yep , broke into a package of Ramen noodles recently that went off and were bad.. but by experimenting, we found out old expired ramen noodles make great fire starters... leave nothing to waste.
I love living life lessons from others mistakes. Thanks for humble demonstration of the need for accurate labeling. Didn't think I needed to know what horrors could await inside expired cans, now I know.
Better than commercially canned fat-free evaporated milk is to bulk-buy fat-free powdered milk and then package it yourself in Mylar with oxy absorbers -- if length of storage is your goal. I would use the gallon size Mylar bags and then put the labeled packages of powdered milk into 5-gallon food buckets to protect the Mylar bags from getting punctured. Yes, you can just buy some of those big 6-gallon pails of dried milk from a food storage company, if cost is not an issue, but I would open and inspect those pails and make sure the contents of each pail were in a Mylar bag (some companies just dump dried food in a bucket with one or two oxy absorbers and claim the food will be good for 20 or 25 years).
If you have room for the storage I'd buy several rolling shelf units. If you have them set out from the wall where you can get behind them it's easy to put the cans on the shelf pushing them forward as you use the older cans up. A four foot wide, six foot tall unit will hold hundreds of cans in rows a dozen cans deep and two or three cans high per shelf. No wasted space and all cans are easy to see and access. Plus insects have a hard time hiding anywhere on the steel shelves.
mormons are genius's when it comes to food storage. its not even mandatory or anything, they just like being prepared the same way all of the preppers do for hard times. i wish more people around the world had pantries and food storage... then we wouldnt have to worry about crazy people starving and trying to steal our own storage
I've had the regular evaporated milk (Carnation) cans turn bad in 6 months. This has proven to be a repeatable result. For this reason I've stopped storing evaporated milk at all. Too much waste, IMO. YMMV
Respectfully, I doubt that milk is bad. Canned milk does change color over time. It can look disgusting. It also changes texture. The regular (not fat-free) gets very clumpy and looks gross. I'm using canned milk that's 8 years old and it's perfectly fine. Milk was one of the first foods ever canned. Sweetened condensed milk was first used in WWII. Some cans have been found in the last few years and they're still good. Just check it before you throw it all out. You can put a swig of it in your mouth, without swallowing it and know right away if it's bad. And just as a caveat...if I were purchasing food for a scenario that might involve me not being able to get to the grocery store for a very long time, I'd never purchase low-fat or fat-free food. You're going to want the fat. (Besides which, the fat in milk products is what makes it digestible. When we went to no fat/low fat, everyone became lactose intolerant. There's a reason for that.)
I agree with you, katzcradul, as long as it stays sealed, it will be good. I bet he got some dents when one can rolled into another leading to microscopic hole(s) allowing air in.
Something I have noticed looking through the comments is that a lot of people are talking about this food or that food going bad. Remember, there is a difference in the food "just going bad" versus the integrity of the cans going bad. I've opened two cans of canned corn that weren't that old and the outsides of the cans looked fine, but one can was dry. I couldn't see the problem, but obviously there was an issue with the seal. Sometimes stuff happens :)
yeah, i made that mistake when i was making fudge, i spent some hours throwing out stuff. I can't have milk anymore anyways but powdered milk is good for emergency
Thank you Sir. I very much appreciate the information. I must say that my whole family needs to ramp up the prepping. We have got lazy for a time , but things are NOT getting any better. Nor will they. May the Lord whom you serve keep you AND your family till HE comes. Amen!!
Commercially canned foods should retain their best quality until the expiration code date on the can. This date is usually 2-5 years from the manufacture date. High acid foods usually have a shorter shelf life than low acid foods. extension.usu.edu/foodstorage/htm/canned-goods
Love your videos! I found the same thing. My canned fat free milk only stores for 15 months to two years before going bad. It"s definitely important to sample the length of the true shelf life periodically so you don't lose that particular batch. Here"s a tip I think you like: raw eggs in the shell can store unrefrigerated at least 6 months when coated with vaseline.
I just found your channel...I.m a fellow prepper lol xx I store mine under my bed...in really big drawers and store my bedding elsewhere. ..it.s cool and dark...I have a good stock so far ..great channel by the way ")
I commented on a past video that sometimes you can't depend on your stored food preps being any good. I opened a bucket of oatmeal that was suppose to have a 30yr shelf life that was only 5 yrs old and it was solid mold. Now I worry about every bucket I have in the pantry
unfortunately Ive found that 10% of cans stored in a dry house cupboard (the house wasn't a damp one) developed rust. A couple rusted right through and a few others had surface rust and was dicoloured inside in the rust areas though the rust looking from the outside looked extremely surface and didn't look from outside as if it would of affected inside .. after 15-30 years. So even that isn't full proof, you need to inspect your cans every couple of years.
Aries37, you said the oatmeal was in buckets. Does that mean plastic bins with lids? I would use either mylar bags with 02 absorbers or dry can. I dry can beans, rice and oatmeal. It's easy to do and there are plenty of youtube videos on that.
Pastor Joe, the "use by" date is usually printed on the can itself, not the label...usually on the top of the can or on the bottom of the can. Often times it may look like a code, but is the date numbers without the slashes or dashes. Often times they are easy to distinguish as dates. They are not dates of when they were made but expiration dates instead. But sometimes cans have no expiration date on them. I bought several cases of vegetables that were on sale a couple of years ago. The date on them is in the fall of 2017. I will be dehydrating the remainder of them and vacuum sealing them before then to extend the shelf life even further. Its best not to use milk or meat products past the expiration dates. Fruits and vegetables are often okay as long as the can isn't puffed out and still looks like it is still vacuum sealed okay, and the product still looks fresh. I wouldn't use them though if they're too far out of date. Hope this info is useful to y'all. Shalom.
Sand Angels Question ,,, what is the difference between, ( use by ) and (bad by)? And could the ( use by ) be a tool to get people to buy more? I know of people that through out things that are outdated by one day. That being said,, I also know people that save all their leftovers, and let them rot in their fridge. I just opened a can of apple sause that I made 16 yrs ago, and it was just fine. Yes... bad is bad,,, and good is good... the label on the can is no doubt a liability disclaimer. .. And not an absolute indicator of (bad by) date...
Thanks PJF, When you send your videos,I have an automatic audio sound track with various openings on it in MY HEAD that plays. Here's the "Gracie breakdown" on 1 of them, Huge drum beats: "BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM" Loud,gaseous,eruption: "FLA-WAMMMNN-FUSHHHHHhhhhhh" Crushing,exhaustive impact: "CRAAAA-ISHHHHHHhhh-STEEEECHKKKKKkkkk" Just an example. No animals or humans were harmed in the making of these sound effects.However some of chickens and a Walker hound were "rattled" slightly.
Now I'm afraid to go look! I did find some bean that I stored in 2000 and even though they were stored in Mylar with O2 absorbers,they wouldn't cook up soft enough to eat. Glad I found that out now.
exploration date is at the bottom of the ca. if you write a date at the top, write the exploration date , not the date you bought them. that way you know to use them in time
At least for survival, maybe store the dried powder mix for milk? I know it's not very good, but could be used with certain condensed soups instead of straight water.
Good to know. I bought canned vegetables around 2005 that I misplaced and forgotten. I found them about a year ago and ate them. They were still OK. I know how old they were because I moved at that time and they were in packed boxes. Oh, btw. I put some lima beans in mason jars and vacuum sealed them with my Foodsaver. That was 2005 also. I ate some of those and they were as good as the day I stored them.
Hey Joe, Where you going with that gun in your hand. LOL No really, check into how the Mormons stock up. A few years ago, I was into backpacking lightweight. And a fellow hiker and Mormon, posted a systematic plan of how they store food. The storeroom had enough food for a family of 4 for 5 years. Subscribed. Happy Thanksgiving.
Ok, I had the same adventure with the carnation sweetened milk. However, plain evaporated milk doesn't seem to do this. I had both for about the same amount of time and only the sweetened went bad. So, I recommend buying plain evaporated milk and adding the sugar when you get ready to use it. Just my experience.
Thank you Pastor Joe... Words to live by... My money's on those cans being 16 yrs old (they might make good bait)... God's Grace to you and your Family Sir... Happy Thanksgiving...
If you shake up the milk before you open it, it will look different.. The label on the can says to shake well.. You can even stir it after opening.. I don't know the shelf life as I haven't tried it.. following directions will make it usable far longer..
canned food has been found from ships sank in 1850's, brought up a hundred years later, studied by scientists, still edible, no spoilage, canned food will last beyond our life times....
If my canned preps get close to a year (or sooner) past the "Best Buy" date I pressure can it so I don't loose it! Learned my lesson a couple of years ago with diced tomatoes .. 5- #10 cans no less! Hope your Thanksgiving Day Celebration is a wonderful day! (No oops-ies - cuz they tend to show up when you -*-least-*- want them to ... frozen pipes, clogged toilets, 6 relatives from out of state unexpectedly showing up, etc. - lol.)
you made caramel.reality is that there are things that just don't store well for decades. tomato paste tends to eat through the cans in five years or so, ask me how I know. hope you all have a great pie day. May it be filled with blessings
I found a box of banana pudding in my "Cockroach shelf-life" bucket (ie, foods that might last longer than I do) that had an expiration date of 1997. It still worked as pudding, and I'm still alive, but I had to go through and replace a few items in there.
Pastor, that is not a mess! Happy Thanksgiving! I would love to see how you all observe the commanded feasts at Shofar Mtn. I am clueless as to the preparation and traditional method apart from the way of the orthodox jew. I feel really great about ticking off family this year when I told them their pagan tidings of yule would not be accepted at my home, so they should save their money or donate it to a food closet or buy blankets for the homeless. Anyway, I hope to see some vids pertaining to the appointed feast dates. If you find time and everyone is well to do so. Many blessings to you and yours.
Store what you eat and eat what you store - but not all the time. Canned foods are great for emergencies, long term food storage and occasional use. But, fresh food is for daily use, unless there actually is an emergency.
As a first rate pie maker myself I can tell you that most evaporated milks will go down within a year of posted date. I pitched 6 cans yesterday for the same reason and it was 2015. You would think that making 12- 16 pies for 53 family members each holiday would keep your stock in check, however that's not always the case. Speaking of deserts I make the best cheesecake on this planet if your wife would like the recipe. Have a great holiday.
Like the storage shelves. lesson learned on the can milk, Milk is a hard think to store long term dry milk maybe but still you guys try your best. Hope the wife is healing well sounds like it if she is in the kitchen again making pies all day. Thanks for the info.
I'd really like to build those shelve. Most of my pantry is jars which are stored upright. I'm not sure about canning on a rocket stove. I need to try it. I wish I had an old school wood stove for cooking.
it was evaporated milk, not sweetened condensed milk, and the exp. date is on the metal ends of the can--it will tell you if it was closer to 2000, or closer to 2010. great video. thanks!
Hi, good video, 1st time sub here, nice setup you got there, I like the shelving, also I thought I saw a label on that milk that said “Tang” Lol... looks bad, I would not want that in my Pie, thanks for sharing
I just learned that lesson a few weeks ago with evaporated milk stored in an underground cellar ( cool, dry, 60degrees) My less than three year old cans busted...a mess. Guess evap milk is not very storable :( I have some more stored in another location that's not easily accessible to check on...I had hoped for a 4/5 yr shelf life.. :(
The American Survival Guide Vol.6 Issue.1 had a good article on this same subject some foods keep better than others and the expiration date is on the top or bottom of the can. have a good day
I look at it this way.. even though I would not eat a pie made with that stuff.. ... still, the fact is... it isn't a total loss because we had access to that food for a number of 'good' years. IF there HAD BEEN a pandemic, a personal family crisis, or God knows what, we and our family, and neighbors... would not have starved. One could consider that food as an insurance policy. You payed for it, you didn't need it, some of it spoiled .. which is too bad, but at least you didn't HAVE TO use it. People have always put things aside for Winter.. short term storage makes sense. It's the extremes... of trying to save certain foods for over 5 years .. that we might need to re-visit.
you can't pour sweetened condensed milk. THAT stuff is thicker than honey. what you have there is a can of evaporated milk. also you see it's "fat free". I've been told that when they take the fat out they use coconut or palm oil. that's what ages and turns yellow. personally I wouldn't store fat free anything because of that reason. a regular can of evap. milk will age a bit but not look that much like bilge water lol And yes rotating stock is tricky. growing up LDS we have food shoved everywhere. mom always took a sharpie and wrote the purchase date in the top of the can. over the UPC code if it's a box and that end goes out on the pantry shelves. since that can you had didn't have a date you can put a date 2 or 3 years down the road when you buy it to be consistent. depending on if you have a 1,2 or 3 year supply of food. Over the years we have pulled food that is 1-2 or even 7 years past the exp date. we discovered we were rotating according to what we bought and not by expiration date. so we switched tachs. we now put the expiration date on the can or box. then we rotate food by THAT date or it gets pulled and sat on the counter to be put in the menu asap. no more 5 yo cans popping up!
Yeah. of everything I've stored and then opened after the expiration day to test out, my worst experiment was with condensed milk. Opened a couple cans 1 year after expiration and it was gross. Condensed milk is a Use it or Lose It item.
You showed evaporated milk, and when you poured it, said sweetened condensed milk. Either way, it's bad, but which milk did you want it to be? SCM can carmelize, yet still be good. How did that milk smell? Maybe it was from the can??? That's why I bought a freeze dryer! Also, FIFO can racks are great, but that one isn't. Front loading ones are much better, load from the same spot you take from, not 10 feet away.
anything with tomato in it in a can should be tossed after 18 months. the acid from tomatoes will eat through the can. Anyway the 18 month rule is FDA guideline. From what I understand egg and milk products even prepped as freeze dried have a shorter lifespan anyway. something like 5 years....so I'm wondering about tin canned milk & egg product too.
Learn to make kefir from whole milk. I have kefir grains that are over 4yrs old. Milk will get sour but after a while it tastes great. Needs no refrigerator. I do keep mine in fridge cause I don’t use it up fast enough. This is the way the nomadic Tibetan peeps store milk. Check it out.
The same thing happened to me this Thanksgiving. I've learned some products just don't last as well ...The positive thing was nobody noticed the powdered milk ! Lol
Great can rotator I was just talking to Sargent Badass about building one these I like your design Better than the one I had in my head now I have a even better one in my head combination of the two lol q;-)
Have you ever found that most of the food was eaten by bugs 🐛 in the can? I saw a comment recently, and she said she doesn’t know how the bugs got inside!
you don't need to use evaporated milk for pies especially pumpkin or sweet potato. you can use regular milk. I only use regular milk in mine. I don't even follow directions any more. can of pumpkin, 2 eggs, enough milk to make a thick custard, vanilla, cinnamon, cloves, ginger, and nutmeg....oy can't forget the sweetener. pies are awesome. my sister only likes my pumpkin pies. I don't scimp on the seasonings.
Amy Miner well.... the evap. milk has a distinctive taste the people like. like when I'm cooking with fresh onions I still sprinkle dried onion flakes for the flavor. but! the reason for the evap. milk is because this is a Prepper channel by a Prepper. canned milk is a must if you don't want to put water on your corn flakes. I copied your pie recipe for the punkin pie, I'll make er up for Christmas 🎄
Chet's Jug hey yeah I realize it's a prepper channel. I just thought that maybe if they used real milk or dry milk more frequently this would be a better option. I personally cannot have milk. allergies. so if anyone has ideas for nonmilk storage, I would be grateful.
Amy Miner hmm, is it's lactose thing,,? you'll have to do your homework but if I'm not mistaken nonfat powdered milk in the big bag, is lactose free. or low enough not to bother most ppl. growing up LDS I had an uncle lactose intolerant but he could drink the powdered milk or eat meals cooked with it.
Chet's Jug it's a new thing for me. I have become gluten and lactose intolerant. I can't even have the stuff in my soaps and lotions. if it even has a tiny bit, I react to it. even some of the "gluten free" stuff I react to. the only thing dairy I can handle is butter. It about killed me to give up cheese. I will have to look into powdered milk.
Amy Miner Hard cheese is lactose free such as cheddar. I have intense pain if I get any lactose so it was heaven when I found out about this. Also I have a friend who can't do gluten and she discovered that you can't believe all of the gluten free labels. She only trusts a few brands and reads ingredients consistently.
Most all modern canned foods, if uncompromised integrity is in place, will last 25yrs or more depending on the food. Dairy items are an exception but most importantly be sure there is no gaspressure build up or violations of the sealed can. Rust, pin holes, etc. Dents are fine if they aren't sharply creased. Don't let the food companies fool you!!
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yep , broke into a package of Ramen noodles recently that went off and were bad.. but by experimenting, we found out old expired ramen noodles make great fire starters... leave nothing to waste.
ramen noodles are not food
Is it ok to store rice and beans in my attic? Its very hot up there, im in Texas. Any advice works thanks...
Ramen noodles are AWESOME mouse bait too!
@@samnelson4975 Maybe not, but I survived on em for my entire time in college. Well, Rice a Roni too.
I’m guessing the wax coating?
I love living life lessons from others mistakes. Thanks for humble demonstration of the need for accurate labeling. Didn't think I needed to know what horrors could await inside expired cans, now I know.
Better than commercially canned fat-free evaporated milk is to bulk-buy fat-free powdered milk and then package it yourself in Mylar with oxy absorbers -- if length of storage is your goal. I would use the gallon size Mylar bags and then put the labeled packages of powdered milk into 5-gallon food buckets to protect the Mylar bags from getting punctured. Yes, you can just buy some of those big 6-gallon pails of dried milk from a food storage company, if cost is not an issue, but I would open and inspect those pails and make sure the contents of each pail were in a Mylar bag (some companies just dump dried food in a bucket with one or two oxy absorbers and claim the food will be good for 20 or 25 years).
If you have room for the storage I'd buy several rolling shelf units. If you have them set out from the wall where you can get behind them it's easy to put the cans on the shelf pushing them forward as you use the older cans up. A four foot wide, six foot tall unit will hold hundreds of cans in rows a dozen cans deep and two or three cans high per shelf. No wasted space and all cans are easy to see and access. Plus insects have a hard time hiding anywhere on the steel shelves.
mormons are genius's when it comes to food storage. its not even mandatory or anything, they just like being prepared the same way all of the preppers do for hard times. i wish more people around the world had pantries and food storage... then we wouldnt have to worry about crazy people starving and trying to steal our own storage
UNSILENT ZONE food storage may not officially be mandatory for LDS but trust me you are STRONGLY encouraged to have it.
Pastor Joe, the exp. date is on the BOTTOM of the can....that is where most cans show the date....
Checked out your wife's page. She did exactly what my wife would have done. Praise God for wise wives. Subscribed to her page also. Keep it up pastor.
thank you for sharing and your honesty. lessons learned the hard way are learned longer
Thanks Pastor Joe. I saw Sister Kate's post just now, and she looks and sounds great, praise The Father! May y'all have a blessed holiday.
The problem is the fact that it's "fat free". I had some get like that after just a few years. I've never had a problem with the "regular" stuff.
watcherjohnny Thats what I was just thinking. Can't trust that "fat free" stuff....
+Sherry & Valentin Casares Indeed. That's why I've never trusted skinny women. :)
watcherjohnny Lol!
NONE of us should be eating ANY Fat free foods at all!!!
I've had the regular evaporated milk (Carnation) cans turn bad in 6 months. This has proven to be a repeatable result. For this reason I've stopped storing evaporated milk at all. Too much waste, IMO. YMMV
The remedy for this situation is obvious. Eat more pie!
Respectfully, I doubt that milk is bad. Canned milk does change color over time. It can look disgusting. It also changes texture. The regular (not fat-free) gets very clumpy and looks gross. I'm using canned milk that's 8 years old and it's perfectly fine. Milk was one of the first foods ever canned. Sweetened condensed milk was first used in WWII. Some cans have been found in the last few years and they're still good. Just check it before you throw it all out. You can put a swig of it in your mouth, without swallowing it and know right away if it's bad. And just as a caveat...if I were purchasing food for a scenario that might involve me not being able to get to the grocery store for a very long time, I'd never purchase low-fat or fat-free food. You're going to want the fat. (Besides which, the fat in milk products is what makes it digestible. When we went to no fat/low fat, everyone became lactose intolerant. There's a reason for that.)
I agree with you, katzcradul, as long as it stays sealed, it will be good. I bet he got some dents when one can rolled into another leading to microscopic hole(s) allowing air in.
Something I have noticed looking through the comments is that a lot of people are talking about this food or that food going bad. Remember, there is a difference in the food "just going bad" versus the integrity of the cans going bad. I've opened two cans of canned corn that weren't that old and the outsides of the cans looked fine, but one can was dry. I couldn't see the problem, but obviously there was an issue with the seal. Sometimes stuff happens :)
yeah, i made that mistake when i was making fudge, i spent some hours throwing out stuff. I can't have milk anymore anyways but powdered milk is good for emergency
RAW milk most CERTAINLY IS!!!
Thank you Sir. I very much appreciate the information. I must say that my whole family needs to ramp up the prepping. We have got lazy for a time , but things are NOT getting any better. Nor will they. May the Lord whom you serve keep you AND your family till HE comes. Amen!!
Commercially canned foods should retain their best quality until the expiration code date on the can. This date is usually 2-5 years from the manufacture date. High acid foods usually have a shorter shelf life than low acid foods.
extension.usu.edu/foodstorage/htm/canned-goods
Love your videos! I found the same thing. My canned fat free milk only stores for 15 months to two years before going bad. It"s definitely important to sample the length of the true shelf life periodically so you don't lose that particular batch. Here"s a tip I think you like: raw eggs in the shell can store unrefrigerated at least 6 months when coated with vaseline.
Glad to hear your wife is back in action. Thanks for the tips, God bless. Happy Thanksgiving
Love your vids PJ, keep 'em coming brother....
Thank you for sharing this. It's an excellent reminder that we need to periodically check our pantry. You've just earned a subscriber.
Funkiest darn pastor around rockin the flat cap and iron cross hoodie , me you same same haha .
I just found your channel...I.m a fellow prepper lol xx I store mine under my bed...in really big drawers and store my bedding elsewhere. ..it.s cool and dark...I have a good stock so far ..great channel by the way ")
Pastor Joe happy today n everyday!Thanks for all of your advice n tips. God bless n prayers for continued good health, all the best.
Yup. Storage life for Fat Free evaporated milk is 1 year... Not a long term prepping commodity.
Pjf glad to see that your wife is doing better!!!! Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family God bless you brother !and FYI my favorite is pecan pie
Great Point! Thank You! Happy Thanksgiving to You and Yours!
I commented on a past video that sometimes you can't depend on your stored food preps being any good. I opened a bucket of oatmeal that was suppose to have a 30yr shelf life that was only 5 yrs old and it was solid mold. Now I worry about every bucket I have in the pantry
Was this stored in mylar bags with an O2 absorber?
Sure would like to have a root cellar ...ain't gonna have one on my rental property....
unfortunately Ive found that 10% of cans stored in a dry house cupboard (the house wasn't a damp one) developed rust. A couple rusted right through and a few others had surface rust and was dicoloured inside in the rust areas though the rust looking from the outside looked extremely surface and didn't look from outside as if it would of affected inside .. after 15-30 years. So even that isn't full proof, you need to inspect your cans every couple of years.
Aries37, you said the oatmeal was in buckets. Does that mean plastic bins with lids? I would use either mylar bags with 02 absorbers or dry can. I dry can beans, rice and oatmeal. It's easy to do and there are plenty of youtube videos on that.
Yuuuuuuum! Pie Day, that would be my favorite day! Thanks for the videos and I hope y'all have a great Thanksgiving.
All your videos are super! I pray your wife is healing well.
sorry to tell you...praying doesnt work
maybe not for you, but for those who believe it sure does :)
amen ... JOHN SULLIVAN
phrozen17 I pray that you will come to know God in His grace, kindness, and merciful kindness.
Pastor Joe, the "use by" date is usually printed on the can itself, not the label...usually on the top of the can or on the bottom of the can. Often times it may look like a code, but is the date numbers without the slashes or dashes. Often times they are easy to distinguish as dates. They are not dates of when they were made but expiration dates instead. But sometimes cans have no expiration date on them. I bought several cases of vegetables that were on sale a couple of years ago. The date on them is in the fall of 2017. I will be dehydrating the remainder of them and vacuum sealing them before then to extend the shelf life even further. Its best not to use milk or meat products past the expiration dates. Fruits and vegetables are often okay as long as the can isn't puffed out and still looks like it is still vacuum sealed okay, and the product still looks fresh. I wouldn't use them though if they're too far out of date. Hope this info is useful to y'all. Shalom.
Sand Angels
Question ,,, what is the difference between, ( use by ) and (bad by)?
And could the ( use by ) be a tool to get people to buy more?
I know of people that through out things that are outdated by one day.
That being said,, I also know people that save all their leftovers, and let them rot in their fridge.
I just opened a can of apple sause that I made 16 yrs ago, and it was just fine.
Yes... bad is bad,,, and good is good... the label on the can is no doubt a liability disclaimer. .. And not an absolute indicator of (bad by) date...
I freaking love this shelf loading idea! Such a pain to rotate stuff back to front all the time... I am going to definity work on this!
We have all made those mistakes so don't feel bad - it happens to the best of us.
Thanks PJF,
When you send your videos,I have an automatic audio sound track with various openings on it in MY HEAD that plays.
Here's the "Gracie breakdown" on 1 of them,
Huge drum beats: "BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM"
Loud,gaseous,eruption: "FLA-WAMMMNN-FUSHHHHHhhhhhh"
Crushing,exhaustive impact: "CRAAAA-ISHHHHHHhhh-STEEEECHKKKKKkkkk"
Just an example.
No animals or humans were harmed in the making of these sound effects.However some of chickens and a Walker hound were "rattled" slightly.
Now I'm afraid to go look! I did find some bean that I stored in 2000 and even though they were stored in Mylar with O2 absorbers,they wouldn't cook up soft enough to eat. Glad I found that out now.
BCtruck, rebuild, repair,repurpose I would say 16 years in mylar bags with o2 absorbers is a stretch anyways.
exploration date is at the bottom of the ca. if you write a date at the top, write the exploration date , not the date you bought them. that way you know to use them in time
At least for survival, maybe store the dried powder mix for milk? I know it's not very good, but could be used with certain condensed soups instead of straight water.
I was surprised that you found anything in that can
you know after all ..... it is evaporated
😂😂😂
we all make those same mistakes Pastor Joe! That is why we are human. But a good lesson learned. Thanks for the good advice.
Good to know. I bought canned vegetables around 2005 that I misplaced and forgotten. I found them about a year ago and ate them. They were still OK. I know how old they were because I moved at that time and they were in packed boxes. Oh, btw. I put some lima beans in mason jars and vacuum sealed them with my Foodsaver. That was 2005 also. I ate some of those and they were as good as the day I stored them.
Hey Joe, Where you going with that gun in your hand. LOL No really, check into how the Mormons stock up.
A few years ago, I was into backpacking lightweight. And a fellow hiker and Mormon, posted a systematic plan of how they store food.
The storeroom had enough food for a family of 4 for 5 years. Subscribed. Happy Thanksgiving.
Ok, I had the same adventure with the carnation sweetened milk. However, plain evaporated milk doesn't seem to do this. I had both for about the same amount of time and only the sweetened went bad. So, I recommend buying plain evaporated milk and adding the sugar when you get ready to use it. Just my experience.
Genius! First thought was shelves broke from being overloaded or something. Did you come up with this idea? Looking forward to more video's. God bless
He said he got it from the preparedness book printed by the LDS church
I'm not LDS but truth be told, they are very knowledgable about prepping. I often consult their website.
Sorry, forgot ask - how does that shelf catch a mouse:) much love to everyone, happy thanks giving!
Thank you Pastor Joe... Words to live by... My money's on those cans being 16 yrs old (they might make good bait)... God's Grace to you and your Family Sir... Happy Thanksgiving...
Have the same thing happen. But don't throw them away, you could pour it over chicken food and they love it
If you shake up the milk before you open it, it will look different.. The label on the can says to shake well.. You can even stir it after opening.. I don't know the shelf life as I haven't tried it.. following directions will make it usable far longer..
It's a hard lesson to learn. But your not alone in learning it.
canned food has been found from ships sank in 1850's, brought up a hundred years later, studied by scientists, still edible, no spoilage, canned food will last beyond our life times....
If my canned preps get close to a year (or sooner) past the "Best Buy" date I pressure can it so I don't loose it! Learned my lesson a couple of years ago with diced tomatoes .. 5- #10 cans no less!
Hope your Thanksgiving Day Celebration is a wonderful day!
(No oops-ies - cuz they tend to show up when you -*-least-*- want them to ... frozen pipes, clogged toilets, 6 relatives from out of state unexpectedly showing up, etc. - lol.)
Looks like dulce de leche lol... Happy Thanksgiving! God bless you and your family :)
Hay bud, I will have to start a pie day with my wife , kids and grandchildren!
you made caramel.reality is that there are things that just don't store well for decades. tomato paste tends to eat through the cans in five years or so, ask me how I know.
hope you all have a great pie day. May it be filled with blessings
j johns The acids in tomatoes and fruit will eat thru the can js
thanks for video always like your video and I am very glad your wife is doing good happy thanksgiving and God bless
Ramen noodles can be kept in a smaller (quart or gallon size) with an oxy sorb then seal the bag. Mark the bag!
I found a box of banana pudding in my "Cockroach shelf-life" bucket (ie, foods that might last longer than I do) that had an expiration date of 1997. It still worked as pudding, and I'm still alive, but I had to go through and replace a few items in there.
Pastor, that is not a mess! Happy Thanksgiving! I would love to see how you all observe the commanded feasts at Shofar Mtn. I am clueless as to the preparation and traditional method apart from the way of the orthodox jew. I feel really great about ticking off family this year when I told them their pagan tidings of yule would not be accepted at my home, so they should save their money or donate it to a food closet or buy blankets for the homeless. Anyway, I hope to see some vids pertaining to the appointed feast dates. If you find time and everyone is well to do so. Many blessings to you and yours.
Made this same discovery myself. Canned milks are the only commercial item I've found that seriously means its expiration date!
Store what you eat and eat what you store - but not all the time. Canned foods are great for emergencies, long term food storage and occasional use. But, fresh food is for daily use, unless there actually is an emergency.
perhaps it was a miracle and it turned into orange juice...take a big gulp and let us know! Lol...great advice as always. Love from the Motor City!
those shelves are kinda neat gives me a few ideas
And make sure it sucks air when you open it! If it doesn't don't trust it. And yeah when it looks like that? No....
Thanks for the heads up and great video! God bless you brother.
As a first rate pie maker myself I can tell you that most evaporated milks will go down within a year of posted date. I pitched 6 cans yesterday for the same reason and it was 2015. You would think that making 12- 16 pies for 53 family members each holiday would keep your stock in check, however that's not always the case. Speaking of deserts I make the best cheesecake on this planet if your wife would like the recipe. Have a great holiday.
Like the storage shelves. lesson learned on the can milk, Milk is a hard think to store long term dry milk maybe but still you guys try your best. Hope the wife is healing well sounds like it if she is in the kitchen again making pies all day. Thanks for the info.
Have A Very Happy and Blessed Thanksgiving Joe!
Thanks Much!
Hey Joe! Happy thanksgiving to you and yours! Hope wifey is getting better and has a great day:)
I'd really like to build those shelve. Most of my pantry is jars which are stored upright. I'm not sure about canning on a rocket stove. I need to try it. I wish I had an old school wood stove for cooking.
Cool idea how you did your shelves 💡
it was evaporated milk, not sweetened condensed milk, and the exp. date is on the metal ends of the can--it will tell you if it was closer to 2000, or closer to 2010. great video. thanks!
Hi, good video, 1st time sub here, nice setup you got there, I like the shelving, also I thought I saw a label on that milk that said “Tang” Lol... looks bad, I would not want that in my Pie, thanks for sharing
I just learned that lesson a few weeks ago with evaporated milk stored in an underground cellar ( cool, dry, 60degrees) My less than three year old cans busted...a mess. Guess evap milk is not very storable :( I have some more stored in another location that's not easily accessible to check on...I had hoped for a 4/5 yr shelf life.. :(
Shouldn't tin cans be place upwards instead of laying on the side? Tin cans are packaged in upwards and not laying on sides for a reason.
pastor joe I've been trying to contact your retreat for a few days now is there a link in the comments?
The American Survival Guide Vol.6 Issue.1 had a good article on this same subject some foods keep better than others and the expiration date is on the top or bottom of the can. have a good day
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours! Hope your Thanksgiving is "bueno"!
Mucho Gracias
VikingPreparedness Thank you!
just had the same happen here. luckily it was only a half dozen cans or so. guess we need to make pumpkin pie mor often. ;)
I look at it this way.. even though I would not eat a pie made with that stuff.. ... still, the fact is... it isn't a total loss because we had access to that food for a number of 'good' years.
IF there HAD BEEN a pandemic, a personal family crisis, or God knows what, we and our family, and neighbors... would not have starved.
One could consider that food as an insurance policy. You payed for it, you didn't need it, some of it spoiled .. which is too bad, but at least you didn't HAVE TO use it.
People have always put things aside for Winter.. short term storage makes sense. It's the extremes... of trying to save certain foods for over 5 years .. that we might need to re-visit.
you can't pour sweetened condensed milk. THAT stuff is thicker than honey. what you have there is a can of evaporated milk. also you see it's "fat free". I've been told that when they take the fat out they use coconut or palm oil. that's what ages and turns yellow. personally I wouldn't store fat free anything because of that reason. a regular can of evap. milk will age a bit but not look that much like bilge water lol
And yes rotating stock is tricky. growing up LDS we have food shoved everywhere. mom always took a sharpie and wrote the purchase date in the top of the can. over the UPC code if it's a box and that end goes out on the pantry shelves. since that can you had didn't have a date you can put a date 2 or 3 years down the road when you buy it to be consistent. depending on if you have a 1,2 or 3 year supply of food.
Over the years we have pulled food that is 1-2 or even 7 years past the exp date. we discovered we were rotating according to what we bought and not by expiration date. so we switched tachs. we now put the expiration date on the can or box. then we rotate food by THAT date or it gets pulled and sat on the counter to be put in the menu asap. no more 5 yo cans popping up!
cant do the canned stuff anymore since it made me sick. i grow my own fruit/veggies, and flash freeze it.
This video is awesome because everyone on Earth should think like this in one similar way, liked and sub'd to you man
Yeah. of everything I've stored and then opened after the expiration day to test out, my worst experiment was with condensed milk. Opened a couple cans 1 year after expiration and it was gross. Condensed milk is a Use it or Lose It item.
You showed evaporated milk, and when you poured it, said sweetened condensed milk. Either way, it's bad, but which milk did you want it to be? SCM can carmelize, yet still be good. How did that milk smell? Maybe it was from the can??? That's why I bought a freeze dryer! Also, FIFO can racks are great, but that one isn't. Front loading ones are much better, load from the same spot you take from, not 10 feet away.
anything with tomato in it in a can should be tossed after 18 months. the acid from tomatoes will eat through the can. Anyway the 18 month rule is FDA guideline. From what I understand egg and milk products even prepped as freeze dried have a shorter lifespan anyway. something like 5 years....so I'm wondering about tin canned milk & egg product too.
shelf life is more important than when it landed on the shelf ;)
Most cans have a best by date on the metal part(top or bottom), not on the label where you were looking...
Same experience. Canned milk and coconut milk went off in a few years. No good item to store.
Thanks for the good word, always willing to learn from mistakes whether mine or others'.
Learn to make kefir from whole milk. I have kefir grains that are over 4yrs old. Milk will get sour but after a while it tastes great. Needs no refrigerator. I do keep mine in fridge cause I don’t use it up fast enough. This is the way the nomadic Tibetan peeps store milk. Check it out.
The same thing happened to me this Thanksgiving. I've learned some products just don't last as well ...The positive thing was nobody noticed the powdered milk ! Lol
we made the same mistake. one thing tho. my wife dehydrated all the vegetables and made bird food out of it. the birds love it.
Great video, thanks for the heads up! I started out with rotation in mind because of this very thing!
Hmmm, would the same thing happen to dry milk?
It'll blend right in with the pumpkin! What's the problem? hahahahaha
Yea... Noooooo
Great can rotator I was just talking to Sargent Badass about building one these I like your design Better than the one I had in my head now I have a even better one in my head combination of the two lol q;-)
also. you must keep the food in the dark.Do it's cool, dry ,sealed and dark. thanks
Have you ever found that most of the food was eaten by bugs 🐛 in the can? I saw a comment recently, and she said she doesn’t know how the bugs got inside!
you don't need to use evaporated milk for pies especially pumpkin or sweet potato. you can use regular milk. I only use regular milk in mine. I don't even follow directions any more. can of pumpkin, 2 eggs, enough milk to make a thick custard, vanilla, cinnamon, cloves, ginger, and nutmeg....oy can't forget the sweetener. pies are awesome. my sister only likes my pumpkin pies. I don't scimp on the seasonings.
Amy Miner well.... the evap. milk has a distinctive taste the people like. like when I'm cooking with fresh onions I still sprinkle dried onion flakes for the flavor. but! the reason for the evap. milk is because this is a Prepper channel by a Prepper. canned milk is a must if you don't want to put water on your corn flakes. I copied your pie recipe for the punkin pie, I'll make er up for Christmas 🎄
Chet's Jug hey yeah I realize it's a prepper channel. I just thought that maybe if they used real milk or dry milk more frequently this would be a better option. I personally cannot have milk. allergies. so if anyone has ideas for nonmilk storage, I would be grateful.
Amy Miner hmm, is it's lactose thing,,? you'll have to do your homework but if I'm not mistaken nonfat powdered milk in the big bag, is lactose free. or low enough not to bother most ppl. growing up LDS I had an uncle lactose intolerant but he could drink the powdered milk or eat meals cooked with it.
Chet's Jug it's a new thing for me. I have become gluten and lactose intolerant. I can't even have the stuff in my soaps and lotions. if it even has a tiny bit, I react to it. even some of the "gluten free" stuff I react to. the only thing dairy I can handle is butter. It about killed me to give up cheese. I will have to look into powdered milk.
Amy Miner Hard cheese is lactose free such as cheddar. I have intense pain if I get any lactose so it was heaven when I found out about this. Also I have a friend who can't do gluten and she discovered that you can't believe all of the gluten free labels. She only trusts a few brands and reads ingredients consistently.
great video as always I love your positive attitude keep it up god bless you
Most all modern canned foods, if uncompromised integrity is in place, will last 25yrs or more depending on the food. Dairy items are an exception but most importantly be sure there is no gaspressure build up or violations of the sealed can. Rust, pin holes, etc. Dents are fine if they aren't sharply creased. Don't let the food companies fool you!!