I think high quality movies about British figures and legends: Glyndwr, Madog, Y Mabinogi, Gwenllian, Llywelyn, etc, etc (in their native tongue) is something that the British languages desperately need. If Hollywood and other studios can make them in languages such as Nahuatl, they can make them in Welsh, Breton and Cornish with subtitles.
I've been saying this for years and to prove this point 75% of Americans believe juses spoke English because of robert powel film juses of nazareth and as we all know he spoke Arabic. Things need to change
Great vid as usual Ben! I watched a video the other day that said some interesting things about the picts speaking a brythonic language. Could be an interesting video to do looking at how the various historic Scottish people’s fit into this idea of ‘Britishness’. Diolch! :)
Important to point out that most scholars consider Gildas (who was certainly very critical of the British) to have been British himself, albeit a highly educated one who wrote in Latin. Bede refers to him as "their [the Briton's] historian".
@@taffyducks544 Yes, He was also inline to intermarry two tribes together to unite them, But the wedding fell through. He was very much Brythonic himself but an early convert to Christianity and the doctrines of the Latin bible
Good video. I’m English, from the north east so can’t get any further away from Wales really. 😂 I’ve been drawn to this particular period after reading Max Adams’ book about the Anglo-Saxons. Our countries have a very complex history and relationship indeed.
Welsh Saxon would be the correct term. On the male Grandparental side of my dna im linked to both Wales and Norwegian ancestory. On the Female side Ireland and Wales. Cornwall was the first of the landings as it was a well known trade depot in antiquity, Supplying tin ingots to all of the civilizations in Europe at the time to forge their Bronze eras. The trade was that well known that the Celtic Sea was named for it. Gaels and Gauls owned all of the important trade rivers and collected taxes for its use
@@BenLlywelyn They're not. The history curriculum is lamentable, even after the Donaldson report. We've been in charge of our own education for nearly 24 years.
If the Scott’s also spoke Cymraeg then the case for Y Brythoniaid ’ would be a lot more clear cut. The Picts and the Alt Clud Britons spoke a form of Cymraeg but few Scottish people seem to be aware of this connection between the peoples? When you understand that Gallic is not a native Scottish language and that Strathclyde and Cumbria. would have identified as ‘Brythoniaid natives and sung ‘pais Cadogan’ to their offspring then you FINALLY make that Brythonic connection to your illustrious ancient past. A past that’s been spat on and belittled ,but nevertheless Cymraeg the only vehicle/ gateway we have to understanding what it means to be truly’ British’ O bydded i’r hen iaith barhau’ 🙏👍
i live in Glasgow and friends and colleagues I talk to are unaware that this was the Hen Ogledd and a Brythonic tongue was spoken here during the Dark Ages when this region was part of the Kingdom of Alt Clud and subsequently Strathclyde. There has been a Government initiative over the last decade or so to re-gaelicise the regions place names, so if you visit nowadays and, for instance. go to a train station in the area you will see the modern English version of the station and underneath the Gaelic equivalent. It's interesting that the earlier Brythonic heritage of the area is so disregarded.
@@frankquither4980 I’m not surprised. History is written by the victors and or culture has been ignored, undermined and blitzed for over a thousand years. It’s always’RomanBritain’ never’ Brythonic Britain’ and we always use the Roman names for our historical figures instead of their REAL names. Caradog and Buddig are Scottish ancestors too, but they’re classed as ‘Celts’ ,even though we never used that term to describe ourselves.. A bit like ‘Welsh’ Saxon for foreigners really. The five books of the Mabinogion are as much Scottish /Brythonic as they’re Welsh ,yet few Scott’s know or understand this fact. The tales are a rich portrait of both our peoples, but are generally ignored in favour of Greek Mythology because they’ve been written in a foreign language!!! Every Cymric place name is ancient and describes the place before you get there. Hence Allt Clud (Allt=hill, Clud= Cosey/ peaceful )’Govan’ probably translates as the’ narrow place’, and Glasgow sounds like ‘Blue wood ‘ but in all instances they’re descriptive as n Cymraeg.‘ That’s not Gallic, it’s Cymric and the Picts should be seen as the Free Welsh, not a separate peoples because we’re all cut from the same cloth. 👍
Sorry, I deleted my comment before I saw your reply (because my comment doesn't really add much once I saw the video). My comment was basically English = Anglo + German + Latin and the Brittish adopted it. You replied that there is a lot of Latin in English. Your video was much more than language so I deleted my comment. I really like the video and understanding the larger evolution of the idea - people being Brittish or being English.
Arthur was not made up of several warlords. He was King of Gwent and was named as such in the Charters of Llandaff Cathedral due to his land grants to the Church in south Wales. He is also called Arthrwys, the Welsh version, in those same charters. His father was King Meurig of Gwent, whose tomb is in Llandaff Cathedral. His grandfather, Tewdrig, was also King of Gwent and is buried at Mathern Church. Even the Bruts of ENGLAND in the Bodlian Library, Oxford, state plainly that Arthur was crowned king in Glamorgan ( which then included parts of Gwent.) it is puzzling that so many still view Arthur as a myth. It is probably down to the way he has been presented in popular culture over the past century.
The language used toward the the early welsh by the Saxons sounds very similar to what the English said about the Irish in later centuries a scar that the descendants of Eirinn still have not fully recovered from.
@@BenLlywelyn My ear was right! 😅 As an aside, I’m teaching my five-year-old to produce the ll sound. Our favorite word is Machynlleth because it has _two_ sounds not present in English.
The Act of the English Parliament that legislated for the Bible to be translated into Welsh states that "The Scriptures to be translated into the *British* tongue." i.e in the 16th century the words British and Welsh were interchangeable for English people. The English called their kingdom England. It was only afterwards the English hijacked the term 'British' and altered its meaning to describe the expanding English empire (e.g. when Scotland and Ireland were finally subjugated).
Don't think demons speak yr iaith y nefoedd - but pretty sure Dragons do. Which would be why most of them withdrew from English territories and hid themselves in the hills and mountains of Wales.
Recently, I noticed Ancestry has taken a strong re-take of what is Scottish dna. They know that Southwest Scotland's ancient homeland was the land of the Bretons. The highlanders knew this. They called them "Sassenach". Therefore, over night, Ancestry changed my Scottish result from 66 to 44 percent. Certainly nothing has changed. This 22 percent is still there. It would be the Breton from SW Scotland. I recently walked to the top of Dumbarton Castle Hill. This was a powerful base for these folks at one time.
As an Englishman it is regretful that more English don't yn dysgu Cymraeg, iaith cyfoethog, diddorol a hyfryd, but it's a trait that seems to go back a long way in English culture. And whilst English has absorbed thousands of words from other languages, it is still a bit of a mystery why English contains not enough words from Welsh/Brythonic to fill an A5 sheet of notepaper. That suggests a longstanding and conscious antipathy to British languages and culture in English society, even if some have argued, not wholly convincingly that English contains evidence of a Brythonic (grammatical) substrate influence.
The 'Welsh Not' explains why. The English wanted to wipe out the Welsh language. My parents went to school under this fearful system of punishment for speaking any words of Welsh.
@@barnowl5774 you cant even type this in english properly?, so what language where you being teached if not welsh??... Are you telling porkie pies now to jump on the anglo hating bandwagon?... Your not even native british are you?...and unless your parents left school in 1939 then your parents are full of shite and was just to lazy or uninterested in choosing it, as it certainly wasnt subjugated by the english at this time it was a option the students could take...and why made compulsory in 1939 i should think that would have to be something to do with getting kids to young to serve in the army down the mines in the VALLEYS where the old miners still spoke welsh...
@@BenLlywelyn Thanks for the quick reply. I've just found your channel and it's really fascinating. I've also just watched your video about the term 'Wealas' which i already knew but for my interest also in regards to the name Cornwall (where i live) which i researched a little some time ago. My ancestry is very Welsh/Cornish/Devon. That research also took me into the meaning of the Gallic Allobroges which you are no doubt aware of.
Nice to see this video as Britain was the land of the Celts. The English are invaders and not native of Britain. They are hybrids of Romans, Vikings, Germans, French and Dutch.
At 17:38 you said, "So the English adopting "British" caused Welsh and Scottish nationalism" to rise. I think you meant to say "... caused Irish and Scottish nationalism to rise." Am I right? Did you perhaps mean all 3 of them - Welsh, Irish, and Scottish?
So i took a DNA test, and it said i am 85% English, Wales, and Northwestern Europe/ 12% Irish % Scottish, and 3% Swedish. So....if im 85% Britton celtic...does that mean that im actually part italian since the romans came and conquered it, making the English? Im so confused, but im so curious about my ancestry, so im trying to do more research. But it's all so confusing with who conquered whom, and what became mainstream, yada yada. It's very difficult for me to keep track....😭
Irish, Scots and Swedish are in Northwestern Europe. Not sure how they are different form the 85%? Italy is in southern Europe and their DNA (originally) have quite different markers than British. But everything is so mixed up now, we are talking 2000 years ago, so you are the nation you feel you are.
Language is still delicate subject in Nortern Ireland, based on sectarian lines. Quite recently a Unionist politician caused a stir when he refered to the Irish language as the "Leprechaun language"!
There s 4 country's the only original country that's English is England the other 3 used there own speech .But the English made all country's in the empire learn English this is why
@@BenLlywelyn its a bit more complicated than that, because some of the English's ancestors were British people who became English as well as Angles, Saxons, Jutes etc. who had come over from the continent of Europe
Imo there is no such thing as a British language. To be British all you need to be is a citizen of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or England. It’s not an ethnicity. Someone from India or China can be British and speak Chinese or their own language. English is what it says on the tin but it’s not the same as spoken by the Anglo Saxons but has evolved and changed over time due to various influences. Welsh has evolved too and includes English words as well as other influences. There is no such thing as a British language as different parts of Britain speak different languages depending on influences in history. The reason the English language is the main language is because England dominated in history. A bit like America speaks English ( American ) but you have many languages in America and lots of peoples speak Spanish and just the native Americans have 500 different languages or dialects. There isn’t an “American “ language either, just the one that is dominant. The reason I suspect the rulers in England tried to get rid of it is because people have this drive to make everyone the same. Instead of embracing diversity. Plus it makes it much easier for the rulers to administrate and communicate. It’s a terrible idea to strip a nation of its identity and the modern day has seen many examples of this…… like removing indigenous and aboriginal children from their families and fostering them out to adopted parents so they are brought up losing their culture. That’s happened in America, Canada and Australia. It’s all about making people the same and originally the thinkers on it thought they were bring civilisation to someone. Some awful things get done to people for supposedly their own good. It’s because diversity is often seen as a bad thing. I think it was the same with the different groups in the uk. We supposedly like people who are like us. Even being left handed can be a reason to punish. Even I can remember at school kids who were being forced to use their right hand to write instead of their left hand with the excuse it was better for them in the end and it was a right hand dominated society. It’s the same with Welsh. Everyone had to conform and speak English because those people not so long ago thought it was better for the Welsh in the long run. Like with the adoptions elsewhere I think they were wrong. I actually like diversity and think it’s ok to be different. We live in the 21st century now. We don’t need all these old propagandas and stuff from the past. They ( rulers) were ALL of them pretty horrible regardless of their nationality. I’ve looked. I’m so glad I was born in the 21st century. Your average man on the street everywhere was treated pretty badly. Some more than others. Hopefully we now live in a world where diversity can be embraced and we can move forward so people can choose if they want to live in a union. The only thing is Ben the USA is also a Union and I’m sure that wouldn’t break up without a struggle as we are all ruled up to a point. Just a little point. I am NOT an Anglo-Saxon/Norman or a Roman I’m English which is a mix of many things. Including Welsh Scottish Norwegian German French and i am none of those things. I’m a 21st century woman who is glad she wasn’t born way back, when life revolved around gentry of some sort. I don’t relate to some attitudes in Victorian Britain let alone the behaviour of the ruling classes a lot longer ago. I think we need to move forward respecting diversity and that a union of Great Britain now needs to be a consensual thing where a clear majority has to show they don’t want it, if that is the case. Clear majority as it’s a big step. All this talk of hating the English is doing no good at all. It makes people feel insecure and threatened and afraid of change. It’s ok to be different, old hatred need to be put away. Hatred of a group of people ( English) is not a good identity and it holds back open and frank discussion. The English now are not Anglo Saxons. The Anglo Saxons and their culture are now largely dead. Just like the Romans.
Linguistic diversity and political diversity are part of a free, internationalist Europe. As for English, O consider Old English to be Saxon and post-Normans as English. There are varying opinions on it, but that is my take.
Get your facts straight. There were no English. They were still Angles & Saxons. There would be no such thing as an Englishman or England until King Athelstan (House of Wessex) crushed the Irish/Nordic, Pictish, and Welsh armies at the battle of Brunburgh in 937AD.
Marchogaist ar draws wlad gyda'ch ceffylau, cerbydau a'ch llengoedd Marchogaist i'n gwlad a'n damnio ni, ac yna galwaist ni yn genhedloedd Marchogaist i'n gwlad gyda'r hyn a dybiaist yn iachawdwriaeth Marchogaist i'n gwlad profedig dy law ond cadwn ein cenedl o hyd Brythonic Celts spoke both Greek and p and q Celtic depending on the cultures and who their tribes interacted and traded with. Q gaelic has Egyptian heritige through the picts. The Norman empire anglicised alot of the celtic cultures. You couldn't gt a job in the 1600's of you had O or Mac in your name. New Zealand was named "Southern Wales" by Captain cook and ushered in Cornish, Scottish and Irish settlers. I'm Cornish from Cornwall and Devon but 8th generation New Zealander. When the Tin trade die'd down Cornish mine workers spread around the world My True name should be Owien Bude but sadly im Anglicized
@@BenLlywelyn Yet Celtic languages are being revived and recognised, Cornish being the latest. What did the Helvetian speak ?, The Galatians ? What even was Druidic . . . . What about the Thrace Celts ? And the Balkan tribes like the Vendae/Vulcae. We know what, 12% of our lost buried and over written by Latin and Germanic culture from the minority left in the British isles and Brittany, Even then alot are converts to Cathlicism, Jacobites and have no knowledge of Cernunnos or Eiocha, Beira, More is known about the Tuatha Dé Danann through Irish retention
Do you have any evidence that a Brythonic tongue was spoken along the east coast of Britain at the time of the Roman invasion? I know that Caesar himself said that the continental Gauls were separated into Gallic and Belgic Gallic, the Belgic Gallic were essentially Germanic. Tacitus even says, on his travels, that residents of modern Estonia sound like Britons. If we look at DNA evidence of the east coast of the British isles we will find that they are not that different to the west coast. What we have is an island that faced in two directions, one facing towards the south and the other facing toward the north. The English are simply Britons who were a part of a North sea culture, and had been for centuries before the Roman invasion. There was no Anglo-Saxon invasion, the wars of the 'settlement period' were various petty kingships jostling for power once the Roman authorities left.
Got a new appreciation for David Lloyd George. Also a new understanding of the language of WWII speeches.
He was a cunning man.
I think high quality movies about British figures and legends: Glyndwr, Madog, Y Mabinogi, Gwenllian, Llywelyn, etc, etc (in their native tongue) is something that the British languages desperately need.
If Hollywood and other studios can make them in languages such as Nahuatl, they can make them in Welsh, Breton and Cornish with subtitles.
All the way.
Won't happen. The English goverment want these people forgotten. What about Caratacus, Rhodri Mawr, Donald Davies, William Robert Grove?
I've been saying this for years and to prove this point 75% of Americans believe juses spoke English because of robert powel film juses of nazareth and as we all know he spoke Arabic. Things need to change
Nooo such thing as a british language. I speak English not British. Fake to this rock are the British
@@taffyducks544 Hollol 👍
Enjoyed this history! Thanks!
Great vid as usual Ben! I watched a video the other day that said some interesting things about the picts speaking a brythonic language. Could be an interesting video to do looking at how the various historic Scottish people’s fit into this idea of ‘Britishness’. Diolch! :)
It would indeed be interesting. And would require research!
Important to point out that most scholars consider Gildas (who was certainly very critical of the British) to have been British himself, albeit a highly educated one who wrote in Latin. Bede refers to him as "their [the Briton's] historian".
Stockholm syndrome.
@@BenLlywelyn nope, he was lambasting the Britons for not doing more to stop Anglo Saxon and Mercian advances.
@@taffyducks544 Yes, He was also inline to intermarry two tribes together to unite them, But the wedding fell through. He was very much Brythonic himself but an early convert to Christianity and the doctrines of the Latin bible
Thank you Ben, another very informative video :)
Welcome.
Excellent video. I did not know about Gildas.
Thank you.
Diolch yn fawr iawn am y fideo hon. Diddorol dros ben.
An an Australian, born of Welsh parents, I believe that the Welsh should insist on the removal of an English Prince of Wales .Its a 'suck-you-in' job.
I think most of us are more focused on how bad the economy is doing at the moment.
Wonderful! Just discovered you and think you're great! 🥰 Diolch!
Diolch yn fawr!
Very clear discussion. Thank you.
Good video. I’m English, from the north east so can’t get any further away from Wales really. 😂 I’ve been drawn to this particular period after reading Max Adams’ book about the Anglo-Saxons. Our countries have a very complex history and relationship indeed.
Very interwoven history.
Welsh Saxon would be the correct term. On the male Grandparental side of my dna im linked to both Wales and Norwegian ancestory. On the Female side Ireland and Wales. Cornwall was the first of the landings as it was a well known trade depot in antiquity, Supplying tin ingots to all of the civilizations in Europe at the time to forge their Bronze eras. The trade was that well known that the Celtic Sea was named for it. Gaels and Gauls owned all of the important trade rivers and collected taxes for its use
Even with our own Welsh parliament these truths are *still* not taught to Welsh children in schools.
It takes time. Things are changing.
@@BenLlywelyn They're not. The history curriculum is lamentable, even after the Donaldson report. We've been in charge of our own education for nearly 24 years.
@@Knappa22like he said it takes tjme
It’s so similar to how U.S. American Indians feel we are subjugated.
Latinised education doesnt allow the Celtic truth
If the Scott’s also spoke Cymraeg then the case for Y Brythoniaid ’ would be a lot more clear cut. The Picts and the Alt Clud Britons spoke a form of Cymraeg but few Scottish people seem to be aware of this connection between the peoples? When you understand that Gallic is not a native Scottish language and that Strathclyde and Cumbria. would have identified as ‘Brythoniaid natives and sung ‘pais Cadogan’ to their offspring then you FINALLY make that Brythonic connection to your illustrious ancient past. A past that’s been spat on and belittled ,but nevertheless Cymraeg the only vehicle/ gateway we have to understanding what it means to be truly’ British’ O bydded i’r hen iaith barhau’ 🙏👍
Tros ryddid collasant eu gwaed.
100% correct
i live in Glasgow and friends and colleagues I talk to are unaware that this was the Hen Ogledd and a Brythonic tongue was spoken here during the Dark Ages when this region was part of the Kingdom of Alt Clud and subsequently Strathclyde. There has been a Government initiative over the last decade or so to re-gaelicise the regions place names, so if you visit nowadays and, for instance. go to a train station in the area you will see the modern English version of the station and underneath the Gaelic equivalent. It's interesting that the earlier Brythonic heritage of the area is so disregarded.
@@frankquither4980 I’m not surprised. History is written by the victors and or culture has been ignored, undermined and blitzed for over a thousand years. It’s always’RomanBritain’ never’ Brythonic Britain’ and we always use the Roman names for our historical figures instead of their REAL names. Caradog and Buddig are Scottish ancestors too, but they’re classed as ‘Celts’ ,even though we never used that term to describe ourselves.. A bit like ‘Welsh’ Saxon for foreigners really. The five books of the Mabinogion are as much Scottish /Brythonic as they’re Welsh ,yet few Scott’s know or understand this fact. The tales are a rich portrait of both our peoples, but are generally ignored in favour of Greek Mythology because they’ve been written in a foreign language!!! Every Cymric place name is ancient and describes the place before you get there. Hence Allt Clud (Allt=hill, Clud= Cosey/ peaceful )’Govan’ probably translates as the’ narrow place’, and Glasgow sounds like ‘Blue wood ‘ but in all instances they’re descriptive as n Cymraeg.‘ That’s not Gallic, it’s Cymric and the Picts should be seen as the Free Welsh, not a separate peoples because we’re all cut from the same cloth. 👍
Welsh, and proud to be Welsh. There is no hate against each other in 2023 but we remain two nations, Wales and England.
Very good video
Diolch / Thank You
Sorry, I deleted my comment before I saw your reply (because my comment doesn't really add much once I saw the video).
My comment was basically English = Anglo + German + Latin and the Brittish adopted it. You replied that there is a lot of Latin in English.
Your video was much more than language so I deleted my comment. I really like the video and understanding the larger evolution of the idea - people being Brittish or being English.
Thank you.
Arthur was not made up of several warlords. He was King of Gwent and was named as such in the Charters of Llandaff Cathedral due to his land grants to the Church in south Wales. He is also called Arthrwys, the Welsh version, in those same charters. His father was King Meurig of Gwent, whose tomb is in Llandaff Cathedral. His grandfather, Tewdrig, was also King of Gwent and is buried at Mathern Church. Even the Bruts of ENGLAND in the Bodlian Library, Oxford, state plainly that Arthur was crowned king in Glamorgan ( which then included parts of Gwent.) it is puzzling that so many still view Arthur as a myth. It is probably down to the way he has been presented in popular culture over the past century.
Are you from Gwent?
Outstanding.👍👍
you are very good brilliant
Thank you kindly.
The language used toward the the early welsh by the Saxons sounds very similar to what the English said about the Irish in later centuries a scar that the descendants of Eirinn still have not fully recovered from.
It is time to heal ans grow.
Would I be correct to infer from your accent that you are from the US or Canada? I do note that your pronunciation of r and ll show Welsh influence.
I am, but have lived in Wales for a long time now. Diolch am wylio.
@@BenLlywelyn My ear was right! 😅 As an aside, I’m teaching my five-year-old to produce the ll sound. Our favorite word is Machynlleth because it has _two_ sounds not present in English.
The Act of the English Parliament that legislated for the Bible to be translated into Welsh states that "The Scriptures to be translated into the *British* tongue." i.e in the 16th century the words British and Welsh were interchangeable for English people. The English called their kingdom England. It was only afterwards the English hijacked the term 'British' and altered its meaning to describe the expanding English empire (e.g. when Scotland and Ireland were finally subjugated).
An interesting note on the Welsh Bible being in the British tongue.
Don't think demons speak yr iaith y nefoedd - but pretty sure Dragons do. Which would be why most of them withdrew from English territories and hid themselves in the hills and mountains of Wales.
Recently, I noticed Ancestry has taken a strong re-take of what is Scottish dna. They know that Southwest Scotland's ancient homeland was the land of the Bretons. The highlanders knew this. They called them "Sassenach". Therefore, over night, Ancestry changed my Scottish result from 66 to 44 percent. Certainly nothing has changed. This 22 percent is still there. It would be the Breton from SW Scotland. I recently walked to the top of Dumbarton Castle Hill. This was a powerful base for these folks at one time.
The waterways northwest of Glasgow are very beautiful.
The Aristocrat lines
Are Mainly Englo saxon ....
I would say French more so, but some Anglo Saxon high families did make it up.
Tell me why the Welsh use the German three feathers and the German moto ich Dean (we serve)
It comes from the Black Prince and connections to Bohemia.
@@BenLlywelyn nope, its an inverted awen sign.
Look at an old Welsh dictionary from the 16th century, Welsh had a similar Word as ich dien, some suggets it actually comes from that Welsh word.
As an Englishman it is regretful that more English don't yn dysgu Cymraeg, iaith cyfoethog, diddorol a hyfryd, but it's a trait that seems to go back a long way in English culture. And whilst English has absorbed thousands of words from other languages, it is still a bit of a mystery why English contains not enough words from Welsh/Brythonic to fill an A5 sheet of notepaper. That suggests a longstanding and conscious antipathy to British languages and culture in English society, even if some have argued, not wholly convincingly that English contains evidence of a Brythonic (grammatical) substrate influence.
A well thought and poignant comment sir. B
The 'Welsh Not' explains why. The English wanted to wipe out the Welsh language. My parents went to school under this fearful system of punishment for speaking any words of Welsh.
@@barnowl5774 you cant even type this in english properly?, so what language where you being teached if not welsh??... Are you telling porkie pies now to jump on the anglo hating bandwagon?... Your not even native british are you?...and unless your parents left school in 1939 then your parents are full of shite and was just to lazy or uninterested in choosing it, as it certainly wasnt subjugated by the english at this time it was a option the students could take...and why made compulsory in 1939 i should think that would have to be something to do with getting kids to young to serve in the army down the mines in the VALLEYS where the old miners still spoke welsh...
I thought that even the ancient Celtic languages were related to Latin anyway, both being 'southern indo european'? i.e sister languages.
More as the far end of western indo european. See my recent video on Romanian and Latin, I explain a bit on the Italo-celtic branch.
@@BenLlywelyn Thanks for the quick reply. I've just found your channel and it's really fascinating. I've also just watched your video about the term 'Wealas' which i already knew but for my interest also in regards to the name Cornwall (where i live) which i researched a little some time ago. My ancestry is very Welsh/Cornish/Devon.
That research also took me into the meaning of the Gallic Allobroges which you are no doubt aware of.
Allfro is an older Welsh word meaning foreigner. All- + bro (out country person).
Nice to see this video as Britain was the land of the Celts. The English are invaders and not native of Britain. They are hybrids of Romans, Vikings, Germans, French and Dutch.
Thank you for watching.
The Celts are also invaders and not native of Britain.They are hybrids of eastern french,southern German and Czech. 1000 BC.
At 17:38 you said, "So the English adopting "British" caused Welsh and Scottish nationalism" to rise. I think you meant to say "... caused Irish and Scottish nationalism to rise." Am I right? Did you perhaps mean all 3 of them - Welsh, Irish, and Scottish?
Ireland is far more complicated in its nationalism.
@@BenLlywelyn I understand now. Thanks for explaining it... And thank you for an excellent video. It was very helpful! 😄
So i took a DNA test, and it said i am 85% English, Wales, and Northwestern Europe/ 12% Irish % Scottish, and 3% Swedish. So....if im 85% Britton celtic...does that mean that im actually part italian since the romans came and conquered it, making the English? Im so confused, but im so curious about my ancestry, so im trying to do more research. But it's all so confusing with who conquered whom, and what became mainstream, yada yada. It's very difficult for me to keep track....😭
Irish, Scots and Swedish are in Northwestern Europe. Not sure how they are different form the 85%? Italy is in southern Europe and their DNA (originally) have quite different markers than British. But everything is so mixed up now, we are talking 2000 years ago, so you are the nation you feel you are.
Language is still delicate subject in Nortern Ireland, based on sectarian lines. Quite recently a Unionist politician caused a stir when he refered to the Irish language as the "Leprechaun language"!
Oh dear. That sounds insensitive of him
Celtic was all over Britian before wall.👌
Hadrian's Wall
@@BenLlywelyn I now🤦♂️
“England expects . . . “ (Nelson in 1805) Yes it was England and certainly it was not Britain.
The Nelson?
The Welsh tought English people how to read
Me, I consider myself to be British first and English second.
We all forge a splendid blend in our identity. Diolch.
It's the other way around the world speaks English what's Speaking British theres no such thing . English / England . ThIs not British
There s 4 country's the only original country that's English is England the other 3 used there own speech .But the English made all country's in the empire learn English this is why
Historical quirks that make us.
@@BenLlywelynLet's bring back Cumbric and make it the language of the North again Yorkshire, Nothumbria and Manchester should speak it again.
Dw i’n hanner Cymraes a Balch ❤
fer play di iawn
Most welsh people dont speak it either
An injustice.
the real Brits speak a Brythonic language. The English are mostly Anglo Saxon and Norse. Not real Britons but only Brit-"ish".
Cute and true. But we are all friends.
@@BenLlywelyn its a bit more complicated than that, because some of the English's ancestors were British people who became English as well as Angles, Saxons, Jutes etc. who had come over from the continent of Europe
@@BenLlywelyn Not true - the English are mostly descended from the Britons.
@@fyrwyrd A great reason to teach Welsh in English schools.
@@BenLlywelyn I wish they did, it's a beautiful language.
Imo there is no such thing as a British language.
To be British all you need to be is a citizen of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or England. It’s not an ethnicity. Someone from India or China can be British and speak Chinese or their own language. English is what it says on the tin but it’s not the same as spoken by the Anglo Saxons but has evolved and changed over time due to various influences. Welsh has evolved too and includes English words as well as other influences.
There is no such thing as a British language as different parts of Britain speak different languages depending on influences in history. The reason the English language is the main language is because England dominated in history.
A bit like America speaks English ( American ) but you have many languages in America and lots of peoples speak Spanish and just the native Americans have 500 different languages or dialects.
There isn’t an “American “ language either, just the one that is dominant.
The reason I suspect the rulers in England tried to get rid of it is because people have this drive to make everyone the same. Instead of embracing diversity. Plus it makes it much easier for the rulers to administrate and communicate.
It’s a terrible idea to strip a nation of its identity and the modern day has seen many examples of this…… like removing indigenous and aboriginal children from their families and fostering them out to adopted parents so they are brought up losing their culture. That’s happened in America, Canada and Australia. It’s all about making people the same and originally the thinkers on it thought they were bring civilisation to someone.
Some awful things get done to people for supposedly their own good.
It’s because diversity is often seen as a bad thing. I think it was the same with the different groups in the uk. We supposedly like people who are like us.
Even being left handed can be a reason to punish. Even I can remember at school kids who were being forced to use their right hand to write instead of their left hand with the excuse it was better for them in the end and it was a right hand dominated society.
It’s the same with Welsh. Everyone had to conform and speak English because those people not so long ago thought it was better for the Welsh in the long run.
Like with the adoptions elsewhere I think they were wrong.
I actually like diversity and think it’s ok to be different.
We live in the 21st century now. We don’t need all these old propagandas and stuff from the past.
They ( rulers) were ALL of them pretty horrible regardless of their nationality. I’ve looked. I’m so glad I was born in the 21st century. Your average man on the street everywhere was treated pretty badly. Some more than others.
Hopefully we now live in a world where diversity can be embraced and we can move forward so people can choose if they want to live in a union.
The only thing is Ben the USA is also a Union and I’m sure that wouldn’t break up without a struggle as we are all ruled up to a point.
Just a little point. I am NOT an Anglo-Saxon/Norman or a Roman I’m English which is a mix of many things. Including Welsh Scottish Norwegian German French and i am none of those things.
I’m a 21st century woman who is glad she wasn’t born way back, when life revolved around gentry of some sort.
I don’t relate to some attitudes in Victorian Britain let alone the behaviour of the ruling classes a lot longer ago.
I think we need to move forward respecting diversity and that a union of Great Britain now needs to be a consensual thing where a clear majority has to show they don’t want it, if that is the case.
Clear majority as it’s a big step.
All this talk of hating the English is doing no good at all. It makes people feel insecure and threatened and afraid of change.
It’s ok to be different, old hatred need to be put away. Hatred of a group of people ( English) is not a good identity and it holds back open and frank discussion. The English now are not Anglo Saxons. The Anglo Saxons and their culture are now largely dead. Just like the Romans.
Linguistic diversity and political diversity are part of a free, internationalist Europe. As for English, O consider Old English to be Saxon and post-Normans as English. There are varying opinions on it, but that is my take.
Get your facts straight. There were no English. They were still Angles & Saxons. There would be no such thing as an Englishman or England until King Athelstan (House of Wessex) crushed the Irish/Nordic, Pictish, and Welsh armies at the battle of Brunburgh in 937AD.
It is a way of looking at it.
Marchogaist ar draws wlad gyda'ch ceffylau, cerbydau a'ch llengoedd
Marchogaist i'n gwlad a'n damnio ni, ac yna galwaist ni yn genhedloedd
Marchogaist i'n gwlad gyda'r hyn a dybiaist yn iachawdwriaeth
Marchogaist i'n gwlad profedig dy law ond cadwn ein cenedl o hyd
Brythonic Celts spoke both Greek and p and q Celtic depending on the cultures and who their tribes interacted and traded with. Q gaelic has Egyptian heritige through the picts. The Norman empire anglicised alot of the celtic cultures. You couldn't gt a job in the 1600's of you had O or Mac in your name. New Zealand was named "Southern Wales" by Captain cook and ushered in Cornish, Scottish and Irish settlers. I'm Cornish from Cornwall and Devon but 8th generation New Zealander. When the Tin trade die'd down Cornish mine workers spread around the world
My True name should be Owien Bude but sadly im Anglicized
Egyptian and Greek are not a linguistic layer in Celtic Languages.
@@BenLlywelyn Yet Celtic languages are being revived and recognised, Cornish being the latest. What did the Helvetian speak ?, The Galatians ? What even was Druidic . . . . What about the Thrace Celts ? And the Balkan tribes like the Vendae/Vulcae. We know what, 12% of our lost buried and over written by Latin and Germanic culture from the minority left in the British isles and Brittany, Even then alot are converts to Cathlicism, Jacobites and have no knowledge of Cernunnos or Eiocha, Beira, More is known about the Tuatha Dé Danann through Irish retention
Do you have any evidence that a Brythonic tongue was spoken along the east coast of Britain at the time of the Roman invasion? I know that Caesar himself said that the continental Gauls were separated into Gallic and Belgic Gallic, the Belgic Gallic were essentially Germanic. Tacitus even says, on his travels, that residents of modern Estonia sound like Britons. If we look at DNA evidence of the east coast of the British isles we will find that they are not that different to the west coast. What we have is an island that faced in two directions, one facing towards the south and the other facing toward the north. The English are simply Britons who were a part of a North sea culture, and had been for centuries before the Roman invasion. There was no Anglo-Saxon invasion, the wars of the 'settlement period' were various petty kingships jostling for power once the Roman authorities left.
We are not going to agree on this. Thanks.
Scottish never British.
The many identities and layers of this island are indeed fascinating.
@@BenLlywelyn means nothing to me kid, if asked abroad where are you from, it's never GB, UK, Britain. Where is that stuff? Scotland of course.
Simples. We English were around way before the British even crawled on our rock.
Oh dear fellow...
Cymru Am Byth
RUBBISH! Get an education because your comment shows you are lacking one.
What!?🤡
I want to rebuild or learn about more British Traditions/culture because It is very important to me.
It is good and wholesome to have efforts in the outside world which we we feel are important to take part in with others.