I dont have cows but have hay ground. I want to bale graze vs sell hay but as wierd as it sounds i make more money selling the hay than what someone would pay to winter their cows.
Thats not too suprising, theres usually things that dont make sense in all markets. But what about the cost of selling your nutrients vs recycling them into your hay field? The year after i bale grazed the bale row grass is easily twice as tall. That would add up to strong fertility over many years
@brick_deerskin8768 the fertility issue is important to me as this is very sandy ground, crp that used to be wheat field, and grass is sparse on half the land. This year i have to sell the hay to buy fence and get a well dug. Debating whether summer mob grazing or winter bale grazing would be better
Thats understandable, i think you have to make decisions based on what money you could make each year/afford in short term,but think about the effects long term. I would love to bale graze 10 times as many cows but am limited to time and money too. If you are setting up fence thats ok, next year that expense should be gone right? As for fertility bale grazing is very great and can heal land but is very concentrated. The residue would help fill in your dry patches but it might take a decade to cover your entire area. I bought 200 hay bales last year and they easily spread out in around 15 acre feild. I graze 150 acres which might get me 150 bales if i hayed it instead. Therefore using my own hay it might take me a decade to cover it all. Which is not bad because that fertility will last for years. Winter bale grazing would be easy in the sense that you will not ever overgraze because there are no cows in the winter. If you make the hay yourself you could just leave the bales and graze them where they were made. This would work well if you had a lot of fence setup, not with temporary wire. Hope it goes well, either way learning and improving comes with time. @@redrustyhill2
@@redrustyhill2 Sandy ground is sandy ground. There is very little you can do to change its fertility ! Sand aerates the soil causing anything and everything to decompose ! Meaning. Sand will eat itself out of house and home ! This is also true with any soils ! So called regenerative farming .....farmers / ranchers think they can " build " the soils. Very true to an extent. After that...the same is true........the soils eat themselves out of house and home ! Unless you use commercial fertilizers to get an extra "boost " the soils will only produce so much ! This is why farmers do use commercial fertilizers on corn / soybean crops ! Take for example ..... Mr. Glyphosate ( Greg Judy ) ...... He will " never " show an example where he tries to uses.......or experiments with commercial fertilizers ! Because he dont want to shame himself ! By using fertilizers you can nearly double your grass production ! As a dairy farmer Ive dont rotational grazing for years. Tried many ways and things. Open up.........try doing new things ! Dont follow someone on youtube !!
What sized bales did you use ? If anything bigger then say 400 pounds (say 3 foot x 4 foot bales ) expect weeds ! Use small bales....cows are in and out in a short time. Not so much trampling ! If you put a mountain of hay in a small area......how do you expect them to clean it all up with out cows standing on it for days on end ?????
@@user-tc3ou6sy5f controlled feeding through the bale shredder. Works out to about 40 pounds per day per head 1300 pound round bales. I make a line just so all of the cows are tight but not fighting. They clean it up.
Sandy ground is sandy ground. There is very little you can do to change its fertility ! Sand aerates the soil causing anything and everything to decompose ! Meaning. Sand will eat itself out of house and home ! This is also true with any soils ! So called regenerative farming .....farmers / ranchers think they can " build " the soils. Very true to an extent. After that...the same is true........the soils eat themselves out of house and home ! Unless you use commercial fertilizers to get an extra "boost " the soils will only produce so much ! This is why farmers do use commercial fertilizers on corn / soybean crops ! Take for example ..... Mr. Glyphosate ( Greg Judy ) ...... He will " never " show an example where he tries to uses.......or experiments with commercial fertilizers ! Because he dont want to shame himself ! By using fertilizers you can nearly double your grass production ! As a dairy farmer Ive dont rotational grazing for years. Tried many ways and things. Open up.........try doing new things ! Dont follow someone on youtube !!
Strip grazing in the summer after bale grazing this way....... Yah right......and a farmer expects cows to eat that quality of grass when it stinks....of mole and manure ???? Im a dairy farmer....doing this......just as well dry the milk cows up ! No big issues if yah plan to bale it. Ask..why dont more "" dairy """ farmers graze ?????
Very good video! To the point, illustrative, educational. Keep up the good work👍😊
Great video
I dont have cows but have hay ground. I want to bale graze vs sell hay but as wierd as it sounds i make more money selling the hay than what someone would pay to winter their cows.
Thats not too suprising, theres usually things that dont make sense in all markets. But what about the cost of selling your nutrients vs recycling them into your hay field? The year after i bale grazed the bale row grass is easily twice as tall. That would add up to strong fertility over many years
@brick_deerskin8768 the fertility issue is important to me as this is very sandy ground, crp that used to be wheat field, and grass is sparse on half the land. This year i have to sell the hay to buy fence and get a well dug. Debating whether summer mob grazing or winter bale grazing would be better
Thats understandable, i think you have to make decisions based on what money you could make each year/afford in short term,but think about the effects long term. I would love to bale graze 10 times as many cows but am limited to time and money too.
If you are setting up fence thats ok, next year that expense should be gone right? As for fertility bale grazing is very great and can heal land but is very concentrated. The residue would help fill in your dry patches but it might take a decade to cover your entire area. I bought 200 hay bales last year and they easily spread out in around 15 acre feild. I graze 150 acres which might get me 150 bales if i hayed it instead.
Therefore using my own hay it might take me a decade to cover it all. Which is not bad because that fertility will last for years.
Winter bale grazing would be easy in the sense that you will not ever overgraze because there are no cows in the winter. If you make the hay yourself you could just leave the bales and graze them where they were made. This would work well if you had a lot of fence setup, not with temporary wire. Hope it goes well, either way learning and improving comes with time. @@redrustyhill2
@@redrustyhill2 Sandy ground is sandy ground. There is very little you can do to change its fertility ! Sand aerates the soil causing anything and everything to decompose ! Meaning. Sand will eat itself out of house and home ! This is also true with any soils ! So called regenerative farming .....farmers / ranchers think they can " build " the soils. Very true to an extent. After that...the same is true........the soils eat themselves out of house and home ! Unless you use commercial fertilizers to get an extra "boost " the soils will only produce so much ! This is why farmers do use commercial fertilizers on corn / soybean crops ! Take for example ..... Mr. Glyphosate ( Greg Judy ) ...... He will " never " show an example where he tries to uses.......or experiments with commercial fertilizers ! Because he dont want to shame himself ! By using fertilizers you can nearly double your grass production ! As a dairy farmer Ive dont rotational grazing for years. Tried many ways and things. Open up.........try doing new things ! Dont follow someone on youtube !!
I tried something similar here. Sadly all I end up with is a huge field of weeds.
It use to be nice crested wheat grass
Where at?
@@redrustyhill2 se Saskatchewan Canada
What sized bales did you use ? If anything bigger then say 400 pounds (say 3 foot x 4 foot bales ) expect weeds ! Use small bales....cows are in and out in a short time. Not so much trampling ! If you put a mountain of hay in a small area......how do you expect them to clean it all up with out cows standing on it for days on end ?????
@@user-tc3ou6sy5f controlled feeding through the bale shredder. Works out to about 40 pounds per day per head
1300 pound round bales. I make a line just so all of the cows are tight but not fighting. They clean it up.
Where can I get a selfie stick like that?
It happens to be custom made. Very hard to find...
Sandy ground is sandy ground. There is very little you can do to change its fertility ! Sand aerates the soil causing anything and everything to decompose ! Meaning. Sand will eat itself out of house and home ! This is also true with any soils ! So called regenerative farming .....farmers / ranchers think they can " build " the soils. Very true to an extent. After that...the same is true........the soils eat themselves out of house and home ! Unless you use commercial fertilizers to get an extra "boost " the soils will only produce so much ! This is why farmers do use commercial fertilizers on corn / soybean crops ! Take for example ..... Mr. Glyphosate ( Greg Judy ) ...... He will " never " show an example where he tries to uses.......or experiments with commercial fertilizers ! Because he dont want to shame himself ! By using fertilizers you can nearly double your grass production ! As a dairy farmer Ive dont rotational grazing for years. Tried many ways and things. Open up.........try doing new things ! Dont follow someone on youtube !!
Strip grazing in the summer after bale grazing this way....... Yah right......and a farmer expects cows to eat that quality of grass when it stinks....of mole and manure ???? Im a dairy farmer....doing this......just as well dry the milk cows up ! No big issues if yah plan to bale it.
Ask..why dont more "" dairy """ farmers graze ?????
Great video