@@alexl5682 not entirely true, the problem with Terran late game aren't quite flexible compare to zerg (as they can produce any unit composition they want), as for Terran they have to either pick either mech or bio(for mech they are powerful but slow yet you can choose for fast move units but the micro on mech isn't easy… for me I miss my Gumiho how he smash soO in final GSL, as for bio you need to learn multiple prong harras or else your army would melt so easily. Although Marine is best and cheapest DPS unit in SC2. Not to mention bio required decent micro if you can split against baneling.). When comes to protoss late game usually is sky toss but sometimes they will go for acrhon Immortal in mid game to transition (or just try to end the game) since protoss in past few patches protons has nerf so much that the protoss death ball is almost no longer exists
Nearly a vintage from the previous century. I kind of disagree with Tasteless that it was quite last century, but I guess it could have been. Like Boxer did it in 02. I doubt it was done much before 00 but it's possible.
Mshojat i was doing it on ladder in 99 (this was dial up in us-east…) of course still losing games all the time. People did this kind of (bad) cheese all the time.
I have literally never cheesed like this in my life and don’t particularly enjoy playing against it, but for whatever reason I fucking love watching players way stronger than me do this shit
Every time I see a Solar highlight, I know he is about to get cheesed. My first memory of Solar is an old GSL where he played against Sorry, got proxied twice by one Barracks into Reapers, and him throwing his headphones in disgust.
Tell you a secrect SC2HL, i haven't even played SC2 for 10 years but i love watching your highlight videos because they're made very simple, very well done and very enjoyable
Hey, I know its was ages ago, but what happened to "top 5 plays" and "best of [year]" those are probably my favourite series on RUclips ever, they give me goosebumps every time
@drewski west Fuck man. Im so sad to hear that. I heard that the brain is plastic tho (not sure if plastic is the real word im looking for in english) and you can probably learn it again by hard training over time! I also miss the old days of HoN. my two best friends that I used to played with 2011-2014 has died of overdose from drugs. I made a tribute video to one of them today (im fly). Watch if u want (ruclips.net/video/z74yLTnGFH8/видео.html)
I love seeing the floating barracks strategy work; I think maybe the first strategy any SC fan ever has, when they learn that the terran buildings can float, is if they can do this.
In term of RTS, I think SC is still popular among players. The problem is with the RTS genre in general nowadays. People just dont play them as they used to and switch to more action/mobile orientend games.
Dude it's so funny, it's like the pro players have an inside strat against solar inparticular because this man is featured getting cheese against more then anyone else 😅😂😂
im a SC1 player now playing SC2 and using old strats like this and still work. actually you should put some space between those barraks to have a safe place for marine just in case zergling and drone attck.
@@ShadowFri3nd PvsZ zealot rush...start. make 1 worker..also send ur probe near opponent base as fast as u can. (dont build pylon in your base ) then build pylon and 4 gateways then one phylon again...use cronoboost for zealot. wait 2 zealot then go attck with ur 1 probe. dont stop making zealot. big chance win if they didn't see ur proxy gateways..scout drone to ur base is too late.
@@ShadowFri3nd PvsT Canon rush with gateway. cover your canon using gateway. start. use cronoboost make 2 probe then build pylon and send you probe to ur opponent. 2 probe again until hear (not enough pylon) then make forge. exactly ur probe in good position for canon rush.build pylon then wait 450 mineral. build 2 canon and 1 gateway make sure 1 canon fully block.
@@peternystrom921 Ooh. Yeah. I thought he meant this specific match. SC2 is a 2010 game yeah, but it's definitely been updated to look better over time.
I think this will never happen again on top lvl as long as this maps around. Everyones gonna build their pool next to the blindspot. Thats like a no drawback play anyways but its funny to see how noone bothers to plant it there since its so far of their radar.
In that condition if cure goes for pylon and his medivac didn't provide enough high ground vision if there's another pylon powering up the cybernetics core, he might lost this cheese cause the primary was to stop protoss stalker production.
Matches like these are why I question the change to starting the game with ~16 workers instead of 4. It feels like multiple proxy barracks is no longer a risky all-in cheese, but instead is just a standard strategy. Rushes for all the races are just standard now.
When Florencio does this, some asshole in the comments section goes on about how it would never work in leagues higher than Plat, but when Pros do suddenly it's 300iq.
i feel like when he was pulling his marines back to his 4rax, he was actively trying to trigger solar into an immediate GG. like it was "hey, come see my renovations to your main base, then quit because you know you can't beat it"
Cheese is basically doing something very 'risky' to the point where it will likely either work and win you the game super early, or not work and make you behind by so much that it becomes pretty much impossible to win from that position. A lot of the time whether it works comes down to a bit of luck, and relies on your opponent to not see it coming/not be expecting it. Usually its a good idea for pro starcraft players to mix in some cheese in their builds, because being predictable has some pretty big downsides in this game. A lot of the early game is trying to balance out how much army and how much economy to get. If a player never cheeses and always plays 'standard' (expansions, defensive army, lots of workers early), then the other player can exploit that and cut corners of their own to gain an edge (they might skip some early game army in order to get a massive economy knowing the first player won't attack). So, even when cheese doesn't work, and it often doesn't, forcing your opponent to prepare for it every game knowing it might happen helps in the other games.
So Stupid. As soon as this was released, this happened to me on a ladder game. I even sent a scout in every other direction and had a queen right at the very corner of the fog of war for that side of the base. It was stupid lucky. I would imagine this does not work very often otherwise.
you can't blame Solar for trying to cheese TY back, every sc2 player knows you always need to get revenge for a cheese
It was just extremely underwhelming
Maybe that's what TY wanted Solar to do...
The mind games 💓💓💓
Early win is the only option for badly nerfed Terran, if it comes to late game Terran has no chance against Zerg or Gay-toss
@@alexl5682 not entirely true, the problem with Terran late game aren't quite flexible compare to zerg (as they can produce any unit composition they want), as for Terran they have to either pick either mech or bio(for mech they are powerful but slow yet you can choose for fast move units but the micro on mech isn't easy… for me I miss my Gumiho how he smash soO in final GSL, as for bio you need to learn multiple prong harras or else your army would melt so easily. Although Marine is best and cheapest DPS unit in SC2. Not to mention bio required decent micro if you can split against baneling.). When comes to protoss late game usually is sky toss but sometimes they will go for acrhon Immortal in mid game to transition (or just try to end the game) since protoss in past few patches protons has nerf so much that the protoss death ball is almost no longer exists
This is some vintage tactics right there. Fine wine levels of tactics.
wrr
You know what goes well with wine?
@@flyingspaghettimonster2132 cheeeeese???
Nearly a vintage from the previous century. I kind of disagree with Tasteless that it was quite last century, but I guess it could have been. Like Boxer did it in 02. I doubt it was done much before 00 but it's possible.
Mshojat i was doing it on ladder in 99 (this was dial up in us-east…) of course still losing games all the time. People did this kind of (bad) cheese all the time.
I have literally never cheesed like this in my life and don’t particularly enjoy playing against it, but for whatever reason I fucking love watching players way stronger than me do this shit
I forgot this channel existed. Thanks youtube
Solar: I have to cheese him before he cheeses me again
TY: yo man wtf i just wanted slow macro game
Every time I see a Solar highlight, I know he is about to get cheesed. My first memory of Solar is an old GSL where he played against Sorry, got proxied twice by one Barracks into Reapers, and him throwing his headphones in disgust.
3:00 wait why'd he leave that one marine behindIs that a mis-click? 5 seconds later oh that's why. Pro level cheese is so fun to watch.
Tell you a secrect SC2HL, i haven't even played SC2 for 10 years but i love watching your highlight videos because they're made very simple, very well done and very enjoyable
Hey, I know its was ages ago, but what happened to "top 5 plays" and "best of [year]" those are probably my favourite series on RUclips ever, they give me goosebumps every time
Yeah mine too, would hope to see them again.
Agreed
@Abandon sadly, that is true
They used to have it on Heroes of Newerth as well. Used to love that shit
@drewski west Fuck man. Im so sad to hear that. I heard that the brain is plastic tho (not sure if plastic is the real word im looking for in english) and you can probably learn it again by hard training over time! I also miss the old days of HoN. my two best friends that I used to played with 2011-2014 has died of overdose from drugs. I made a tribute video to one of them today (im fly). Watch if u want (ruclips.net/video/z74yLTnGFH8/видео.html)
There is ALWAYS time to watch some good sc2 cheese
Nice to see you upload again!
Aged cheese and fresh cheese all in the same video.
That aged cheese was as smelly as effective. Zergs got wrecked!
fresh cheese?, I've been doing the rax lift for over a year, it's about time a pro gamer did it.
@@dildosemenisthefuture2041 that's a 20 year old strat lol
Starcraft e-sport might not be as relevant anymore, but they sure hell are always so damn entertaining
@Qimodis I like what I assume you're saying.
@Qimodis SC2 is not relevant lmao
I love seeing the floating barracks strategy work; I think maybe the first strategy any SC fan ever has, when they learn that the terran buildings can float, is if they can do this.
22 years later and that shit still works.
RUclips: SC2HL has a new upload.
Me: Heeeell,it's about time!
That delicious cheese.
Provolone cheese.
I love how these players cheese. As soon as they do enough damage or if they can't do more they immediately transition.
Or if you commit to the cheese and it fails epicly, they gg knowing that they have no hope of recovery.
I remember when this was done back in Brood War days.
Oldschool Boxer strats!
Oldskool text book
boyscoutbp82 which boxer invented in the 1st place
damn near brought a tear to my eye.
Vintage tactics indeed. I used to float barracks into enemy bases in Brood War
Oh man this is a classic cheese strat right here oml me and my family would do this back then on each other
Man sc deserves more recognition from the gaming community
@drewski west totaly agree but I am not talking about korea, here in EU the new generation dont know what it is.
In term of RTS, I think SC is still popular among players. The problem is with the RTS genre in general nowadays. People just dont play them as they used to and switch to more action/mobile orientend games.
@drewski west Even in Korea, its mostly middle-aged people who know starcraft, most of the younger generations haven't heard of starcraft at all.
Every time a zerg gets cheesed, an archon gets its merge.
"If you're going to be playing against a top-tier terran in a tournament..."
Why is Solar always the victim in this kind of videos
if i try to do that king of thing im gonna show up at winters channel in BLH
Used to do this same thing with firebats back in broodwar on lost temple lol
Finally more uploads!! Thanks.
我的天這是2020 2021了吧？這麼古典的RUSH戰術居然贏了我的天。那蟲族哥也真是個表情包苦主。吃這個機槍Rush，又一個失誤吃了最白痴的一顆核彈哈哈哈
How have I not seen this video? Man SC2HL cheese videos are so good!
Good guy Solar giving TY a free win in G1 and showing him the secret drop spot in G2, which TY used in every match afterwards.
Dude it's so funny, it's like the pro players have an inside strat against solar inparticular because this man is featured getting cheese against more then anyone else 😅😂😂
Literally TY
That few seconds of silence in the beginning scared me
im a SC1 player now playing SC2 and using old strats like this and still work. actually you should put some space between those barraks to have a safe place for marine just in case zergling and drone attck.
Can spotlight some of those cheese sc1 strats? I'm a new player and sounds interesting, back in 1998 I was 4 years old.
@@ShadowFri3nd PvsZ zealot rush...start. make 1 worker..also send ur probe near opponent base as fast as u can. (dont build pylon in your base ) then build pylon and 4 gateways then one phylon again...use cronoboost for zealot. wait 2 zealot then go attck with ur 1 probe. dont stop making zealot. big chance win if they didn't see ur proxy gateways..scout drone to ur base is too late.
@@ShadowFri3nd PvsT Canon rush with gateway. cover your canon using gateway. start. use cronoboost make 2 probe then build pylon and send you probe to ur opponent. 2 probe again until hear (not enough pylon) then make forge. exactly ur probe in good position for canon rush.build pylon then wait 450 mineral. build 2 canon and 1 gateway make sure 1 canon fully block.
Nothing better than a bit of T-cheese 😍
Some quality rounds
I missed this channel so much
For a 2010 game that looks pretty good.
Not a 2010 game, that's pretty recent
@@guyingrey1072 Sc2 was made 2010. Not when the "game" was played.
@@peternystrom921 Ooh. Yeah. I thought he meant this specific match. SC2 is a 2010 game yeah, but it's definitely been updated to look better over time.
coment just for make it more popular in yt algoritms.
Ok
Go algorithms!
9:11 uh.. you.... you... should've gone for the PYLON
It's like fresh mozzarella vs some insanely aged cheddar
Wow this is way to competitive for my tiny brain to understand
Cheese? More like high level strategy
That is some pro a-hole cheese fo sho
Been doing this a lot lately, works good.
I think this will never happen again on top lvl as long as this maps around. Everyones gonna build their pool next to the blindspot. Thats like a no drawback play anyways but its funny to see how noone bothers to plant it there since its so far of their radar.
this video gave me goosebumps
This matchs are TY's birthday presents for Solar
Love me some Starcraft Cheese.
Top tier Terran in a tournament
I did this strategy of lifting barracks before the battelcruiser update it's a 50 out of 50 chance of winning
awesome strats wow
my boi zergrushed a zerg with terrans
Why cure didnt kill the pylon first? 😂😂
In that condition if cure goes for pylon and his medivac didn't provide enough high ground vision if there's another pylon powering up the cybernetics core, he might lost this cheese cause the primary was to stop protoss stalker production.
@Johny bravo that's as Terran safe side, the adepts only takes two shot to kill a marine (without glaives upgrade)
It's been too long since I heard these commentators or watched sc2
Why didn't solar pull all drones down to natural and immediately start spinecrawlers? Then counter
Fantastic!
asurprised to not see the tajea proxies from the midweek games on here yet
clever !
What can you even do if the Terran marine number is more than Zerg zergling number
lol, on 2nd game TY had face like "damn, a u kiddin' me? Such a loser, ugh"
Well everyone have to go back drawing board of strategies not to mention old book of cheese which sometimes very effective.
The filthier the cheese, the better it tastes.
0:56
here we go
"This Is An OG Call" :y
all you need is marines apparently
Matches like these are why I question the change to starting the game with ~16 workers instead of 4. It feels like multiple proxy barracks is no longer a risky all-in cheese, but instead is just a standard strategy. Rushes for all the races are just standard now.
If this was scouted early TY would have been in a world of trouble
this is exactly the kind of ontent why I subscribed.
Big Like :D
When Florencio does this, some asshole in the comments section goes on about how it would never work in leagues higher than Plat, but when Pros do suddenly it's 300iq.
TY
The announcers are the only ones that seem to be enjoying themselves.
All the players be like : -.-
he should have saved all his units and went to the T base
The counter to marines... is more marines.
He got used to it
Anymore cheese and hed be playing for France.
Amazing
i feel like when he was pulling his marines back to his 4rax, he was actively trying to trigger solar into an immediate GG. like it was "hey, come see my renovations to your main base, then quit because you know you can't beat it"
I need TY's flying barracks into enemy base build order
Make 4 barracks, fly them over, make marines.
@@deltagolf69 and never let the light in your command center go out
I literally got f*cked by that strat 3 times today
5:20 Marine > Zerg T1
omg i feel so bad for solar
Beginner's question: Why are the strategies shown in this video classified as cheese?
Cheese basically means cheap shot
Cheese is basically doing something very 'risky' to the point where it will likely either work and win you the game super early, or not work and make you behind by so much that it becomes pretty much impossible to win from that position. A lot of the time whether it works comes down to a bit of luck, and relies on your opponent to not see it coming/not be expecting it.
Usually its a good idea for pro starcraft players to mix in some cheese in their builds, because being predictable has some pretty big downsides in this game. A lot of the early game is trying to balance out how much army and how much economy to get. If a player never cheeses and always plays 'standard' (expansions, defensive army, lots of workers early), then the other player can exploit that and cut corners of their own to gain an edge (they might skip some early game army in order to get a massive economy knowing the first player won't attack). So, even when cheese doesn't work, and it often doesn't, forcing your opponent to prepare for it every game knowing it might happen helps in the other games.
where can you watch these full games being cast?
afreeca tv esports RUclips channel bro
Its RIGHT THERE in the description of the video.
kinda feel bad for Solar
So Stupid. As soon as this was released, this happened to me on a ladder game. I even sent a scout in every other direction and had a queen right at the very corner of the fog of war for that side of the base. It was stupid lucky. I would imagine this does not work very often otherwise.
I feel kinda bad looking at 6:42 cure and stats face. how long their been war in the game? their look so tired and exhausting.
First game was YELLOW CHEESE level!
Terran op
Que marranada tan chingón xD jajajajajajajajajajajaja
1 Reaper vs 10 drones who would win?
marines op
They always are, not to mention that the DPS output can be very insane. If you can micro well then you can get value for it. YOU WANT SOME MEAT BOI?
@Alvi Syahri weak? They still pretty flimsy not to mention their HP is still low compared to zealots
@Alvi Syahri i think they have, they are same Marine in LotV without Stimpack. But LotV marines has 9.8 dps vs Boordwar 9.5 dps (without stim pack )
Had that happened to me before early in match. I hated it. It just seems so unfair.
Comment to give traction.
Fkn owned
pls upload more often BibleThumb
I always have done that, but agaist zerg its kinda shitty, and map does matter a lot
Cheeese!!!!
Yeah marines seems balanced to me