They are way underrated. Lots of people in RV parks using similar setups. Most people add air bags for comfort and ride quality. You could also go with a kelderman setup. Truck can handle that weight no problem. The transmission in the 2500 is the real weak link in the setup. Mine actually seems to like having weight and working over being empty.
I just went with a smaller 5th wheel for 2 people I don't really need any bigger we don't spend much time in it except for sleeping really. Most of the time were going places to see stuff do things. If I was full time I would buy a motorhome and tow a small car.
The truck looks level! Ram needs to do something about their payload deficit with their 3/4 ton Diesel trucks! The problem with the Ram air suspension is, when equipped, the system does take away from the payload! You're better off not going with the air suspension in a Ram 2500 Diesel.
The problem is the vehicle classification. To keep the 2500 a class 2b they have to neuter the payload on paper. If DOT changed the 2b class to 12k that same 2500 would have 4k payload. Ram 2500 and 3500 standard share same motor, trans, frame, axles, breaks and tires (only difference is coils vs leafs) Ram rates the 2500 axle at 6k but AAM rates it at 10k. 2500's are grossly underrated!
@@jimmy450r no, the 2500 has less torque, same motor but just not turned up. This also allows them to use a cheaper transmission in the 68rfe instead of the aisn. The 68rfe is a fine Trans but you don't want to turn up the power on the motor AND every time you tow you have to have the tow haul mode on. This is because 5th and 6th in the rfe are overdrive gears that have a lighter clutch. The reason for this is that it shifts softer while not towing. If the mode is on it will hold 4th gear or lower during a hard pull. The motor has plenty of power to hold 5th or even 6th, it's only to get more life out of the Transmission. You will slip the clutch and tear it out of 5th gear and that requires you to remove the entire transmission unbolted from the motor, a new main seal, new transmission fluid, and rebuilding 5th and 6th gear because 6th would have started to ware and you may as well do it now than later.
@@sonsofliberty3081 Read it again... I said "Ram 2500 and 3500 standard" You are referring to the "HO Cummins" not the "Standard Cummins" My statement is correct.
I have a 2020 f250 xlt with a 6.2 gas and pull a 15,000 lb jayco pinnacle. Put a super spring helper on rear, no problem. It's all in how you drive, if you can drive a trailer?
Hey i have a 2020 ram 2500 laramie, payloud is 2056, i wanted a fifth wheel that has 3400 hitch weight if i ad air bags would i be able to tow comfortable. what is your take ?
Trailer specification input is listed under 2022 enhancements for UConnect. We just ordered a 3500, but neither the dealer or UConnect customer service could answer the question of where you input the height/width/length for the trailer. UConnect didn’t even understand what I was asking. Been using a Rand McNally for RV’s for years and was hoping to get away from that, but looks like it may not have been added as advertised.
For my Reese I placed duct tape in the middle of the hitch stripe down. Then use a gooseneck hook up helper from Jeffers Pets this works well for a one person hookup. You align the helper with the Tape line using your rear view mirror and it is close once the helper falls or is close to falling. works well for me.
My 2006 F250 6.0 crew cab Lariat 4x4 had more payload capacity than that (2,396 lbs). Ram is really behind the curve. I thought that new truck would be somewhere in the 3,000 lb range. You are lucky to tow a 35 ft travel trailer with that truck, forget any 5th wheel.
Your 2006 F250 also weighed less than the Ram. That's literally the only thing that's taken into account on all these figures. Truck weighs more, it tows less (with exception of diesels towing a bit more) and payload is less. Doesn't mean it's not capable of doing it. My 2022 Ram is a gas and hauls 860lbs more. They share the same exact frame, 5 link suspension, and tires. The hemi is def not stronger than the Cummins. So again, all about weight.
@@tex_gil117 And about HOW they weigh the trucks for that payload sticker. Before the options and without fuel? No spare tire and jack? The only way to really KNOW what your payload is on a 250/2500 is to fill it with fuel and DEF, put everything in it and under the seat that you usually carry with you, put you and your wife in it, and WEIGH IT. My Ram 2500 Cummins weighs 8250. Subtract that from the GVWR of 10,000 lbs and you have 1750 lbs for payload. Put 2 people in the back seat and now it's 1500 lbs or less... Options are weight. Power back window, power sunroof, heated and air conditioned seats, DVD players... all the weight of the options reduces the payload. How much does a 20,000 lb rated 5th wheel hitch weigh? That comes off the payload rating too. The truck can only legally weigh 10,000 lbs.
Just ordered a 22 ram3500 cc lb 4x4 aisin. Trailer pin weight dry is 2200. Max trailer 16k. I think pin will be closer to 2750 loaded. It’s also 40ft. I debated about maybe going to a dually but the trailer will be well within the SRW capabilities
Caught that watch when you were playing with the rearview mirror. What is it? I just bought a Ram 2500 t2 and I had to shut off the guides on the backup camera because they were so far off.
At 10:28 the sticker is very clear that truck is rated for 1,998 lbs load, my guess is trailer pin weight alone puts the truck over, let alone adding pin box, occupants etc
So this is 14K though. The 5th wheel I would like is only about 8K and dry hitch weight about 1.3K. So I think the 2500 Cummins would be just fine. The Cummins mainly because I want a diesel. I know the Hemi is great but you live once. Plus I’d like to get a diesel for longevity and run it for 2 possibly even 3 decades.
I have a Ram 2500 Diesel too. Your truck will pull 14,000 lbs just fine. The issue is the tongue weight. Your truck should be rated at about 2350 lbs . That is the amount of downward weight on the bed of the truck ( or the hitch ). Check the tongue weight of the trailer-if it is more that 2350 you are over loading the truck and really need a 1 ton truck.
Just because that’s the “rating” that doesn’t mean that’s what it can safely hold. Doesn’t it seem weird that 2500 payloads have been decreasing every year while 3500 payloads have increased by thousands of pounds? It’s because Dodge wants to avoid their 2500 being a “commercial vehicle” in some states by having too high of a payload.
That’s why I went with the 22 Chevy 2500 custom, have so much payload 3624lbs and 10620gvw. Makes no sense that you have all the power to yank this trailer but can’t handle the pin weight
I didnt see it in this video, but do you know if the 22s have the feature where when you have a trailer hooked up and you signal, does it display on the screen? I know the Chevy does this. My 2020 3500 does not.
Question ? why not just spend 400$ on some coil springs . "CargoMaxxHD heavy-duty coil spring 351-903HD for the 2WD/4WD Ram 2500 pickup provides an easy upgrade for trucks used in continuous heavy hauling conditions. The variable rate HD springs are designed to carry 35% more load at stock load height and improve vehicle ride quality. Fits rear applications"
I have the cargo bed camera but my toolbox blocks my gooseball. I just center the middle head rest up with the trailer tongue and hit it pretty much dead on left to right just have to hop out to check front to back
My 5th wheel is VERY similar to yours, but I am looking at a one ton Ram instead of the 3/4 ton due to what you saw. We live in our RV as well but we have a lot more than 300 pounds of stuff in our RV. I’m guessing it’s closer to 1,000 pounds, which is still within our RV’s capacity.
The fact is that that drive train can handle that 5er with no problem. Don’t know why ram doesn’t just beef up some components in the rear and raise the Gvwr to 11000.
@@daviddouglass7662 what I mean is an in-between. No reason the 2500 has to match the 3500 in payload and overall capacity. The 2500 rides much better empty than the 3500, and imo those that only tow occasionally will favor the better ride empty. You can engineer a better progressive spring to maintain the quality of the ride empty and give you the control and capability at a higher payload. Couple that with a stout track bar and maybe beefier sway bar, and shocks tuned to suit… sky is the limit. Ram is just being lazy, and cheap.
I thought the only difference between the 2500 & the 3500 was the rear suspension. Leaf springs over coil. Other than that, everything is the same. Same axle, same brakes.
Wait what!! That 2500 can only haul 1998 lbs of bed Weight? That is pathetic… my 1500 limited is like 1750… my 2018 ram 2500 cummins with 4:10 is 2700lbs? Why is this truck soo low on there payload? It makes no sense.. these campers are getting soo fucking big that besides a dually you can’t pull them. No ram Laramie or higher has over 3000 payload. Most are 2700-2900 with normal options. So unless you weigh 150lbs and it’s only you in the truck your fucked
Air Bags or Timbrens don't add payload capacity. Most 3/4 ton Cummins equipped Ram's have a payload capacity of less than 2800lbs. The hitch, passengers and a fuel must be subtracted from the payload.....not to mention all the stuff in the trailer. My Laramie 3500 dually's payload capacity is 5500.....about 1000lbs more than I need for my 35' Montana 5th wheel.
Sad they have to traverse the border. I have an 07 mega. Made in Mexico as well. For as much as they are charging for new trucks now, you'd figure they could move the plants back in country.
I live in Baltimore and haven’t seen all these trucks but I do know my local dealership Keene Dodge has a shit Ton of 2500 and 3500 sitting in there lots
How long is your 5th wheel I’ve got a 2019 2500 with the Cummins.My 5th wheel is 43’ long and 12,000 pounds which has been sitting at its seasonal location since it was delivered in 2017 and haven’t towed it yet.I was a little worried with it only being a 2500 that I might be better off with a Duly.My last camper prior to getting the 5th whee was a 36’ bumper pull which we towed with a 2012 Ram 2500 slt with just the Hemi.It towed it fine locally here on the east coast mainly because it’s flat here. The Ram I have now is a Tradesman and not a 100 percent sure if I’d be fine with towing the 12,000 5th wheel
You don’t go off the payload or pin weight. You go by axle weight and he just said 6k so you are super good. My trailer is 3100 payload weight same truck but a 2018. I’ve been around the USA just fine it’s also a 44 ft toy hauler and 14 ft y’all
The HO is actually a trick. What actually matters is the AISIN. The chassis cabs actually have less power than the STANDARD Cummins even, but the AISIN, and can obviously pull more than a 3500.
I love the black, I'm supposed to go and look at the same but a 3500, on the 2500 I've been there done that for my setup it's going to be a 1 ton. Awesome video I love all of your post, I have gone way back to look at some of your older video and it have been very helpful. As far as the route I'm using a Garmin 850, but it would have been nice if dodge would have added that feature.
Me too, I just hate cleaning it! When I bought my 2018 RAM 2500, I had no clue about hitch weight, GVWR, or payload, I just made sure I had enough towing capacity. Thanks for sharing and good luck with your search 👍🏾
So folks buy what you want gas or deisel. This truck would be fine, ordered with the option rear end and leaf spring package. The hemi means nothing. The conversation goes either way on that. The truck also needs air bags for this size 5th. Nothing will alter that in terms of safety.
I beleive for 21' they got a better valve body which was a major issue on em with leaking and bleeding off line pressure, and they got better tuning as well. The 68rfe has small 5th and 6th gear clutches and low line pressure as well as a weak case so its kind of just a weak design overall but aftermarket tuning and valve body to run higher line pressure has save em.
I dont get how a lot of these new F250 and 2500s are just going DOWN in payload capacity. My 06 F250 diesel payload sticker is 3100lbs but new F250s are 2000lbs Crazy.
My mega cab Laramie hemi has 2500 lbs payload. The Cummins is payload limited. Don’t like the air ride in NY. Ice messes with the sensors. 4.10 gears put me up to 16 k towing.
Just because that’s the “rating” that doesn’t mean that’s what it can safely hold. Doesn’t it seem weird that 2500 payloads have been decreasing every year while 3500 payloads have increased by thousands of pounds? It’s because Dodge wants to avoid their 2500 being a “commercial vehicle” in some states by having too high of a payload. They make it artificially low to keep it out of the commercial vehicle class and subject to extra registration fees and DOT regulations
I have the same exact truck pulling a 30’ Grand Design 5th wheel. This was our first 5th wheel, and my wife and I have already outgrown it. I want to trade in the GD for something bigger. Can someone, anyone, tell me if I can safely tow a 37-40’ 5th wheel with the same truck as in the video?
Fischize, I had to trade-in my 2022 2500 Longhorn diesel because it will not handle our 40" 5th wheel camper. That trade-in hurt. JB showed a great spreadsheet to convince yourself. When I weighed my truck with me, a full tank of fuel, the hitch and some tools, I was at 9150#. That only leaves 850# for tongue weight, family, and equipment. No 40' 5th wheel is going to be under that.
@@JB_WhoWork you are right it helps i did my homework before I bought mine and it has factory airbags they designed it like that for a purpose and it cost a lil more
Because of the shortages with parts, you aren’t able to order night edition on some trims. My friend just ordered one a couple days ago and had to get the sport package because night wasn’t available
@@JB_WhoWork was it a limited? Going to order on Monday. If you can’t get it on certain trims they need to remove it on the build your own website. I will be very upset if I can’t get it and will want to cancel my order and trade in
Try to build a Laramie online with the tow tech package... You can't. No 360 or trailer side camera. Have to go big horn or limited. I called a dealer and he couldn't find it either. Wound up going Longhorn, still waiting.
@@JB_WhoWork your videos helped convince me to bump up to a 3500 mega cab. Now that u connect 5 can update OTA, I felt comfortable pulling the trigger. That and my 2500 trade in is worth what I paid last year.
@@JB_WhoWork I pulled my stock trailer my 1/2 ton truck I didn’t know it was back there I felt the trailer push down on me empty on my ram 2500. And I pulled my hay baler it controlled me more
My experience is different. My '19 3500 has the air suspension and I love it. It handles the weight fantastic whether it be a full dump trailer or RV. With trailer, it rides soooooo much better than my '16 GMC Denali did.
@@JB_WhoWork Of course, I had a 2015 tradesman crew cab 4x4 and I loved the power that 6.4 had. I didn't like 5.2 mpg when pulling 8, 9 and 10% grades here in Arizona mountains. I also didn't like 3800 rpm it took to get up those 10 mile long hills. I kept that truck only 14 months. Resale wasn't the best either. I traded it for my 2016 Ram 2500 Crew cab 4x4 Cummins and there's no comparison. I love that truck. It's got 100k miles on it now and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. It's also a tradesman but I've had katskin leather interior done and a couple other little add on things. I pull a 2017 chaparral 35' fifth wheel. Send me an email address and I'll share a couple pictures
@Colby Roddam yea I thought about deleting but not taking chances on warranty since this was first year of updates. Next truck I probably won’t care as much 👍🏾
Been watching your videos for a few months now, just subscribed, your channel is awesome and full of real world facts and data from your own experience and knowledge. Awesome job man, thank you for making these informed vids for us. I have a 2022 Ram 3500 DRW and a 2022 Ram 2500 Cummins. Love them both, I also have a Keystone but it's a Montana 3921FB, 41 foot, that's why I bought the dually, I use the 2500 to tow our dump trailers and bigger enclosed trailers. I'm guessing I could beef up the suspension on my 2500 to tow the 5er but man, once you tow with a dually........................... I was wondering how you like your goosebox? I've thought about converting my pinbox but have read some interesting things about doing it and not doing it.
Thanks Greg, it’s great to have a 3/4 ton for the smaller jobs for sure! We were in the market for a Montana HC but I decided against it since I think I would need a dually to be within the Payload. The Reese goosebox is amazing, I can’t see myself using any other hitch and the good news is it doesn’t void the factory frame warranty 👍🏾
Nice video. Good demonstration of how the payload really limits the towing capacity, especially for fifth wheels. I don’t think even a Chevy 2500 would work in that situation though. It would be close. Side note, remember the truck I told you about ordering back when mine was down with lifters? Well we have agreed to terms on it and I’m now just waiting for it to come in. It was showing an ETA of 12/15 so I’m really hoping it comes before the end of the year.
Thanks bro, if it has at least 3300#’s it would be fine as long as you only have 2 people in the truck with nothing heavy in the bed. Are you gonna lemon law the 1500? Hope all goes well and you get the truck delivered this year! Did you go gas truck?
@@JB_WhoWork no just trading it. They are doing me good on trade and giving me GM Supplier on the new one. Yes it’s a gas truck. I’ll send you the build sheet and window sticker when I get it. Hopefully it comes within two weeks from today.
That trailer is too much for this truck. Just the trailer alone passes the tongue with out knowing what the propane adds to that weight or how many occupants. Wrong truck....The power mirrors are nice, but I think the Ford and GMC mirrors are better. I like your spread sheet, those numbers make sense now. thanks and good job on the vid.
The Ram website has a tool to tell you what your truck can tow. It shows different ratings for all the Ram trucks. You should use it before buying either a new truck or a new trailer. Make sure you have enough truck for the trailer you want to tow. You should really do your homework before you buy. Just saying.
Ah I was wondering about that. GAWR Rear 6040 lb, my Ram 3500 SRW has a 7000 lb Rear. Same front though. My GVWR is 11800 lbs. PSI on the rear of the 2500 is lower as well. Yep.. go for a 1 Ton, 2500's are for Power Wagon boys.
I've found that tires are the weak link when hauling weight. I've spent thousands to come to the conclusion that you MUST check the individual weight rating for each tire.
Its funny my wifes grand Cherokee is so soft and it has a 1500lbs payload capacity and my 2017 f250 powerstroke has 2100lbs payload capacity. 😂 Makes no sense
Hey JB. Looks like someone spilled the DEF on the side of that truck. I have that Pearl Black midnight 3500 Limited HO mega cab with air suspension. I believe my payload is 3792. That truck does look good in front of your rig. Love the videos.
@@DavidBrown-jt7yi oh ok thanks my 2500 has 3100 that why I ask and it is a gasser so I guess that makes a difference but I do want to pull the trigger on a 3500
Worst transmission, lowest power, least payload, oldest cab with the least amount of space. What exactly makes this the best 2500 besides your opinion?
@@satansleftnut25 I have. I’ve owned 2 fords , 7 rams but no chevys but I’ve drove a couple. They’re faster but I’d rather have Cummins because I do most of the work on my trucks and know the Rams real good because they are not perfect , I will admit.
Word of advice.. always back as straight as you can and line up the side of your RV with the side of your truck bed evenly on both sides
They are way underrated. Lots of people in RV parks using similar setups. Most people add air bags for comfort and ride quality. You could also go with a kelderman setup. Truck can handle that weight no problem. The transmission in the 2500 is the real weak link in the setup. Mine actually seems to like having weight and working over being empty.
Can’t change the door sticker though 🤷♂️
@@JB_WhoWork Will it do it? Yes. Is it legal? No.
I just went with a smaller 5th wheel for 2 people I don't really need any bigger we don't spend much time in it except for sleeping really. Most of the time were going places to see stuff do things. If I was full time I would buy a motorhome and tow a small car.
The truck is rated to tow 17-18k. So a 13,000 trailer is nothing.
@HalfCrazy520 you can haul whatever you want as a private citizen not being paid doesn't have to follow the door sticker
The truck looks level! Ram needs to do something about their payload deficit with their 3/4 ton Diesel trucks! The problem with the Ram air suspension is, when equipped, the system does take away from the payload! You're better off not going with the air suspension in a Ram 2500 Diesel.
The problem is the vehicle classification. To keep the 2500 a class 2b they have to neuter the payload on paper. If DOT changed the 2b class to 12k that same 2500 would have 4k payload. Ram 2500 and 3500 standard share same motor, trans, frame, axles, breaks and tires (only difference is coils vs leafs) Ram rates the 2500 axle at 6k but AAM rates it at 10k. 2500's are grossly underrated!
@@jimmy450r I won't argue that! Spot on!
@@jimmy450r no, the 2500 has less torque, same motor but just not turned up. This also allows them to use a cheaper transmission in the 68rfe instead of the aisn. The 68rfe is a fine Trans but you don't want to turn up the power on the motor AND every time you tow you have to have the tow haul mode on. This is because 5th and 6th in the rfe are overdrive gears that have a lighter clutch. The reason for this is that it shifts softer while not towing. If the mode is on it will hold 4th gear or lower during a hard pull. The motor has plenty of power to hold 5th or even 6th, it's only to get more life out of the Transmission. You will slip the clutch and tear it out of 5th gear and that requires you to remove the entire transmission unbolted from the motor, a new main seal, new transmission fluid, and rebuilding 5th and 6th gear because 6th would have started to ware and you may as well do it now than later.
@@sonsofliberty3081 Read it again... I said "Ram 2500 and 3500 standard" You are referring to the "HO Cummins" not the "Standard Cummins" My statement is correct.
Air suspension is for leveling, not payload deficit.
Skip from 4min to 8 min to cut out trying to line up ball
I have a 2020 f250 xlt with a 6.2 gas and pull a 15,000 lb jayco pinnacle. Put a super spring helper on rear, no problem. It's all in how you drive, if you can drive a trailer?
My Ram 2500 Tradesman has a 3350 payload capacity.
Hey i have a 2020 ram 2500 laramie, payloud is 2056, i wanted a fifth wheel that has 3400 hitch weight if i ad air bags would i be able to tow comfortable. what is your take ?
the air bags do nothing to gain payload rating on the truck, if you're over payload you have a legal problem
Great video JB, I like the way you explain things in detail… thx
Trailer specification input is listed under 2022 enhancements for UConnect. We just ordered a 3500, but neither the dealer or UConnect customer service could answer the question of where you input the height/width/length for the trailer. UConnect didn’t even understand what I was asking. Been using a Rand McNally for RV’s for years and was hoping to get away from that, but looks like it may not have been added as advertised.
For my Reese I placed duct tape in the middle of the hitch stripe down. Then use a gooseneck hook up helper from Jeffers Pets this works well for a one person hookup. You align the helper with the Tape line using your rear view mirror and it is close once the helper falls or is close to falling. works well for me.
My 2006 F250 6.0 crew cab Lariat 4x4 had more payload capacity than that (2,396 lbs). Ram is really behind the curve. I thought that new truck would be somewhere in the 3,000 lb range. You are lucky to tow a 35 ft travel trailer with that truck, forget any 5th wheel.
Your 2006 F250 also weighed less than the Ram. That's literally the only thing that's taken into account on all these figures. Truck weighs more, it tows less (with exception of diesels towing a bit more) and payload is less. Doesn't mean it's not capable of doing it. My 2022 Ram is a gas and hauls 860lbs more. They share the same exact frame, 5 link suspension, and tires. The hemi is def not stronger than the Cummins. So again, all about weight.
@@tex_gil117 And about HOW they weigh the trucks for that payload sticker. Before the options and without fuel? No spare tire and jack? The only way to really KNOW what your payload is on a 250/2500 is to fill it with fuel and DEF, put everything in it and under the seat that you usually carry with you, put you and your wife in it, and WEIGH IT. My Ram 2500 Cummins weighs 8250. Subtract that from the GVWR of 10,000 lbs and you have 1750 lbs for payload. Put 2 people in the back seat and now it's 1500 lbs or less...
Options are weight. Power back window, power sunroof, heated and air conditioned seats, DVD players... all the weight of the options reduces the payload. How much does a 20,000 lb rated 5th wheel hitch weigh? That comes off the payload rating too. The truck can only legally weigh 10,000 lbs.
@B B Thanx, edited.
The 6.4 Hemi 2500 has a 3300lb pay load, 1,000 more than a Cummins
@@angelabrandonsantacruz4596 gas engines are lighter, gives you more payload, less towing capability
There is plenty of people walking around, ask one to help guide you to your ball. It is much easier than getting out constantly and checking.
I have a mega cab same size trailer and airbags. Tows it awesome.
Good video JB. Great information and it was nice you being able to use Truck other than you own to be able show information on different trucks. 👍🏻
Thanks Ric, wish I could have figured out the trailer height function, hopefully someone will figure it out 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork still great review.
Just ordered a 22 ram3500 cc lb 4x4 aisin. Trailer pin weight dry is 2200. Max trailer 16k. I think pin will be closer to 2750 loaded. It’s also 40ft. I debated about maybe going to a dually but the trailer will be well within the SRW capabilities
Have you seen the new F-150 interiors? How do you think they compared to the ram?
I have but it was at night, most dealers don’t have any in stock so I couldn’t give you a fair opinion 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork I wish u were closer! I got one.
Caught that watch when you were playing with the rearview mirror. What is it?
I just bought a Ram 2500 t2 and I had to shut off the guides on the backup camera because they were so far off.
It’s an Emporio Armani
Yup, my conventional hitch guide line is accurate but the bed line is off a half an inch or so 👍🏾
Airbags really helped my F350. Airlift system in the rear for my 42 foot fifth wheel.
Hi do u have a copy of that spreadsheet that link is broken.
Wh as t r u talking about pin weight concerning the 6.7 cummins
Hey brother, your videos have not popped up in awhile, good to see them
Yea I’ve been a little busy but I have some more good ones coming 👍🏾
Did you pay extra for the goose neck kit in the box?
I did, mine is made by B&W and it’s probably the best kit on the market still 👍🏾
ordered my Laramie 2500 cummins on july 10th. was told a few weeks ago it would ship on Nov 26th. no update on it yet.
I order a 2500 big horn on July 3rd. Dealer just called me the other day saying it was being painted....
Great video. We are just getting started with an rv. Can't wait!
That’s awesome, thanks 👍🏾
Yes another great video an information!
At 10:28 the sticker is very clear that truck is rated for 1,998 lbs load, my guess is trailer pin weight alone puts the truck over, let alone adding pin box, occupants etc
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JB, great video. I was wondering how the Reese goose box does with a 6.5’ short bed. Will you still hit the cab on tight turns?
We shall see, did a video specifically for this with this truck 👍🏾
Perfect. Can’t wait. 👍
So this is 14K though. The 5th wheel I would like is only about 8K and dry hitch weight about 1.3K. So I think the 2500 Cummins would be just fine. The Cummins mainly because I want a diesel. I know the Hemi is great but you live once. Plus I’d like to get a diesel for longevity and run it for 2 possibly even 3 decades.
I have a Ram 2500 Diesel too. Your truck will pull 14,000 lbs just fine. The issue is the tongue weight. Your truck should be rated at about 2350 lbs . That is the amount of downward weight on the bed of the truck ( or the hitch ). Check the tongue weight of the trailer-if it is more that 2350 you are over loading the truck and really need a 1 ton truck.
My 2019 Ram 2500 Quad Cab Diesel is rated at 2,069 lbs load.
Just because that’s the “rating” that doesn’t mean that’s what it can safely hold. Doesn’t it seem weird that 2500 payloads have been decreasing every year while 3500 payloads have increased by thousands of pounds? It’s because Dodge wants to avoid their 2500 being a “commercial vehicle” in some states by having too high of a payload.
If you already purchased a 2500, are there any hardware upgrades that can be made to increase tongue weight capacity without purchasing a new vehicle?
That’s why I went with the 22 Chevy 2500 custom, have so much payload 3624lbs and 10620gvw. Makes no sense that you have all the power to yank this trailer but can’t handle the pin weight
Yup, Chevy did the right thing, I keep talking about it hoping someone from RAM will fix this issue 👍🏾
Even at 3600# you're pushing it. Better to go with the 1ton.
exactly, my 20 Chev 2500 LT (Duramax) has a GVWR of 11350 and payload of 3375!
What is the biggest srw 3500 HO Cummins camper I can get Laramie edition? crew cab
I didnt see it in this video, but do you know if the 22s have the feature where when you have a trailer hooked up and you signal, does it display on the screen? I know the Chevy does this. My 2020 3500 does not.
It does have that function
@@JB_WhoWork thank you
Do u think any of these exact trucks are available still in night edition in black
Yes, I own a 2022 Ram 2500 Mega Cab, Limited, Night Edition
Tuned and deleted it won't know that 14ks back there. Mines 13.8k dry I have bo issues running 85,90mph with cruise and no lag at all on hills.
Would be great to see this same experiment with a slide in bed camper!
Blue shocks. Those are the off-road ones, right? Do they squat a lot more than the regular ones?
Correct, I doubt it because the springs rates don’t change
Shocks have zero to do with payload or squatting
Question ? why not just spend 400$ on some coil springs .
"CargoMaxxHD heavy-duty coil spring 351-903HD for the 2WD/4WD Ram 2500 pickup provides an easy upgrade for trucks used in continuous heavy hauling conditions. The variable rate HD springs are designed to carry 35% more load at stock load height and improve vehicle ride quality. Fits rear applications"
Why didn’t you use the bed camera when you was backing up the truck to the rig????
Didn’t have it
I have the cargo bed camera but my toolbox blocks my gooseball. I just center the middle head rest up with the trailer tongue and hit it pretty much dead on left to right just have to hop out to check front to back
My 5th wheel is VERY similar to yours, but I am looking at a one ton Ram instead of the 3/4 ton due to what you saw. We live in our RV as well but we have a lot more than 300 pounds of stuff in our RV. I’m guessing it’s closer to 1,000 pounds, which is still within our RV’s capacity.
The 300 pounds of stuff is what I figured would be inside my truck not including passengers. My rv probably has closer to 2000#’s of stuff lol
The fact is that that drive train can handle that 5er with no problem. Don’t know why ram doesn’t just beef up some components in the rear and raise the Gvwr to 11000.
They already do. A 3500.
@@daviddouglass7662 Yeah but make a better 2500.
@@daviddouglass7662 what I mean is an in-between. No reason the 2500 has to match the 3500 in payload and overall capacity. The 2500 rides much better empty than the 3500, and imo those that only tow occasionally will favor the better ride empty.
You can engineer a better progressive spring to maintain the quality of the ride empty and give you the control and capability at a higher payload. Couple that with a stout track bar and maybe beefier sway bar, and shocks tuned to suit… sky is the limit.
Ram is just being lazy, and cheap.
I thought the only difference between the 2500 & the 3500 was the rear suspension. Leaf springs over coil. Other than that, everything is the same. Same axle, same brakes.
@@mendiesel7932 called Air bags
Wait what!! That 2500 can only haul 1998 lbs of bed Weight? That is pathetic… my 1500 limited is like 1750… my 2018 ram 2500 cummins with 4:10 is 2700lbs? Why is this truck soo low on there payload? It makes no sense.. these campers are getting soo fucking big that besides a dually you can’t pull them. No ram Laramie or higher has over 3000 payload. Most are 2700-2900 with normal options. So unless you weigh 150lbs and it’s only you in the truck your fucked
Air Bags or Timbrens don't add payload capacity. Most 3/4 ton Cummins equipped Ram's have a payload capacity of less than 2800lbs. The hitch, passengers and a fuel must be subtracted from the payload.....not to mention all the stuff in the trailer. My Laramie 3500 dually's payload capacity is 5500.....about 1000lbs more than I need for my 35' Montana 5th wheel.
Great video it looks beautiful I love the center screen but hate the side view mirrors
Thanks, you gotta keep them up in my opinion 👍🏾
Can you do a video of Ram trucks coming off the ship in Baltimore and how they are staged to go to other dealership. Thanks Jack
I wish I could, I wouldn’t have access and not sure who to contact to ask 🤷♂️
@HalfShell some are I ordered a 2022 2500 and it went by ship to Baltimore. I live in Pittsburgh so now waiting for it to get to the dealership.
Sad they have to traverse the border. I have an 07 mega. Made in Mexico as well. For as much as they are charging for new trucks now, you'd figure they could move the plants back in country.
I live in Baltimore and haven’t seen all these trucks but I do know my local dealership Keene Dodge has a shit Ton of 2500 and 3500 sitting in there lots
How long is your 5th wheel I’ve got a 2019 2500 with the Cummins.My 5th wheel is 43’ long and 12,000 pounds which has been sitting at its seasonal location since it was delivered in 2017 and haven’t towed it yet.I was a little worried with it only being a 2500 that I might be better off with a Duly.My last camper prior to getting the 5th whee was a 36’ bumper pull which we towed with a 2012 Ram 2500 slt with just the Hemi.It towed it fine locally here on the east coast mainly because it’s flat here.
The Ram I have now is a Tradesman and not a 100 percent sure if I’d be fine with towing the 12,000 5th wheel
You don’t go off the payload or pin weight. You go by axle weight and he just said 6k so you are super good. My trailer is 3100 payload weight same truck but a 2018. I’ve been around the USA just fine it’s also a 44 ft toy hauler and 14 ft y’all
How about the HO version of the Cummins --- is it worth it?
It is, only available in the 1ton though 👍🏾
The HO is actually a trick. What actually matters is the AISIN. The chassis cabs actually have less power than the STANDARD Cummins even, but the AISIN, and can obviously pull more than a 3500.
I love the black, I'm supposed to go and look at the same but a 3500, on the 2500 I've been there done that for my setup it's going to be a 1 ton. Awesome video I love all of your post, I have gone way back to look at some of your older video and it have been very helpful. As far as the route I'm using a Garmin 850, but it would have been nice if dodge would have added that feature.
Me too, I just hate cleaning it! When I bought my 2018 RAM 2500, I had no clue about hitch weight, GVWR, or payload, I just made sure I had enough towing capacity. Thanks for sharing and good luck with your search 👍🏾
That trailer needs to be pulled with a 3500 for sure. I promise you you will overload that 2500.
So folks buy what you want gas or deisel. This truck would be fine, ordered with the option rear end and leaf spring package. The hemi means nothing. The conversation goes either way on that. The truck also needs air bags for this size 5th. Nothing will alter that in terms of safety.
Do you think the 68RFE will live ? For a a few years
I haven’t heard of people having major issues with 👍🏾
This 👆🏾
I beleive for 21' they got a better valve body which was a major issue on em with leaking and bleeding off line pressure, and they got better tuning as well. The 68rfe has small 5th and 6th gear clutches and low line pressure as well as a weak case so its kind of just a weak design overall but aftermarket tuning and valve body to run higher line pressure has save em.
i know im probally late , a 1 ton or 3500 would be needed for that rig diesel if you wanted to travel with ease .
We order my 2022 ram 3500 dually want get it until March
My ram has that back up system, I got all the Bales and whistles,I live almost in truck .
Did you order in December?
@@JB_WhoWork yes Dec2
Another great review - thanks for the good and the bad 🍻
Thanks brother 🤝
I love my 18 ram 2500 mega cab but every 5th wheel I looked at put me way over on payload!
There are many "150 towable" 5th wheel trailers, but really, they're better towed by a 2500 diesel for sure.
My philosophy is "always get more truck than you think you will need."
I dont get how a lot of these new F250 and 2500s are just going DOWN in payload capacity. My 06 F250 diesel payload sticker is 3100lbs but new F250s are 2000lbs Crazy.
Is Night package going away?????
No just low supply on parts 👍🏾
Why is this RAM's payload so low? My 2021 F250 Tremor with PowerStroke had 2975lbs.
Your GVWR is 10800
On the 2500’s for RAM they use coil springs and not leaf springs.
That’s wild, that’s lower than HDPP f150’s.
My mega cab Laramie hemi has 2500 lbs payload. The Cummins is payload limited. Don’t like the air ride in NY. Ice messes with the sensors. 4.10 gears put me up to 16 k towing.
Good stuff 👍🏾
The rig is looking good! A black one ton would look great in front of it lol
Thanks bro! Black looks tough in front of the black/tan Cougars 👍🏾
Looks good to me. Send it!
Insane that. 2500 only has 2000 lbs of payload. That’s only 300 lbs more than a Ford Ranger.
Just because that’s the “rating” that doesn’t mean that’s what it can safely hold. Doesn’t it seem weird that 2500 payloads have been decreasing every year while 3500 payloads have increased by thousands of pounds? It’s because Dodge wants to avoid their 2500 being a “commercial vehicle” in some states by having too high of a payload. They make it artificially low to keep it out of the commercial vehicle class and subject to extra registration fees and DOT regulations
Good video buddy
Maybe looks different in person but I don’t see any squat.
I have the same exact truck pulling a 30’ Grand Design 5th wheel. This was our first 5th wheel, and my wife and I have already outgrown it. I want to trade in the GD for something bigger. Can someone, anyone, tell me if I can safely tow a 37-40’ 5th wheel with the same truck as in the video?
Fischize, I had to trade-in my 2022 2500 Longhorn diesel because it will not handle our 40" 5th wheel camper. That trade-in hurt. JB showed a great spreadsheet to convince yourself. When I weighed my truck with me, a full tank of fuel, the hitch and some tools, I was at 9150#. That only leaves 850# for tongue weight, family, and equipment. No 40' 5th wheel is going to be under that.
A hemi hauling a 5th wheel 😂😂😂
The Cummings will do just fine still has plenty of room for “squatting”.
The air suspension reduces the load capacity........
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@@JB_WhoWork auto level air in a 2500 reduces the truck load rating by a few hundred lbs. Load rating/cargo capacity.....whatever you call it.
I thought it would stay the same or increase since you are removing the coils which weigh a few pounds each 👍🏾
@@800PooDragon not true
@@JB_WhoWork you are right it helps i did my homework before I bought mine and it has factory airbags they designed it like that for a purpose and it cost a lil more
you said something about order while you still can, whats going on there?
Because of the shortages with parts, you aren’t able to order night edition on some trims. My friend just ordered one a couple days ago and had to get the sport package because night wasn’t available
@@JB_WhoWork was it a limited? Going to order on Monday. If you can’t get it on certain trims they need to remove it on the build your own website. I will be very upset if I can’t get it and will want to cancel my order and trade in
@@daviddemo7947 i hope so! Guess find out tomorrow!
@Acerage Living it was a Laramie Dually
Try to build a Laramie online with the tow tech package... You can't. No 360 or trailer side camera. Have to go big horn or limited. I called a dealer and he couldn't find it either. Wound up going Longhorn, still waiting.
Yea the shortages are frustrating for sure, I decided to hold off on buying anything until the next generation RAM HD comes out 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork your videos helped convince me to bump up to a 3500 mega cab. Now that u connect 5 can update OTA, I felt comfortable pulling the trigger. That and my 2500 trade in is worth what I paid last year.
Only time you'll know it's back there is when those admission start screwing up
The air suspension on rams are horrible. I do like that it levels out but it does not take the Weight of a trailer going down the road.
First time I’ve heard this, I’ve towed with a ram 2500 air suspension and thought it handled the weight like a Dually 🤷♂️
@@JB_WhoWork
I pulled my stock trailer my 1/2 ton truck I didn’t know it was back there I felt the trailer push down on me empty on my ram 2500. And I pulled my hay baler it controlled me more
They just need to work on the suspension make a little stronger
My experience is different. My '19 3500 has the air suspension and I love it. It handles the weight fantastic whether it be a full dump trailer or RV. With trailer, it rides soooooo much better than my '16 GMC Denali did.
No Hemi... I've had both and I have a Cummins and not going back.
Care to elaborate
@@JB_WhoWork Of course, I had a 2015 tradesman crew cab 4x4 and I loved the power that 6.4 had. I didn't like 5.2 mpg when pulling 8, 9 and 10% grades here in Arizona mountains. I also didn't like 3800 rpm it took to get up those 10 mile long hills.
I kept that truck only 14 months. Resale wasn't the best either.
I traded it for my 2016 Ram 2500 Crew cab 4x4 Cummins and there's no comparison. I love that truck. It's got 100k miles on it now and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. It's also a tradesman but I've had katskin leather interior done and a couple other little add on things. I pull a 2017 chaparral 35' fifth wheel.
Send me an email address and I'll share a couple pictures
Thanks for sharing this, if you share your email I can delete it 👍🏾
What fuel mileage are you getting pulling that 5er?
It depends but on average about 9-11 mpg. If I’m climbing grades 8.5-9 MPG but if I’m crushing at 69 MPH on flat roads I can easily get 10.5-11 MPG.
@@JB_WhoWork I got tired of stopping so often for fuel so I got a Titan 52 gallon replacement tank.
@@JB_WhoWork that's terrible after delete and tune I'm getting 17 to 19 pulling a 13.8k trailer. 22mpg empty at 85mph. My average speed is 80 loaded.
@Colby Roddam yea I thought about deleting but not taking chances on warranty since this was first year of updates. Next truck I probably won’t care as much 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork you buy spare ecm swap out time is 5mins they can't tell you tuned when you take in for warranty work.
Get the gas motor and your payload is just fine
Been watching your videos for a few months now, just subscribed, your channel is awesome and full of real world facts and data from your own experience and knowledge. Awesome job man, thank you for making these informed vids for us. I have a 2022 Ram 3500 DRW and a 2022 Ram 2500 Cummins. Love them both, I also have a Keystone but it's a Montana 3921FB, 41 foot, that's why I bought the dually, I use the 2500 to tow our dump trailers and bigger enclosed trailers. I'm guessing I could beef up the suspension on my 2500 to tow the 5er but man, once you tow with a dually........................... I was wondering how you like your goosebox? I've thought about converting my pinbox but have read some interesting things about doing it and not doing it.
Thanks Greg, it’s great to have a 3/4 ton for the smaller jobs for sure! We were in the market for a Montana HC but I decided against it since I think I would need a dually to be within the Payload.
The Reese goosebox is amazing, I can’t see myself using any other hitch and the good news is it doesn’t void the factory frame warranty 👍🏾
Garmin work perfectly for routing
Good video
Thanks 👍🏾
Nice video. Good demonstration of how the payload really limits the towing capacity, especially for fifth wheels. I don’t think even a Chevy 2500 would work in that situation though. It would be close.
Side note, remember the truck I told you about ordering back when mine was down with lifters? Well we have agreed to terms on it and I’m now just waiting for it to come in. It was showing an ETA of 12/15 so I’m really hoping it comes before the end of the year.
Thanks bro, if it has at least 3300#’s it would be fine as long as you only have 2 people in the truck with nothing heavy in the bed.
Are you gonna lemon law the 1500? Hope all goes well and you get the truck delivered this year! Did you go gas truck?
@@JB_WhoWork no just trading it. They are doing me good on trade and giving me GM Supplier on the new one.
Yes it’s a gas truck. I’ll send you the build sheet and window sticker when I get it. Hopefully it comes within two weeks from today.
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That trailer is too much for this truck. Just the trailer alone passes the tongue with out knowing what the propane adds to that weight or how many occupants. Wrong truck....The power mirrors are nice, but I think the Ford and GMC mirrors are better. I like your spread sheet, those numbers make sense now. thanks and good job on the vid.
Thanks Paul 👍🏾
A bit off topic... You really look like Phife from A Tribe Called Quest and you also sound alot like him. Great review btw, haha!
Haha thanks 👍🏾
The Ram website has a tool to tell you what your truck can tow. It shows different ratings for all the Ram trucks. You should use it before buying either a new truck or a new trailer. Make sure you have enough truck for the trailer you want to tow. You should really do your homework before you buy. Just saying.
Wow, that Ram has weak payload numbers very sad.
Ah I was wondering about that. GAWR Rear 6040 lb, my Ram 3500 SRW has a 7000 lb Rear. Same front though. My GVWR is 11800 lbs. PSI on the rear of the 2500 is lower as well. Yep.. go for a 1 Ton, 2500's are for Power Wagon boys.
2500 is perfect for lifting and hauling long TT 👍🏾
7500 lb airbags and Stable loads. Solid as can be.
I've found that tires are the weak link when hauling weight. I've spent thousands to come to the conclusion that you MUST check the individual weight rating for each tire.
My toyhauler is 18k loaded pull it with 17 f250. Through the mountains like nothing.
U answered my question. I have the same truck but traded my camper in and I went from 13,000lbs to 14,500lbs dry weight.
Yea a 3500 Ram would be more safe with that large of a fifth wheel .
Your trailer weighs about 11,800 empty by my math.
Its funny my wifes grand Cherokee is so soft and it has a 1500lbs payload capacity and my 2017 f250 powerstroke has 2100lbs payload capacity. 😂 Makes no sense
I PUNCHED the Like button & now my screen is broke.
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The axles are rated for better than 12k, the 10k gvwr is licensing bs, so bag it and send it....👍🏻
Hey JB. Looks like someone spilled the DEF on the side of that truck. I have that Pearl Black midnight 3500 Limited HO mega cab with air suspension. I believe my payload is 3792. That truck does look good in front of your rig. Love the videos.
Thats all the payload the 3500 have
@@gardnetbush9768 no. Just high trim packages have lower payloads from what I understand.
@@DavidBrown-jt7yi oh ok thanks my 2500 has 3100 that why I ask and it is a gasser so I guess that makes a difference but I do want to pull the trigger on a 3500
Yea looks like someone new was filling it lol. That’s a nice rig and you have 43#’s more payload than my non air suspension truck lol! Thanks bro 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork haha. That trailer sure looked good after that wash and wax. Hopefully your camping goes great.
Hmm a 20:00 minute quick video.
Dont Dodge trucks have crappy transmissions
Don't tow at night, you'll blind on coming traffic.
Half of the video was trying to back that dam thing!!!
or get a 3500 single tire
Best 2500 you can buy. To bad it’s only 370 hp
All they need to do is raise the GVWR a few hundred pounds
Worst transmission, lowest power, least payload, oldest cab with the least amount of space.
What exactly makes this the best 2500 besides your opinion?
@@satansleftnut25 CUMMINS. MR. SATAN
@@LoneWolf-cf5tp if that’s the only reason you have I beg you to go drive the competition’s diesels.
@@satansleftnut25 I have. I’ve owned 2 fords , 7 rams but no chevys but I’ve drove a couple. They’re faster but I’d rather have Cummins because I do most of the work on my trucks and know the Rams real good because they are not perfect , I will admit.
Too many people pull these trailers with the 2500 and yes that Cummins engine will tow it very easy but you are for sure over weight.
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Awesome video. Hit me up if you're down south, have a 21 ram 3500 w/ air suspension
What’s your email?