Your testing is always very valuable. Suggestion - remove the HT so you have 9 stacks of normal troops. Remove as many variables as you can. It will give you much less variability in your results. The HT column has an enormous impact of the number of enemy troops that remain. Where an HT is taken out early, that entire march dies much quicker than their opponent.
Bob’s message : Layla puts out more. Since Layla/Zhen/Jester have debilitates and vulnerables and jester boosts them both and you get increased damage from stacks with either applied and Zhen only needs one and it’s static dam+… if ES7 across the board and with Layla’s 6 plus all-out surge and 2 fully increased Impacts that’s 10 everytime she goes off and 20 first round… the skill and effects stack. Then you have Jester’s that would also stack on top of them as well. All these can stack and are increased by Jester. With 3x Debilitate on Layla her 16.5% get turned into 31.35% and then boosted by Jester to be 43.89%… her special effect 4x start at 30% then boosted by Debilitate raise it to 57% and then boosted by Jester to 79.8%. Then Jester you could leave them as is or add Debilitation. But base they start at 30% like the effects and her skill boosts them to 42%. If you do the debilitations it boosts them to 79.8 as well… Then you could put 3x30% Heavy blow on Zhen and turn her 15% into 28.5% and Jester would further increase them to 39.9%. You could also go the Armor Breaking on her and All Out surge and they would apply 4x30% Vulnerable’s and 8 first round that would be increase by Heavy Blow to 57% and further by Jester’s skill to 79.8% So to summarize the numbers with pushing Debilitate, Impact, Heavy Blow, and Armor Breaking: Layla’s skill Debilitates - 6x43.89% per trigger and 12 in the first round Layla’s Effect debilitates - 4x79.8% and 8 in the first round Jester skill debilitates - 3-5x79.8% Zhen’s skill Vulnerable’s - 3x39.9% Zhen’s Effect Vulnerable’s - 4x79.8% and 8 in the first round per triggers. You can theoretically reduce their Atk power on a stack by over 100%… And as they wear off after attacking it can last first two rounds… Jester could then stack two 40% dam+ and Artillery Storm. But you realize a lot of Stacks would have over 100% Vulnerable’s as well. That then get booster by Zhen’s mechanic as well. With the Debilitating and Vulnerable boosting and applying effects on the Jester march you would have HELLA damage mitigation from the Debilitating effects and HELLA damage increases from the Vulnerable effects! The stacking capabilities are making the reduced percentages of pulse effects, ignition effects, debilitating effects, and vulnerable effects make sense, but what’s over looked the most is they only take 6 runes to max to 30% and not 32 to get to 40%… plus with them exponentially boosting each other and then further exponentially being boosted by other heroes make them SO much stronger than the dam+/-… ESPECIALLY when you look how they are applied and how incremental the dam+/- is to compared to the (x*y)*z of the other effects! I mean even the 15% vulnerables from Zhen get turned into 39.9% then multipled by 50% by zhen’s combined skill/ES5/ES7 bonuses to 60%… The Armor Breaking ones would be twice as strong!! And this is applied to the skill attacks multiplicatively with the existing atk/dam+ stats the march already has…
@@t-me8295Hi Timmy, this is what my Navy march is about. I have Layla lvl 7 with all out surge and 2 full Impact and 2 full debilitate rune gears and Crimson lvl 7 although without all out surge 2 full Armour breaking and 2 x 1.5 star heavy blow gear. I tested Jester lvl 5 and it performed better than lvl 7 Stromoy. I have a question, although your old test of Zhen vs Crimson show Zhen slightly better, I didn't replace Crimson because I thought Crimson have potential to do more damage in my case. Zhen does 130%+50%(if target has debuffs) x5 = 900% while Crimson does 110%+20%+20%(+20% per type of debuff) x6 = 900%. So having 2 types of debuff will equal the damage of Crimson vs Zhen but there is up to 5 debuffs in Navy: Debilitate, Vulnerable, Silence, Stun from HT charge and Disarm from Pulse Jammer. After watching replays I seen many units affected by 3 debuffs at the same time when Crimson hits and easily more debuffs when some slots of the opponent are empty. Zhen will be more consistent while Crimson has more potential which sort of balance it out. Thus my hesitation to replace Crimson with Zhen, I fear I will not see any improvements. Do you think my theory is valid?
This simple answer is that Duke only debilitate 3 targets and even after multiple proc its still 3 targets while Layla lvl 5 debilitate up to 4 targets and the 2nd proc will debilitate up to 8 targets assuming it does not hit the same targets but still easily more than 4 targets after 2nd proc.
@@t-me8295 ducir texto con la cámara I don't have skill shards to give to Jester, I don't think it's worth it without his skill at level 5. I don't know how but I'm still surviving with my mediocre performance. I thank you for the advice T-me
Not trying tell you how to work test or videos but seems to me to be a better idea to test the newer heroes together. So many don’t have crimson and this is a pointless video. Many more will have the newer heroes and are waiting for your testing to push higher.
@@Hammered09 Meowzilla is a newer hero than many more people have and could have just upgraded. Crimson maybe 40% of people here don’t have. IMO it’s more important to get the newer setup which was supposed to be meta rather than go with a hero that not many people have.
@@Hammered09 we were told that we would get meow Layla jester the day after but we got stromy meow Layla vs zhen Layla jester which in reality showed up what most already knew. Jester is stronger than stromy
@raulvizcarra1899 that's YOUR opinion. And you don't know what percentage of ppl have Crimson, you're pulling a figure out the air. T-Me has done these videos in what people keep requesting, so if he's done Crimson, it's because lots of ppl have asked for it. So, it seems pretty relevant to me.
@@Hammered09 it’s more based on how many people that have crimson are still playing compared to how many are still playing and have meow. I’ve seen more people request meow but since Timmy did meow with stromy it’s become a secondary issue.
Perfect video! As a navy main with crimson, Layla, and Stromoy this is exactly what I needed to see. You’re awesome T-me!!!!
Your testing is always very valuable. Suggestion - remove the HT so you have 9 stacks of normal troops. Remove as many variables as you can. It will give you much less variability in your results. The HT column has an enormous impact of the number of enemy troops that remain. Where an HT is taken out early, that entire march dies much quicker than their opponent.
Lovely, thank you, Timmy! I hope top wallet doesn't F this up with a future update. I'm glad Crimson is still relevant. Cheers!
He is. Cause this huge curse is still upon us : The runes (titan gear)
Thanks bro,, waiting for the next episode
Thank you T-me. Amazing work in the last few days on Jester
Thank you Human ❤️❤️❤️
thank you timmy, i wish u can test mewzela with layla and jester
OK I got po Abad and storm shadow all ready to go for air March in what order should I set for them in my lineup
Any thoughts on Duke+Jester+Meowzilla?
Finally,,lol, my setup 👌 ty sir ❤
there are spreadsheets showing at lvl 5 jester meow and duke is best, why arent you testing this setup?
🙏🙏🙏
Great video Timmy
포. 제스퍼. ...궁굼합니다. ❤
Thnx Timmy!!
Ty Timmy
How are you determining the order of the heroes in the marches?
Super!
Timmy, I heard that you have a fight against 770. Please do Current and thank you 🥰
Im using po, striker, gypsy on navy 😭, need to wait for a new better hero then.
T-me I now have Zen in my navy march. What should I do with Crimson? Can he be part of my Air March?
Technically you can start your plane with him. But is not that strong solution for the planes .
Bit that’s how you slowly build your marches
Thanks T-me ,
M so curious
I’m using Duke (100) and Stromoy (80) atm. Should I consider Jester to replace Stromoy? If yes, I don’t want to upgrade Stromoy to level 100.
Yes
Please test Jester lvl5 vs Po lvl7
I don't understand. In both Duke and Layla's description, it says 15% debilitation so it sounds equal to me. What am I missing?
If you break it down even further Layla gives a total possible 320% and Duke 390%…. So Duke is actually the higher stats 🤔
@realsteel8113 But Layla hits random and Duke hits back row so Layla have a slightly advantage on the position it gets hit
Bob’s message :
Layla puts out more. Since Layla/Zhen/Jester have debilitates and vulnerables and jester boosts them both and you get increased damage from stacks with either applied and Zhen only needs one and it’s static dam+… if ES7 across the board and with Layla’s 6 plus all-out surge and 2 fully increased Impacts that’s 10 everytime she goes off and 20 first round… the skill and effects stack. Then you have Jester’s that would also stack on top of them as well. All these can stack and are increased by Jester.
With 3x Debilitate on Layla her 16.5% get turned into 31.35% and then boosted by Jester to be 43.89%… her special effect 4x start at 30% then boosted by Debilitate raise it to 57% and then boosted by Jester to 79.8%. Then Jester you could leave them as is or add Debilitation. But base they start at 30% like the effects and her skill boosts them to 42%. If you do the debilitations it boosts them to 79.8 as well… Then you could put 3x30% Heavy blow on Zhen and turn her 15% into 28.5% and Jester would further increase them to 39.9%.
You could also go the Armor Breaking on her and All Out surge and they would apply 4x30% Vulnerable’s and 8 first round that would be increase by Heavy Blow to 57% and further by Jester’s skill to 79.8%
So to summarize the numbers with pushing Debilitate, Impact, Heavy Blow, and Armor Breaking:
Layla’s skill Debilitates - 6x43.89% per trigger and 12 in the first round
Layla’s Effect debilitates - 4x79.8% and 8 in the first round
Jester skill debilitates - 3-5x79.8%
Zhen’s skill Vulnerable’s - 3x39.9%
Zhen’s Effect Vulnerable’s - 4x79.8% and 8 in the first round per triggers.
You can theoretically reduce their Atk power on a stack by over 100%…
And as they wear off after attacking it can last first two rounds…
Jester could then stack two 40% dam+ and Artillery Storm.
But you realize a lot of Stacks would have over 100% Vulnerable’s as well.
That then get booster by Zhen’s mechanic as well.
With the Debilitating and Vulnerable boosting and applying effects on the Jester march you would have HELLA damage mitigation from the Debilitating effects and HELLA damage increases from the Vulnerable effects!
The stacking capabilities are making the reduced percentages of pulse effects, ignition effects, debilitating effects, and vulnerable effects make sense, but what’s over looked the most is they only take 6 runes to max to 30% and not 32 to get to 40%… plus with them exponentially boosting each other and then further exponentially being boosted by other heroes make them SO much stronger than the dam+/-…
ESPECIALLY when you look how they are applied and how incremental the dam+/- is to compared to the (x*y)*z of the other effects!
I mean even the 15% vulnerables from Zhen get turned into 39.9% then multipled by 50% by zhen’s combined skill/ES5/ES7 bonuses to 60%…
The Armor Breaking ones would be twice as strong!!
And this is applied to the skill attacks multiplicatively with the existing atk/dam+ stats the march already has…
@@t-me8295Hi Timmy, this is what my Navy march is about. I have Layla lvl 7 with all out surge and 2 full Impact and 2 full debilitate rune gears and Crimson lvl 7 although without all out surge 2 full Armour breaking and 2 x 1.5 star heavy blow gear. I tested Jester lvl 5 and it performed better than lvl 7 Stromoy. I have a question, although your old test of Zhen vs Crimson show Zhen slightly better, I didn't replace Crimson because I thought Crimson have potential to do more damage in my case. Zhen does 130%+50%(if target has debuffs) x5 = 900% while Crimson does 110%+20%+20%(+20% per type of debuff) x6 = 900%. So having 2 types of debuff will equal the damage of Crimson vs Zhen but there is up to 5 debuffs in Navy: Debilitate, Vulnerable, Silence, Stun from HT charge and Disarm from Pulse Jammer. After watching replays I seen many units affected by 3 debuffs at the same time when Crimson hits and easily more debuffs when some slots of the opponent are empty. Zhen will be more consistent while Crimson has more potential which sort of balance it out. Thus my hesitation to replace Crimson with Zhen, I fear I will not see any improvements. Do you think my theory is valid?
This simple answer is that Duke only debilitate 3 targets and even after multiple proc its still 3 targets while Layla lvl 5 debilitate up to 4 targets and the 2nd proc will debilitate up to 8 targets assuming it does not hit the same targets but still easily more than 4 targets after 2nd proc.
Any reason why some whales put Crims first, Jester 2nd and Layla last?
Wie wäre Layla Meow und Jester denke ich ist besser als Layla Zhen und Jester oder
Nein , meowzilla has nix von debilitation . Zhen / crimson schon
I want ti have 1st comment 🍻
Nice video , I have duke crimson and po is it okay for navy?
Was my previous march.. jester is a bloody game changer in po's place mate
Layla jester and meowzilla?
lol, i only have Crimson, Po and, Gypsy whit habilty in level 5, very bad march for navy 😢
Jorge:
Unlock Jester and upgrade Layla or Duke (whichever is easier for you to reach 5 stars) and aim for the lvl 5 exclusive skill on Layla or Duke .
@@t-me8295 ducir texto con la cámara
I don't have skill shards to give to Jester, I don't think it's worth it without his skill at level 5.
I don't know how but I'm still surviving with my mediocre performance.
I thank you for the advice T-me
new Meta is Duke+Jester+Meow Simple!!
So how much better is Jester/Layla/Crimson then Stromoy/Layla/Crimson?
Way better with jesters exclusive 5
@@nostrauradamaus9618curious as to what percentage better. I have 600 shards I could use right now, or do I wait for something else?
Not trying tell you how to work test or videos but seems to me to be a better idea to test the newer heroes together. So many don’t have crimson and this is a pointless video. Many more will have the newer heroes and are waiting for your testing to push higher.
It's not pointless at all. People who use Crimson have been waiting days for this. So your comment is moot!
@@Hammered09 Meowzilla is a newer hero than many more people have and could have just upgraded. Crimson maybe 40% of people here don’t have. IMO it’s more important to get the newer setup which was supposed to be meta rather than go with a hero that not many people have.
@@Hammered09 we were told that we would get meow Layla jester the day after but we got stromy meow Layla vs zhen Layla jester which in reality showed up what most already knew. Jester is stronger than stromy
@raulvizcarra1899 that's YOUR opinion. And you don't know what percentage of ppl have Crimson, you're pulling a figure out the air. T-Me has done these videos in what people keep requesting, so if he's done Crimson, it's because lots of ppl have asked for it. So, it seems pretty relevant to me.
@@Hammered09 it’s more based on how many people that have crimson are still playing compared to how many are still playing and have meow. I’ve seen more people request meow but since Timmy did meow with stromy it’s become a secondary issue.