E224 - Benches Clear After Acuña/Oviedo Spat; Brian Snitker Ejected by Bill Miller
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- Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024
- 1B Umpire Bill Miller ejected Braves manager Brian Snitker for arguing an ejection/warnings no-call after Johan Oviedo hit Austin Riley with a 0-1 fastball to load the bases in a then-tied game. In the 1st, Oviedo almost hit Ronald Acuña, leading to an early on-field celebration. Report: www.closecalls...
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Suspend every player that left their position or bench!
People who think Acuna was in the wrong is just plain stupid. What else was he supposed to do? All he was doing was adjusting his batting gloves and looking towards the pitcher. He didnt say anything. He didnt gesture towards him. If a loser pitcher on a losing team gets that butthurt about that then he needs to seek another profession.
You can say what you want about Brian Snitker, but he is not one of these fools getting ejected once a series. He pretty much only gets ejected when someone gets hit or hurt. I respect that. He just wants to protect his guys.
Nothing about what he did (or similar situations through the years) protects his player. It's bravado for show.
@@closethockeyfan5284tell me you haven’t played sports without telling me you haven’t played sports..Rec league doesn’t count 😂
@@nolimitiowa Tell me you have no argument through the most common childish irrelevant nonsense of this age.
Better yet, tell me how Snitker's ejection protected his guys. The Pirates continued to miss inside multiple times. The umpires still followed the rules regarding this issue. Nothing changed. The only difference was Snitker was no longer present.
@@nolimitiowafirst I would say there is nothing silly about how,for instance, Bobby Cox used to get thrown out all the time. He rarely lost it like Aaron Boone or many others. He simply stuck up for his player. He rarely argued unless his player was angry. Second, there are some pretty dam competitive rec-leagues where I'm from in Cobb GA. Half our team simply didn't want to play for our giant high school and it's jerk of a coach or they were playing in the off-season for a rec-team. The managers tend to be bad though and it's all on the players to control the situations that come up. For instance, I hit a home run over 400 ft against a pitcher throwing over 90mph in a rec-league game. So I think your post is potentially bias.
@@closethockeyfan5284I agree with first part of your post. Second part is questionable. The Braves players rarely get into squirmishes or argue. They are extremely professional. Snitker sets a good example. Bobby was great but if there was any negative to his arguing (which I love him for, don't get me wrong) it is that it set a bad example to players and kids watching. Snitker has on multiple occasions stuck up for players being hit. He is mad that his pitchers are warned after two of his own batters got hit. He is sticking up for his pitchers and batters. He has stuck up for Acuna to the point of yelling at the pitcher and this despite the fact that teams arguably have a legit beef with Ronald because he is immature and a bit of a baby who takes exception to everything. Look at how many people have gotten mad at him. About 5 pitchers, two entire teams, his own country's winterball team, some players also didn't want him on the WBC team. There comes a time where this has to at least be considered as more than just people being jealous or mad that he beat them. He gets the benefit of doubt because he is a great person to get young people into the game (also a bad example tho, at times). He and some of his teammates are surely a big reason why baseball is becoming bigger among the black population which is especially good considering the Braves play in a county that has a pretty mixed population and baseball really brings the people together as much as anything does
Pittsburgh hit Ronald earlier this season and he came out of the game. So yeah Ronald has to protect himself. Pitt is a losing organization nothing but loser.
I remember that. It was a fastball, too. Lucky he wasn't hurt worse.
@@gth804f Exactly why let a bunch of losers hurt the MVP?
Ovideo might benefit from some anger management training during the off-season. After that display of aggression I think he deserved a warning.
This is what a coach does... protects his guys
Love Nicky Lopez clapping for his skipper at the end. 😂 GO BRAVES!
Nicky Lopez is my favorite Brave :) Comes into a team where literally the whole infield made the all star game and contributes by being awesome wherever they ask him to play.
The commentator who said that is Jeff Francoeur - that should be all you need to know 😂
Yep, and I'm a Braves fan
Good to see there are some Braves fans out there that aren't always just getting on their knees for the best worst baseball player of all time.
Snitker did something similar to Pablo Lopez when he was with the Marlins a few years back. I mean the man wears all this gear and crowds the plate does he expect no one to hit him or pitch inside to him.
That was the 3rd time the Marlins hit him on the first pitch of the game, plus Acuna and the Marlins have a lot of beef because Acuna torches them. Snitker gets mad because it’s pretty much don’t pitch inside if you can’t execute, cause that’s how Acuna gets hurt.
When they say it wouldnt be intentional becauae it would load the bases. The pirates are 13 games back they have no shot at the postseason so yes this still could have been intentional there season is already over doesnt matter if they win or lose and if they lose they get a higher draft pick
Theres other ways to load the bases!! You don't have to INTENTIONALLY hit a batter to do it !
Snitker makes that scene because he doesn’t want to lose one of his top hitters right before the playoffs, while already having essentially clinched a playoff spot, against a team with nothing to play for. He’s had the same thing happen against the marlins before.
Then petition the MLB GMs to change the rules to include wildness as liable for warning and ultimately ejection. A hundred times more effective
Baseball needs to apply the Hockey Bench rule during a fight, anyone leaving the bench gets ejected, easy to do in baseball, only 9 defensive players allowed on the field, only offensive players active in the current offense allowed on the field, and two field coaches.
If shit did hit the fan though, it could be 9 vs 3 with with a juggernaut where yeah you want to protect your teammate, but its an automatic suspension for you. What about the 9 outfield players? That makes it too complicated.
Seriously? A bench clear for this?
Are we _really_ surprised? Acuna always does this whenever someone misses inside on him.
I would love to know everything that was being said. 😂
The inside pitching to Acuna in general could be in the HU Report as well.
Yes, we all know that it is against the rules to pitch inside to Acuna by now. At least according to braves fans.
@@brianmullaney6237 Exactly my point.
Which wouldn't even be a thing if Jose Ureña hadn't smoked him on the very first pitch that one time. Several YEARS ago.
@@austin.draude Which Braves fans, to this day, still haven't gotten over.
0:53 is an example of cutting the context out and then acting like the announcer is stupid. He was saying that if they issue a warning there and then the pitcher hits somebody he will be ejected.
2:58 If the Braves did hit somebody after this, it would look intentional, and the pitcher would be ejected for it.
Yeah, disappointed with the take here.
Nah, this crew is routinely blatantly ignorant. Like most MLB broadcast teams, they are unqualified to broadcast the sport to a national audience.
Jeff Francoeur is stupid, though.
pitching far inside and high and inside has been a pirates pitching philosophy for more than a decade now ... teams who play against them are sick and tired of being thrown at , simple as
Every team does this, my goodness. It's been a part of the game for virtually its whole existence.
@@closethockeyfan5284 yea sure but the pirates are known for it and utilize it to a extreme
@@James_Ford4815 A narrative peddled in the lazy national baseball media without a shred of material evidence. It arose from the skirmish with the Reds a few years ago, but it had nothing to do with "urrr, dey throw inside more, wahhh" (nobody complained about this strategy used from Little League on up for generations, including every team to this day). It was kicking a little guy while he's down for cheap manufactured drama ratings points, sensationalist nonsense when the truth was they were down to AAA and maybe even AA pitchers from a rash of injuries and attrition.
Wouldn't it be better to fight to lower seat prices.
Commentators not knowing the rules? I'm shocked.
Ronald Acuna Jr. is another million dollar crybaby
That is NL MVP Acuna to you, pal.
@@garrettmitchell4627 so freakin deal, he's always crying about something
Unless punches are thrown, no one should be ejected. There is nothing wrong with the benches clearing in support of one's respective teammate. It's good for the game. It's an injection of adrenaline into an otherwise generally slow-moving ballgame. I'm good with fines. Fine the troublemaker (s). But ejections should never happen, unless punches are thrown.
Acuna overreacted to a belt-high inside pitch, Oviedo massively overreacted to the few words that Acuna sent his way, and the whole bench-clearing fiasco is such a boring, predictable, circus it's a wonder MLB still condones it. Just eject the 1st five players from each team who come off the bench and the 1st two or three who come out of the bullpen. That will put a stop to that nonsense.
Even hockey--a sport where fighting is baked in--banned this nonsense DECADES AGO!
How else are thegonna decide where to meet each other postgame drinks? Fraternization is banned, so have a bench clearing 2-team conference.
I have been watching, playing and umpiring this game for nearly 50 years and I just do not understand its culture or some of its OBR rules…
What is intent? How does anybody truly KNOW what someone else intended to do unless they announce their intentions? Greg Maddux had incredibly consistent control of the baseball. Greg Maddux plunked batters. Do we presume that someone with Maddux-esque control who hits a batter simply MUST have intended to hit them with a pitch? Unless the pitcher tells the umpire they intend to hit a batter with a pitch how do you know when someone is trying to plunk someone versus someone lost control of the pitch? In my opinion, an MLB pitcher who hits 2 batters in an inning or 4 in a game should be ejected. Either that…or the media needs to stop telling us how wonderful and marvelous these guys are.
It wasn't one pitch. It was a pattern. There's no reason for a garbo team like the Pirates to be throwing at two MVP candidates like that. They threw behind Olson today (next game)
So you want to see the batter in a 1 on 9 brawl then. Since his team won’t be able to leave the dugout to have his back.
I like that you went through all these rules like the umps follow half that crap and the announcers aren’t wrong bc if a Braves pitcher hits one of those guys then it could look a lot more like intent
They follow 100% of it, haha, what a preposterous take. They occasionally get things wrong, such as how to manage the nonstop three-ring circus that is the catcher-batter-pitcher clock, but to say they regularly ignore or don't apply rules simply makes clear you're not serious.
And yes, because there is zero incentive for Oviedo to hit someone in that scenario, but the lizard brain mentality of tit-for-tat absolutely can be discerned. Whine all you want about it, but it is correct adjudication of the rule.
Just another superstar thinking he is exempt from inside pitches. Good for the Pirates pitcher not backing down.
“You never want a bench clearing in your game” unless there punches thrown
Im increasingly thinking intent is meaningless. Inside and/or hbp is a problem. Wild? Intentional? Who cares
This is why old school teams used to keep at least one fireballer in the bullpen for paybacks and instant ejections. When the game policed itself, it was much better.
You can still do that. You just might have a suspension for a few games
The game was better with tit-for-tat beanballs? I'm going to disagree on that.
The owners do not want that. So the rules are in place to hinder people from doing that.
Guess pitchers can't work inside anymore.
Of the 2491 pitches Acuña has seen in 2023, the 2-1 pitch was the 17th furthest inside. Acuña has only been hit by pitches that far inside or further. That pitch was further inside than the pitch that hit Austin Riley later in the game. If you can't command your pitches inside, you shouldn't be throwing inside.
@@voxelation If Oviedo was simply wild, why take it personally?
@@voxelation You forgot to mention that he has been HBP a whole 7 times this season, which is a bit off the MLB HBP leader. But nice try on the whole throwing inside to Acuna thing.
@@voxelation So youre saying that every Major League pitcher has perfect control lol? If that was true, there wouldnt be any walks....they want to pitch Acuna inside and he did........imagine, benches clear and the batter wasnt even hit...the wussification of sports is almost the same as society....and Acuna waits until the umpire gets in front of him and then acts like he wants a piece of the pitcher............cant wait to see the Braves get eliminated again in the playoffs lol
@@ktpinnacle Oviedo wasn't wild. Oviedo bounced two fastballs in the first inning, only after the benches cleared. He was pitching inside with purpose. When he saw Ozuna leaning over the plate with two strikes, he threw 95 up and in. He threw 97 at the hands of Michael Harris II. Oviedo had made 90 pitches and had given up three consecutive singles in the 4th inning before the Austin Riley HBP. Third base was open, and I do think the HBP was intentional. Oviedo had to know he wasn't going to be allowed to face Matt Olson again.
Acuna is an immensely talented player, perhaps the best in the game right now, but he seems to overreact far too often to inside pitches as if they are a personal insult. To me it tarnishes his image a little bit. I'm hoping he matures beyond it.
If you've gotten hit as often as he has, you'd start to take it personally too. It's usually the Marlins, but pitchers throw inside to him all the time, and it's not like he sits on the plate
He's been targeted by intentional HBP since he was a rookie in 2018 when the Marlins started doing it. That's going to color how you perceive 90+ mph fastballs 15 inches inside the plate.
@@bkeechi7 times in 2023. 59th in the league. There are 22 players with double digit HBP.
Acuna is a baby.
@@voxelation44 times in his entire career. There are guys that take 30 every season.
Acuna is a giant baby.
he gets hit a LOT
Acuna things he can never be pitched inside. what a prima donna
He's suffered a couple significant injuries from HBP in the past. I don't blame him for not liking it.
@@Leafsdude You can not like it but it doesn't mean people can't do it. He is in fact rending towards prima donna.
@@dougr188 Meh. If you don't like it, I think that's enough to imply that someone can't do it. Or, at least, shouldn't do it.
Also note that he's clearly not suggesting you can't do it at all. Just don't throw so far inside that you almost hit him on the calf. He took those first two pitches inside like a champ.
@@Leafsdude he continually dives over the plate going after pitches out over the plate. the way pitchers combat that is by pitching inside. Acuna makes a point of over reacting when pitcher do this in an effort to negate the effect. yes, he gets hit at times and it happens based on the way he attacks pitches.
@@Leafsdude44 In his career. 7 this season. He's being a child. Welcome to baseball.
If he were playing hockey he would complain about every forecheck.
I can't believe more guys don't throw at Acuna the way he acts like a jack ass on the field. The more mlb embraces celebration theatrics on the field the more brawls were going to see.
Look man, if you throw 90 mph beachnalls middle middle and they get hit 500 feet, you need to be worrying about your location problems instead of a little bat flip. Pitchers are the softest athletes in all of sports. They get a strikeout with runners on 2nd and third and get to scream and fist pump and cuss at the batter and opposite dugout, but God forbid a batter his moonshot and stares at it. Get over yourself.
Baseball has gotten soo weak. Pitchers have to pitch inside in order to keep the batter off the plate. That was a normalcy in the MLB. I understand they’re trying to protect the batters, however the batters go up there wearing all kinds protection now a days anyway
Why are the Braves playing a single A team?
I think the entire league is A compared to the Braves. They seem to be the team to beat.
Are you advocating for Premier League rules for MLB? I’m down :-)
The Pirates won this game!
@@briansolo Using AAA or any of the minor leagues for it doesn't work. The minor league players are being paid by the MLB team they are affiliated with.
You're more right than what many have said. History is Acuna missed a WS run. The Braves are playing for a Championship, while many of this perinial basement teams are trying to make statements by pitching in the battery's box.
With pitchers able to throw 100+ mph the pitchers should be forced to be removed if they are wild. I don't know what the rule would be, but if they are endangering the lives of other players then they should be removed.
Endangering lives? Really? How many players have been killed by these modern 100+mph fastballs?
This might be one of the worst takes I've seen here.
or at least remove the three-batter minimum if there's a hit batsman
@@geoffroi-le-Hook that rule just needs to go away entirely now that we have short games.
The commentators should lose their accreditation for those comments
I’m willing to bet that if we had the “book” on how to pitch to Mr. Acuna… it would be to pound the inside … this pitcher just appears to have sucky control. I don’t thing any of the pitches had the intent to drill.. Snitker wanting an EJ? He’s being removed… you’re better off this way Brian.. if his coach removes him.. the new pitcher gets 1.5min to warm up… if he’s EJ’d.. he gets all the time he wants…. either way.. his game is over.. it’s not like he’ll get suplimental punishment with the EJ… wasted time to get EJ’d…
Pirates pitchers seem to have bad control much more when they are pitching to acuna and olson. (they threw behind olson today - next game after this video)
Over under 233 ejections by the end of September?
Over.
Piss poor game management by the umpires.
Acuna may go down as one of the most insufferable players in MLB history.
Lol no
@bkeechi yes. I hope mookie or Freddie wins mvp. I want to watch Acuna cry.
When a bottom dweller team is coming damn close to hurting players on the best team in baseball there's a problem. At some point you gotta throw out the pitcher just for not being major league material if he can't throw without hitting people. Last thing we want is the playoffs determined by a AA-quality pitcher on the pirates. The two batters involved were 2 of the top 4 NL MVP candidates. Coincidence? Nah. Revenge for Mark Lemke? I'm not saying, but I'm just saying....
What on earth are you even talking about? There is nothing between these teams or players; Oviedo is a bona fide MLB starter; the Pirates won the game and have been playing well for a month or more; I would be shocked if anyone on the Pirates roster knows who Lemke is.
You can make the argument for a rule change to penalize wildness without ridiculous nonsense. But it's also been part of the game for more than a century, and only recently has the whining been this loud, my goodness.
@@closethockeyfan5284 "Oviedo is a bona fide MLB starter" Then throw strikes. If you're going to be wild, probably be wild to all the hitters, not just acuña and olson. Also, they threw *BEHIND* Olson today (the next game).
What an idiotic proposal. There's no rules support for an ejection for playing poorly...only for behaving poorly. If you want to give umpires the ability to eject a pitcher who misses the zone, then you should give the crew the ability to eject batters who swing and miss, or fielders who flub a routine play.
Pirates are known for pitching inside. Props to Brian for taking one for his team.
Yes, because *every* team pitches inside. My goodness, the whining is absurd.
Props for what? What he did made objectively zero difference. They're not going to change the rule mid-game just because "wahh, wonnie m-b-p and his bwave fans no likey meanieface piwates twy to use wegitimate stwategy of 160 years instead of thwow meatball and wie down to wose, wahhhh!"
Umps should have tossed both those cubanos as soon as they caused benches to clear
What in the world does their nationality have to do with it?
@@closethockeyfan5284 would you prefer if I called them beaners?