Let's take a look at some metrics, so we can make a meaningful comparison and meaningful conclusions. Taking the 2022 USPSA High Hit Factor for just one classifier, 19-01 Hi-Jinx, for Open it was 12.7319, for Limited it was 11.9111, for L10 is was 8.5397, for Production it was 8.6067, Single Stack was 8.7378, for Carry Optics it was 9.799. I picked this one because the HHFs for multiple divisions are published. Traditionally, the conventional wisdom about Open is that the HF is about 10% higher than Limited, and we see that here, and of course you can see how much advantage Open has over the other divisions. These are the best shooters in the world, with comparable skill levels. What's different the the equipment. This shows how much the gun matters. The type of gun is a factor in capability POTENTIAL. You have to have the skill to exploit that potential. Give a novice level shooter an open gun, and have them shoot against a skilled shooter with a G19, guess who does better? Doesn't mean the G19 is the "better" gun, or that the open gun is overpriced. Far from it. Anyway, life is short. Do what gives you joy. Buy the boat, the Corvette, the Staccato or the Glock, take the trip to Italy.
You can buy capabilities, skills are earned, there is a massive capability gap between a recurve and compound bow or between ball and hollow point ammo, imagine if someone said to you, just buy a bunch of ball ammo and train for headshots, bullshit i want every advantage i can get
My take has always been yes you can buy things that make you marginally better! I think that with a great shooter, that’s how they can gain a better edge, with marginal improvements. I think that a lot of novice/intermediate shooters still get that marginal benefit, but it just has a lesser impact, as they still have a lot to improve on their own
Great video guys. Proves a better gun cannot make you a better shooter. Training makes you a better shooter. Once you have training you can shoot anything and from there if you want to buy a better gun have at it. Or buy an expensive gun off the rip but you will still need training
You have to have the skill to really push the gun to start to see and appreciate the 2011. Most will find the 2011 to be easier to shoot which inspires more confidence. I used to say they weren’t worth it either.. now I have a dozen of them 😂
Ok just my experience but I believe you can buy accuracy and essentially you are buying skills because if you can’t afford ammo range time/membership and trainers you won’t get better
You WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO BUY SKILLS. If you don't have the Marksmanship down to a T it doesn't matter what you're shooting because it won't make a difference and you won't be able to really see the big difference between an Staccato and a Glock.
Skills come with practice. Fancy guns won't teach you what grip works best for you, returning to zero, smooth trigger pull, and all that other jazz. Once you get those fundamentals down, THEN you may notice a mild boost in performance, but it's never going to be worth $4000+. Not no way, not no how.
You can’t buy skill per se but the gun definitely makes a difference, especially the trigger My EDC is a FN 509T and that trigger is …tough I’ve learned to be decent enough but shoot my Walthers and 2011s much better
We definitely pay a premium for marginally better performance. Get good with a small EDC gun and then when you can rip on that, have fun buying fun toys where you can enjoy the marginal performance increase. We don’t NEED more than the sub compacts, we just WANT the nice expensive full sized stuff 🤣
A better, more expensive gun will perform better. If you can't accept it, your poor and/or foolish. It doesn't change skill level but it does affect performance levels. Return to zero, accuracy, felt recoil, trigger weight, balance ect... are huge factors on performance of the firearm.
I get why people buy 2011s, but they aren’t the be all end all of handguns imo, especially if you got guys running Caniks and Shadow 2s for way less and are still able to be just as competitive.
@@gtmike916yeah nothing Canik makes shoots like a 2011. That is nonsense crated by people who have never shot a 2011 or don’t posses the skills to see the differences. We had the new TTI Canik out last weekend swapping recoil springs trying to tame it down a bit.
$4k gun doesn't cure a $5 skill set. Buy a $1k gun, $2k in ammo and $1k in quality training - not run around making noise and dust training but real basic fundamental skills development. A nice gun will help you shoot better but it won't make you a better shooter.
@@Platoon_Guide Domestic tranquility is pretty important . . . There are plenty of good options in the sub $1k category. A good dry fire program with some good live fire will get you very far.
@@DaveandDebeThen explain why Canik with their SFX models are able to win competitions then? Highest priced SFX is like $620 unless you buy the TTI Combat model. Still far less than a 2011 but offers similar performance.
@@gtmike916 Depends on the rules of the division, what guns fit that division. Some guns aren't going to fit that division, others will not be as competitive. You can't use a 1911/2011 in Production, or Carry Optics, for example. Shooting Open or Limited Minor is not as competitive but there are some examples of guys winning. And then you have outliers. Nils, and Vogel, and others have each won a variety of things with Caniks, Glocks, etc. Plenty of people using Staccato XLs in Limited Optics. It's a good fit for that division. The P is not as competitive in LO as the XL. The XC, as nice as it is, is not competitive in Open against true open guns due to slide mounted optic, smaller comp, 9mm minor giving up points to major, etc. But I bet Nils could win with it.
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Let's take a look at some metrics, so we can make a meaningful comparison and meaningful conclusions.
Taking the 2022 USPSA High Hit Factor for just one classifier, 19-01 Hi-Jinx, for Open it was 12.7319, for Limited it was 11.9111, for L10 is was 8.5397, for Production it was 8.6067, Single Stack was 8.7378, for Carry Optics it was 9.799.
I picked this one because the HHFs for multiple divisions are published.
Traditionally, the conventional wisdom about Open is that the HF is about 10% higher than Limited, and we see that here, and of course you can see how much advantage Open has over the other divisions.
These are the best shooters in the world, with comparable skill levels. What's different the the equipment. This shows how much the gun matters. The type of gun is a factor in capability POTENTIAL. You have to have the skill to exploit that potential.
Give a novice level shooter an open gun, and have them shoot against a skilled shooter with a G19, guess who does better?
Doesn't mean the G19 is the "better" gun, or that the open gun is overpriced. Far from it.
Anyway, life is short. Do what gives you joy. Buy the boat, the Corvette, the Staccato or the Glock, take the trip to Italy.
You can buy capabilities, skills are earned, there is a massive capability gap between a recurve and compound bow or between ball and hollow point ammo, imagine if someone said to you, just buy a bunch of ball ammo and train for headshots, bullshit i want every advantage i can get
My take has always been yes you can buy things that make you marginally better! I think that with a great shooter, that’s how they can gain a better edge, with marginal improvements. I think that a lot of novice/intermediate shooters still get that marginal benefit, but it just has a lesser impact, as they still have a lot to improve on their own
Great video guys. Proves a better gun cannot make you a better shooter. Training makes you a better shooter. Once you have training you can shoot anything and from there if you want to buy a better gun have at it. Or buy an expensive gun off the rip but you will still need training
love this video. sounds like a topic we had on the MacBros show..nice job guys!
You have to have the skill to really push the gun to start to see and appreciate the 2011.
Most will find the 2011 to be easier to shoot which inspires more confidence.
I used to say they weren’t worth it either.. now I have a dozen of them 😂
Ok just my experience but I believe you can buy accuracy and essentially you are buying skills because if you can’t afford ammo range time/membership and trainers you won’t get better
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Why yes I am
You WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO BUY SKILLS. If you don't have the Marksmanship down to a T it doesn't matter what you're shooting because it won't make a difference and you won't be able to really see the big difference between an Staccato and a Glock.
Sup Lads, do you think you could have beat the staccato times with the p365 with Ramjet ?
Only one way to find out 🤔
@9to5Tactical my notifications are switched to On
Skills come with practice. Fancy guns won't teach you what grip works best for you, returning to zero, smooth trigger pull, and all that other jazz. Once you get those fundamentals down, THEN you may notice a mild boost in performance, but it's never going to be worth $4000+. Not no way, not no how.
You can’t buy skill per se but the gun definitely makes a difference, especially the trigger
My EDC is a FN 509T and that trigger is …tough
I’ve learned to be decent enough but shoot my Walthers and 2011s much better
We definitely pay a premium for marginally better performance. Get good with a small EDC gun and then when you can rip on that, have fun buying fun toys where you can enjoy the marginal performance increase.
We don’t NEED more than the sub compacts, we just WANT the nice expensive full sized stuff 🤣
That all really depends. I know people who shoot competitively but don't carry. They have no need for a sub compact.
A better, more expensive gun will perform better. If you can't accept it, your poor and/or foolish. It doesn't change skill level but it does affect performance levels. Return to zero, accuracy, felt recoil, trigger weight, balance ect... are huge factors on performance of the firearm.
I get why people buy 2011s, but they aren’t the be all end all of handguns imo, especially if you got guys running Caniks and Shadow 2s for way less and are still able to be just as competitive.
@@gtmike916yeah nothing Canik makes shoots like a 2011. That is nonsense crated by people who have never shot a 2011 or don’t posses the skills to see the differences.
We had the new TTI Canik out last weekend swapping recoil springs trying to tame it down a bit.
Is Zachary’s gun in the intro he shooting an x macro?
Yep! With the Lucky 7 Ports from Monsoon Tactical 👍
I think you can run a Glock and spend the rest in ammo and training classes.
You can for sure, but when you are handed the keys to a Ford Focus and a Chevy Corvette, everyone in thier right mind is choosing the Vette.
$4k gun doesn't cure a $5 skill set. Buy a $1k gun, $2k in ammo and $1k in quality training - not run around making noise and dust training but real basic fundamental skills development. A nice gun will help you shoot better but it won't make you a better shooter.
@@mattminaz wrong
I could possibly buy skill but how much per dollar? If I can run a 1.60 G45 MOS bill drill, what gun would give me 1.22 and still be reliable?
Look up Isaac Lockwood and Billy Barton . . .
@ familiar with Isaac. Former LE, blazing fast with a P320. Right now my limit is $1000. Beyond that the wife/mortgage would not be happy.
@@Platoon_Guide Domestic tranquility is pretty important . . . There are plenty of good options in the sub $1k category. A good dry fire program with some good live fire will get you very far.
@ I dry fire a minimum of four times per week and live fire every three weeks. B class USPSA. On top of two jobs and a wife, two dogs I’m making it
@@Platoon_Guide Good on ya!
The only thing sticcato has on its competitors is better marketing.
That's what poor people say. Better guns yield better performance, is a fact.
@@DaveandDebeThen explain why Canik with their SFX models are able to win competitions then? Highest priced SFX is like $620 unless you buy the TTI Combat model. Still far less than a 2011 but offers similar performance.
@@gtmike916 Depends on the rules of the division, what guns fit that division.
Some guns aren't going to fit that division, others will not be as competitive. You can't use a 1911/2011 in Production, or Carry Optics, for example. Shooting Open or Limited Minor is not as competitive but there are some examples of guys winning.
And then you have outliers. Nils, and Vogel, and others have each won a variety of things with Caniks, Glocks, etc.
Plenty of people using Staccato XLs in Limited Optics. It's a good fit for that division.
The P is not as competitive in LO as the XL.
The XC, as nice as it is, is not competitive in Open against true open guns due to slide mounted optic, smaller comp, 9mm minor giving up points to major, etc.
But I bet Nils could win with it.
Just don’t drop it 😂
@@Theotherside76 that's what she said 👍