Hey Mick. I’m one of three guys that build the ES models, in White wood, at the Gibson Custom Shop. I know you are very particular about details so a few things you may like to know… Gibson builds two main years (with a few small exceptions) a ‘59 and a ‘64 (not a ‘63)… and the hole in the maple Center block is called a “window “. (A detail only someone as geeky as us would appreciate)…. Also, the window was added in 1964. Love the show… I’ve watched since the beginning… love what you guys do… God Bless my friend. Tell Dan Hi from the Custom shop. Ps… very impressive how you pushed through and got the job done. Even people here (who do this every day) has a hard time with ES style guitars. Great job, Brother.
Thank you so much Aaron! It was inspirational to visit Memphis (when it was there) and also the Nashville facility. It was Mike Voltz who showed me around and had I had the money, I’d have bought a Rusty there and then. That was the inspiration for this one. Thanks for your work Aaron!
Aaron, you guys do great work, thank you! Asking cause you're on the inside, but I understand you may have no idea... Is there any interest from Gibson on bringing back the 333 with the LP style rear access plate?
Dude. No way. Lol There's absolutely nothing about this process that appeals to me as a do-it-yourself weekend adventure. Anyone who does this is a monolith of patience and dexterity.
i have never felt so represented in a youtube video. Mick sorry for all the trouble but man did it feel good to not be the only one who thinks they are undertaking a simple task with their guitar and getting to the point where you just can't handle it anymore. Great video on showing the utter frustration that guitars can be!
mental preparation is the key, you can't be thinking about something else or getting angry at inanimate objects. (easier to say than to do for most though...)
Find yourself a 333, it has a Les Paul style backplate and pickup swaps are really straightforward. They only produced them for a couple years, and they get snatched up by Blink 182 fans and modded because Tom Delonge had a signature 333 that is unobtainably priced.
As soon as I saw the thumbnail & title I knew what to expect. Sat down with a mug of tea and some biscuits and thought 'let the fun begin'. Wasn't disappointed. From 7:00 I just grinned all the way. Over time, I've swapped out three looms & pickups from 2 '335's and a 339 - custom wound Wizz Paf replica's, Bareknuckle Mules and SD Pearly Gates, if anyone is interested. You seriously almost have to be in a zen state of calmness to attempt this job. But the end result is what its all about. I now have three hollow body's with three seperate sound colours. Was it worth it? 100%. The biggest suprise was the Mules. Hadn't heard them in a '335 but they just kicked the package up a level more than the others. Won't be doing it again, though.
Mick, I applaud your willingness to experiment with trial and error for an International audience. You're teaching countless budding guitar techs valuable lessons, including perhaps the most important: frustration is real, but can be circumvented. Thanks for your work, per usual. Good job. 335 sounds fantastic.
The Gibsons are louder and bassier which always sounds ‘better’ in sound comparisons and in music stores (and something that RUclips gear demoers know all about). Ask a producer or a mix engineer though, and they’ll tell you they don’t want all the flub. What they want is the articulation…. Which is what I wanted, and why I prefer the new pickups. Cheers!
Thanks for taking us along on your journey! I loved the playing at the end. I was actually surprised at the differences, as I wasn't expecting too much.
Thank you for transparently showing the struggle of this project! Given your experience doing these type of swaps, it will prevent less experienced operators from damaging their stuff and is also a shared experience for anyone who has had challenges on similar tasks.
Once saw Trogly show a neat little trick to avoid all that fishing the pots in and out hassle: he ties thread 🧵 around the shafts before dropping them inside the body. That way you can just pull each thread through the respective holes and fish the pots back up in no time. Works for the pickup leads, or the jack as well
Mick, I felt your pain so much on this one that I had to pause halfway through and go and get a glass of wine! 🍷 I could actually hear a difference (albeit a small one) and really appreciate that you gave us some examples in the context of some tracks. Take a bow, Sir!
The building rage and frustration seen in this video is quite possibly the funniest and relatable thing I’ve seen this year. I would love to see the outtakes. You have the patience of a saint.
Love the pet cameos as well. Luckily you did the soldering at work, otherwise the cats would sense your intense concentration, and would *love* to cause some ill-timed mischief.
I went through the same emotions you went through when rewiring mine with push-pull pots, and I had a window in the cavity to work with! Working on an ES’ electronics takes nearly an act of God. Congrats on pulling through. It took me 4 days but I finally got through as well and it is glorious. Just left with a lot pride and crippling guitar PTSD.
What a good video Mick!!! I swapped pus on my Gretsch…mine did not work at the end… I will NEVER try it ever again!!! It is one hell of a task… but you persevered and were successful!!! Much respect Mick,speaks volumes to your character,a man of many talents you are,bloody good show mate!!!
Really appreciate the effort and struggles you went for to make such an in-depth video. Both sets of pickups sound great to me although can definitely hear a difference
I hope Monty's and other techs give you a kickback on all the work you've just (deservedly) sent their way 😀 My revelation about money 'saved' versus quality of job was a few years back, I'd way rather pay a pro now. Much like how I feel when clients ask if their family can sing at our gigs....
I think what I admire most about this is the perseverence alongside the honesty and admission of near-failure. Many, many people (probably myself included) would have given up and packed it off to Monty's long before you considered that might be your only option. To me the new pick-ups sound more "you" in the sense that the smile that grew across your face when playing them was a reflection of the inner satisfaction of "yup, that's a sound". Huge thanks for showing every painful bit of the process, and for producing yet another insight into the perils of tone-hunting, whilst also proving, sometimes it's worth the pain!
Love the Lollar imperials. I have the normal wind bridge in several guitars, but I’ve been thinking about doing low winds in my 335. Thanks for another great video, Mick!
Appreciate you taking the time out to highlight the subjectivity of guitar tone, absolutely true. With that in mind I'm a huge fan of Lollar's too, the guys over there are great folks and the pickups sound insane!
You're a legend Mick, not an easy task! I'm sure there are many of us who have avoided it due to the limited number of quality video tutorials out there. Nothing worse than seeing an expert making it appear like a simple 30 minute task, when in fact the existing loom won't even fit through the f-hole without a tremendous struggle. This has given me the confidence to give this one a crack.
If ever there was a "beware, don't try this at home" warning, this was it. Thank you for taking some stress and multiple swear words away from my life. 👍🤟😎
What a colossal difference. Reminds me of why I put the same pickups in my LP. The clarity, articulation, and note separation are night and day between the two. Been waiting for this video for a while and it did not disappoint. Thanks, Mick, if for nothing else than confirming I should never work on my 335-style guitars. And the beautiful shots of Those Pedal Pets!
The difference at the end was like night and day to me. Love the new loom and pickups I thought the guitar sounds much clearer now! What a brilliant video Mick, the story of the pure frustration was so completely relatable and genuinely inspiring that you took a day, slept on it and made it to the end!!
the old ones sound a little muddy to me but the true revelation for my ears is the open string to string articulation... lovely! thanks for sharing another adventure in tone.
As much as I love your playing, I love when you boys stretch out and get down deep like this. It's just a great way to spend Friday at work, but it is so much better than that!
Has to be one of my favourite TPS videos. Have so often found myself at the point of wanting to smash whatever guitar related thing I've been toiling with, it's hugely refreshing seeing another highlight the struggle. Red light fever's bad enough tracking guitars for recording let alone taking them apart for nightmare service jobs on camera - top job!
I changed the SD59 pickups and loom in my Eastman T184MX for a set of Montys Retrowinds. When I say 'I changed...' I mean Dave Farmiloe unsoldered my dirty secret of a bodge job and made good. Night[mare] and day better thanks to his skills.
I did this to my bandmate's and my 335 back to back all with lock washers. Instead of tubing, I used long pieces of neon green sewing thread tied to each pot shaft and a nut on the back side of the jack. Somewhat easier
I seem to remember I used malleable thin green gardening wire. It definitely needs that method from the get go. Knobs off, attach the wire, fishing line, whatever to the pot necks then undo the nuts and pull the harness out, making sure you don’t pull the guide wires through… doh!
Seymour Duncan Seth Lover PAF's, for me they beat Lollars Imperial range and Bare Knuckles. However any swap from the original Gibbo pickups is going to help. I took the pickups from my Gibson ES345 and dropped them into a Strat. They work very well there, as it happens!
Excellent video. I enjoy doing work on amps, guitars and pedals, but there are frustrating times. Cheers on keeping the humor going. Your playing is excellent as always.
Post vid thoughts: I can understand why you might prefer the new set up. The transient (Attack) is a little sharper, there is less bass and a higher main mid frequency and this I think is more the type of thing you go for. Personally I prefer a softer attack and overall I preferred the Memphis pick ups but as you say there is no better as tone is so subjective.
@@ThatPedalShow Oh man, I felt all the feels in this video! I don't know what happened when the camera was off, but I imagine you handled it better than I would/have during similar situation/debacles. But hey, the results were stellar! I think better tone and articulation. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for that! I’m so glad you left in all the frustration that you were going through with the harness. It was awesome to see that it wasn’t just me. 😅
Ha ha this brought back some uncomfortable memories Mick! 😱🤣well done for persevering against all odds and getting the job done without an access hole... sorry to have given you false hope, we now know for sure that not all 335's are created equal and that Matt's earth wiring is very pretty but a complete 🤬
An old fable about a young man, in his search for that perfect tone, visits his local guitar shop and trades in his amp for a new one. A couple of months later he goes into the shop to buy some strings and hears someone playing in the back of the store. He runs to the back declaring that is the tone I am looking for only to find someone playing the amp he traded in. The search is endless.
What a great episode! I was considering replacing the pots in my ES-339. Now, I am convinced that I will mess it up (probably not going to stop, though). And yes, I think many here can relate to that sense of anger and frustration when something that seems simple turns out to be such a pain. But, delighted that you went through with it and figured it out -- that guitar sounds gorgeous!
This was hilarious! As someone who started a pickup swap on an ES style/F-hole guitar about a year ago, that is still hanging unfinished in my workshop - I can totally relate!
Mick, your frustration was visceral and palpable -- and way too relatable. I've modded many, many guitars and basses, and the one notable failure was my attempt to install a set of Duncan P-Rails (and a coil-splitting tone pot) in my Dean Boca semi-hollow electric 12. The three biggest issues were the original wiring (which included a multi-pin plug assembly for the pickups), the narrow f-hole, and the shallow body cavity. After two days (seemed longer) my frustration was off the charts and I threw in the towel. Am truly glad you were ultimately successful with the 335. Congrats!
I feel bad for enjoying this utter frustration so much, but I did. The editing is incredible (Rosie affirmation included) and we all love a happy ending. Kudos for the effort!
When I clicked on this video I thought it was gonna be the installion of old and new pick ups then comparison. What I got out of it was a dogged determination to get done what u set out to do while at the same time knowing at any time u could quit or hand over to the guitar shop and u chose to stay with it. The tones were a just bonus to the video. Well done and thank you
Great video, l was rooting for you all the way. Well done for hanging in there and working it out. I think it's made a significant difference. The instrument has a lot more "presence" and will cut through in a live mix. Nice playing too. My 335 is a really nice tobacco sunburst from the early 70's. It's one of the rare ones with the coil tap switch on the lower horn. It makes the guitar so versatile. A great attribute for a guitar to have when l was a pro freelance musician. Love your channel Mick.
Great video, Mick. I could hear a marked difference in clarity and responsiveness in the new pickups and loom vs. the original pickups and loom, especially on the neck position. I know this was a very long and frustrating process, but I think, in the end, it was worth it. Cheers from central Georgia (U.S.)
I was screaming encouraging words at the screen, following the suspense and then you do an edit leaving out those moments of triumph as the control pots fall into place. Would really like to have seen those moments, but cheers for perseverance!
Hi guys I am using a very versatile guitar that does it all . A telly, rose wood neck, old style fender humbucker split pole pieces, standard single coil bridge. Adjusted so humbucker and single coil have equal output. This gives you 3 tones for jazz, funk, rock, and a lot of bass boost.
I know the process was terribly frustrating, but to my ears the new loom and pickups have given that guitar new life! The absolute clarity is astonishing, but without sacrificing what I hear to be the “voice” of that guitar. Time well spent in my opinion!
Possibly my fave TPS ever!! Frankly not for the detail of the effort, but for the palpable sense of frustration, despair, anger, hope, disbelief… to name but a few emotions on show. Great to see someone I consider to be a bit of an expert in the whole ‘guitar stuff’ field appear to exhibit the same feelings of doom as I do when I think ‘have I bitten off too much here?’ Kudos Mick., especially for sticking with it (and not taking it out on the dog 😉 Despite having only so far heard it on an iPad Pro I can discern a difference. Definitely not night and day, more like night 2 hours before dawn and one hour before dawn. I shall watch again later with better audio kit
Totally relatable content. I've been contemplating a wiring change on a Hohner Professional 335 shaped guitar for a while now. Sadly, I suspect I'd have gone full Captain Caveman at 4.30pm on a Friday. Thank you Mick for making this video, the closing thoughts and playing have helped me arrive at the conclusion that I should enjoy this guitar for what it is, and I'd get more tonal millage out of spending the money on an Octave Fuzz.
I just finished mine a few days ago.. took 2 attempts to get the loom oriented correctly, and took a number of tools out of the garage to accomplish it. Shrink wrap and a butane torch are invaluable.
I watched this during breakfast with my wife this morning who asked me if that is the same reason she can hear shouting and screaming coming from my workshop sometimes! Sorry, but I was crying with laughter, (sympathetically) when you realised the pots were too short. But you didn't give up and that's the trick to learning for next time. Great vid.
Thank you for sharing your process and your frustration with us. I always feel like an absolute hack when I struggle with something that's simple on paper.
I have an ES-335 studio (no F holes) from the 80s. The pickups finally gave up from exposure to high heat and sweat. After seeing your video, thank God I had an excellent luthier for the replacement surgery! Seymour Duncan Jeff Beck and Jazz pickups. I have worn a lot of the finish off that guitar and love it to death.
Mick, thank you so much for this. It confirmed I did the right thing sending mine to my local tech. Well done on getting it done I would have finished up putting my foot through it then instantly regretted it.
I have a 335 with the T Top pickups and I just love them. They are bright but not harsh. It can do country, rock with clear note's and when you reduce your amp treble knob down to 4, and use the neck pickup, that wonderful jazz tone is there. With both pickups, you get that BB King sound. I personally will only buy a guitar with pickups i already love. Unless you buy a cheaper guitar like a Ephiphone 335 and you put Seth Lover pickups to save money over a Gibson 335. With that said the old pickups sound a little dull and the newer pickups are brighter and sound closer to my T top pickups.
Hey Mick. I’m one of three guys that build the ES models, in White wood, at the Gibson Custom Shop. I know you are very particular about details so a few things you may like to know… Gibson builds two main years (with a few small exceptions) a ‘59 and a ‘64 (not a ‘63)… and the hole in the maple Center block is called a “window “. (A detail only someone as geeky as us would appreciate)…. Also, the window was added in 1964. Love the show… I’ve watched since the beginning… love what you guys do… God Bless my friend. Tell Dan Hi from the Custom shop.
Ps… very impressive how you pushed through and got the job done. Even people here (who do this every day) has a hard time with ES style guitars. Great job, Brother.
Thank you so much Aaron! It was inspirational to visit Memphis (when it was there) and also the Nashville facility. It was Mike Voltz who showed me around and had I had the money, I’d have bought a Rusty there and then. That was the inspiration for this one. Thanks for your work Aaron!
Aaron, you guys do great work, thank you!
Asking cause you're on the inside, but I understand you may have no idea... Is there any interest from Gibson on bringing back the 333 with the LP style rear access plate?
There's only three of you? Does that include start to finish or just final assembly?
Hey Aaron, is the ‘61 not considered a catalog model then?
Please Push the management to make more ES varieties plz, ty.
You haven’t lived until you’ve rewired a 335. So relaxing…😳
A cross between dentistry, plumbing, and forestry. 😬🙅🏻♂️📺👍
So… Sooooo relaxing…😅
Dude. No way. Lol
There's absolutely nothing about this process that appeals to me as a do-it-yourself weekend adventure. Anyone who does this is a monolith of patience and dexterity.
the stress...🤮
you should give an ES-137 a shot... having the pickup selector at the top like a Les Paul makes rewiring it..... SO...MUCH....FUN
It's amazing how much younger Mick looks in the the pre-op playing samples. 😆
Hahaha!
i have never felt so represented in a youtube video. Mick sorry for all the trouble but man did it feel good to not be the only one who thinks they are undertaking a simple task with their guitar and getting to the point where you just can't handle it anymore. Great video on showing the utter frustration that guitars can be!
Yup. This is me w Guitar Amps for sure!
mental preparation is the key, you can't be thinking about something else or getting angry at inanimate objects. (easier to say than to do for most though...)
This video has thought me a lesson, don’t buy a 335 style guitar unless I love the pickups it comes with
Or pay a guitar tech to install the pickups for you!
Yes… it is such an incredible hassle.
A 335 has to be PERFECT to even think about it.
was literally thinking this ha
HA! ...that's why I chopped the lead heading off into the oblivion, and soldered the new pickup leads to them ;)
Find yourself a 333, it has a Les Paul style backplate and pickup swaps are really straightforward. They only produced them for a couple years, and they get snatched up by Blink 182 fans and modded because Tom Delonge had a signature 333 that is unobtainably priced.
This might be one of my favourite vids ever. Watching a man fight a full breakdown & I felt every second of the frustration!!! Massive effort.
Well said. So funny. Entertaining and reminded me of “Will Smith” and the Oscars. Take your damn pots and pick-ups out of my geetar. 🤣🤣🤣
It was so relatable, I had a full fledged breakdown the one and only time I did a pickup swap. And that was on an SG!
Hahahahhaha!!!
Same!
Great job staying composed and completing the job! 👏🏻
As soon as I saw the thumbnail & title I knew what to expect. Sat down with a mug of tea and some biscuits and thought 'let the fun begin'. Wasn't disappointed. From 7:00 I just grinned all the way. Over time, I've swapped out three looms & pickups from 2 '335's and a 339 - custom wound Wizz Paf replica's, Bareknuckle Mules and SD Pearly Gates, if anyone is interested. You seriously almost have to be in a zen state of calmness to attempt this job. But the end result is what its all about. I now have three hollow body's with three seperate sound colours. Was it worth it? 100%. The biggest suprise was the Mules. Hadn't heard them in a '335 but they just kicked the package up a level more than the others. Won't be doing it again, though.
Mick, I applaud your willingness to experiment with trial and error for an International audience. You're teaching countless budding guitar techs valuable lessons, including perhaps the most important: frustration is real, but can be circumvented. Thanks for your work, per usual. Good job. 335 sounds fantastic.
Thanks Aaron! Here’s //not// how to do it. Hahahaha!
The new pickups certainly add clarity and brightness. That being said, I actually slightly prefer the original ones.
I like to see that video of him putting it all back to its original state agree.. it's too shrill now
Absolute mad lad for stating that out after that odyssey 😂
The Gibsons are louder and bassier which always sounds ‘better’ in sound comparisons and in music stores (and something that RUclips gear demoers know all about). Ask a producer or a mix engineer though, and they’ll tell you they don’t want all the flub. What they want is the articulation…. Which is what I wanted, and why I prefer the new pickups. Cheers!
@@ThatPedalShow Very interesting. I agreed with his comment, but as you say the the sound of the new pick ups and loom is better defined.
@@ThatPedalShow Yêah 👍
The sparkle and clarity in the new ones got me. Love em much more than the originals. Congrats Mick!
Thanks for taking us along on your journey! I loved the playing at the end.
I was actually surprised at the differences, as I wasn't expecting too much.
Thank you for transparently showing the struggle of this project! Given your experience doing these type of swaps, it will prevent less experienced operators from damaging their stuff and is also a shared experience for anyone who has had challenges on similar tasks.
And lots of kudos that you showed all that frustration and modesty, and never once seemed embarrassed to show it to the world.
Once saw Trogly show a neat little trick to avoid all that fishing the pots in and out hassle: he ties thread 🧵 around the shafts before dropping them inside the body. That way you can just pull each thread through the respective holes and fish the pots back up in no time. Works for the pickup leads, or the jack as well
Oh man, I feel the pain. And still you managed to keep pushing onward. Congrats on your endurance
Mick, I felt your pain so much on this one that I had to pause halfway through and go and get a glass of wine! 🍷 I could actually hear a difference (albeit a small one) and really appreciate that you gave us some examples in the context of some tracks. Take a bow, Sir!
Thank you Roger. This was an exponentially large amount of ‘work’ hahahah!
You can always put the old ones back in :)
This was a lesson in perseverance. Nice work Mick!
I've experienced so many different emotions watching this video, you're a champion Mick
The building rage and frustration seen in this video is quite possibly the funniest and relatable thing I’ve seen this year. I would love to see the outtakes. You have the patience of a saint.
The new bridge pickup is just what it needed! It’s got that edge you were probably looking for!! Great result Mick!
Your patience knows no bounds. The amount of nonchalance with which you tell us "I'm so angry I could smash the thing to bits." Good on you!
Love the pet cameos as well. Luckily you did the soldering at work, otherwise the cats would sense your intense concentration, and would *love* to cause some ill-timed mischief.
I went through the same emotions you went through when rewiring mine with push-pull pots, and I had a window in the cavity to work with! Working on an ES’ electronics takes nearly an act of God. Congrats on pulling through. It took me 4 days but I finally got through as well and it is glorious. Just left with a lot pride and crippling guitar PTSD.
Wow Mick! I was relaxed when I started watching … I think I will need a vacation after this! Love the show, cheers to you & Dan!
Nice one Mick! Your trials, frustration and ultimate triumph made for a very enjoyable film - and informative, as always.
I can relate to this whole experience in a very real way! Love the new p/u's! They're choice and have so much clarity!
Thanks Blake!
What a good video Mick!!! I swapped pus on my Gretsch…mine did not work at the end… I will NEVER try it ever again!!! It is one hell of a task… but you persevered and were successful!!! Much respect Mick,speaks volumes to your character,a man of many talents you are,bloody good show mate!!!
Really appreciate the effort and struggles you went for to make such an in-depth video. Both sets of pickups sound great to me although can definitely hear a difference
Great job, Mickolas. And thanks for your honesty too. Appreciate it.
Cleaner and more defined sound is what I hear. Nice upgrade Mick!!
I hope Monty's and other techs give you a kickback on all the work you've just (deservedly) sent their way 😀
My revelation about money 'saved' versus quality of job was a few years back, I'd way rather pay a pro now. Much like how I feel when clients ask if their family can sing at our gigs....
Especially since he's helping them continue the scam of special tone capacitors. Shameful!
I think what I admire most about this is the perseverence alongside the honesty and admission of near-failure. Many, many people (probably myself included) would have given up and packed it off to Monty's long before you considered that might be your only option. To me the new pick-ups sound more "you" in the sense that the smile that grew across your face when playing them was a reflection of the inner satisfaction of "yup, that's a sound". Huge thanks for showing every painful bit of the process, and for producing yet another insight into the perils of tone-hunting, whilst also proving, sometimes it's worth the pain!
Man, epic work! I love the adventure and honesty in your vlog to whatever ends! it's all about the journey....
Enjoyable lesson Mick, thanks for letting us know what a royal pain in the arsse it is to change the wiring harness on a ES-335
Love the Lollar imperials. I have the normal wind bridge in several guitars, but I’ve been thinking about doing low winds in my 335. Thanks for another great video, Mick!
Appreciate you taking the time out to highlight the subjectivity of guitar tone, absolutely true.
With that in mind I'm a huge fan of Lollar's too, the guys over there are great folks and the pickups sound insane!
You're a legend Mick, not an easy task! I'm sure there are many of us who have avoided it due to the limited number of quality video tutorials out there. Nothing worse than seeing an expert making it appear like a simple 30 minute task, when in fact the existing loom won't even fit through the f-hole without a tremendous struggle. This has given me the confidence to give this one a crack.
If ever there was a "beware, don't try this at home" warning, this was it. Thank you for taking some stress and multiple swear words away from my life. 👍🤟😎
What a colossal difference. Reminds me of why I put the same pickups in my LP. The clarity, articulation, and note separation are night and day between the two. Been waiting for this video for a while and it did not disappoint. Thanks, Mick, if for nothing else than confirming I should never work on my 335-style guitars. And the beautiful shots of Those Pedal Pets!
The difference at the end was like night and day to me. Love the new loom and pickups I thought the guitar sounds much clearer now! What a brilliant video Mick, the story of the pure frustration was so completely relatable and genuinely inspiring that you took a day, slept on it and made it to the end!!
Love these videos and new pick ups sounds brilliant there is just that more clarity coming from them
HUGE difference. Much more air to my ears, sounds great Mick. Sincerely hope it was worth the pain!
"The Gentle Barking of a Distant Labrador" is a great song name!
the old ones sound a little muddy to me but the true revelation for my ears is the open string to string articulation... lovely! thanks for sharing another adventure in tone.
I applaud your candor here Mick. And so much more fun to watch than do.
Dear Santa. Please send Mick a magnetic scredriver and a packet of rubber bands to help him pull the pots through.
As much as I love your playing, I love when you boys stretch out and get down deep like this. It's just a great way to spend Friday at work, but it is so much better than that!
Has to be one of my favourite TPS videos. Have so often found myself at the point of wanting to smash whatever guitar related thing I've been toiling with, it's hugely refreshing seeing another highlight the struggle. Red light fever's bad enough tracking guitars for recording let alone taking them apart for nightmare service jobs on camera - top job!
They call them F-holes for the word you say a lot whilst rewiring a guitar with them.
I changed the SD59 pickups and loom in my Eastman T184MX for a set of Montys Retrowinds. When I say 'I changed...' I mean Dave Farmiloe unsoldered my dirty secret of a bodge job and made good. Night[mare] and day better thanks to his skills.
Hahaha! Nice one Steve!
The new setup sounds great. There's something tighter about it, but without losing bass response. And you seem to have your shimmer. Very nice.
Oh man. This was hilarious! 😂 I like the new pickups! Really cool vibe!
I did this to my bandmate's and my 335 back to back all with lock washers. Instead of tubing, I used long pieces of neon green sewing thread tied to each pot shaft and a nut on the back side of the jack. Somewhat easier
Waxed dental floss is what I've used in past jobs. I found it stronger & less likely to slip than plain thread...
I seem to remember I used malleable thin green gardening wire. It definitely needs that method from the get go. Knobs off, attach the wire, fishing line, whatever to the pot necks then undo the nuts and pull the harness out, making sure you don’t pull the guide wires through… doh!
Seymour Duncan Seth Lover PAF's, for me they beat Lollars Imperial range and Bare Knuckles. However any swap from the original Gibbo pickups is going to help. I took the pickups from my Gibson ES345 and dropped them into a Strat. They work very well there, as it happens!
Tried a bunch of the boutique stuff, the only one I like better than the Seth Lovers are the Fralin Pure Pafs! But indeed, Seth Lovers are amazing!
yep, did the same on my 335: seth lovers, and 500k pots. so much better now.
Excellent video. I enjoy doing work on amps, guitars and pedals, but there are frustrating times. Cheers on keeping the humor going. Your playing is excellent as always.
Good job, Mick! I've been there (twice on the same guitar). The new harness and pickups sound great, mission accomplished!
A purring cat always helps
Post vid thoughts: I can understand why you might prefer the new set up. The transient (Attack) is a little sharper, there is less bass and a higher main mid frequency and this I think is more the type of thing you go for. Personally I prefer a softer attack and overall I preferred the Memphis pick ups but as you say there is no better as tone is so subjective.
RUclips compression.....
@@davidtomkins4242 I'm not sure the point you are trying to make?
I like a no-load pot, best of both worlds.
You really should be calling it "That Pickup Show" for these episodes. Love a good guitar tinker. 👌
Love these long-form vlogs, keep up the great work and be well.
Coffee ready, hoping for no power tool anxieties!
Woo!
@@ThatPedalShow Oh man, I felt all the feels in this video! I don't know what happened when the camera was off, but I imagine you handled it better than I would/have during similar situation/debacles. But hey, the results were stellar! I think better tone and articulation. Thanks for sharing!
Liked the old ones
Thank you for that! I’m so glad you left in all the frustration that you were going through with the harness. It was awesome to see that it wasn’t just me. 😅
Mick - I’m happy I’m not the only one that has experienced this level of frustration mid-project! Pickups sound really nice and I think were worth it!
Now we know why it’s called an F-Hole
Hahahah!
Ha ha this brought back some uncomfortable memories Mick! 😱🤣well done for persevering against all odds and getting the job done without an access hole... sorry to have given you false hope, we now know for sure that not all 335's are created equal and that Matt's earth wiring is very pretty but a complete 🤬
Ha! And thanks for the video. It gave me hope. Hahaaha!
Fair play even attempting this. Looks incredibly hard and delicate operation.
Only halfway through and I just want to give Mick a big hug!
I heard they made people do ES wirings and pick up swaps in Guantanamo.
Oooof!
An old fable about a young man, in his search for that perfect tone, visits his local guitar shop and trades in his amp for a new one. A couple of months later he goes into the shop to buy some strings and hears someone playing in the back of the store. He runs to the back declaring that is the tone I am looking for only to find someone playing the amp he traded in. The search is endless.
What a great episode! I was considering replacing the pots in my ES-339. Now, I am convinced that I will mess it up (probably not going to stop, though). And yes, I think many here can relate to that sense of anger and frustration when something that seems simple turns out to be such a pain. But, delighted that you went through with it and figured it out -- that guitar sounds gorgeous!
This was hilarious! As someone who started a pickup swap on an ES style/F-hole guitar about a year ago, that is still hanging unfinished in my workshop - I can totally relate!
Mick, your frustration was visceral and palpable -- and way too relatable. I've modded many, many guitars and basses, and the one notable failure was my attempt to install a set of Duncan P-Rails (and a coil-splitting tone pot) in my Dean Boca semi-hollow electric 12. The three biggest issues were the original wiring (which included a multi-pin plug assembly for the pickups), the narrow f-hole, and the shallow body cavity. After two days (seemed longer) my frustration was off the charts and I threw in the towel. Am truly glad you were ultimately successful with the 335. Congrats!
I feel bad for enjoying this utter frustration so much, but I did. The editing is incredible (Rosie affirmation included) and we all love a happy ending. Kudos for the effort!
When I clicked on this video I thought it was gonna be the installion of old and new pick ups then comparison. What I got out of it was a dogged determination to get done what u set out to do while at the same time knowing at any time u could quit or hand over to the guitar shop and u chose to stay with it. The tones were a just bonus to the video. Well done and thank you
Great video, l was rooting for you all the way. Well done for hanging in there and working it out. I think it's made a significant difference. The instrument has a lot more "presence" and will cut through in a live mix. Nice playing too.
My 335 is a really nice tobacco sunburst from the early 70's. It's one of the rare ones with the coil tap switch on the lower horn. It makes the guitar so versatile. A great attribute for a guitar to have when l was a pro freelance musician.
Love your channel Mick.
Mate...this was reeeeally worth the hustle! Bravo!
The upgrade is a success. A beautiful rich sound. Well done.
Ya we feel you, we've been there! and those who haven't yet will be at some point! Enjoy the peace hero, it sounds great
Oh man, I so so relate … rewiring my ES 137 was a similar drama and it gave me loads of respect for the techs who do these things on a routine basis.
Great video, Mick. I could hear a marked difference in clarity and responsiveness in the new pickups and loom vs. the original pickups and loom, especially on the neck position. I know this was a very long and frustrating process, but I think, in the end, it was worth it. Cheers from central Georgia (U.S.)
Unbelievably awesome editing, mate!
Here I was thinking this would be a relaxing video 😂 nail biting thriller ensued.
New pickups sound terrific. Love the clarity and sparkle.
I was screaming encouraging words at the screen, following the suspense and then you do an edit leaving out those moments of triumph as the control pots fall into place. Would really like to have seen those moments, but cheers for perseverance!
I can’t hold the camera and two pairs of tweezers! And screw nuts on and and and and and.
Your guitar has officially arrived!! Beautiful tonal upgrade!! I can see the inspiration on your face!!
Hi guys I am using a very versatile guitar that does it all . A telly, rose wood neck, old style fender humbucker split pole pieces, standard single coil bridge. Adjusted so humbucker and single coil have equal output. This gives you 3 tones for jazz, funk, rock, and a lot of bass boost.
I know the process was terribly frustrating, but to my ears the new loom and pickups have given that guitar new life! The absolute clarity is astonishing, but without sacrificing what I hear to be the “voice” of that guitar. Time well spent in my opinion!
Well done and very informative. Sorry it was such a hassle, but glad I know that now before embarking on the endeavor myself.
Possibly my fave TPS ever!! Frankly not for the detail of the effort, but for the palpable sense of frustration, despair, anger, hope, disbelief… to name but a few emotions on show. Great to see someone I consider to be a bit of an expert in the whole ‘guitar stuff’ field appear to exhibit the same feelings of doom as I do when I think ‘have I bitten off too much here?’
Kudos Mick., especially for sticking with it (and not taking it out on the dog 😉
Despite having only so far heard it on an iPad Pro I can discern a difference. Definitely not night and day, more like night 2 hours before dawn and one hour before dawn. I shall watch again later with better audio kit
Totally relatable content. I've been contemplating a wiring change on a Hohner Professional 335 shaped guitar for a while now. Sadly, I suspect I'd have gone full Captain Caveman at 4.30pm on a Friday. Thank you Mick for making this video, the closing thoughts and playing have helped me arrive at the conclusion that I should enjoy this guitar for what it is, and I'd get more tonal millage out of spending the money on an Octave Fuzz.
I just finished mine a few days ago.. took 2 attempts to get the loom oriented correctly, and took a number of tools out of the garage to accomplish it. Shrink wrap and a butane torch are invaluable.
I watched this during breakfast with my wife this morning who asked me if that is the same reason she can hear shouting and screaming coming from my workshop sometimes! Sorry, but I was crying with laughter, (sympathetically) when you realised the pots were too short. But you didn't give up and that's the trick to learning for next time. Great vid.
Mick, small tip, try some reverse tweezers. They grip until you press on them. Any small increment of making things easier can be helpful.
MrDblStp Forceps.
I'll second this, they can be a lifesaver.
Thank you for sharing your process and your frustration with us. I always feel like an absolute hack when I struggle with something that's simple on paper.
I have an ES-335 studio (no F holes) from the 80s. The pickups finally gave up from exposure to high heat and sweat. After seeing your video, thank God I had an excellent luthier for the replacement surgery! Seymour Duncan Jeff Beck and Jazz pickups. I have worn a lot of the finish off that guitar and love it to death.
Mick, thank you so much for this. It confirmed I did the right thing sending mine to my local tech. Well done on getting it done I would have finished up putting my foot through it then instantly regretted it.
Well worth the effort! Impressive perseverance! Thanks!
Killer tone with the new pickups A LOT more clarity and sparkle with the lollars love the toen
Having done a few semi and full hollowbody pickup and loom swaps, I can TOTALLY feel your pain.
I have a 335 with the T Top pickups and I just love them. They are bright but not harsh. It can do country, rock with clear note's and when you reduce your amp treble knob down to 4, and use the neck pickup, that wonderful jazz tone is there. With both pickups, you get that BB King sound. I personally will only buy a guitar with pickups i already love. Unless you buy a cheaper guitar like a Ephiphone 335 and you put Seth Lover pickups to save money over a Gibson 335.
With that said the old pickups sound a little dull and the newer pickups are brighter and sound closer to my T top pickups.
Your hypothesis was 100% right. Way less bloat and more clarity. Felt more percussive in a really pleasant way too. Great job!