8 that I ever heard of blew up.
Second, to my opinion it is not only about how fast you can cycle a round but more about how fast you can get the next round on target. With the R8 and the Helix the movement is contained between the shoulder and the left hand so that only the middle of the rifle is moving. With the Semprio the front end of the rifle is swinging around. Also the scope is moving back and forth so a lot more mass has be put in motion, a lot more energy has to be put in. That costs more time to get the rifle back in shooting position and get it steady again.
Those rifles blew up because the locking lugs failed, which is the common failing of similar designs. Also, straight pull bolts weren’t new and haven’t been for quite a while now.
You have one of the most interesting and classic private collections.
Thanks Ryan.
Love your vids! Your persona in front of the camera is exactly what a gun reviewer should be. You don't bounce around pointing your subjects at everything and going all giddy with excitement of the gung ho mindset. It seems that you see your job as being the hands that act as those of your viewer while you explain the subject matter at hand. My firearms instructor shooting instructor as well as hunting and all things outdoors instructor father would love your channel were he still with us.
Hey, anyone knows why the army doesn't use the pump or lever action rifles for snipers; its accuracy is not decent enough, is it ❓❓
Don't know what to say, I may never lay my hands on the Semprio, but at least now I know it exist. Thanks for the video!!! Learned~!
I had just watch the Krieghoff video the other day and was hoping to find an independent review of it. Awesome job Sir!
Thank you Mario - I truly appreciate that you are here and left such a good comment. Keeps me going.
Very interesting. Always like seeing different action styles. I don't think I will ever see one in person however. You did not mention the caliber of the rifle. My first, and only straight pull rifle was a Schmidt-Rubin. I still marvel at the machining required to produce it. Keep up the excellent reviews as this is the only place to see these fine rifles demonstrated.
Hi Gary, It's a .308 - such an interesting rifle. The Schmidt-Ribin and K31 are so well made and accurate. Remarkable quality.
I have taken many white tail deer with my model 760, .308 caliber carbine. Handles like a dream and it alway comes right to your line of sight when you bring it to your shoulder.
A masterpiece. Outstanding quality compared to the plastic R8, in my opinion. As fast as a semi auto, as accurate as a bolt action. Only negative thing is it’s weight, heavier than most comparable rifles.
We Are Greatly Served by your thorough, and most civilized, presentations! This Semprio design is exceptionally intriguing. I will certainly explore it further. To me, you appear to be captivated by the mechanical system that any given gun manifests. I myself, would be a charter member of that society. A simple example of genius design for a hunting rifle, (or shotgun) is the double barrel by George Hoenig, a virtuoso gun maker.
Great to see someones making a video on the semprio! Currently have a HEYM SR21 as my main rifle and thinking about switching to a semprio.
Your Video really helps! Great Channel!
The SR21 is such a fine rifle. I'm glad my video serves... as for the Semprio - so fine to see a new design - something brave and bold. I'm glad you're here and watching. I have so much to share.
Super video. I was unable to see how the locking lugs engage. Your gun videos are the best ever!
They are much like a turn bolt - activated by the pump motion - sorry the video isn't the best.
I have been watching your videos almost religiously over the past few months. It`s great that a knowledgeable gun collector like yourself open a youtube channel, with a hands on experience of a lot of rifles and a substantial amount of fire arms to compare them to. I think the in-line action of the Krieghoff rifle is a great idea and of course, is an outstanding engineering accomplishment. I believe JMB had a patent for something similar. The only drawback with such a design would be that you would lose your scope picture during the reloading operation. I believe it would be more satisfying if the scope was connected to the stock-part of the rifle.
Please keep the great videos coming!
Best Regards,
Magnus
Thank you Magnus, I'm doing my best and hopefully will improve my videos. I have many more guns to show and share. The Semprio is a revelation and the sights are surprisingly "on" despite the working of the action. They are on to something. You are right - if the sights were fixed - as on the Remington 760 - even better. Best to you.
Blaser R8 is popular here in Norway, easy to travel with and use. Semprio is rather unknown here.
Hello - yes - the R8 seems to be the "go to" rifle in many places. Semprio is more expensive and unusual - may not catch on so easily.
The 760 action is a familiar one for me. The Sempio is Similar to the Browning pump rifle that wasn't a hit in North America. Nice Review!
The Semprio is a very unique firearm but I believe I'd prefer the Helix. Then the Semprio 2nd. I already own a couple 760's handed down to me from my father that after starting hunting at age12 with a Winchester in 32 Special at the age of 14 my father bought me the 760. Thank you.
Thank you very much for creating this video and comparing these rifles. The Semprio is amazing.
I've shot a Rem 760 and pump shotgun. The design of the Semprio is better thinking of operation.
Hi Ambrose - You're most welcome. The Semprio is certainly one of those striking achievements in gun design. Glad you bought one!
another great video by you ! Keep up the good work you do . Greetings from norway ;)
Great Video. But as a user of all of these German guns I have to add some facts that were not mentioned. First of all, the Blaser R8 is the best established hunting rifle in Germany. It was meanwhile tested by a governmental institution up to 18.000 bar pressure on the locking mechanism and never failed. This is because they changed the design of the locking mechanism - they added an additional plate under the claws that hold it into the barrel. Now it's nearly impossible that it will come out of the barrel. All of these guns can be easily disassembled by the user and barrels can be changed within seconds. You can adapt these rifles to everything you hunt, so you only need one rifle! All of them have manual cocking mechanisms and due to are outstanding safe, what is very high rated in Europe, because you don't need to train that much to reach a good safety level. They have excellent triggers. The one of the R8 can be switched between 650 gr. and 150 gr. by turning a knot on the detachable trigger/ magazine and the way to break the shoot is 1.5 mm. Despite that it will not release the trigger when it was dropped when cocked. The scopes on the R8 and the Semprio are mounted on the barrel and you can exchange them together with the barrel. So you can have several barrel - scopes combinations and you can change them within seconds without adapting the rifle by shooting. The fore and the back shaft can be exchanged by opening some screws - so you can change between a standard shaft and thumbhole one etc. The Merkel Helix only weighs 2.8 kg - you can add heavy barrels, suppressors etc. and you still have a light weight gun. Additionally it has an integrated Picantinny rail on the top for mounting scopes, which gives you the whole range of cheap scope mounts. Of course all of these rifles are produced with high precision, superior to all AR15 clones. Best Regards from Germany!
Hi Axel, Thank you for taking the time to write; very fine explanation. I like them all : R8, Helix, Semprio and actually all guns. On this side of the pond we like lots of guns - one rifle with several different barrels in different calibers is excellent and smart; but we like vaults full of guns and a different caliber for us means we have to buy a different gun : ) Fortunately, there is room for every approach. The very best to you and Frohe Ostern!
Great info on guns that I didn't know I was interested in or even knew existed. Pure learning experience.
Glad my videos are okay - thanks for being here.
Not as novel as one might imagine. The Czech ss41 anti tank bull pup repetierbüchse is the origin of the semprio. The waffen ss used these bullpups during the second world war most unsuccessfully in the calibre 7.92x 94mm.
I looked those up; interesting for sure.
Hello
Thanks to your well made video in 2019 i purchased a Semprio.It is extraordinary, extremely fast.Mine is in 7x64, more than enough for driven hunt;Equipped with a Kahles K16i just magic.I had some worries about the scope coming back toward my eyes, absolutely no problem
I noticed an interesting feature, never touched before i thing.Has the slam fire .If you keep the trigger pulled, it will fire every time you close the gun.Kinda useless, but fun feature.
Thank you for the great video. I Really enjoy your in depth way of describing these really awesomely designed firearms. Thanks again.
Thanks Jim!
I am very impressed with your reviews! You have great knowledge of firearm design and history! Thank you for spending your time sharing such magnificent pieces of firearm engineering. Look forward to binge watching all of your vids.
Thank you Bowhunter 1 - I'm so happy to share and glad you are here.
That is the most awesome takedown rifle I’ve ever seen! The scope mounts where it should and stays with the barrel. I know that wasn’t the point of your wonderful video but I have a predilection for takedown rifles and love this one.
Thank you! Hope you get on of these - a rifle for the ages - they don't come along very often. Amazing. All the best.
Very interesting, actions I have never been acquainted with..!
Great video. Well paced and informative.
Just great! Thanks. Love the history mixed with your enthusiasm.
Thank you so much. The Semprio is so exciting - a really unique design!
Fantastic. You have even taken the initiative and the extra dollars to purchase 3 rifles which epitomize engineering precision, quality parts, accuracy and art some Although, some designs can be over-engineered. I have always liked the R99 and R8..removable bolt heads and quick detachtachable barrels which allow the shooter to select any cartridge for any game.
Thanks Russell! I agree - engineering can become self-serving - I must say the Semprio is remarkable - weather a firearm or something else - the interrelationships of parts and functions is amazing.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Indeed, that level of engineering and craftsmanship is always intriguing sir!
I find this chanell like Forgotten weapons, only more interesting.
I'm not sure whether the 'lock-open' feature is something required by German law. But mostly, these things are about 'safety etiquette'. Whenever you're at a hunt, your fellow hunters want to see from a distance (as far as the next post in a driven hunt) whether or not your gun is unloaded. The bolt-actions, the Blasers or even the break actions, are easy: you can clearly see from a distance that it's unloaded. Hence semi-autos are often not allowed (the game master can tell you to go home and not come back, if he/she sees you sporting one). The Krieghoff solved that problem by simply having the gun slided open. Sliding 'half-open' also prevents getting dirt and leaves in your gun.
great review, as always. i have an idea that any of these seemingly excellent products are hard to find and afford, but for a one hobby person, maybe a person could pursue this dream with eventual success. i still have a soft spot for a browing safari II with the old styling and the iron sights, but i really don't need anymore....
Hi Greg - I see the Brownings coming up at very reasonable prices. Hope you bump into one.
You can afford them is you stalk online shops from time to time waiting when they can throw 20%-80% discount. The only problem you buy them from online retailer or buy them piece by piece so it wont be factory fitted.
Great video. Learned a bunch. Good job.
Thanks Don!
Wow sir!! What an incredible video!! Thank you so much!! Great video!!
You're most welcome. Thank you for being on the channel. God Bless.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns you are welcome sir.
Moss berg is my choice pump
It's affordable popular and parts are easy to obtain . Also several different guages and models to choose from
One model even can take up to a twenty rd magazine . Very simple to take apart to clean or replace parts
The Kreighoff Semprio reminded me of the Czech SS41 from WW2. All very interesting designs - I'm particularly interested because of a project I'm working on. Great channel, great videos - thank you!
Hello aus71383 - Yes - I see the similarity. Also, have a look at Darne shotguns - the barrels slide forward. One of the most simple and strongest of all designs is a single shot with a sliding forward barrel. To fire - one slides the barrel forward and to close - slide back and the cartridge is against the standing breech. The action only has to hold the barrel against the standing breech - which is immovable and consequently, very strong. I saw a few different variations of this design - all interesting and operating perfectly.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Have you ever seen an action where the locking surface is the outside of the barrel? I'm imagining almost an inside out version of the Blaser type - which is essentially a flapper lock system, but with the full circumference involved. I will look up the Darne shotguns. Thanks again!
Another fascinating video. Thank you. BTW, these rifles can be owned in the UK. However, semis are limited to .22LR. Pump rifles are just not popular but the Blaser is quite popular.
So glad the Semprio is legal in the UK - I was told the opposite several times - but you would know. The more I study the Semprio - the more interesting it gets.
I have to apologise for having written without checking the facts. I thought I knew. Pump action rifles were banned along with semi-autos post Hungerford massacre in 1987. Both, semis and pumps, are restricted to .22 calibre. Sorry once again.
@@mdirtydogg Crazy when you consider the speed of a straight pull and no mag limits? Can own a straight pull FAL but not a 3 shot semi auto hunting rifle.
Great video and the various styles of actions, and differences between with the explanations of them are great.
Thanks Thomas!
I greatly appreciate your videos. I am not elk hunting this year, but for next year I plan to replace my bolt action with a straight pull. Your videos are the start of my research in that regard. While I am often eager to adopt new technology, a couple of cons on this design occur to me. You already mentioned the large reciprocating mass, and that is without the additional mass of a scope. But also consider the additional trouble of having to lift the forearm from a rest, such as a ground blind, for the follow-up shot. Also, if if the scope base alone cost over $500 in 2018, then it seems that I could hardly justify the supposed price of this rife. So my initial candidates at this early stage are the Merkel Helix, the Browning Maral, and the Savage Impulse. The latter would win on price only. I have suffered baffling quality problems with Savage. And I have had that nearly identical stock on a Savage bolt action, and it felt cheap.
Hi Will, I would buy the Helix or the Blaser R8 - the latter seems to be the rifle of choice for so many European hunters - they must know. Also, the R93 remains superb.
Just discovered your channel, quite enjoy it! A bit difficult to find such informed discussion of higher end hunting rifles.
Thanks Jake; I'm doing my best and much more to come. Glad you're on board.
One way to test primary extraction is to slightly deform a cartridge case with needle nose pliers, chamber the case, and then (try to) extract it and feel the force needed. Examining the recesses the bolt locks into can give an idea e.g. caming surfaces. It would be interesting to see what the colletts lock into but that would be difficult to see in person let alone to film. Best regards--Conrad
Thanks Conrad - that sounds about right. Someone suggested cyanoacrylate - sounds dramatic to me but would be the ultimate test.
I'll have to try something! Thanks for writing.
Very good Video i use the Semprio since 3 years and its a perfect accurate gun best regards from germany very good review
Thanks for letting me know Martin! I hope to go hunting with mine this Fall.
I love the R8. Especially the suppressed model. My issue with the R8 is the magazine being a part of the trigger assembly.
They're remarkable - I was just putting my .243 R8 together. I also have an R8 in .500 Jeffery. I like them all.
I loved the first Semprio I held but after sales service for Blaser over here is second to none. Plus there are plenty of spare barrels floating around on the second hand market. If you add a scope to the barrel and big scope that is a lot of reciprocating mass to move forward. Probably not an issue with a small red dot for driven hunts.
I agree with everything you wrote. The Seprio is in a class of its own. Whether it all makes sense is another question - but it is so unique and the principles so unusual for a run at full production are unprecedented. I think these will have high collector value when they are out of production. I use one simply because they are so different - like the Heeren falling block...sort of.
👽The same thing holds true for the old Winchester model 12 16 gauge pump.. it sort of pumps itself. And I like this guy.
You are very noble Man! Thank you and God Bless!
at first, the "backwards" motion seemed bizarre, but it actually does make sense that the motion pulls it back against your shoulder instead of pushing it away like the traditional motion
An amazing design.
Your a wealthy man arent you. An thats not a bad thing as long as you possess things an not let them possess you. You probably have the best gun collection in the world. An that a good inspiration to us all. An i like your attitude. Good job sir. May you continue to prosper.
Thanks for opinion! Semprio is awesome firearm. Very unique. But if you really need speed shooting while hunting on dangerous animals like grizzly bear, I'd say that semi-auto (like Browning BAR) is more wise choise. And if you need to make distant precision shot, a common bolt action rifle (like Tikka T3x or Rem 700) would be more accurate than this piece of art. Anyway, these are my reasons why I still don't have a Semprio. But I really like how it looks, and how it goes. And that pump sound it produces between shots is awesome.
Like most things Germ.....this is a great idea that could probably be vastly simplified .
Germs have a passion for intricate design.
I'd love to see the no nonsense Russian take on this action.
The idea that the action itself is the takedown feature kinda kills two birds one stone .
Though ....it is hard to imagine a more well designed firearm than the Savage 99 takedown combo with a optional 410 barrel. Far as manual operated rifles , there isn't much to improve there...
The Germs sells this rifle in Russia.
18:24 Why not? Like your videos after a long day on the couch, sometimes sleeping at the end. I don't say by any means they are boring, quite the opposite, but I like your calm voice, it's relaxing IMO.
One of the nicest messages ever - it you can relax and rest to my voice - wonderful.
Wow great review. Hope you can do the Sauer 101
Forest. Thank you for posting.
Hi - thank you and yes - I just have to find a reasonable priced used one and I'll make a video straight away - thanks for suggesting.
Nice video, you should test the new straight pull rifle it`s called Steel action HS.
The system is like in biathlon, really quick to handle.
Hi Richard - thank you - I am going to find a Steel. The Strasser Evolution is in my sights as well.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns lynks rifles 😉
I'll stick with the Remington 14's short action. It's a short, tough woods companion totally at home in brush.
Very interesting vid. Did not know it existed. Very great engineering .
Amazing engineering - and gunmaking.
You make very interesting and entertaining videos !!
Thank you Henri!
Nice video. My main criticism to all pump or lever action rifles are that they are awkward to operate prone, or while shooting from an improvised rest like a branch or a shooting stick.
Good point - although the pump is okay from just about any position.
With that bolt fixed to the back as you pull the firing mechanism out, it almost looks like a handgun. Damn, keep the magazine to the back and add hinge action folded below front, and you would have the most anime gun possible!
That's really interesting
Seems more novelty than practical for a sporting rifle. Looks like a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist.
The Helix mounts the scope in a familiar position. No movement of the receiver top.
How does the R8 handle scope mounting? Must you use a long eye relief scope?
The Semprio also looks as though the scope would move with the receiver when pumped.
I understand center fire pump action is not permitted in the UK.
R8 uses a saddle mount on the barrel - standard position - regular scopes work fine. The Seprio moves the scope forward on pumping - seem like a bad idea; in use though - no difference at all.
Great review!!!
exceptional video!
Excellent class.
Usog...I was researching the semprio after watching this and came across a video by Gerald Fuchs for the Doppelbusche Jagdbusche...I guess its a "double barrel" bolt action hunging rifle....with alot of jewelry and engraving...sorry to change the subject but it seems to emphasize your original point of the germans taking their guns very seriously....almost like a swiss watch.....i think the krieghoff is more my style...i wanted a model 14 till i saw this
You don't have a Browning Pump-rifle? on forums and here on youtube the owners swears by them, browning is always quality and not completely "regular" with the pumphandle moving down abit to. there is an aussie gunchannel with a great inlength review of one.
I had bad luck when I bought a rem760, first shot and it locked up ): had to mortar it open
Hi, thanks for sharing your wonderful collection! What do you think of the Finnish Lynx rifle? It's got an interesting straight pull action. Cheers!
Thanks - my pleasure. Yes - the Semprio is so unique - I like it more and more.
Great video. The "safe to carry"locking feature of the Semprio is not really a result of German law, but of the "accident prevention rules", which call for visibly safe guns at the gathering place of group-hunt-events.
Hello Benedikt - thank you for clarifying. The Semprio is such an impressive rifle - and safe. I like the visibly safe rules.
Very curious design, but unless there is some design issue that makes it more accurate apart from the build quality, I think the Remington is a more natural movement and simpler design. Heck, is a shotgun rifle. What could be more natural a movement?
It's the fact it's a pump shotgun rifle that makes people think it's cheap, including me ☺️.
I'll have to check you're video on it.
I agree Jim - the 760 makes more sense.
USOG Yeah, but it would be nice if they had a model with some higher end quality build like the one you just bought though. I'm sure this one is more accurate than the Remington. Or is it? I'm one of those people who just assumed it wasn't very accurate, but maybe I'm wrong.
The Semprio is gorgeous.
Truly is mcgibs : )
All great designs but the Semprio takes the cake.
You bet - the Semprio is something else.
EXTREMELY well done 🌎
I have been re-viewing your videos, I love the science of comparing different actions and was thinking about the complex Semprio action (which is really impressive), but then I was thinking about the rolling block action with its extreme simplicity, which I value as a important characteristic of rifle design. In researching the rolling block, I could not get a sense of how strong that action really is. Part of the problem as I see it, is that it was developed in the black powder metallic cartridge days and was produced in great numbers through the transitional period to smokeless powders and is even made in beautiful reproductions (Italian) today. So we have a situation, where we have functional rolling blocks that are very old (a testament to the durability of the design) and on the other hand, I have read about failures and action strength concerns. I am wondering if this criticism is justified in a modern made (made for modern smokeless powders) rolling block or not. The question becomes, is a modern manufactured rolling block a strong action? Opinions vary. Either way, I think the rolling block deserves some praise for it role it played in history. Many thanks for the wonderful videos!
Very good comments. The rolling block is interesting for sure. The strength of the action is essentially the strength of the 2 pins; one for the block and the second, for the hammer. Of course, these two parts comprise a "block" when the hammer is forward. The cartridge pressure has leverage against the rolling block and the even lower in the action, pins - yet the pins are stout and fairly easy to be manufactured and fitted correctly. I've seen a couple that were "sprung" and they still worked well - just the cartridge moved backwards slightly on ignition. I'll find one an make a video. Thanks for the thoughtful comment and kind words.
I've seen your falling block video, please do a rolling block one. Didn't even know it existed, knew about the #1's one of those is also on my long list.
I agree with your analysis of the straight pull action Blaser (and others) potentially giving you a black eye. However I don't believe it is true of the Merkel Helix. The receiver looks to be one piece.
Hi Walter - you're correct! The Helix has a sealed breech - I like that rifle a lot!
i am very interesed in straight pull bolt action mechanisms, but semprio is very singular too... thanks
Hi Percy - that Semprio - so unique. In a class of its own.
very interesting. difficult to get in the US which means it will be impossible to get in Canada. With a small firearms market, there might not be enough demand to justify importing a Krieghoff in to Canada but if they did, I would be in the market for one. Another informative video.
Wolverine supplies imports them
Nice video and you have the best german-made rifles collection, Hope to see Heym express bolt action rifle
Hi Safari - I have the Heym SR21 Super Classic coming on Patreon - very fine rifle.
Hi! USOG, Very nice !
I read somewhere that there was a U.S.military unit that modified their pump action shotguns to fire as they worked the pump handle. So the soldier didn't even have to pull the trigger. I think that's the fastest solution.
What I would like to see is ball bearings inside of the bolt knob. Have a large ball bolt knob and inside the bolt knob there should be coated with rust proofed ball bearings so that the motion of turning the bolt would be gliding
Thank you for this very interesting video. :)
I was fascinated by your experimentation with that stainless steel unrifled smooth bore hyper velocity “rifle” and analysis of what happens to the propelled bullet. The different action designs are also very interesting. Keep researching. I love to watch your blog. Are you from the U.K. ? Stay in touch.
Hi George, Thank you - velocity is interesting and I seem to have an inquisitive mind. I'm in British Columbia. There have been so many different types of firearms made - I'm always surprised at the seemingly endless variety.
What pump action is smoother? I've handled a few 760s that were very slick.
Hi Robert - you're right - I haven't found anything smoother.
The locktime on the 760 is very long due to the long hammer fall. That's the most important difference between the Semprio and the 760. I've replied in this thread about a converted Steyr M95M who predates the Semprio by 65 years.. This also have a faster locktime than the 760. In Olympic style moving target competition you loose points if you shoot with a 760 due to locktime.
Unless you're a long-distance shooter, locktime won't hurt you that much.
These are hunting rifles, not competition rifles.
Hmm. Is the Semprio made for open sights only? It looks like a struggle to shoot the Semprio with a scope on if it moves while reloading. Awesome rifles. Really enjoyed this video! Keep them coming! :)
Thanks Pontus, I thought the Semprio would be awkward with a scope - but in use: one doesn't notice a thing. Our eyes and brains are so fast. God made us well. : )
Thank you for your vids
You're most welcome.
Speed of shooting can be quite theoretical. The recoil and the re-aiming make even a semi-automatic not particularly fast. Of course, when one wants to impress with firepower, they can be emptied in a second. But for hunting, getting a new one in the chamber, pumped or levered or gassed, in a record time is not as important as aiming and triggering fast and still being accurate. Bullet placement is the key. Fast shooting is generally less accurate, and with many hunters, often counterproductive.