Kobe Vs Lebron- 4th Quarter Abilities - Top 5 of Inside The NBA (2012) - TNT
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Kenny, Shaq and Chuck debate the difference between Kobe and Lebron's play-making abilities in the 4th quarter!
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Kobe all day
It clearly wasnt a good shot. But dont go saying its luck. Kobe is Kobe and he hits those a lot.
Kobe is 80% in 2 min left 4th quarter and lebron is 14%. I arrest my case
***** Not true. Kobe has better last minute/last 24 second clutch situations (higher fg%, higher assist rate, higher win rate, and more made game-winning shots).
show still going as strong as ever love these 4
Kobe always gets better because of age
Lebron only gets better because of wade
Have you been watching this season Kobe goes harder than anybody in the NBA
81. and winning championships is a team achievement not an individual accomplisment..
this is a pretty good breakdown props to tnt
I answered that on a previous comment if you would have bothered to scroll down.
The T-wolves still fell to a 22 win without Garnett, the supersonics did even worse with only 20 wins, 1 more than Clevland. All in all, not really a difference in the winning record.
He doesn't get all of the blame now because the Lakers are no longer relevant as far as ESPN etc are concerned. Heat are the best team in the nba, and the most hated, so when things go wrong people (unfairly) criticise them for it. Back in 2008-2010 when lakers where the best team on the planet Kobe was maligned a lot, maybe not as much as LeBron now (due to haters), but still a heck of a lot.
"The greatest players has the shortest memories." - Kenny Smith
i kno he never begged they was going to trade him when shaq left
Actually, Celtics fans hate the guts out of the Lakers. you probably being the modern fan don't recognise the Lakers and Celtics rivalry, one of the most storied rivalries in sports history. If you think the Heat - Celtics rivalry is bad, you should've seen the 2010 and 2008 series.
@ Kuroganemk2: League MVP is a great accomplishment, but it doesn't mean best player in the league by any stretch. If that were the case, MJ would have won it every year. Also, Lebron's Cav teams did not have Kwame Brown and Smush Parker. Clearly, his 2009-2010 teams were better than what Kobe had to work with in LA in 2006-2007. Also, you need to factor in eastern conference when you evaluate total wins. Lebron's Cav teams would not have won 60+ games had they been in the west.
Tim Duncan is not done yet, not saying he is better, in my opinion he is not, but he is pretty close to Kobe in the greatest of all time and this decade list.
Kobe didnt have nothing to do with the 3 team trade he started talk with dwight when he had been traded to the lakers
you dont understand basketball if you think its 50/50 luck/skill
That's besides the point. He's stating that no matter what you say about ringless seasons, it's a stupid argument plain and simple.
garnett and allen was traded while bosh and james left without any player in return see the difference? ;)
kobe begged to be traded so they got him pau gasol
Yeah I know, I typped it wrong. Maybe if you learned how to read, Ive already had a discussion about it twice. No need for aggressiveness. Despite the fact that it was actually 17 years, If you understood my argument you would see that that fact doesnt change anything. My point was that tallying up the amount of Ringless seasons is a stupid argument of a players skill.
Of last decade, w/out a doubt, of this decade, naww.
Wow, then Stephen A smith, Shaq, and a shit load of other analysts must not know basketball. And I guess you got it all figured out. I dont give a fuck how PHYSICALLY DOMINANT he is, I played basketball and just because someone was bigeer than me didnt make him better than me. And that was my point the games were way more physical back then so when it comes to playing teams like Shaqs Lakers, MJs bulls or Birds Celtics and I can go on and on and on LB aint dominating shit.
Simple. KG and Allen were traded via blockbuster trades. Wade and James left via free agency.
Just saying, ok? Not siding with anyone here. Just pointing it out :)
Are we know comparing the laker organization with the Cavaliers. Kobe was threating to leave when he didn't have good players on his team. Lebron on the other had was always under pressure from everyone, the media and Cleveland. From day 1 everyone set this high bar for guy barely out of high school. Kobe on the other hand never had those kinds of expectations. If you hate lebron for leaving Cleveland sure. But most of the hate he gets is stupid.
Kobe has 9 ringless seasons and has been in the NBA 14 years. LeBron has 8 ringless seasons and has been in the NBA for 9 years lol. The amount of ringless seasons is a stupid argument.
Kobe has not shot a single clutch shot in the playoffs in the last 5 seasons.
King James brought 2 rings by his clutch shots the last 2 seasons.
Get your shit right.
That's what makes the job easier for Kobe. When Lebron had bad supporting casts their was no one there to help him when he needed it. I know you don't know basketball if you are saying Kobe is better than Lebron. Kobe always gets bailed out and Lebron always gets the blame. laker fans are delusional. When the Lakers lose they never blame Kobe but when the Heat lose Lebron gets all of the blame. That must mean Kobe is not as good because he is not taking responsibilities for the losses.
Yes Lebron is the greatest player in the league right now but Kobe the black mamba Bryant always delivers down the stretch which in my opinion makes him the greatest player of the decade.
Guess you never saw Shaq or Duncan.
How is it that everyone says lebron is the best player in tge world yet the big discussion is always a debate about how he shud play n what he doesnt do . There were nvr any questions of how Jordan shud play.
I agree with shaq completely if lebron made those shots there would be no discussion
No it wasnt kobe that called D12 or Steve nash and sayed come to the lakers the GM just made some good moves
I'm a Heat fan, die hard, but I agree kobe is a better finisher
You dont understand basketball. Obviously Kobe played a role in getting shaq. Also, The fact of the matter, Kobe teamed up with superstars. You cant deny that. Shaq was a bigger superstar than Kobe in the early 2000s. Kobe needed Shaq, just like he needed Gasol. To say that he never teamed up is a ridiculous comment worthy of ridicule. Yes, he did need Gasol because kwame sucked. He still needed Gasol. He didnt just need a post player, he needed one of the best in the league at the time.
got the year wrong calm down man, doesnt even change the point I was making
Stats does not mean anything, you have to consider the context. It's like saying Steve Kerr has a higher 3pt % as compared to Reggie Miller and thus, he is a better player than Reggie.
are u fucking kidding me. kenny said its because he's the black mamba, those so called kobe shots are jacks! he's lucky he makes them. its probably 70% skill 30% luck. but there's no fucking way he has all that skill to jack up fadeways being triple teamed and make them. Lol sometimes when he jacks shots even he cant believe it when he makes the shot
LeBron is the most dominant NBA player in history, he can take any position on the court and still be elite, but I'd take Kobe with the last shot
Kobe was being guarded by Raja Bell (a good defender)...and Lebron's not better than Kobe he has the better TEAM...There's a difference.
nah kyrie is statistically. him n joe johnson. but lebron is up there too
5 rings nuff said
"9 Years of failure" HAH my ASS. "Joining 2 superstars to win a ring" 4 of kobe's rings were with shaq.
For years the Lakers were not a championship team, and didn't even make the playoff twice.
Kobe is the face of the Lakers like Lebron was.
He is a bitch for leaving his HOMEtown team that pretty much accepted him as the franchise player.
But then again whats more important.... Loyalty or rings.?
you're blaming the team Cleveland for not able to bring Lebron the championship, but you're not blaming on Lebron who is *inside* Cleveland who can't win a championship? Isn't that very bias towards Lebron? It's like the the rest of the Cleveland except Lebron is the blame for not winning the championship.
"better player" is not the right term my friend... it should be "more efficient". therefore u can say that steve kerr is more efficient from the 3 pt line than reggie. "better" is reserve for the totality of the game, 3pt % is just 1 aspect of it... clear?
Look kobe didnt have anything to do with the Shaq trade do u think that a kid from high school 14 overall pick had the power to get Shaq to the lakers no way and he didnt team up with Gasol he asked the GM or the Owner for a post player so he knows that Lakers wants to win a Championship and Team with somebody is if u call somebody and telling somebody to come to his team like
D Wade Lebron and Bosh did
Kobe is fun to watch and that's all matter. Come on lebron can't even pull the trigger by himself.
You being a celtics fan doesn't support your objectivity here. Heat plays in the same conference as Celtics, unlike Lakers, so one would assume you would dislike Heat more. Unless you actually watched alot of NBA during the showtime era, you have no reason to actually dislike Lakers more than Heat.
That being said i agree that Kobe is the better closer and has had the better career. Keep in mind thou Kobe has had more ringless seasons as of now than Lebron, even if he has more rings.
just cause he makes it doesnt mean its not a bad shot. *LUCK*
Im so tired of hearing that lebron is the most dominant player in NBA history, man if Kobe's was younger or if Lebron was playin with Jordan, stockton, david robinson, and them, all that would get squashed. Not saying that he wouldnt be good, just saying he wouldnt stop Jordan, which means he wouldnt be the most dominant player then, or in history.
good job. Next time try reading the comments...Ive discussed this already, and you are just helping my point. I got the year wrong, but that doesnt matter. I wasnt making a statement favouring either player. All I fucking said, was that comparing ringless seasons is a ridiculous asinine way of comparing players. It doesnt matter, you missed the whole point of my comment.
34 game losers? You're abusing this kid when you say things like that?
TRUE and lebron didn't even score over Billups
FIRST OF ALL lebron abandon cleveland cuz they were a bad, really bad team, you cant say Lakers is a bad team becuz they are the Yankees of basketball, they are a regular champioship team, kobe doesnt have any reason to leave, except of maybe money... second Lebronis not a shooter, but this year he is proving that he can shot; having a .400 in 3 point land and .541 in FG taking as many jumpshots as he usually takes... he is getting there even if he doesnt need to be a shooter right now
well kenny the ledick rider smith clearly doesnt pick the right tape like how lakers got bailed out against NO and Raptors in consecutive nights and he delivers like the mailman when he absolutely needs to like now
rofl Lebron just surpassed kobe as a basketball player. in hindsight he surpassed him a while ago, Kobe doesn't make his teammates better like Lebron and never will
Are you calling Chris Bosh a superstar?
Also what do you call the big three in Boston, how is Pierce teaming up with KG and Ray Allen any different than James teaming up with Wade and Bosh?
they love bringing up final shot pct is not the only clutch situation last 5 mins of 4th quarter in close games witch kobe is 1 of the best ever and lebron sucks kobe also in those last second shots catches and shoots over 2 or 3 guys and lebron wont even attempt that shot unless its a layup and the finals mvp argument is so stupid anybody who watched lakers or old west playoffs knows thats were the real playoff games were not finals witch lakers dominated..and kobe litt up spurs kings blazers and twolves witch then were best teams not the sixers and nets!finals mvp not the playoff mvp.only people that read stats and espn propaganda believe lbj better the players and greats say kobe!funny espn dont show last 2 minute stats either lol
You jsut dont know basketball. The games were more physical back then and LeBron is way more PHYSICALLY DOMINATE than Jordan. He could dictate a basketball game against Jordan
if you shoot 9 for 10 in game winners and i shoot 85-100 who's better? your percentage is better but im asked to shoot those shots more and still make a high percentage
Put Lebron on the floor, everyone is a threat to score, in kobe's case, it's kobe and only kobe, i'd take lebron over kobe easily.
What the hell was Barkley talking about? He made no sense lol
Kenny Smith just goes on and on and on.
Lebron and Kobe are on the same level without rings. Rings separate them. Kerr aint on the same level with or without rings to the other great pg like magic n isiah
what does height and weight have to do with being a better passer? and how many people bigger than kobe are better than kobe? don't use the size excuse when 1 guy comes along and is better than kobe
Kobe's fans know nothing about basketball. Those super low % shot's, the extreme difficulty shot's he takes in clutch situations are so bad. Idc how brave and bold you are, there bad look's. Atleast Lebron went to the rim hard and got fouled, plus his team's spacing was pretty bad so the lane was crowded.
Yea but Kobe didnt leave Lakers when they had Kwame Brown Smosh Parker. He stayed and got them rings If Lebron stayed in Clevland he would have 9 ringless seasons so dont compare a TRUE CHAMPION/LEADER with a great player but aint no leader and kobe could have won more championships if he teamed up with superstars but no KOBE is a leader he aint gonna follow some other people they come to him or nothing
bad shot cause he was too far out in the post.he should have been closer in the low post before fading
When he called shaq are u serious when shaq got traded to L.A kobe ws a rookie so he didnt call Shaq and when he needed a post player he didnt call gasol he just needed a post player cause Kwame Brown Sucked
I wasnt making an argument. I was refuting one. Read the discussion i made the comment in before you jump on any discrepancies.
I would take Mr fourth quarter
Kobe atleast made a FG Lebron couldnt even make a free throw
lol wtf are u talking about?
so ur saying in lebrons 7 years in cavs he didn't get better at all? plus wade said in an interview without lebron or melo he wouldnt have been this good, he said its because of them he pushed himself to become a better player..
Kobe has 34 game winners and more than 34 game losers.
That's why he's not clutch kid. 16 years old, you'd think you'd have a brain.
lebron is a god but he not the most dominate that goes to ether shaq or wilt. now versatility wise only james and magic come to mind but i would take lebron because of his outstanding defensive ability's
the cavs were better?
What about the 2009 finals and 2011 finals, pretty sure lebron wet the pants then
guess you don't watch the other 81 games ... Kobe is Mr. 4th quarter
Yes but thats what makes players great dedication to there team and the team to that player, look at jordan, he had Phil Jackson a great coach, Pippen
I wasnt talking about D12 or Nash. What about when HE called Shaq. Or when he threatened to leave if they didnt get him a good post player to compete for a ring with (Gasol).
Really nigga that aint true how did u think Kobe wanted Phil Jackson or Mike Dantoni everybody knows that kobe wants Phil but the lakers hired Mike so I dont think has that much Power but he do got alot of
Sure, he took way more shoots, which most of which he missed, hiw clutch fg% is at 31% Lebron took like a half of what kobe did, his % is 33%, both aren't great clutch players. Kobe just doesn't give a damn and will put up shoots and miss 2 out of 3, is that clutch to you? Kobe isn't a bad player, but he does tend to hog the ball a lot, he will get his 25+ points , even if he has to shoot bricks all day long.
I dont see how that relates to what I said, but ok. Im sure that does mean something. But of course LeBron has been to the finals both years. Look at his team.
wrong...jordan was...kobe may be 2nd...jordan would have never lost in the finals let alone let it go to a game 7...
Those are not good plays by Lebron! He missed the layups, yes he got fouled, but he didn't make the free throws! That is freaking choking, those are not food possessions.
also i did some research and actually Kobe talking to Dwight howard was a major part of why dwight wanted to go to LA.
Kobe no question
lebron knew he couldnt win championships in cleveland so he pussied out and joined 2 superstars. go look up lakers 2006 roster. that was a much worse team then the cavs and kobe never ran to the best team in the nba to get bailed out by another star. lebron knows he cant win without allstars dragging him along. kobe juts wins wherever he is.
Lol what? Ever since 2003 lebrons made a higher percentage of shots to either win or tie the game, it's on a bleacher report article look it up niggas.
kobe has .is. will always be better.
So what? 5 Championships! so What?!? BLACK MAMBA!
Lebron is one of the greatest just he's not clutch
But FG% when comparing 2 player's who are volumed scorer's tells you alot about what shot's they are taking. Lebron takes safer shot's, why? Because the point is to make the shot, not how difficult or pretty the shot is. Kobe takes long 2's, fade away's, instead of getting open shot's. Is Kobe incapable of taking higher % shot's? Absolutely not.Then why doesn't he do it? hmm
Shaq carried him for three of those. Nuff said.
He's been in the NBA for 16 years.
are you kidding me its not even a competition kobe is easily the greatest closer ever lebron always chokes if its incorrect answer this why does lebron average 1.8 points in the 4th quarter?
Lol really? Kobe has 34 game winners where dafuq u get ur info from?
3 rings were with shaq..just saying