The amount of realism that was put into the us military gear, the way they had them putting the float bridge together accurately, and the way the M2’s barrel recoiled as it fired, damn beautifully made
As a tank enthusiast and a person who also thinks that Abrams battle scene doesnt make sense, what makes the least sense to me in this series is the fact that humans didn't think of using Exoframes for military applications for a whole freaking year. Dude, it's free technology. Everybody's going to give it a try. Especially major world militaries.
They were probably already researching it but they haven't released a prototype in public yet. Our Mc is a common soldier and even he knows how good it would be.
@@miming3679 I mean it's not that great if you have to be exposed while using it. The MOMENT they climbed out of the water the ambushers should have all been dead from HE or Cannister shells and massed machine gun fire from the coaxial guns and the mounted M2s and 240s.
I'm genuinely impressed to see that they actually animated the M2's barrel recoiling like it actually does IRL. I'm also impressed that a platoon of Abrams in reverse with the crews firing their M2s and M240s couldn't defend themselves from the mechs, and that the gunners kept firing the main gun instead of switching to the coaxial, or, hell, firing some high-explosive against exposed targets. Great work on the intricate details, annoying failings due to contrieved plot reasons.
There's a lot of detail in this series that sells its "realistic war aproach". Also it seemed the Abrams were ambushed from all sides from a considerable force of highly mobile mechanized infantry who had enough explosives to take out tanks. Those points and the fact that this seems to be the 1st battle of modern developed forces vs cheap and efficient mechs, the ambushers have most of the advantages as they probably already know how tanks fight, as compared to the Americans who are fighting these for the 1st time. I will agree we should've seen more ambushers casualties (though we do see them, just more would've been nice). This was more or less an example of when warfare started to change. Like that moment in ww1 where they found out the hard way that traditional calvary charges were not gonna cut it in modern war.
@@jaromswenson7541 "Traditional" military units vs. NeXT Generation? Difficult to determine. The detail in everything, from the com-gear, to the APC's, to all the wheeled and tracked vehicles and accompanying hardware. The makers of this fierce-festival were geeks of the 1st water when it comes to military gear art . . . et al. Love this stuff.
120 mm Canister Rounds or DPHEFS would work too also just drop a few frags in the water every now and then just like good-ol dynamite fishing...crap plot armor.
Hey man, I totally hear you, I’d like to say though that it’s not unheard of for tanks to move to support positions on their own or with less company. Also, I agree with the commander sending LAV’s into the water being pretty dumb, the scene mostly works because of that support failure (/idiot order that could happen). When I think of this whole scene happening in the scope of say five minutes some of it may be a stretch but I don’t think all of it is if you can accept a stupid order as a realistic possibility (one that hopefully wouldn’t happen) and also then consider the armored units moving autonomously. Going back a moment, it’s not unheard of to have tanks move/cut through wide swaths of land to get places, in terms of Angola and Cabinda and the lay out it’s not as unrealistic a notion as you may think, particularly with few obstacles exempting that river. I don’t know what accompanying support/engineering size/amounts of units would be for the undetermined number of tanks but your certainly right they ideally/likely wouldn’t have been as passive/absent as they were. The only greatly unrealistic thing in and of itself in this whole scene to me is the idea (assuming this hasn’t been solved) that any vehicle would tread anywhere in Angola/Cabinda at all off road, the place is laid with an incredible amount of landmines, so much so it’s decimated wildlife populations and is nearly incalculable in density and spread (alternatively, if we assume the mine problem has been addressed this point becomes moot but if not, it’s hella risky depending on who mined it and when, this includes a high amount soviet anti-tank mines that have a special heat [and I believe lead mechanism] that has a high kill ratio against current armor. However if this mining situation wasn’t solved this tank scene would be totally explained by a. An overconfidence send the armor attitude “we’re fucking indestructible” and b. No way Jose you have a lot of support). Now we can go back and forth on this hypothetical but that’s moot because the whole things from a pretty creative anime but I wanted to take a moment and say, it’s a stretch but I don’t believe it’s that much of a stretch. It also makes sense that the Angolans would retrofit their available anti tank mines. Overall though I appreciate your comment I think it’s hella informative, I’m here mostly adding to the discussion, please feel free reply and I hope that my reply adds some more interesting variables to the discussion. Unfortunately much of this info was only implicitly covered in the anime, kudos to the directors for doing their research. I would very much enjoy knowing how you feel this affects the combat feasibility of the scene. Btw, I’m on my phone too so bear with me.
@@shatara42 >Also forgets bullets can't go through water. >Where most of enemies are hiding. A fellow 4Chan greentext poster I see. ;D m, a, b, or Pol?
ikr? I can see them work in this shown like ambush style attack but against a prepared tank column that is prepared for combat and knows what to expect, no chance. The exoskelleton drivers arent even armored, they are just free on the back of it.
One thing I find interesting is the idea on how useful mechs would be on the battlefield. In a lot of ways they're just suped up infantry. The biggest force multipliers out there are communications and situational awareness tech, Mechs don't really impact those. Don't get me wrong mechs would be a force multiplier for sure, but I don't see them significantly changing the way battles are fought.
@@LMGunslinger agreed, even the armored ones shown latter on are taken down by .50 cals and only seem to carry slightly heavier weapons (in terms of anti tank firepower). essentially they would function like Humvees do in the US military. other than that though. What i could see them being great for though is supporting airborne forces. judging from the first video, it apears you can cram 2-3 of them in the same space taken up by one humvee for (possibly)similar weight .
@@jdgoesham5381 honestly not surprised how youre not nitpicking since youre into 40k where nothing makes sense lol. but for real, abrams (down armored and misses every shot, where is the targeting system) vs bipedal mechs with no tactics = mech win... i cant enjoy. even if its alien tech, theres no obvious shielding, even if its alien metals that are super strong, theres bound to be some kind of kinetic force behind a 120mm impacting your mech. i just cant... theres also no infantry assisting the armor along with its escorts the IFV's. obviously this is just a scene from an anime that came from a country thats stood outside of combat for what seems to be forever... but damn, im not in the military and i can google things lol. Yes, im shitting on Japan for this one lol. Yes, i like anime and japan so dont get so butt hurt for nitpicking. Not everyone is going to enjoy everything :v
@TimVang-oq5vq hey Warhammer40k lore is hard to understand for new players and yes lore does change in the dumbest ways, but most people would use the older lore more then the newer ones because it make the most sense. Some people would nitpick on which lore would be better then others and go by that lore.
Normally, people like to emerge themselves in the story to enjoy the story. Relate and submerge into the story to get full experience. When the story doesn't make sense, you can't relate to the story. Can't emerge into the story. No fun. People are not brainless receptacles for information while watching anime. All that color flashing in front of my face can't distract me enough to not notice a frauded storyline.
Me parece Maravilloso que se tomaran la molestia de doblar el audio a tantos idiomas incluido el español latinoamerica, Me siento Honrado.. Muchas Gracias de verdad
How ironic I stumble across this and happened to be on M1a1s for four years in the Marines, Second Tank Battalion. Yeah no, this ain't even close to how we would've handled this engagement.
@@flapjack6495 There's alot to unpack so I'll try to keep it short and sweet. 1) The Lav-25 is a recon vehicle. While it can fight with the 25mm Bushmaster, that's not it's job. It's job is to scout and relay information to other assets. It never would have left its position to engage the mechs. If it absolutely had to fight it could do it from a reasonable range with the optics it has. They wouldn't have jumped into the water. They would've seen the bridge get blown up and seen the mechs climbing on it. No self respecting commander would order his vehicle into the water. Instead, they would have sent information up to other assets like fast air or rotors. Trust me, we never have support far behind. Infantry would actually have been on those bridge laying boats. They'd be contributing to the fight as well. 2) The tanks. When it comes to being able to actually engage targets, we can do it at far ranges day and night. The FCS on the Abrams would easily be able to lead and engage the mechs. In the open and with a whole damn platoon? There'd be so much goddamn coax and anti personnel fire. Would you want to charge tanks in the open with nothing but swim trunks on an open top mech? Those mechs were not moving fast enough. As for the times they hopped on tanks. Other tanks would've done a manuever we call "Scratching your wingman's back." That means another tank would swing its gun onto you and use coax to sweep infantry off. I'm doing this on phone so it's a little difficult, but that's about the jist of it. The engagement made the Abrams look like an armored storm trooper. If there's a platoon of tanks somewhere you can be damned sure they're looking for a fight. Nobody would be taking those mechs for granted.
@@shirghazaycowboys wow thanks for that info! I I get that it's an anime so theres always suspension of disbelief but it seemed almost comical also isn't the Abrams hard to destroy? Would it make more sense for the mechsto try to get underneath them and detonate?
@@flapjack6495 The Abrams is a tough SOB, but it has weaknesses the same as any normal contemporary NATO tank. The side armor is alright, but it's not as good as the front. What makes it potent is the FCS and ergonomics. That is, crew survivability and other nuances that make operating it relatively easy with good training. Honestly, this was a poor argument for why the mechs were good. On flat open terrain this engagement should've gone to the tanks. Yeah they may have lost whatever was on the bridge, but once everyone was rallied and aware of what was going on? No, those mechs would be fucked. The moment the net opened up with "We re being attacked! They're using the bipedal walkers on us!" Every supporting asset would be barreling down on that position. If the engagement had been in a dense city or somewhere really built up? Okay fine. This scene was just mech wank, plain and simple. There have been plenty of well written pieces on why mechs aren't the end all be all and why tanks will always have a place on the battlefield.
@@shirghazaycowboys mind recommending some of those written pieces ? And a urban setting makes more sense like those neighborhoods in Brazil I would love to see some well thought-out fight scenes with a mech vs a tank but whatever thanks for the insight !
If you saw an abrahams in close grouping like that, even if u're in a speedy exosuit. You better be sure you have god tier movement speed. Canister shells are not a joke. They're made for a reason.
While the specific tactics are wrong (I'm just an enthusiast, and even I recognized how odd it was that the Marines didn't bring any infantry, perhaps the single most effective weapon against a pilot in an exposed frame like that), I like the general gist. The EXOFRAME isn't really a better weapon, it's a cheaper one. It can project more power, with less training, for almost no money. That would change the face of war, very quickly.
Also the idea of a Marine, of all people, complaining that their equipment is too good is fucking hysterical. My brother's weapon platoon in ~2011 was rolling around in AAVs that were made in the 1960s.
@@NautilusSSN571 It is something recent (But i do now know if they actually did it, i only just heard about them wanting to retire the tanks), the episode takes place in 2015 when such a thing was not even being thought about.
Rather questionable metrics if this qualifies as a "Very good story". As far as I can tell, from what I've seen, this show has nothing but setup. You get a black ops mission at the first episode then it's a bunch of prequels and world building for the rest. What does the series wanna do with it? Fuck if I know. The show just walked away after that. I imagine the show didn't have the budget to make a payoff because this thing spends a lot of its animation on firefights. Animating those atop of the detail being consistent costs a lot of cash. Most likely this is just to test the waters and YT cheaped out.
The amount of care that went into the military realism kind of makes the weird inaccuracies more stark. None of the unprotected charging mechs should have survived the ammount of firepower that several Abrams platoons can bring to bear. This goes especially because they were able to gather in a defensive line. The only reason the mechs weren't cut down immediately is because of the stormtrooper level accuracy displayed by the crews.
this is actually genius on the alien part, i believe why they're willing to trade the suit for something so abundant and near worthless like limestone to human is because the suit must be a cheap exosuit not intended for combat, but more like a wheelchair to aid the disabled. yet to us human it is something so revolutionary and versatile, a mechanical robot that can be piloted with same grace of that of human body yet with possibly ten or hundred time normal human strength. with that in mind military application is inevitable and smaller nation with no nuke will tear each other apart first with these new machine and then larger superpower will follow. thus, when humanity is weakened through war, the alien will descend from their ship with the REAL military grade exosuit that will outclass everything the human have... in the end we will be the sucker of our own nature
Yea, i wrote that before in a comment. Romans called that "Divide Et Impera". And the brits practiced this quite a lot in history, well not exactly like shown here, but close.
Nah. I can see it as an experiment from the aliens. Like what would the humans do if they had such technology. Kinda similar how we do studies on other organisms
the funniest thing is that in TVtropes they put the trope: "Reality is Unrealistic" as a measure that this could happened based on reality lmao, despite there's no basis of reality whatsoever in this scene
“How did the bots win?” “Well, even though they were highly exposed, both the bots and the pilots, somehow we kept missing all our shots! And also we were out of grenades, high explosive and any sort of easily expandable ammo to riddle the whole battlefield with bullets. Also it seems the bots are magic since with such small frames they have power to last, capabilities to carry multiple passengers, strength, speed, maneuverability, perfect balance for bipedal constructs and decent armor. All in all, if this were fiction, people would be saying we lost due to plot necessities”. Unless you say the “sci-fi” of a story also has fantasy (magic, etc…) elements, everything is bound by the same laws of physics we are.
Lol yup thought the same thing. Not to mention tanks are somewhat sparse these days. You rarely hear about any Abram tanks in the Middle East. It’s all air strikes and drone strikes. Real scenario would be 2 f22s or f35s going Mach 2 over the battlefield milliseconds before they level it with missiles. Or drone strikes which put no US lives in danger. Or or intercontinental missile strikes.
I agree with everything but the capabilities of the machine point. I think it’s entirely possible that there some super material and possibly future more efficient concepts being used with said materials. I mean we have plenty of almost super materials with amazing properties that the limiting factor is ability to produce and put to use. I think Graphene is one of them, a lot of potential just not with in our reach. Space faring and trading aliens got a pretty good R&D head start on us tbh
10:32 The animation focuses a lot on detail and realism, which is why the Marine floating face down in the water despite wearing full body armor kind of stands out
Dude... Theres a dude sitting on the back of a walking and running machine and controls it to the smallest detail? How? This just looks retarded. Dude is firing an rpg while this thing is running. How shaky would that be It just is so dumb
@@kloschuessel773 I mean, terrorists have been doing that same kindof thing from technicals for a long time. The trick isn't to be accurate, it to be just outside of detonation range and lucky
So I show to my friend. we both love the story so far, but the choppy animation of people vs the smooth CGI of the machines was disappointing. We hope it gets better in season 2.
It makes sense because of the fact the suits are supposed to augment your physical abilities so from an animation stand point lowering the frame rate of people makes the mechs seem more capable kinda like how into the spider verse lowers miles frame rate when they run from the lab until peter shows him how to web swing and the animation framrate for miles starts to mach that of peters
Those thing would last 5 minutes an fight with just regular infantry, exposed rider like that would be dead form, rifle fire, 40MM, AT-4, fragmentation or hell a flash bang would stop them. 4 M1A2 would just use HEAT-MP air burst, canister shot or just normal HE.
@@Man-with_a-crooked_glance No an M1A2 turret can traverse 360 in under 5 seconds, that's with the gun being linked, unlined its faster as the computer dose it
issue being you gotta switch from main to coax and its alot more thinking to switch fire modes then it is to continue engaging with main. so its pretty realistic to see in the chaos of battle.
@@colson3050 Yeah no, any gunner worth their salt who has been in training for any period of time will have switched to Coax. Given maybe the first shot he would have fire cannon as thats what he has selected. But after first shot they would have had tank commander called switch and he'd be switched.
@@codyhawkcaster4671 Cause well facing a weapon not seen before a commander and gunner are going to stop loading the main armerment and go to coax in the hopes of killing the exsuits well also going like 70km in reverse? bro this engagement lasted less then 30 seconds for most these tanks calling bullshit on anyone who thinks a tank crew can react to unknown weapons and decided on a change of fire mode.
@@colson3050 So you're telling me at no point after the aliens publically visit earth does the US military brief its troops at all on ways to fight this new threat that the US Military itself has access too along with, to their knowledge, every enemy combatant could also have access to. And at no point did they immediately run training to teach how to deal with this?
2 episodes in and they already mentioned anime twice.. i like it.. anyway it seems all robot is not as useless as they think, they all have potential to be a military weapon just like those farmer robots.. and also they are so cheap for a futuristic robot, and why aliens need limestone with expensive trade like that..? i guess i need to finish this series..
Supposedly its intende duse is for disabled people But you know us we will always find a way to weaponize anything and this is well so futuristic powerful cheap bullet proof but to those aliens they see it so useless and not needed like there pure on useless to the aliens and just sold it for limestone cause they probably dont have such thing as limestone or is a luxury to them and because that happend the aliens are somehqat breaking economy for trading this type of tecj for litteral stone you can find in your backyard
@@Appreciation-Community ya but later they set it in our universe which was a big mistake I prefer the old one especially since Puddle of Mudd lives on in it lol.
@@rc59191 that was just one spinoff that we pretend doesn't exist 6 and 7 are in "Strangereal" which is the same universe as 1 2 3 4 5 0 6 7. And you're goddammit right about Puddle of Mudd.
Not sure why they didn’t have infantry support. Normal for mechanized units to have infantry attachments to help protect it. I know it’s an animation but food for thought though.
I’m laughing at you because you think tanks are this accurate under attack 🤣 The Allied forces in Iraq expend 250,000 rounds of ammunition for ever killed insurgent. Battlefield accuracy is absurdly low. Nobody hits anything in war.
@@GeahkBurchill U compare 90s and early 2000s with 2020 and this movie is shoving something like 2030-2040. Plus this tanks user great tactic. Move back, stop for shot and then move again. From distance of 200-400m this mechas would be to easy target for so big fire power like 6 m.guns and 3 guns shooting HE amo. Now USArmy will be have even more effective HE amo which u can program before shot. All of that telling me that this mechas would be easy targets in open space.
@@zaqwerty22 no, this show takes place in an alternate 2012-2023. And you’re hilariously wrong about the accuracy in battle. Maybe you imagine great hit rates on a range but the real world to totally different.
@@GeahkBurchill LOL, u that object moving with spread around 50km/h and most on straight line like they did, is so difficult to hit? They have no cover, no armour ect. Better check how looked desert storm fights between tanks and how fast western tanks were destroyed T-72. From this distance 200-400m it's impossible not to hit at least few of this mechas. U live in fantasy world if u think that so slow target won't be hired from that distance. HE ammo don't even need to hit. Shock wave and shrapnels will do the job for people who have 0 protection. U want to try? Stand 5 meters from explosives and make it explode. But before that make last will. This scenario is totally unrealistic and u won't convince me it's true and realistic. Insurgents fight in Urbana area and not head to head with tanks LOL. So stupid example.
@@zaqwerty22 bullets are small. Even tank shells are small. The single operators on EXOframes are small, and everyone is in motion on bumpy terrain. Apply the Inverse square law to all projectiles and you’ll quickly see why in a real battle every hit is a practical miracle. Even with explosives and shrapnel. Actual battlefield statistics are abysmal. But I’m done talking to you. Go to war and find out, kiddo.
The tanks and guns are all so well-detailed. But the way the mechs win is questionable, the users of the mechs are exposed as hell but somehow didn't get shot, and they used RPGs to take out the Abrams?
I love how these Marines are all the worst kind of movie Marine apparently, since no US tanker would forget they have 3 rounds of canister, which would rape these anyone not behind solid cover. Plus the LAVs 25mm would be best used thumping rounds at anything that moves, with machineguns used to cut down closer in targets. I mean hell, my old Army Mech Battalion was poorly lead, but we would have wrecked those idiots if they charged like that!
ScribeTheGrey agreed. If anything this tactic would work as a surprise but the operators of the mechs were very exposed and easy targets for machine gun fire
@@outrider425 yeah I agree, the tank kept rolling after that. Although, I think the killed happened when they were backing up really far. They probably got hit by a large IED or something since there was a large explosion
This show is an unexpected surprise. Great show so far. I like the detail. They've clearly taken 3D models and then 2D'd the action. I'm totally ok with that. Ha.
It wasn't a cheap bomb, it was an IED made of 5 155mm arty shells, each packed with an extra 1000 pounds of RDX to knock out a tank. And people inside the tank survived. Another M1 loss was due to the same tactic, but it took 12 155mm shells, and a third was a 2,000 pound bomb, all hidden underground IED style. In each case, people in the tanks lived. The M1 is an actual fucking tank. It's not some Russian piece of shit which would have killed everyone inside, and also blown up itself essentially turning into a 40 ton fragmentation grenade killing people within a 900ft area.
A W did they? im aware of some experimental wanzers in FM universe using nerve connections, but im under the impression that regular wanzers are using some sort of non-neural controls, like joysticks or fancy computers
@@wyg2935 This is true for practically all Wanzers, S- and B- Devices are dead ends due to how temperamental they are (although the S-Devices had the best success overall). Even then, Wanzers get annihilated by tanks (as shown in the 2nd Hoffmann War, as the OCU's tank divisions had cut through the UCS Wanzer units like a knife through butter).
Love how everybody is talking about them getting stomped by tanks, how the army would handle it irl, but nobody is talking about how unrealistic WALKING mechs are
"Unrealistic" except for all the walking robots we've got right now, many of which are either being retooled or specifically designed for military use. Turns out DARPA (and their international equivalents) is staffed with people a fuckload smarter than internet engineers.
@@schmalettesm2069 It's also not as brutally inefficient as many are lead to believe. On the other hand, the advantages in mobility that walking provides are considered so great that actual engineers and smart people are seriously pursuing the concept. In all likelihood, a mixed propulsion unit similar to the EXOs will be what we see. A wheeled/tracked "transport" mode, and a walker mode for doing walker things.
@@schmalettesm2069 It's actually coming along very well. It's less an issue of making stuff walk, and more an issue of making stuff walk as well as living creatures with the same leg layout. As it stands, robots already walk well enough over rough and irregular terrain that basic walkers are more than possible. It also helps that brain-machine interfaces are becoming exceptionally advanced at this point; paraplegic patients are able to control medical exoskeletons with neural feedback systems that make it feel like their legs work again. It's a pretty obvious connection from that to significantly more effective walkers.
I'm a mecha enthuthiast and even I find it hard to believe the exoframes can easily take down the tanks. Should have equipped the frames more to make it more believeable. The exoframe hands should be carrying shield to protect the pilot from machine-gun fire. They also should be carrying more weapons and range explosives to deal with the tanks.
also there was no foot trooper there, if anything they would lay down fire and make sure to get crackshots out and remove the enemy troops. its a common mistake in mech gerna of making the mech the be all and know all on the battlefield. battletech show why mech are the top dogs at times because they are hard to put down even tho they are slow moving things at times, but can easily be taken out at times with careful planning and a good number of tanks that are not out in the open for the mechs to fire on them. Heavy Gear is like this anime as well and can easily be blowned up by a tank crew because they can move and fire and by having a driver and one on the gun its two minds working one unit and in turn become better for it. and god know what would have happen to those exoframe if the US troops had air support of any kind when they attacks.
Is it just me or does japanese animes always get it right when it comes to weapons (and tactics). I mean just look at that m240b with a trijicon, the lav, abrams....... the attention to detail is marvelous
But the problem lies with their military tactics. Case in point. Why would you just deploy abrams without infantry support. You're basically throwing out your most expensive equipment out the window. No tank column would be deployed without light infantry support or would be led first to role down a mobile bridge. The mech suits are not going to be the standards way of fighting wars cause the cheapest so far that the military can afford today are infantry men or special forces from the military that can do the same role without allerting everyone with in the vacinity. The only used i see of those mechs are just either shock troops or mobile infantry support. I respect them for being spot on with their sound design and etc but their lack of research about military tactics really gave me nightmares.
@@paulodepablo3649 I think what that scene was trying to prove was about Bowman's worries about just how easy it is to re purpose the EXOFRAME from a simple labor tool to a weapon, just like how easy it was to mount DShK or a self propelled gun on a pickup and turn a civilian transport into a Technical. It was more of an artistic choice. Had there been infantry, i'd have imagined the entire scene would have been trivialized with enough Marines to at least throw adequate suppressing fire at the EXOFRAME pilots to either throw them off or kill them. Granted i could see how that would have still been an interesting scene had it gone in that manner, where despite a failed attempt at destroying the entire convoy due to the adequate infantry support alongside their remaining US armor assets, the EXOFRAME users would still end up causing a sizable amount of collateral damage in order for people to see the threat the technology poses. A relatively cheap, yet sophisticated system that can be thrown at NATO at little cost in comparison to rolling out multi billion dollar tanks; Their form of war was about to become Obsolete.
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120mm smoothbore with stabilizer and computer accuracy: 20%
A hand held RPG on a shaky ride accuracy: 90%
rpg somehow managed to penetrate the gun mantlet as well
Physic/10
Remember, empire bad. Rebels gud 👌
And effects of explosion on humans underwater... 🙄
As usual, great little details with great "approximations" (sorry for my "english")
Not to mention exposed riders not being riddled with holes from the 240s and M2s
As a former combat engineer I really enjoyed watching the mfb (medium floating bridge) being deployed with 100% authenticity.
I know it's real cheesey to say this but thank you for your service. Like really, combat engineers are some baller people.
Too bad ferrying, and bridging got moved to reservist units
They should learn how to speed bridge
@alberto olivieri relax!
@@Daffaariapatya fastest way to build this bridge is to drop the segments in the water from chinook helicopters and push them into place with boats
動力ボート付きの浮橋が登場して渡河作戦！？
こんなに素晴らしいアニメがあったとは。
大変素晴らしい、ありがとうございます！
宇宙人が交換してくれる得体の知れない人型物体に武装つんだら強いんじゃねを否定するところから、ゲリラが人型であるからできる跳躍、隠密な水泳、急速な旋回、柔軟に対応できる腕などを駆使して戦術で圧倒するの好き
The amount of realism that was put into the us military gear, the way they had them putting the float bridge together accurately, and the way the M2’s barrel recoiled as it fired, damn beautifully made
Man you must know a lot
You also have soldier from tf2 as a profile XD
And then the battle starts and that all goes out the window.
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As a tank enthusiast and a person who also thinks that Abrams battle scene doesnt make sense, what makes the least sense to me in this series is the fact that humans didn't think of using Exoframes for military applications for a whole freaking year. Dude, it's free technology. Everybody's going to give it a try. Especially major world militaries.
Yeah, bureaucracy.
Military bureaucracy.
They were probably already researching it but they haven't released a prototype in public yet. Our Mc is a common soldier and even he knows how good it would be.
@@miming3679 I mean it's not that great if you have to be exposed while using it.
The MOMENT they climbed out of the water the ambushers should have all been dead from HE or Cannister shells and massed machine gun fire from the coaxial guns and the mounted M2s and 240s.
@@Orapac4142 I agree but each country improved their mechs in their own way just like in ep 1 so as to not expose the user.
Because free alien technology can actually be a trap, hence why the need to make your own tech based on their reversed-engineered tech.
I like how only the second episode got randomly recommended for me
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今の人類の技術体系でヒト型のロボット兵器は費用対効果が悪すぎて実現しないけど「宇宙人が激安（石灰岩1トン＝10USD以下）で譲ってくれる」という設定で乗り越えてくるの好き
よく考えたと思うわホント
現実では石灰岩1トンがいくらになるのか分かりませんが、くそったれなインチキ商人が出鱈目な安価であんな超高性能汎用ロボットをばらまいてしまえば、そりゃあ世界全てがおかしくなるのは当然です。確かに良くできた世界設定です。
si.
Sorry I don’t speak moon runes
Arigatoi
I'm genuinely impressed to see that they actually animated the M2's barrel recoiling like it actually does IRL.
I'm also impressed that a platoon of Abrams in reverse with the crews firing their M2s and M240s couldn't defend themselves from the mechs, and that the gunners kept firing the main gun instead of switching to the coaxial, or, hell, firing some high-explosive against exposed targets.
Great work on the intricate details, annoying failings due to contrieved plot reasons.
There's a lot of detail in this series that sells its "realistic war aproach".
Also it seemed the Abrams were ambushed from all sides from a considerable force of highly mobile mechanized infantry who had enough explosives to take out tanks. Those points and the fact that this seems to be the 1st battle of modern developed forces vs cheap and efficient mechs, the ambushers have most of the advantages as they probably already know how tanks fight, as compared to the Americans who are fighting these for the 1st time.
I will agree we should've seen more ambushers casualties (though we do see them, just more would've been nice). This was more or less an example of when warfare started to change. Like that moment in ww1 where they found out the hard way that traditional calvary charges were not gonna cut it in modern war.
@@jaromswenson7541 "Traditional" military units vs. NeXT Generation? Difficult to determine. The detail in everything, from the com-gear, to the APC's, to all the wheeled and tracked vehicles and accompanying hardware. The makers of this fierce-festival were geeks of the 1st water when it comes to military gear art . . . et al. Love this stuff.
It's Bandai, they're masters of rendering mechanisms and details. Agreed on the plot failings.
120 mm Canister Rounds or DPHEFS would work too also just drop a few frags in the water every now and then just like good-ol dynamite fishing...crap plot armor.
Hey man, I totally hear you, I’d like to say though that it’s not unheard of for tanks to move to support positions on their own or with less company. Also, I agree with the commander sending LAV’s into the water being pretty dumb, the scene mostly works because of that support failure (/idiot order that could happen). When I think of this whole scene happening in the scope of say five minutes some of it may be a stretch but I don’t think all of it is if you can accept a stupid order as a realistic possibility (one that hopefully wouldn’t happen) and also then consider the armored units moving autonomously. Going back a moment, it’s not unheard of to have tanks move/cut through wide swaths of land to get places, in terms of Angola and Cabinda and the lay out it’s not as unrealistic a notion as you may think, particularly with few obstacles exempting that river. I don’t know what accompanying support/engineering size/amounts of units would be for the undetermined number of tanks but your certainly right they ideally/likely wouldn’t have been as passive/absent as they were. The only greatly unrealistic thing in and of itself in this whole scene to me is the idea (assuming this hasn’t been solved) that any vehicle would tread anywhere in Angola/Cabinda at all off road, the place is laid with an incredible amount of landmines, so much so it’s decimated wildlife populations and is nearly incalculable in density and spread (alternatively, if we assume the mine problem has been addressed this point becomes moot but if not, it’s hella risky depending on who mined it and when, this includes a high amount soviet anti-tank mines that have a special heat [and I believe lead mechanism] that has a high kill ratio against current armor. However if this mining situation wasn’t solved this tank scene would be totally explained by a. An overconfidence send the armor attitude “we’re fucking indestructible” and b. No way Jose you have a lot of support). Now we can go back and forth on this hypothetical but that’s moot because the whole things from a pretty creative anime but I wanted to take a moment and say, it’s a stretch but I don’t believe it’s that much of a stretch. It also makes sense that the Angolans would retrofit their available anti tank mines. Overall though I appreciate your comment I think it’s hella informative, I’m here mostly adding to the discussion, please feel free reply and I hope that my reply adds some more interesting variables to the discussion. Unfortunately much of this info was only implicitly covered in the anime, kudos to the directors for doing their research. I would very much enjoy knowing how you feel this affects the combat feasibility of the scene. Btw, I’m on my phone too so bear with me.
基本はよくある3DCGのアニメなんだけどもキャラクターが動くたびに少し絵が動く？様な加工が施されていて予算の中でもいいものを作ろうという姿勢が見れてとても良い。自分はやはり手書きが好きではあるのだがコスパのよさではとてもいい作品だと思う。
同感。フロントミッションの感覚だね
2年前の自分、何を偉そうにコメントしとるんじゃ...
ただ３DCGと相性の良くないとされるキャラクターのテクスチャにたいする一つのいい回答だとは思う。
Si
Foda...
일본
"You say an exoframe can be diverted to military use? Hahaha, well that sounds like a Japanese anime!"
They're learning...
Modern Military learning abaout society
@@evavx6702 I think he meant breaking the 4th wall
@@animationglows3961 what meant?
No it sounds militaristic
@Raghu Singh b-but... Did they know it?
アメリカの戦争ビジネスといったアニメとはいえ現実の問題、軍産複合体、石油利権、に触れているのが新鮮だった
Soldier: Watch out, they're still on the water! *Proceeds to go into water*
I love you so Hard ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ video
Bruh ikr, you are going towards ambush yourself
Me: *suprise pickahu face*
>proceeds to go in the water
>doesn't even point machine gun at the water
@@shatara42 >Also forgets bullets can't go through water.
>Where most of enemies are hiding.
A fellow 4Chan greentext poster I see. ;D m, a, b, or Pol?
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そういえば昔(1900年頃)、どっかの軍の偉い人が
「飛行機？面白いおもちゃだね。戦争に役に立つとは思えないけど(笑)」とか言ってましたね…
恐らくそのお偉いさんはもっと別の何かを考えてたんでしょうね
@@将軍ピンポン 戦争の怖いとこは最初は何の役にも立たないよと思ってた物がやばい武器になるなんてことが起きるとこ
爆弾だって作り方とか知らんけどやろうと思えば身の回りのものでできちゃったりするんだからね
物事の進展、発展には
多少の悪が必要か…
対艦巨砲主義、機銃陣地にたいする騎兵突撃等、時代に合わない戦術が実行された事は多々ありますが、
その原因は新しい戦術、兵器が必ずしも有効とは限らないからです。
実戦で使ってみるまで本当に有効とは限らない。
例えば空母主体で艦隊を構成した日本海軍が戦艦大和を建造したのは保険です。
航空機の真価が証明されたのは戦時中、
大英帝国海軍航空隊のタラント空襲以降です。空母主体の日本海軍の賭けは当たりました。
でも、空母や航空機が外れだったら目も当てられない。軍隊は国民の生命と財産を預かってます。失敗は許されない。
中世騎士の時代、実は大砲も銃もありました。が当時の未熟な火器は弓と重装騎兵(ナイト)の突撃に蹴散らされた。
人間は神じゃない。後からしか正解は解らない。だから保険は大事。戦史には役に立たなかった新兵器で溢れています。
新兵器の大半は役立たず。軍人が既存兵器に拘るのも当然です。運用次第では大抵何とかなるのです。
賭けるのは危険すぎるでしょう？将軍クラスともなれば数十万人の出世競争に打ち勝ったエリートです。
基本、我々一般人より遥かに頭がいい。一見馬鹿に見えても例外なく思慮遠望の結果の失敗です。
Shit... Alien words =/
Unarmored running suits
... that would be easy pickings.
ikr? I can see them work in this shown like ambush style attack but against a prepared tank column that is prepared for combat and knows what to expect, no chance. The exoskelleton drivers arent even armored, they are just free on the back of it.
HELLL YEAH! an armor unit like th us forces had could hold off those things until they ran out of ammo. it would be a masacre.... for the mechs.
One thing I find interesting is the idea on how useful mechs would be on the battlefield. In a lot of ways they're just suped up infantry. The biggest force multipliers out there are communications and situational awareness tech, Mechs don't really impact those.
Don't get me wrong mechs would be a force multiplier for sure, but I don't see them significantly changing the way battles are fought.
@@LMGunslinger agreed, even the armored ones shown latter on are taken down by .50 cals and only seem to carry slightly heavier weapons (in terms of anti tank firepower). essentially they would function like Humvees do in the US military. other than that though.
What i could see them being great for though is supporting airborne forces. judging from the first video, it apears you can cram 2-3 of them in the same space taken up by one humvee for (possibly)similar weight .
Multi-Purpose High Explosive Round
5:05 アフリカとかのゲリラがトヨタ.ハイラックスにデュシーカ(dshk)重機関銃つんで再利用してる事言ってるの最高に好き
「ジャパニーズギーグの夢物語だなぁ」
まさにそのジャパニーズギーグの夢物語ですw
12話で更に夢物語が加速した模様。
登場キャラから作品が海外市場を想定しているのが分かる。
制作予算は地上波アニメ以上だと思うから、こういうネット配信で現場のクリエイターが潤うような制作環境を作って欲しい。
Completa mente de acuerdo
Ni si quiera lo dudes hermano, terminaremos recolectando cal para los aliens, pero deja de decir que la tierra es plana 😂
Por si acaso la tuya xd
tasikani
@@しろお-r9p なに外国人になりきろうとしとんじゃ！w
戦車浮橋をこんなしっかり描いたアニメを初めて見た気がする。
Totalmente de acuerdo!
Que bien
@@maurosiu5168 jejeje también entendiste!
@@JoaoQuirozGovea KHE DICE ?
Bien :D
People: *nitpicking details in the show*
Me: *enjoying my cool Japanese cartoon*
Most others: both
@@jdgoesham5381 honestly not surprised how youre not nitpicking since youre into 40k where nothing makes sense lol. but for real, abrams (down armored and misses every shot, where is the targeting system) vs bipedal mechs with no tactics = mech win... i cant enjoy. even if its alien tech, theres no obvious shielding, even if its alien metals that are super strong, theres bound to be some kind of kinetic force behind a 120mm impacting your mech. i just cant... theres also no infantry assisting the armor along with its escorts the IFV's. obviously this is just a scene from an anime that came from a country thats stood outside of combat for what seems to be forever... but damn, im not in the military and i can google things lol. Yes, im shitting on Japan for this one lol. Yes, i like anime and japan so dont get so butt hurt for nitpicking. Not everyone is going to enjoy everything :v
Even the japanese are nitpicking "今の人類の技術体系でヒト型のロボット兵器は費用対効果が悪すぎて実現しないけど「宇宙人が激安（石灰岩1トン＝10USD以下）で譲ってくれる」という設定で乗り越えてくるの好き" (comment below lol)
@TimVang-oq5vq hey Warhammer40k lore is hard to understand for new players and yes lore does change in the dumbest ways, but most people would use the older lore more then the newer ones because it make the most sense. Some people would nitpick on which lore would be better then others and go by that lore.
Normally, people like to emerge themselves in the story to enjoy the story. Relate and submerge into the story to get full experience. When the story doesn't make sense, you can't relate to the story. Can't emerge into the story. No fun. People are not brainless receptacles for information while watching anime. All that color flashing in front of my face can't distract me enough to not notice a frauded storyline.
これベースのエグゾフレームはみんな同じもんで、後付のシートとか装甲、武装は各々の集団で実装してるのよね。
なかなか現実、実態に則してる感あって深い👍
いやぁ人型の利点を最大限まで活かしたゲリラ戦法お見事です
浮橋とか現実の兵器の描写も細かくていいぞぉ
Mech in a Japanese anime: the pinnacle of warfare, yeah boi!
Mech in real life: who said this was a good idea?!
Me parece Maravilloso que se tomaran la molestia de doblar el audio a tantos idiomas incluido el español latinoamerica, Me siento Honrado.. Muchas Gracias de verdad
La verdad
Por fin nos tomane en cuenta por lo menos los Japoneses (Creo que ellos hicieron el Anime, si no, corriganme)
Em português também
@@jadersondj obveo manito, Primera Potencia Mundial en LATAM🇧🇷
Me uno a éste agradecimiento
水の表現が革命的にすげぇ
安くて脅威と見られる点はドローンを彷彿とさせる話。だけど妨害で容易に落ちるドローンよりもこちらのが遥かに厄介だね…w
神風への回帰……とも言えるのだろうか。
やま 回帰も何も中東紛争で自爆トラックは数年前から今日まで元気に行われてますよ。(神風とイスラムの自爆特攻を一緒にするなと言われそうですが人が死ぬまで操作するという本質は同じですから)
重要なのは神風は操縦するパイロット1人の育成に大金と時間にして5年という歳月が掛かるのに対して自爆トラックやこの動画内の攻撃要員は大した訓練をせずとも操縦方法さえ分かっていれば出来る点。飛行機と違って車:動画内兵器を動かせる人間なら訓練要らずですから金もかかりません、コスパ最強です。飛行機の操縦と陸上兵器の操縦では難易度が高いのはどちらかと言うのは明白ですから。折角の玄人を無駄死させる神風よりも効率は遥かにいいです。
まぁ末期の神風は訓練もろくに受けてない癖に難しい航空機での特攻だった為に成功のせの字も無かったですけどね。
@@esmeraldo7506
現実は恐ろしいですね……。
I’m glad I clicked on this by mistake
Same
Same here
Was wondering if any 1 else was here by mistake... Saw this now i know how it feels to not be the only 1
Same
Same here hahahaha
How ironic I stumble across this and happened to be on M1a1s for four years in the Marines, Second Tank Battalion.
Yeah no, this ain't even close to how we would've handled this engagement.
How would it be handled?
@@flapjack6495 There's alot to unpack so I'll try to keep it short and sweet.
1) The Lav-25 is a recon vehicle. While it can fight with the 25mm Bushmaster, that's not it's job. It's job is to scout and relay information to other assets.
It never would have left its position to engage the mechs. If it absolutely had to fight it could do it from a reasonable range with the optics it has. They wouldn't have jumped into the water. They would've seen the bridge get blown up and seen the mechs climbing on it. No self respecting commander would order his vehicle into the water.
Instead, they would have sent information up to other assets like fast air or rotors. Trust me, we never have support far behind.
Infantry would actually have been on those bridge laying boats. They'd be contributing to the fight as well.
2) The tanks. When it comes to being able to actually engage targets, we can do it at far ranges day and night. The FCS on the Abrams would easily be able to lead and engage the mechs. In the open and with a whole damn platoon? There'd be so much goddamn coax and anti personnel fire. Would you want to charge tanks in the open with nothing but swim trunks on an open top mech? Those mechs were not moving fast enough.
As for the times they hopped on tanks. Other tanks would've done a manuever we call "Scratching your wingman's back."
That means another tank would swing its gun onto you and use coax to sweep infantry off.
I'm doing this on phone so it's a little difficult, but that's about the jist of it.
The engagement made the Abrams look like an armored storm trooper.
If there's a platoon of tanks somewhere you can be damned sure they're looking for a fight. Nobody would be taking those mechs for granted.
@@shirghazaycowboys wow thanks for that info! I I get that it's an anime so theres always suspension of disbelief but it seemed almost comical also isn't the Abrams hard to destroy? Would it make more sense for the mechsto try to get underneath them and detonate?
@@flapjack6495 The Abrams is a tough SOB, but it has weaknesses the same as any normal contemporary NATO tank.
The side armor is alright, but it's not as good as the front. What makes it potent is the FCS and ergonomics. That is, crew survivability and other nuances that make operating it relatively easy with good training.
Honestly, this was a poor argument for why the mechs were good. On flat open terrain this engagement should've gone to the tanks. Yeah they may have lost whatever was on the bridge, but once everyone was rallied and aware of what was going on?
No, those mechs would be fucked.
The moment the net opened up with "We re being attacked! They're using the bipedal walkers on us!" Every supporting asset would be barreling down on that position.
If the engagement had been in a dense city or somewhere really built up? Okay fine. This scene was just mech wank, plain and simple.
There have been plenty of well written pieces on why mechs aren't the end all be all and why tanks will always have a place on the battlefield.
@@shirghazaycowboys mind recommending some of those written pieces ? And a urban setting makes more sense like those neighborhoods in Brazil I would love to see some well thought-out fight scenes with a mech vs a tank but whatever thanks for the insight !
If you saw an abrahams in close grouping like that, even if u're in a speedy exosuit. You better be sure you have god tier movement speed. Canister shells are not a joke. They're made for a reason.
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とても分かりやすい戦争論
経済の宿命みたいなもんですね。とにかくお金を借りて投資をして物を沢山作り、とにかく売る。そうする事で物質的、経済的に豊かになる。経済豊かになれば需要が上がるからまた借金（投資）をして生産する。立ち止まれば走ってる者に追い抜かれて相対的に貧しくなる。だから止まれないしゴミでも何でも売れるもの作って売る。需要がないなら戦争してでも作る。こんな感じですかね。
@@eeebee5116 en serio?!??!!?!?
Wtf you said👀
@@eeebee5116 シンプル！！
結局世の中は金なんですね...
While the specific tactics are wrong (I'm just an enthusiast, and even I recognized how odd it was that the Marines didn't bring any infantry, perhaps the single most effective weapon against a pilot in an exposed frame like that), I like the general gist. The EXOFRAME isn't really a better weapon, it's a cheaper one. It can project more power, with less training, for almost no money. That would change the face of war, very quickly.
Also the idea of a Marine, of all people, complaining that their equipment is too good is fucking hysterical. My brother's weapon platoon in ~2011 was rolling around in AAVs that were made in the 1960s.
@@lutherpatenge6313 Also didn't the Marines get rid of all of their tanks
Until the USMC acquires them and makes them infinitely better.
@@NautilusSSN571 It is something recent (But i do now know if they actually did it, i only just heard about them wanting to retire the tanks), the episode takes place in 2015 when such a thing was not even being thought about.
Is it cheaper? Like... maybe. But how do these make troops at all more effective?they run faster? Okay. They still get shot.
It reminds me of old Golden Age Sci-Fi. Can't recommend it enough. Very good story.
Rather questionable metrics if this qualifies as a "Very good story".
As far as I can tell, from what I've seen, this show has nothing but setup. You get a black ops mission at the first episode then it's a bunch of prequels and world building for the rest. What does the series wanna do with it? Fuck if I know. The show just walked away after that. I imagine the show didn't have the budget to make a payoff because this thing spends a lot of its animation on firefights. Animating those atop of the detail being consistent costs a lot of cash. Most likely this is just to test the waters and YT cheaped out.
what story?
@@luiseatoll6368 ho
Y
The amount of care that went into the military realism kind of makes the weird inaccuracies more stark.
None of the unprotected charging mechs should have survived the ammount of firepower that several Abrams platoons can bring to bear. This goes especially because they were able to gather in a defensive line. The only reason the mechs weren't cut down immediately is because of the stormtrooper level accuracy displayed by the crews.
Plus the fact that those exos were running in straight line, I dont even know why those gunners cant even hit them.
They didn't have their crayons to eat that day.
こんなアニメを待っていた
this is actually genius on the alien part, i believe why they're willing to trade the suit for something so abundant and near worthless like limestone to human is because the suit must be a cheap exosuit not intended for combat, but more like a wheelchair to aid the disabled. yet to us human it is something so revolutionary and versatile, a mechanical robot that can be piloted with same grace of that of human body yet with possibly ten or hundred time normal human strength. with that in mind military application is inevitable and smaller nation with no nuke will tear each other apart first with these new machine and then larger superpower will follow. thus, when humanity is weakened through war, the alien will descend from their ship with the REAL military grade exosuit that will outclass everything the human have...
in the end we will be the sucker of our own nature
You sir, just read my mind
More like Prometheus presenting mankind with the gift of fire.
Yea, i wrote that before in a comment. Romans called that "Divide Et Impera". And the brits practiced this quite a lot in history, well not exactly like shown here, but close.
btul kamu satria
Nah. I can see it as an experiment from the aliens. Like what would the humans do if they had such technology.
Kinda similar how we do studies on other organisms
As a techno geek I'm geeking out
the funniest thing is that in TVtropes they put the trope: "Reality is Unrealistic" as a measure that this could happened based on reality lmao, despite there's no basis of reality whatsoever in this scene
It is suspense of belief. All shows has some measure of it. If you can't suspend belief it becomes laughable.
@@patangman2117 Well when something is obviously trying to be realistic, the suspension of disbelief bar rises.
@@patangman2117
If you know ANYTHING about the military or the technology it uses, this scene instantly breaks any suspension of disbelief.
この時点では超高性能な馬的な扱いなのか、見たことない絵面で面白いなー
昔はこんな設定ゴリゴリのSF、近未来アニメがゴロゴロあったんやで？
今また一巡して流れが戻ってきた気がしてうれしい
ないわ
あるのは訳わからん理屈で動くロボで戦うアニメばっかじゃん
このアニメはその訳わからん理屈の部分を異星人のテクノロジーでまかなえてるから設定のあほらしさが気にならないし話の展開も自由度が高く説得力もあって真面目にみれるようなってる
ただ頑張ってロボを開発しました～でドンパチやってるアニメとは似て非なるもんだな
@@santekitou1433 そんな90年代後半にすでに使われてた、というかリアルロボットとは言い難いものでも使われてる設定手法持ち出されても、、、
そもそもこれ以上は作品の貶め合いで、それぞれの作品が好きなロボ好きが悲しむ未来しかないのでこの話題終了な
@@santekitou1433 むしろ異星人の技術で作ったロボットや、異星人が作ったロボットって設定のアニメは昔には大量にあったよ。
レイズナーは、異星人が開発したロボ
ボトムズは、他惑星の物語。
(言わば、エグゾフレームの母星の物語)
ゾイドは、惑星zの金属生命体と地球の動物の遺伝子を組み合わせたものをベースにしたサイボーグアニマル
zナイトはゾイドのコアを、地球に持ち帰り、クローン化、動力炉として活用。
ガサラキは、異星人の成れの果てが作った人工筋肉を培養してる。
エグゾフレームは異星人が1万円で売ってくれるサイボーグ。
ＡＤポリスとか好きです。イイっすよね。
I love how throughout the show they joke about how it’s like an anime
“How did the bots win?”
“Well, even though they were highly exposed, both the bots and the pilots, somehow we kept missing all our shots! And also we were out of grenades, high explosive and any sort of easily expandable ammo to riddle the whole battlefield with bullets. Also it seems the bots are magic since with such small frames they have power to last, capabilities to carry multiple passengers, strength, speed, maneuverability, perfect balance for bipedal constructs and decent armor. All in all, if this were fiction, people would be saying we lost due to plot necessities”.
Unless you say the “sci-fi” of a story also has fantasy (magic, etc…) elements, everything is bound by the same laws of physics we are.
Lol yup thought the same thing. Not to mention tanks are somewhat sparse these days. You rarely hear about any Abram tanks in the Middle East. It’s all air strikes and drone strikes. Real scenario would be 2 f22s or f35s going Mach 2 over the battlefield milliseconds before they level it with missiles. Or drone strikes which put no US lives in danger. Or or intercontinental missile strikes.
I agree with everything but the capabilities of the machine point. I think it’s entirely possible that there some super material and possibly future more efficient concepts being used with said materials. I mean we have plenty of almost super materials with amazing properties that the limiting factor is ability to produce and put to use. I think Graphene is one of them, a lot of potential just not with in our reach. Space faring and trading aliens got a pretty good R&D head start on us tbh
The tanks can't hit a shot with an advance targeting computer? Maybe no thermal signature from the exosuits?
Their stats is magic, they are [alien] afterall. But they did lost due to necessities. The Abrams canister and FCS would easily take care of them.
まさに求めてた作品
道楽ケネス この頃この手のむせる作品が無かったので嬉しいですな
ちょっとだけ第9地区みたいな雰囲気で好き
McD 110 分かる
浮橋と機関銃の排莢がマニアック。斧アツシ（グラサン指揮官）の戦争の語りも渋い。
そういや別のロボット物で聞いたな...人型である強みは確か『戦術』手段を構築できること、そして『即時展開』が出来る事だと...。
Cinguchanchi xd chino mandarin
Pues si
軍事的リアリティもすごいけど、俺は5:44〜6:13この会話が今話で一番の見所やと思うわ。内容が現実世界と一緒やもん。+α資本家も関わってる
まさに「戦争は変わった」瞬間
When did Storm troopers joined marines?
エグゾフレームの軽快な動きもさることながら原住民の勇気と身体能力がすごい。そして何だか初期型は汚いISみたいですね…
WHAT
No mames no hablo chino
@@white_racer yes
汚い方のISかw
@@この笑い男の画像真ん中に持 ok mi amarillo amigo lo que usted diga
今回はアメリカ式戦争経済の仕組みの説明とその崩壊の序曲となった事件が分かりやすく描かれていましたね。そしてこれがそのまま西洋優位な世界秩序の崩壊に直結していくと言う事も。
それともう一つ。今作の宇宙人が仕掛けてきた一方的な通商にはあまりにも謎が多すぎます。もしも続きが作られるのなら、その謎に多少なりとも迫って欲しいと自分は切に願います。
Why the soldiers dress desert camo if they are in a tropical environment
The place they are in should be in Africa.. or somewhere there. I could be wrong but the uniform they wear are Desert Marpat. I know, it looks weird..
@@waraftermath4202 there is only one region in Angola where that uniform would make sense
the desc said the episode is set on angola, africa
@@Anatloe yeah, I saw but didn’t bother to re-edit though
I see.
4:59 "That sound like a Japanese ANIME"
Lol so hard....🤣🤣🤣🤣
funny they kept trying to meta that anime doesn't existed lol
エグゾフレームが最強無敵兵器じゃなくて、ちゃんと既存の兵器で壊せるのいいな
ただし高価な既存兵器を失うから、経済的にはRPG7みたいな感じで次々と高価な既存兵器が撃破されるので、戦争には多大な経済的不利になるかと。
@@横田雅美-v9c いや、返って逆じゃないか？軍事費削減って言われてる中で高価な兵器や人材が壊れ殺され、新しく兵器や人材を購入する集める理由ができて、軍自体は被害大きいだろうけれど、軍事メーカーは新しく買ってくれるから、ある意味金の動きが活発になって経済良くなると思う。ゲリラは安くて効果的なモノがあり戦える、軍隊は戦う敵ができたから世論にもちゃんとした理由で軍事費を上げられる。メーカーは買ってくれる相手ができて、資本が増える。
こんなやり取り久々に見た気がするw
このアニメの存在価値を感じれたような気がして嬉しい😆
おっさんくさいアニメも時代関係なく必要だよね
例えるならモンゴルの騎馬弓兵のような。異次元の機動力で他の兵科より明らかに強いけど万能ではない感じ。
大抵のロボットアニメだとこの辺の力関係のまま話が作られますけど、この作品はそこからの変遷を見せてくれる。
1話の年代まで進むと他の兵器が対応出来てきて、順当に強化歩兵的な立ち位置に落ち着くんでしょうが、そこまでの試行錯誤は見ていて絶対楽しいに違いない。
@@puchimame でもこの先買うのがエグゾフレームだからなぁ。人間が作れない技術のものを金銭ではないもので売り買いするから人間だけで研究と売買できるのは戦車でいう砲塔と装甲のみ。ってのがネックだと思う。
10:32 The animation focuses a lot on detail and realism, which is why the Marine floating face down in the water despite wearing full body armor kind of stands out
素晴らしい作品だ こういうロボットアニメを待ってた
As fun this was to watch, clearly the person who wrote it has little understanding of military tactics.
US Military doctrine is all about air support. their apaches would've been all over those things.
@@basketcase1235 yeah! air superiority, US Airforce is bigger than the other military branch.
Urobuchi, iirc is more of a fantasy writer than a mil scifi writer... but yeah... a bit more research must be done
Dude...
Theres a dude sitting on the back of a walking and running machine and controls it to the smallest detail?
How?
This just looks retarded. Dude is firing an rpg while this thing is running. How shaky would that be
It just is so dumb
@@kloschuessel773 I mean, terrorists have been doing that same kindof thing from technicals for a long time. The trick isn't to be accurate, it to be just outside of detonation range and lucky
これは凄いなぁ！続きがきになるぞ！
今ウクライナ戦線で使われてる格安ドローンが思い起こされない…これ？
やっぱ硬派で面白いな！今後も期待！
So I show to my friend. we both love the story so far, but the choppy animation of people vs the smooth CGI of the machines was disappointing. We hope it gets better in season 2.
It makes sense because of the fact the suits are supposed to augment your physical abilities so from an animation stand point lowering the frame rate of people makes the mechs seem more capable kinda like how into the spider verse lowers miles frame rate when they run from the lab until peter shows him how to web swing and the animation framrate for miles starts to mach that of peters
I think the animations are the same as a people & the machines. the difference is people has mimic expression.
*sorry for my bad english
Literally everytime i watch any gundam anime lol
Those thing would last 5 minutes an fight with just regular infantry, exposed rider like that would be dead form, rifle fire, 40MM, AT-4, fragmentation or hell a flash bang would stop them. 4 M1A2 would just use HEAT-MP air burst, canister shot or just normal HE.
Agreed
Did you see how those things move? They move way too fuckin fast for the tanks nor the infantry to him em..
@@Man-with_a-crooked_glance No an M1A2 turret can traverse 360 in under 5 seconds, that's with the gun being linked, unlined its faster as the computer dose it
That's why you reinforce it. Its not a bad idea to use mech.
I was raging at the battle tactics alone, because there is no way in hell those Mecha would've survived that first barrage of lead
As a show goes you can tell a lot of time and effort went into this work of art
m1エイブラムスのスタビライザーの動き…イイっ！！
2:44
"Were building a bridge!" "Yeah!" "A bridge of friendship!"
Brigger McBeth ah a man of culture
硬派な作品ですね。素晴らしい！
As a former alien biped rider, the way they moved and dodged the tank rounds were authentic, 100%.
この作品の素晴らしい点は、その冒頭にある条件設定の本質である。
これまでの秩序はパワーバランスによって築かれて来た。
経済、軍事、国力的貧富の差、核の方面であれば相互確証破壊など、小国と大国、持つものと持たざるもの、大国同士のバランスがある。
いくら不満、憎悪があれど、圧倒的な力によって小国、小規模組織は競争のスタートラインにすら立てなかった。
それがタダ同然で、文字通り空から降って来る形で一気にこれまでの差、即ちスタートラインの差を埋める。もう一度秩序をフラットに戻すのだ。
かつてメタルギアソリッドにあったように、
これまで大国が築き上げて来た国際秩序、パワーバランスも、安価で高性能な兵器が根本から覆すというSFが、これからの国際秩序のあり方を問うているかもしれない。
Don’t know why they didn’t just use the coax literally no protection for the operator
no doubt
issue being you gotta switch from main to coax and its alot more thinking to switch fire modes then it is to continue engaging with main. so its pretty realistic to see in the chaos of battle.
@@colson3050 Yeah no, any gunner worth their salt who has been in training for any period of time will have switched to Coax. Given maybe the first shot he would have fire cannon as thats what he has selected. But after first shot they would have had tank commander called switch and he'd be switched.
@@codyhawkcaster4671 Cause well facing a weapon not seen before a commander and gunner are going to stop loading the main armerment and go to coax in the hopes of killing the exsuits well also going like 70km in reverse? bro this engagement lasted less then 30 seconds for most these tanks calling bullshit on anyone who thinks a tank crew can react to unknown weapons and decided on a change of fire mode.
@@colson3050 So you're telling me at no point after the aliens publically visit earth does the US military brief its troops at all on ways to fight this new threat that the US Military itself has access too along with, to their knowledge, every enemy combatant could also have access to. And at no point did they immediately run training to teach how to deal with this?
コイツら、エイブラムス一両でも破壊すればお釣りがくるくらい安い兵器使ってるから、帳簿的には米軍の被害の方がデカい
石灰岩1トンと十数億するエイブラムス、
費用対効果？がすんごい！
操縦者はさらに安いってんだからアフリカのカオスを感じる
*Exactamente*
やっぱりコスパって大事だよな
トヨタに砲塔積んだ日本のギーグって伊藤計画さんの事かな。
Невероятно! Дубляж не прошёл стороной и мимо нас! Годнота.
2 episodes in and they already mentioned anime twice.. i like it.. anyway it seems all robot is not as useless as they think, they all have potential to be a military weapon just like those farmer robots.. and also they are so cheap for a futuristic robot, and why aliens need limestone with expensive trade like that..? i guess i need to finish this series..
They explained that the robots works using some sort of bacteria so perhaps limestone helps with the procurement of those organic stuff
Its likely a sjow of good faith like a this is what we have to offer yes were legit
Or the goal is destabilization
Supposedly its intende duse is for disabled people
But you know us we will always find a way to weaponize anything and this is well so futuristic powerful cheap bullet proof but to those aliens they see it so useless and not needed like there pure on useless to the aliens and just sold it for limestone cause they probably dont have such thing as limestone or is a luxury to them and because that happend the aliens are somehqat breaking economy for trading this type of tecj for litteral stone you can find in your backyard
@@oneosix106decena imagine the aliens being like wow they need ALOT of wheel chairs
Wait wha
What the fuck guys
こう見ると、あそこまで魔改造した軍ってやべぇんだなってww
Confirmo
Confirmo
Naniii
@@felipereyes3509 Dio !!!!
Makes me want an Ace Combat movie that cuts between showing us the antics of an armor division and the fighter squadron that supports them.
I'd love an RTS game set in the Ace Combat 5 universe.
@@rc59191 they're all the same universe believe it or not. Even AC2 which is in the future.
@@Appreciation-Community ya but later they set it in our universe which was a big mistake I prefer the old one especially since Puddle of Mudd lives on in it lol.
@@rc59191 that was just one spinoff that we pretend doesn't exist 6 and 7 are in "Strangereal" which is the same universe as 1 2 3 4 5 0 6 7. And you're goddammit right about Puddle of Mudd.
What a nice reallistic war-stories could be created with this graphics but how heavily they waste them on pretty absurd scenes
ちゃんとどっちにもそれなりの損害が出てて好き
エグゾフレームの方が断然安いですからね。
アメリカの方が損害が大きいかと！
主が言いたいことは、そういうことではないかと
@@ムイムイ-j3g
無双じゃないとこがリアルよねって話な
Not sure why they didn’t have infantry support. Normal for mechanized units to have infantry attachments to help protect it. I know it’s an animation but food for thought though.
Tanks should have wiped out those shiddy mechs with ease
The plot armor is thick on the mech this one.
This is really good, thank you.
This mechas would be easy target in open space for tanks with machine guns on top. In the city it could work but not in open space.
I’m laughing at you because you think tanks are this accurate under attack 🤣
The Allied forces in Iraq expend 250,000 rounds of ammunition for ever killed insurgent.
Battlefield accuracy is absurdly low. Nobody hits anything in war.
@@GeahkBurchill U compare 90s and early 2000s with 2020 and this movie is shoving something like 2030-2040. Plus this tanks user great tactic. Move back, stop for shot and then move again. From distance of 200-400m this mechas would be to easy target for so big fire power like 6 m.guns and 3 guns shooting HE amo. Now USArmy will be have even more effective HE amo which u can program before shot. All of that telling me that this mechas would be easy targets in open space.
@@zaqwerty22 no, this show takes place in an alternate 2012-2023. And you’re hilariously wrong about the accuracy in battle. Maybe you imagine great hit rates on a range but the real world to totally different.
@@GeahkBurchill LOL, u that object moving with spread around 50km/h and most on straight line like they did, is so difficult to hit? They have no cover, no armour ect. Better check how looked desert storm fights between tanks and how fast western tanks were destroyed T-72. From this distance 200-400m it's impossible not to hit at least few of this mechas. U live in fantasy world if u think that so slow target won't be hired from that distance. HE ammo don't even need to hit. Shock wave and shrapnels will do the job for people who have 0 protection. U want to try? Stand 5 meters from explosives and make it explode. But before that make last will. This scenario is totally unrealistic and u won't convince me it's true and realistic. Insurgents fight in Urbana area and not head to head with tanks LOL. So stupid example.
@@zaqwerty22 bullets are small. Even tank shells are small. The single operators on EXOframes are small, and everyone is in motion on bumpy terrain. Apply the Inverse square law to all projectiles and you’ll quickly see why in a real battle every hit is a practical miracle. Even with explosives and shrapnel. Actual battlefield statistics are abysmal.
But I’m done talking to you. Go to war and find out, kiddo.
like dislike turned off... thats always shady...
I don't know why but Japanese game official youtube channels always turn off like and dislike function.
@@jkovsky but enables comments lol
Views are disable too.
I can like and dislike with no issues at all 🤷♂️
ミリオタじゃないんだけどめちゃくちゃ描写がリアル(？)いいな
cg作品だと思うけど
龍介
論点ズレズレで草
龍介 論点ズレズレで草
龍介 頼む消えてくれ
龍介 フルボッコで草
The tanks and guns are all so well-detailed.
But the way the mechs win is questionable, the users of the mechs are exposed as hell but somehow didn't get shot, and they used RPGs to take out the Abrams?
Bring back my childhood memory playing Front Mission series 👍
As a tank geek when i heard the abrams gas turbine whirring up i knew they did some research making it
Also the backward speed match it
The guerrillas are also using tandem warhead RPGs, which is the only RPG rocket to have scored kills on Abrams.
@@averydavies3922 except AKM and burning carton lol
Really??? Seriously though... they say an Abrams is 4mioUSD... off by about 8-10mio... lazy
Big facts
I love how these Marines are all the worst kind of movie Marine apparently, since no US tanker would forget they have 3 rounds of canister, which would rape these anyone not behind solid cover. Plus the LAVs 25mm would be best used thumping rounds at anything that moves, with machineguns used to cut down closer in targets. I mean hell, my old Army Mech Battalion was poorly lead, but we would have wrecked those idiots if they charged like that!
ScribeTheGrey agreed. If anything this tactic would work as a surprise but the operators of the mechs were very exposed and easy targets for machine gun fire
Its an anime dude-.-
ScribeTheGrey don’t cry it’s a anime 😢
@@---du3nm It's an anime. We don't need to do our homework on modern military tactics.
Lambert Lum
This anime’s fairly realistic so it’s fair game to put some critique imo
8:41 nice detail on the RPG. Rocket seems to be a tandem warhead meant for tanks. These guys did their homework.
but it hit the front of the turret i doubt that there would be any damage
@@outrider425 yeah I agree, the tank kept rolling after that. Although, I think the killed happened when they were backing up really far. They probably got hit by a large IED or something since there was a large explosion
@@miming3679 not sure what you were watching, but the tank didn't die. The tandem hit the front of the turret, which would do fuck all
@@cosmicgrim7963 bro read again, I never said the tandem warhead killed the abrams
エグゾフレームの動きが思った以上に軽やかで流石エイリアンテクノロジーって感じですな。
障害物をよけるような動きとか特にカッコいいです。こりゃ戦車も棺桶になるわorz
普通に面白いじゃないですか
内容も映像も素晴らしいって最高や
@ポポTAKU シリーズ中この回が一番台詞が意味深です。他の作品は武器が違うだけで現代も全く同じことが起こってるって皮肉がこめられてるんじゃないかと思います。悲劇ってわけじゃないけど、メッセージ性は感じますね
masashi ps たしかにこの回が一番好きだわ。もう何回も見てるw
後半戦も期待ですな。
This show is an unexpected surprise. Great show so far. I like the detail. They've clearly taken 3D models and then 2D'd the action. I'm totally ok with that. Ha.
これまでの"ロボットアニメ"ってやつとはリアリティが段違いなんだよな。
中東で安価な即席爆弾がエイブラムスを吹き飛ばしたように、米軍の主力兵器といえど矮小な抵抗勢力に対し無敵という訳ではない。
そのあたりのディティールをしっかりと盛り込んだうえで、エグゾフレームというSFプロットが違和感なく滑り込まされているのが素晴らしい。
It wasn't a cheap bomb, it was an IED made of 5 155mm arty shells, each packed with an extra 1000 pounds of RDX to knock out a tank. And people inside the tank survived. Another M1 loss was due to the same tactic, but it took 12 155mm shells, and a third was a 2,000 pound bomb, all hidden underground IED style. In each case, people in the tanks lived.
The M1 is an actual fucking tank. It's not some Russian piece of shit which would have killed everyone inside, and also blown up itself essentially turning into a 40 ton fragmentation grenade killing people within a 900ft area.
タンデム弾頭のRPG使ってるところに好感が持てた
戦闘中の音楽聞いてるとフロントミッションオルタナティブ思い出した。テクノっていうか知らんけども。
it's like a marriage between front mission and district 9. really good shit!
Stick a gun on it and make it bigger and we got a wanzer. Since they also need nerve connections
A W did they? im aware of some experimental wanzers in FM universe using nerve connections, but im under the impression that regular wanzers are using some sort of non-neural controls, like joysticks or fancy computers
Front Mission baby!
@@wyg2935 This is true for practically all Wanzers, S- and B- Devices are dead ends due to how temperamental they are (although the S-Devices had the best success overall). Even then, Wanzers get annihilated by tanks (as shown in the 2nd Hoffmann War, as the OCU's tank divisions had cut through the UCS Wanzer units like a knife through butter).
Damn I miss wanzer right now, would play it on emulator soon :)
This is the best thing I’ve ever got recommended on RUclips. I’m not a huge anime fan but this looks lit!
Funny that that US 🇺🇸 finally adopted the XM5 in a giant variation lol.
because it look fancy
the attention to detail is amazing
I gues air support was forgotten about haha. First time I've ever seen real deployment of are float bridges with the proper boats pretty cool.
Love how everybody is talking about them getting stomped by tanks, how the army would handle it irl, but nobody is talking about how unrealistic WALKING mechs are
"Unrealistic" except for all the walking robots we've got right now, many of which are either being retooled or specifically designed for military use.
Turns out DARPA (and their international equivalents) is staffed with people a fuckload smarter than internet engineers.
@@Prometheus19853 walking is just not efficient, legs are to complex, especially considering wounds, but yk chains like on tanks on the other hand
@@schmalettesm2069 It's also not as brutally inefficient as many are lead to believe. On the other hand, the advantages in mobility that walking provides are considered so great that actual engineers and smart people are seriously pursuing the concept.
In all likelihood, a mixed propulsion unit similar to the EXOs will be what we see. A wheeled/tracked "transport" mode, and a walker mode for doing walker things.
@@Prometheus19853 yes it has advantages, but the tech is not nearly advanced enough rn
@@schmalettesm2069 It's actually coming along very well. It's less an issue of making stuff walk, and more an issue of making stuff walk as well as living creatures with the same leg layout. As it stands, robots already walk well enough over rough and irregular terrain that basic walkers are more than possible. It also helps that brain-machine interfaces are becoming exceptionally advanced at this point; paraplegic patients are able to control medical exoskeletons with neural feedback systems that make it feel like their legs work again. It's a pretty obvious connection from that to significantly more effective walkers.
こんなリアルにLAV再現してるアニメ見た事ない。てか、LAVが出てくる事アニメを見た事ない。それにDshk重機関銃をダシュカって言わせたアニメもこれが初めてなのではないだろうか？
フリーダムの時試行錯誤だった技術が今進化した。
テロリスト装甲車(だったかな？)でメーカー名を言っちゃうのもたぶん初めて。
I'm a mecha enthuthiast and even I find it hard to believe the exoframes can easily take down the tanks. Should have equipped the frames more to make it more believeable. The exoframe hands should be carrying shield to protect the pilot from machine-gun fire. They also should be carrying more weapons and range explosives to deal with the tanks.
I agree.they did good on the ambushed on them,crossing the river bridge.the other part, they need more power.
also there was no foot trooper there, if anything they would lay down fire and make sure to get crackshots out and remove the enemy troops. its a common mistake in mech gerna of making the mech the be all and know all on the battlefield.
battletech show why mech are the top dogs at times because they are hard to put down even tho they are slow moving things at times, but can easily be taken out at times with careful planning and a good number of tanks that are not out in the open for the mechs to fire on them.
Heavy Gear is like this anime as well and can easily be blowned up by a tank crew because they can move and fire and by having a driver and one on the gun its two minds working one unit and in turn become better for it.
and god know what would have happen to those exoframe if the US troops had air support of any kind when they attacks.
Is it just me or does japanese animes always get it right when it comes to weapons (and tactics). I mean just look at that m240b with a trijicon, the lav, abrams....... the attention to detail is marvelous
But the problem lies with their military tactics. Case in point. Why would you just deploy abrams without infantry support. You're basically throwing out your most expensive equipment out the window. No tank column would be deployed without light infantry support or would be led first to role down a mobile bridge.
The mech suits are not going to be the standards way of fighting wars cause the cheapest so far that the military can afford today are infantry men or special forces from the military that can do the same role without allerting everyone with in the vacinity. The only used i see of those mechs are just either shock troops or mobile infantry support.
I respect them for being spot on with their sound design and etc but their lack of research about military tactics really gave me nightmares.
@@paulodepablo3649 yah it kinda bugged me that there was no infantry to protect those tanks or other amoured units still cool anime tho.
@@paulodepablo3649 I think what that scene was trying to prove was about Bowman's worries about just how easy it is to re purpose the EXOFRAME from a simple labor tool to a weapon, just like how easy it was to mount DShK or a self propelled gun on a pickup and turn a civilian transport into a Technical. It was more of an artistic choice. Had there been infantry, i'd have imagined the entire scene would have been trivialized with enough Marines to at least throw adequate suppressing fire at the EXOFRAME pilots to either throw them off or kill them.
Granted i could see how that would have still been an interesting scene had it gone in that manner, where despite a failed attempt at destroying the entire convoy due to the adequate infantry support alongside their remaining US armor assets, the EXOFRAME users would still end up causing a sizable amount of collateral damage in order for people to see the threat the technology poses. A relatively cheap, yet sophisticated system that can be thrown at NATO at little cost in comparison to rolling out multi billion dollar tanks; Their form of war was about to become Obsolete.
BNK3r Hill it’s Bandai namco who else has enough time to
Make sure everything is as accurate as needed
@@paulodepablo3649 true dat
This is my first time watching this anime, and it looks pretty dam dope.