Nice INFORMATIVE VIDEO. I'm a BIG 22lr person, I've been shooting 22's since 1964, shooting my older brother's Remington Nylon 66. I didn't REALLY shooting 22lrs till I turned 21 in 1973, and I purchased a 22lr semi-auto (Beretta 70s), but it EATS EVERYTHING that I put into it! A bit later, I got a Walther PP in 22lr, and it was a GREAT SHOOTER for a small short barreled 22lr (3.9"). When I used Winchester Wildcats in it, the pistol would ACT UP as though it was a piece of CRAP. BUT it would shoot Remington Thunderbolts quite accurately, even giving my Beretta model 76W (6" older target pistol) run for its money. So that's why I wouldn't buy Winchester Wildcats if they were $1.00 for a box of 50rds!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PROMOTING THE 2ND AMENDMENT!!! 22lrs are a GREAT WAY to get people into the shooting sports and just PLINKING!!!😊😊
Other than a good cleaning only thing I did was put in a new return spring. Mine has the Squirrell Wood Stock. Produced in 1977. Couple of weeks ago I purchased a Glenfield Model 20 Bolt Action. Has a Woodchuck on the Stock and also produced in 1977! @@crankygunreviews
Glad to see this, just bought a bulk pack of thunderbolt hoping to be pleasantly suprised. I hate to say this but, It is beyond ridiculous what YT has been doing and I've finally had enough, I'm leaving YT for good. I lived nearly 40 years of my life without YT and did just fine, I'm sure I can do without it for the rest of my life so no big loss for me. I'm sure I can spend my time much more productively and actually enjoy what I'm doing during that time. Because of YT's censorship and promotion of misinformation and propaganda while censoring opinion or competing narratives, even factual data, and constantly changing content "policies", like the recent mag capacity policy, i cannot continue to support this platform. I wish nothing but the best of luck to you and all the other content creators who remain! Take care and God bless!
Yeah I’m not a fan of their policies and censorship either, but I have learned a great deal about a great deal from the platform. I stay for the people and the content as long as I can.
I have a taurus pt22 poly that eats the golden bullet like candy the only thing is it's a little dirty but otherwise it's great stuff way better than that Winchester bulk garbage or the federal auto match
I’ve heard a LOT of people having problems with the Winchester white box. I haven’t tried it in my 10/22 and thanks to guys like you, I won’t be getting any. Thanks for the video. You probably saved me (and others) the aggravation of trying to do plinking with subpar ammo.
'plinking' IS what you do with subpar ammo. The good stuff is for more serious hunting and range work. I plink with old 1990s Remington thunderbolts that had the boxes soaked with rain for a few days. That's my plinking ammo. My hunting ammo is CCI.
@@timd729 I understand where you’re coming from with the plinking vs hunting. I’m not much of a fan of plinking with ammo that you can’t hit what you’re aiming at though. Even plinking ammo should be relatively accurate. I also use CCI for a little more serious shooting. CCI has always worked well for me in my rifles.
I’ve had very good luck with the Remington golden bullets also. Everyone knows that 22lr is notoriously dirty and every gun seems to run better with a specific round. There’s a TON of different ammo out there to test in your specific rifle. I always like to test a lot of them and find what it likes before buying a lot of it. 👍
Guys used to ask me why I test like 10 kinds of ammo in all my guns- you never know when you can only get one brand, and it is nice to know what will work or not work in various firearms.
Maybe with some but i never had troubles with bulk, and I promise I mean no disrespect or sarcasm, but a question. Have you had personal bad experience with bulk, or did you just hear that from somene else and pass it on as fact?
I found sometimes 2 or 3 empty shells like that in my 555 boxes. They also tend to jam in my semi-auto guns, pistols and rifles. You can audably hear once or twice per 10 rounds that you get an underpowered round. The Thunderbolts are pretty much the same, except they don't jam on me. The Golden Bullets are generally some pretty good stuff, almost akin to Mini Mags (in my experience). Federal blue box used to be the best bulk you could buy, but my last 500rd box of it had roughly one dud primer per every 10 shots. CCI used to be my go to, but I somewhat recently had a squib load from them and they basically called me a liar until they watched the video evidence... no more CCI for me. I have switched to Aguila
@@crankygunreviews I bought a bunch of their stuff before the pandemic, but I also ordered a 2000rd case of their Super Extra for $200 during- you gotta be on top of those ammoseek alerts...
550 federal red box.... Kind of like a bulk pack version of mini mags... Bullets are tight in the case and velocity is 1250fps.. not bad ammo to stock up on before the Covid panic hit.
I've had pretty good luck with Remington Golden. My only complaint about it is that it is kind of dirty. It has been the only ammo that jammed my .22LR revolver, but a good cleaning fixed that and, to be fair, it took a lot of rounds before it gunked the action up enough to cause the cylinder to stop turning
I would say this is par for the course. Hard to even mention rimfire and not think of the dirtiest round due to so much unburned powder. It's almost like a tiny black powder load with a brass casing with it. With semi-autos, being so dirty it doesn't have much respite for them as a bolt action does being easier to clean. I don't own any bolt action 22s yet just a lever and semi. I would just put more into a gun that I can clean easier at the range with a quick CLP if the ammo is that dirty.
@@FireSkittlez85 I think more premium 22LR tends to be, if not cleaner, at least less dirty. I've never had gumming problems with things like Mini-Mags that I have had with Remington Golden
@@grahamohea2424 I would absolutely agree with you since they spend more on quality components in rounds that cost a quarter or more instead of those that border the 5 and dime area.
Good to see the Winchester "White Box" ammo working in your 10/22, as the Super-X did not feed at all in my 10/22, using BX-25, BX10. I've had no problems with Remingtion Golden Bullet.
With cheap ammo that has marginal quality control it appears that different lot numbers perform significantly different. I just finished a 500 round box of thunderbolt today and never had one issue. I had a bucket of golden bullets and I had about 4% duds. Yet another person I know had a bucket of golden bullets and it worked great for him. I guess of one wants reliable 22 LR ammo they need to choose wisely.
The pains of .22 We have actually had some duds with CCI Mini Mag. Also, I ran a bucket of bullets through the FN502 with only a handful of bad rds. I would buy it again for sure
I haven't dug into the Remington yet, but messing around off camera in the Beretta Bobcat, I found that Winchester 36 gr HP actually expanded in Clear Ballistics. The hollow cavity is pretty real, as where Federal's is just a dimple. Maybe I will mess with Remington Golden Bullet when I can.
My favorite bulk pack .22 ammo is Golden Bullet. Yes it is dirty and you get the golds color on your hands but the stuff works. I purchase the Buckets when ever I can.
I have several of the 525 packs of it, it has come a long way. When I started shooting it was pretty terrible. The Aguila bill packs are my favorite right now, I almost never have a dud or light load, and they’re prices well too
Ive got a 10-22 with a couple of banana clips like the ones you're shooting, ive found if i hold the clip like you're doing i had the same problems with the feed, ive made it a point to hold it by the front stock & my problems with the feed have all but disappeared. just saying this has been my experience. maybe something to consider, enjoy your videos, keep up the good work!
I recently bought a box of Remington Golden Bullets, haven't had the chance to shoot them yet. I've been having issues with Federal AutoMatch bulk ammo, mostly problems with light loads that don't cycle. Thanks for this video!
I had good luck with thunderbolt my last range trip. Two 10/22 rifles and a Henry ar7 and walther p22 all shot the thunderbolt with no issues. The whole box had one weak round that didn’t quite cycle the walther but for an entire box I was surprised. I brought mini mags just in case because a couple guns were new. Never had to use it. I’ll buy more thunderbolt until I see different results
I have about 15 thousand rounds of each haven't shot either one hell iam still working on the bricks i bought at Walmart 20/25 years ago with a price tag of 6.86 for 500 rounds
Without watching the video yet I will say up front I like Remington Ammunition, I had 250 rounds of Remington Thunderbolt in 50 count boxes I bought at Kmart in 1978 and stored it in my Garage until I moved to Florida and in 2018 when I went shooting and fired all 250 rounds without a single failure from my High Standard Citation. Those rounds weathered freezing winters and 100 degree summers without a failure, I am so glad they are back manufacturing Ammo again. Now lets see where the video goes.
The 1970’s thunderbolt is not the modern thunderbolt. Modern stuff mostly shoots ok, but has a lot of loose bullets, light loads etc, but is still pretty reliable. And it’s much better than Winchester White box bulk
Nice stock on that 10/22 rifle. I put a Magpul on mine and I like it quite a bit. Thus far I've mostly shot Federal AutoMatch out of it but I do have a few boxes of the Remington Thunderbolt and Winchester Golden Bullet HP so it's good to know those work pretty well too. I mostly save the really cheap stuff for my old Remington Model 582 bolt action as that'll eat anything but now I know I have other options for my 10/22. I also got a Ruger MkIV 22/45 that I've been shooting CCI MiniMag exclusively so maybe someday I'll give those other brands a try in that. Thanks.
I have had very good luck with Golden bullets in my.22s & at one time my Victory model pistol wouldn’t cycle the WWB but now it runs anything I can find and I’ve only shot one box of Thunderbolts and I think I had one out of:500 that didn’t go off so I put it in a revolver and it worked. I enjoyed your test and appreciate the time and money you spent
I realized this way to your old post. But one of the things I noticed was that the Winchester, the ejection was all over the place from about a 1 o'clock position to about a 4 or 5 o'clock position and the Remington was almost all at the 3 o'clock position. It says to me that the Remington thunderbolt is a lot more consistent, and velocity should be too. The Remington golden had more consistency than the Winchester as far as ejection but not as good as the thunderbolt. I've used a lot of the Remington golden round nose ( not the hollow point) and have always had good accuracy and function of the rifle I used (Remington nylon 66) I've had it since I was 11 or 12 years old given to me by my grandfather (I'm 61 now) and I just recently passed it on to my son and it will eventually be my grandsons. I used the 22lr almost exclusively for rabbit and squirrel hunting, head shots only, and I have never seen a difference between the hollow point and the round nose bullet for killing small game. I do think that the round nose feeds better and more accurate by a small amount. This is for standard velocity ammo not the hyper velocity stuff. I don't have much experience with it. My go to 22lr for the last several years has been a Marlin 39a golden made in 1980 and the accuracy from it is amazing, using a Skinner peep sight. And it doesn't stovepipe, jam, or failure to eject, hahaha. Plus it will fire 22lr, 22short, and if you can find it 22 long. I've actually dropped a mixture of all three down the tube and they worked flawlessly.
I live not far from the Winchester ammo plant in Oxford Mississippi. For such a clean, modern up to date facility you would think their rimfire equipment was worn out! Fail to fire, extreme velocity spreads, blown out cases, you name it. CCI and Federal are still good but the price has increased about 50 percent in the past 2 years. Anyone tried any current production Remington Thunderbolt or Golden Bullets?
I have both thunderbolt and golden bullets, and they’re still way better than Winchester .22lr. I never actually had complaints about thunderbolt, it’s always run great in my guns. The golden bullet is decent, it can be hit or miss, but mostly decent.
Thunderbolt is a damn fine cheap ammo. Lead and carbon fouling and all. In small defense of that white box- it is a lower grain bullet, and lower grain bullets guarantee problems in semiautomatic weapons. But it is crap, seen more bent cases and loose bullets in those than anywhere else by far.
For me and my .22LRs 8+ of them, I'll never buy the Golden. FTF, FTE in multiple instances and firearms rifle and pistol. My favored bulk pack is Aguila HV followed Federal AutoMatch. But 22s are notorious for being picky with ammo.
Aguila is my favorite too. But it’s not always available near me. I am not saying that golden bullet or thunderbolt is great ammo by any means, but it’s better than Winchester white box
Last year I bought my brother-in-law’s older 10-22 because he wanted a new take-down. I use both the Winchester WB as well s the Thunderbolt, both in 36 grn HPS (for squirrels) and we were shooting together the first time. I had 1 failure to fire in the Winchesters in about 200 rnds, none in the Rems (A very old box I had) He was using the banana mags and I always stick to the flush fitting 10 rnd ruger mags. He was getting all sorts of feed failures. Plus the old 10-22 was more accurate (but that might be me vs him) I was getting sub one inch groups at 50 yards, with both ammo brands, and no impact shift in my scope. Not saying his gun was not as good as the old one, nor the banana mags, but he did say he would buy it back any time I wanted to sell it to him. I declined. But he went to CCI and is happy now.
@@crankygunreviews I know that this is 8 months late to the party, but the WWB 22lr from the previous panic from 2013-2015 (mostly a rimfire drought) was even worse. Missing bullets, duds, mis inserted bullets, dirty as hell. It's so dirty it chokes up my revolver in less than 20 rounds!
@@robertlemaster7525 I must have gotten lucky with two or three boxes that I had from around 2016 or 2017 then. Because since then it is all been garbage to me
My small sample size has many failure to fires from the Winchester Black bulk box. I just bought a case of the Remington Golden Bullets. They seem to be more reliable in my guns.🤞
In my experience, golden bullet is MUCH cleaner than thunderbolt. Plus it’s hollow point so does double duty for hunting. Plus the bullet is plated, so less lead exposure.
I got a Marlin model 60, Ruger 10/22,S&W Compact 22 and I started shooting 22LR when I was 11 years old in 1973 and I have NEVER had good luck with Winchester ammo of any kind every 22 semi-auto I’ve ever had jammed using Winchester! NEVER had that problem with CCI and Federal or even Remington. CCI is all I shoot now. I just wait till it’s a decent price and buy a lot
Totally fair assessment. I quit purchasing “Bulk Packaged” ammo due to the way they bounce around and smash into themselves when shipped. (FWIW = all brands) Worst QC = Remington Golden Bullets before bankruptcy. I don’t purchase anything from the company. I think this is the reason CCI doesn’t sell bulk packs?
CCI was selling bulk packs, they were in like a round plastic container with a screw on cap. But they were not like 500 rounds they were like 250 rounds or 325 rounds.
@Cranky Gun Reviews, cool I haven’t seen those. During the .22 Obama scare, I did happen across those “vanity packed” Swamp people alligator skinned Choot EM!. They were way overpriced and the boxes actually had water damage (moist and crumpled) I picked them up even though I knew better because .22’s were hard to come by. Mark it up to the silly things people do!
@@stevenmerlock9971 yeah this last “shortage” saw lots of shop selling ancient ammo on the shelves, and some shops buying unopened ammo back from customers and selling as new… that infuriated me, and I won’t buy ammo from that guy anymore. www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/clean-22_suppressor/6-980CC.html www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/clean-22/6-946XMAS.html
I haven't had issues with anything except cci stingers .. longer casing messes with chambering.. at least my experience.. I really like aguila out of my 10/22 and glock 44.. with the pistol I can hit a 2 inch circle at 60 feet all day and I'm fine with that
@@crankygunreviews I have since tried aguila, and they have become my personal favorite. The powder burn smells very unique, too. Smells like if acetone was mixed with syrup.
@@theepicpeguin Aguila is my favorite now too. Only the 50 rd packs in stores lately near me, but I bought several thousand rounds last year. I have a lot of odd ball bulk and random I need to shoot up
I had been saving WinchGarbage white for a self def rnd & they won't cycle through my 2 TX, savage rifle, Remington rifle, my Marlin rifle, & r even duds in my 2 revolvers! I just thought Fed bulk wasn't very good but they cycle every time, Remington is far better bulk than WinchGarbage!
Federal bulk is usually plenty good. The Remington surprised me, it has gotten better. If you’re gonna carry a 22 for defense, use better ammo than bulk- mini mags, velocitors, stingers, stuff like that.
Ahh gee thanks :) lol I always think my voice is dull, but that’s because it’s my voice. I’ve don’t literally hundreds of presentations professionally so I have no problems talking
So, all in all, a person can expect random failure to fire in .22 rimfire from nearly all available ammo. Does that seem to be a correct assumption? Of course there may be exceptions but not as common. And, different machines may be able to overcome this issue due to manufacturing variables.
Yeah and no… certain brands are better, and usually bulk pack ammo will have more failures due to packaging, and being shipped banging in to each other. But in general, Winchester bulk ammo has been terrible the last few years in my experience
That is a correct assumption, but gotta read the fine print...with bulk .22 the failure rate will be higher, but a few major brands do seem better than others, but all it takes is a bad box to skewer perception...the higher priced .22 can run at near 99.99% reliability but the price IS a factor...for taking the grandkids to the range decent bulk ammo is the answer, along with close supervision...we run lever actions, which can accommodate pretty much ANY bulk ammo available (and keep a revolver handy to rotate, hit again any fail to fire...about a 98% success rate, there are genuine dud rounds)...
Those ripping T Bolts should really consider what they are, good cheap plinking ammo for practicing your marksmanship .I use HP ammo for hunting squirrels cuz it hits harder and is more of a game stopper. I have always had good luck with T bolts and they are almost impossible to get now with the ammo shortage.
They showed up for a few weeks online, and sold out really fast. Auto match was still cheaper or I would have bought more. I’ve had great luck with thinderbolts
Walmart in my area (Mississippi) have had automatch throughout the jab years and this past week I have seen the ammo shelves full, yes full of ammo. Automatch, Remington 525 golden bullets, CCI, various choices, federal 50rd blue packs, new Remington subsonic 100rd they’re copper coated, cci milk cartons, blazer 525 packs , Winchester silver tip, 300&222 bulk, and others, I have been in shock seeing all these rounds and them not selling out! I bought a bunch and now they have put up a 3 box limit but what I’m looking forward to trying is the NEW SUBSONIC COPPER PLATED REMINGTON 100 packs, just watching your video yours were just lead bullets and I still have some of the lead Remington subsonic, I will try and post a video on them if YT doesn’t take it down.. lol 🙏🏻🇺🇸🤙🏻💯
@@22addict40 yeah stores are starting to get a lot more stock now! And like you said, shelves are staying full, I hope this means some prices will come down. Of course, events of the last few weeks may make some people panic but again, but at least supply is going up.
I've shot Remington thunder bolts for bout 40yrs mostly what I hunt with very little problems I won't shoot Winchester if their loose in the box to many bad ones
Yes, that’s what I’m finding too. The Winchester that comes in the 100 round slip cases tends to be much higher quality, and I think it’s made on a totally different production line. Even the head stamps are different, and the ones that come in the slip cases rarely ever have any issues. They are much higher quality.
Not this time, no. But I went into this knowing what the outcome would be. Winchester has had crap quality over the past few years on their white box Super x .22 ammo.
I hear a lot of "bad" things with all of these and a lot of good things. I could go on with how one rifle and one handgun was responsible for all this testing but you still give it all a great set for a collaborative effort. I have to say I don't see the 555 rounds but the Winchester white box in general has been bought a couple times. I will prefer Automatch over the Winchester. Local Walmarts have this stuff quite a bit these days, in fact it's about the only box I can find consistently and multiple boxes often for a little over 20 dollars. Do a test on those?
Yeah, auto match has been back for several months now- been seeing the Thunderbolt at cabelas and the golden bullets at Walmart pretty regularly too now.
@@crankygunreviews a little less than a year ago I found the golden bullets bucket at Walmart and at its price I couldn't turn it down which was about 60 dollars. Right now it's about doubled if you find it in the other stores. Time to take my daughter out and hit some steel
@@FireSkittlez85 I haven't seen blazer in stores in probably 18 months. I bought out a Dicks when they were selling 500 rd bricks for like $16.50 a brick... Probably have 2000 rds left
You call it White Box, but I had a white box of Winchester Wild Cat that maybe 10 of 500 misfires, failed to eject was the most common issue. Winchester Super X I did not like at all, to much wax. I have a brick of Remington that is 10 years old , and it is junk. The new Thunderbolt I got along with Federal, was not very good. Federal Punch is awesome, 300 rounds, not a single fail, Aguila is also very good and cheap. Armscor is crap. CCI wins for me. Federal Punch for the pistols. All fired in Rugers, 10/22, 22 Charger, and Mark II Standard.I will try...The Golden Bullet. Good review, thanks.
Federal punch did not work in my LCP II so I don’t carry it in that. I run stingers in all my 22 revolvers if I carry them because it’s reliable, faster, and heavier than punch. The thunderbolt used to be the cheapest stuff, but was still better than Winchester Super X in the white box. I like Aguila the most, for the price and reliability right now, but it’s not always available locally so I either have to drive to get it or buy it online. Armscor I’ve actually had good luck with, but it was an older box from early Covid and was probably left over from Pre-Covid
OK, so we are on the same page. Winchester Wildcat is not Super X. SupX was over-waxed for me, and caused issues gumming my mags and bulk loader. Wildcat is not waxed the same way and worked well . Punch would not run in my Walther PP rimfire, and am not surprised no good in your LCP, but when it runs, it runs. Cool fireball, loud and powerful. Anyways, your, these reviews do sane a buck here and there. Thanks again! @@crankygunreviews
Winchester has gone down the crapper . The quality control is not like it use to be.Remington Golden Bullet is ok I like Federal. Federal has never let me down. Their bulk or not seems to have stepped up on quality control.
Winchester Super X or any of it's variant ammo is absolutely garbage! I have tried it in all my 22's and it is the worst ammo! Nothing but problems. Absolutely NO problems with Remington Golden Bullet - EVER! This is the truth!
The super x in the red slip cases of 100 rounds always have run great, even in the LCPII I have, but it’s just the bull I dislike. I think the slip cases are made at a different plant or at least on a different line- they have the Winchester “W” on the headstamp, the super X says “Super X” on the headstamp
It depends on your individual firearm. That being said this conversation really means nothing. EXAMPLE- Everybody complains about Remington Golden Bullets. My Ruger mark 111 has fired I would hate to say how many thousands of them with not as much as a hiccup. Now it does like a lot of different brands but I think the attention aught to be in striving to make your firearm shoot as many a brands as possible. Lots of things you can do to most firearms to make them perform better. SHOOT SAFE!!!!!!!
I always had better luck with Win. Though my last box or 2 have looked rough and have had some stovepipe with both the marlin semi and a keltec p17. I never cared for the thunderbolt due to the lead. Though now auto match seems to be the most prevalent & affordable around here, has the same issue. Though runs better than my experience with rem. havent tried it for years maybe I'll check some out.
I’ve never had issues with leading - sure when I’ve cleaned guns out I’ve had lead shard come out of the barrel after putting a few hundred rounds through them, but that’s Normal- you need to clean your guns anyway. The Winchester works decent in bolt action rifles, just not in most pistols
Winchester is, to be frank, rubbish. Quality went out the door ages ago. I have been using CCI/ Federal Blazer almost exclusively. I noticed that people were buying Golden Bullet 525, so I joined in. I now happily have 1575 rounds as back up ammo I know I can rely on.
I never bought another Winchester 333 or 555 ever again. 50 misfires from any box is too much. The QC on was bad because the lead head was slightly bigger than the casing. Is like they just sloppily made. Remington white 333, 555 jams alot. Never touched or messed with that again. Poor Quality Control
I have found a lot of ammo has gone downhill they used to be better many years ago the quality got messed up by them shutting down and reopening with new employees and just trying to push ammo out as fast as possible
Did you count how many rounds are in the box? If you got as many as the box says are in the box, don't sweat it. It may just be a disgruntled worker. Just move on.
That has not been my experience, I think that had a bad run before 2014 when I started buying it. I’ve shout literally thousands of rounds of it, and a few duds, and some light loads, but never a squib, and never had one explode
@@jesselima5682 I’ve had better luck with thunderbolt than Winchester white box bulk that was kinda the point. There are lots of people out there that can’t afford (or won’t) mini mags, or other more expensive ammo. I make these videos because they’re questions I once asked, and didn’t have a lot of info on. I also like trying the ammo in many different platforms to see what it works in
I always wear earplugs, maybe you can’t always see them, but I always have them in. I usually wear safety glasses, but they fog up sometimes especially when it’s cold out, so I do take them off from time to time. I try to wear them as much as possible.
Yup...ours will get dirty pretty quick with Remington but until that moment the stuff runs great...never tried the round nosed Winchester, the truncated nose stuff will not feed in our lcp...
I’ve been thinking of getting one- I don’t have a great way to set one up yet though. I use a range at a sportsman’s club, and I don’t have a lot of room to set up- also, if other people are there, I can’t go in front of the bench, so there’s no place to put one. I guarantee if I did chrome testing on these the velocity would vary by a hundred or more on some…
@@christopherguss199 if you watched the whole video you would see I’m clearly not indoors. We have a roof over the shooting area at my range, and it was retry cold out. The thin latex gloves are enough to keep the wind off your hands thus making me be able to shoot longer in cold weather without needing more bulky gloves. It’s nothing like having true insulation, but it is a wind and vapor barrier against weather. It works. I actually did a faq about it- I’m not trying to look BAD, I’m trying not to get frostbite when it’s cold out
@@justinpennington7682 they’re more reliable than Winchester white box, and cost less. Sure they have some light loads in every box, a few duds, but all bull ammo has that. I’ve never had a Thunderbolt squib and they go boom more frequently than not.
Not the ones I've shot, every once in a while youlle get a light round but generally their good cheap plinking rounds. I dont use them for hunting as I like hp ammo for it's harder hitting qualities.
What wimp wears rubber gloves to shoot a 22. I have shot Remington before and they were pure garbage. Would not cycle in a semi auto or bolt action due to all the bullets were loose in the brass and I mean ALL.
I have explained many times, even did a FAQ about why I wear latex gloves when shooting so I am not going to qualify your question. Remington is not as good as CCI, or Blazer, or Aguila, or several other brands... But I was specifically comparing Thunderbolts, Winchester White box, and Golden bullets in this test so look at it objectively.
@@crankygunreviews been there for awhile brother. I'm to the point where the only federal I use is auto match as well. I have good luck with all CCI except stingers( only because I shoot a Benz chamber) and use all Aguila but prefer the lead round nose. (I stay away from hollow points because of accuracy issues.
Nice INFORMATIVE VIDEO. I'm a BIG 22lr person, I've been shooting 22's since 1964, shooting my older brother's Remington Nylon 66. I didn't REALLY shooting 22lrs till I turned 21 in 1973, and I purchased a 22lr semi-auto (Beretta 70s), but it EATS EVERYTHING that I put into it! A bit later, I got a Walther PP in 22lr, and it was a GREAT SHOOTER for a small short barreled 22lr (3.9"). When I used Winchester Wildcats in it, the pistol would ACT UP as though it was a piece of CRAP. BUT it would shoot Remington Thunderbolts quite accurately, even giving my Beretta model 76W (6" older target pistol) run for its money. So that's why I wouldn't buy Winchester Wildcats if they were $1.00 for a box of 50rds!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PROMOTING THE 2ND AMENDMENT!!! 22lrs are a GREAT WAY to get people into the shooting sports and just PLINKING!!!😊😊
@@hawkeyeinthehouse2995 yeah I’ve not had good luck lately with much of the Winchester 22 ammo
I picked up a Vintage Glenfield Model 60. Was having a little trouble with different brands .22s. Found it likes Remington Thunderbolts.
I need to get another model 60 so I can show how to tune them. I had two, both ram crappy, so easy to make them work good
Other than a good cleaning only thing I did was put in a new return spring. Mine has the Squirrell Wood Stock. Produced in 1977. Couple of weeks ago I purchased a Glenfield Model 20 Bolt Action. Has a Woodchuck on the Stock and also produced in 1977! @@crankygunreviews
Glad to see this, just bought a bulk pack of thunderbolt hoping to be pleasantly suprised. I hate to say this but, It is beyond ridiculous what YT has been doing and I've finally had enough, I'm leaving YT for good. I lived nearly 40 years of my life without YT and did just fine, I'm sure I can do without it for the rest of my life so no big loss for me. I'm sure I can spend my time much more productively and actually enjoy what I'm doing during that time. Because of YT's censorship and promotion of misinformation and propaganda while censoring opinion or competing narratives, even factual data, and constantly changing content "policies", like the recent mag capacity policy, i cannot continue to support this platform. I wish nothing but the best of luck to you and all the other content creators who remain! Take care and God bless!
Yeah I’m not a fan of their policies and censorship either, but I have learned a great deal about a great deal from the platform. I stay for the people and the content as long as I can.
Fun little tidbit, Remington designed and manufactured their own rimfire manufacturing equipment back in the early 1950's and it's still in use today.
That’s cool!
I have a taurus pt22 poly that eats the golden bullet like candy the only thing is it's a little dirty but otherwise it's great stuff way better than that Winchester bulk garbage or the federal auto match
I’ve heard a LOT of people having problems with the Winchester white box. I haven’t tried it in my 10/22 and thanks to guys like you, I won’t be getting any. Thanks for the video. You probably saved me (and others) the aggravation of trying to do plinking with subpar ammo.
Yeah the irony is, I used to use this stuff as a Go-TO back in like 2016 and 2017, but the last few batches I bought were garbage
'plinking' IS what you do with subpar ammo. The good stuff is for more serious hunting and range work. I plink with old 1990s Remington thunderbolts that had the boxes soaked with rain for a few days. That's my plinking ammo. My hunting ammo is CCI.
@@timd729
I understand where you’re coming from with the plinking vs hunting. I’m not much of a fan of plinking with ammo that you can’t hit what you’re aiming at though. Even plinking ammo should be relatively accurate. I also use CCI for a little more serious shooting. CCI has always worked well for me in my rifles.
I like the Remington bullets. Both Thunderbolt and the bucket of Golden bullets.
Me too!
I’ve had very good luck with the Remington golden bullets also. Everyone knows that 22lr is notoriously dirty and every gun seems to run better with a specific round. There’s a TON of different ammo out there to test in your specific rifle. I always like to test a lot of them and find what it likes before buying a lot of it. 👍
Guys used to ask me why I test like 10 kinds of ammo in all my guns- you never know when you can only get one brand, and it is nice to know what will work or not work in various firearms.
There is a reason why it’s bulk ammo. Cause it’s sub standard. You get what you pay for.
Maybe with some but i never had troubles with bulk, and I promise I mean no disrespect or sarcasm, but a question. Have you had personal bad experience with bulk, or did you just hear that from somene else and pass it on as fact?
I found sometimes 2 or 3 empty shells like that in my 555 boxes. They also tend to jam in my semi-auto guns, pistols and rifles. You can audably hear once or twice per 10 rounds that you get an underpowered round. The Thunderbolts are pretty much the same, except they don't jam on me. The Golden Bullets are generally some pretty good stuff, almost akin to Mini Mags (in my experience).
Federal blue box used to be the best bulk you could buy, but my last 500rd box of it had roughly one dud primer per every 10 shots. CCI used to be my go to, but I somewhat recently had a squib load from them and they basically called me a liar until they watched the video evidence... no more CCI for me.
I have switched to Aguila
I love Aguila, but it’s not as available right now. And their prices went up a bit too-
@@crankygunreviews I bought a bunch of their stuff before the pandemic, but I also ordered a 2000rd case of their Super Extra for $200 during- you gotta be on top of those ammoseek alerts...
550 federal red box.... Kind of like a bulk pack version of mini mags... Bullets are tight in the case and velocity is 1250fps.. not bad ammo to stock up on before the Covid panic hit.
Where is the CCI Blazer? The Blazer works for me, Thunderbolts most of the time also.
Blazer wasn’t cheap when I ran this test- and blazer is pretty
Good overall, so it wasn’t a bottom rung type ammo IMO
Blazers are 👍
@@johnpower8356 I’ve had great luck with them as well
I've had pretty good luck with Remington Golden. My only complaint about it is that it is kind of dirty. It has been the only ammo that jammed my .22LR revolver, but a good cleaning fixed that and, to be fair, it took a lot of rounds before it gunked the action up enough to cause the cylinder to stop turning
I would say this is par for the course. Hard to even mention rimfire and not think of the dirtiest round due to so much unburned powder. It's almost like a tiny black powder load with a brass casing with it. With semi-autos, being so dirty it doesn't have much respite for them as a bolt action does being easier to clean. I don't own any bolt action 22s yet just a lever and semi. I would just put more into a gun that I can clean easier at the range with a quick CLP if the ammo is that dirty.
@@FireSkittlez85 I think more premium 22LR tends to be, if not cleaner, at least less dirty. I've never had gumming problems with things like Mini-Mags that I have had with Remington Golden
@@grahamohea2424 I would absolutely agree with you since they spend more on quality components in rounds that cost a quarter or more instead of those that border the 5 and dime area.
Good to see the Winchester "White Box" ammo working in your 10/22, as the Super-X did not feed at all in my 10/22, using BX-25, BX10. I've had no problems with Remingtion Golden Bullet.
Yeah the white box is iffy at best. I had issues with it loading in my 10/22 as well, guess I just got lucky this time
If you don’t mind the gold dusting of everything, golden bullet is a great round.
With cheap ammo that has marginal quality control it appears that different lot numbers perform significantly different. I just finished a 500 round box of thunderbolt today and never had one issue. I had a bucket of golden bullets and I had about 4% duds. Yet another person I know had a bucket of golden bullets and it worked great for him. I guess of one wants reliable 22 LR ammo they need to choose wisely.
Yeah I think it’s to be expected with bulk, I’ve had better luck with thunderbolt than many others
The pains of .22 We have actually had some duds with CCI Mini Mag. Also, I ran a bucket of bullets through the FN502 with only a handful of bad rds. I would buy it again for sure
The golden bullets surprised me! If it runs in my LCP II then it’s good to me
Good review of available ammo. Thanks for making this video.
No problem! I tend to try to get CCI, Federal, Blazer, and Aguila first, but I like trying all kinds
I haven't dug into the Remington yet, but messing around off camera in the Beretta Bobcat, I found that Winchester 36 gr HP actually expanded in Clear Ballistics. The hollow cavity is pretty real, as where Federal's is just a dimple. Maybe I will mess with Remington Golden Bullet when I can.
I’d love to see the results if you do!
Run them 22LR tests
My favorite bulk pack .22 ammo is Golden Bullet.
Yes it is dirty and you get the golds color on your hands but the stuff works.
I purchase the Buckets when ever I can.
I have several of the 525 packs of it, it has come a long way. When I started shooting it was pretty terrible. The Aguila bill packs are my favorite right now, I almost never have a dud or light load, and they’re prices well too
Ive got a 10-22 with a couple of banana clips like the ones you're shooting, ive found if i hold the clip like you're doing i had the same problems with the feed, ive made it a point to hold it by the front stock & my problems with the feed have all but disappeared. just saying this has been my experience. maybe something to consider, enjoy your videos, keep up the good work!
I recently bought a box of Remington Golden Bullets, haven't had the chance to shoot them yet. I've been having issues with Federal AutoMatch bulk ammo, mostly problems with light loads that don't cycle. Thanks for this video!
That’s odd, auto match has been very consistent for me- every once in a while it won’t cycle my SR22 or the LCPII but they’re pretty low velocity.
I had good luck with thunderbolt my last range trip. Two 10/22 rifles and a Henry ar7 and walther p22 all shot the thunderbolt with no issues. The whole box had one weak round that didn’t quite cycle the walther but for an entire box I was surprised. I brought mini mags just in case because a couple guns were new. Never had to use it. I’ll buy more thunderbolt until I see different results
Thunderbolt seems to be decent quality
Thunderbolts run well for me in everything I own. Only issue is I can get auto match for less and it shoots as well for me.
so glad l got the golden .22's for my John Iverson .22 revolver. Great test!
The golden bullets surprised me
@@crankygunreviews those lil babies(.22) can get the job done. 😀
@@ericb.-3132 I love all my .22’s :)
I have about 15 thousand rounds of each haven't shot either one hell iam still working on the bricks i bought at Walmart 20/25 years ago with a price tag of 6.86 for 500 rounds
first time into the 22lr ammo and noticed this too in both the packs i bought, only casing, bent rounds, several duds and no ejection.
Yeah unfortunately, that’s “common” in some bulk ammo
Without watching the video yet I will say up front I like Remington Ammunition, I had 250 rounds of Remington Thunderbolt in 50 count boxes I bought at Kmart in 1978 and stored it in my Garage until I moved to Florida and in 2018 when I went shooting and fired all 250 rounds without a single failure from my High Standard Citation. Those rounds weathered freezing winters and 100 degree summers without a failure, I am so glad they are back manufacturing Ammo again. Now lets see where the video goes.
The 1970’s thunderbolt is not the modern thunderbolt. Modern stuff mostly shoots ok, but has a lot of loose bullets, light loads etc, but is still pretty reliable. And it’s much better than Winchester White box bulk
Nice stock on that 10/22 rifle. I put a Magpul on mine and I like it quite a bit. Thus far I've mostly shot Federal AutoMatch out of it but I do have a few boxes of the Remington Thunderbolt and Winchester Golden Bullet HP so it's good to know those work pretty well too. I mostly save the really cheap stuff for my old Remington Model 582 bolt action as that'll eat anything but now I know I have other options for my 10/22. I also got a Ruger MkIV 22/45 that I've been shooting CCI MiniMag exclusively so maybe someday I'll give those other brands a try in that. Thanks.
I have had very good luck with Golden bullets in my.22s & at one time my Victory model pistol wouldn’t cycle the WWB but now it runs anything I can find and I’ve only shot one box of Thunderbolts and I think I had one out of:500 that didn’t go off so I put it in a revolver and it worked. I enjoyed your test and appreciate the time and money you spent
Thanks I appreciate you watching! I love doing these videos
I realized this way to your old post. But one of the things I noticed was that the Winchester, the ejection was all over the place from about a 1 o'clock position to about a 4 or 5 o'clock position and the Remington was almost all at the 3 o'clock position.
It says to me that the Remington thunderbolt is a lot more consistent, and velocity should be too.
The Remington golden had more consistency than the Winchester as far as ejection but not as good as the thunderbolt.
I've used a lot of the Remington golden round nose ( not the hollow point) and have always had good accuracy and function of the rifle I used (Remington nylon 66) I've had it since I was 11 or 12 years old given to me by my grandfather (I'm 61 now) and I just recently passed it on to my son and it will eventually be my grandsons.
I used the 22lr almost exclusively for rabbit and squirrel hunting, head shots only, and I have never seen a difference between the hollow point and the round nose bullet for killing small game.
I do think that the round nose feeds better and more accurate by a small amount.
This is for standard velocity ammo not the hyper velocity stuff.
I don't have much experience with it.
My go to 22lr for the last several years has been a Marlin 39a golden made in 1980 and the accuracy from it is amazing, using a Skinner peep sight.
And it doesn't stovepipe, jam, or failure to eject, hahaha.
Plus it will fire 22lr, 22short, and if you can find it 22 long.
I've actually dropped a mixture of all three down the tube and they worked flawlessly.
Marlin makes great 22’s. You’re right about the erratic ejection- it has to do with varying velocities.
I live not far from the Winchester ammo plant in Oxford Mississippi. For such a clean, modern up to date facility you would think their rimfire equipment was worn out! Fail to fire, extreme velocity spreads, blown out cases, you name it. CCI and Federal are still good but the price has increased about 50 percent in the past 2 years. Anyone tried any current production Remington Thunderbolt or Golden Bullets?
I have both thunderbolt and golden bullets, and they’re still way better than Winchester .22lr. I never actually had complaints about thunderbolt, it’s always run great in my guns. The golden bullet is decent, it can be hit or miss, but mostly decent.
Thunderbolt is a damn fine cheap ammo. Lead and carbon fouling and all. In small defense of that white box- it is a lower grain bullet, and lower grain bullets guarantee problems in semiautomatic weapons. But it is crap, seen more bent cases and loose bullets in those than anywhere else by far.
I wouldn’t call thunderbolt “fine” ammo but I have no problems shooting it.
For me and my .22LRs 8+ of them, I'll never buy the Golden. FTF, FTE in multiple instances and firearms rifle and pistol. My favored bulk pack is Aguila HV followed Federal AutoMatch. But 22s are notorious for being picky with ammo.
Aguila is my favorite too. But it’s not always available near me. I am not saying that golden bullet or thunderbolt is great ammo by any means, but it’s better than Winchester white box
Last year I bought my brother-in-law’s older 10-22 because he wanted a new take-down. I use both the Winchester WB as well s the Thunderbolt, both in 36 grn HPS (for squirrels) and we were shooting together the first time. I had 1 failure to fire in the Winchesters in about 200 rnds, none in the Rems (A very old box I had) He was using the banana mags and I always stick to the flush fitting 10 rnd ruger mags. He was getting all sorts of feed failures. Plus the old 10-22 was more accurate (but that might be me vs him) I was getting sub one inch groups at 50 yards, with both ammo brands, and no impact shift in my scope. Not saying his gun was not as good as the old one, nor the banana mags, but he did say he would buy it back any time I wanted to sell it to him. I declined. But he went to CCI and is happy now.
I had better luck with older Winchester white box, but these ones from the 2016-2018 timeframe are just garbage.
@@crankygunreviews Today's cars and trucks are turning into rolling piles of expensive scrap also.
@@crankygunreviews I know that this is 8 months late to the party, but the WWB 22lr from the previous panic from 2013-2015 (mostly a rimfire drought) was even worse. Missing bullets, duds, mis inserted bullets, dirty as hell. It's so dirty it chokes up my revolver in less than 20 rounds!
@@robertlemaster7525 I must have gotten lucky with two or three boxes that I had from around 2016 or 2017 then. Because since then it is all been garbage to me
My small sample size has many failure to fires from the Winchester Black bulk box.
I just bought a case of the Remington Golden Bullets.
They seem to be more reliable in my guns.🤞
I just bought some of the M-22 Winchester, it’s worse than the white box bulk
I've always had really good luck with the thunderbolt
As have I
In my experience, golden bullet is MUCH cleaner than thunderbolt. Plus it’s hollow point so does double duty for hunting. Plus the bullet is plated, so less lead exposure.
I agree with you in all counts, BUT thunderbolt runs better than winchester
I got a Marlin model 60, Ruger 10/22,S&W Compact 22 and I started shooting 22LR when I was 11 years old in 1973 and I have NEVER had good luck with Winchester ammo of any kind every 22 semi-auto I’ve ever had jammed using Winchester! NEVER had that problem with CCI and Federal or even Remington. CCI is all I shoot now. I just wait till it’s a decent price and buy a lot
Marlin 60’s can be tuned to eat anything, so if they don’t run Winchester, you know it’s bad :)
I have a Ruger SR 22 .it a 10 round pistol, for anyone unfamiliar. It is very ammo selective. It runs thunderbolt the best of any ammo iv tried
Yah round nose high velocity like CCI mini mags, Aguila, or Thunderbolt work well in the SR22
Totally fair assessment. I quit purchasing “Bulk Packaged” ammo due to the way they bounce around and smash into themselves when shipped. (FWIW = all brands)
Worst QC = Remington Golden Bullets before bankruptcy. I don’t purchase anything from the company.
I think this is the reason CCI doesn’t sell bulk packs?
CCI was selling bulk packs, they were in like a round plastic container with a screw on cap. But they were not like 500 rounds they were like 250 rounds or 325 rounds.
@Cranky Gun Reviews, cool I haven’t seen those. During the .22 Obama scare, I did happen across those “vanity packed” Swamp people alligator skinned Choot EM!. They were way overpriced and the boxes actually had water damage (moist and crumpled) I picked them up even though I knew better because .22’s were hard to come by. Mark it up to the silly things people do!
@@stevenmerlock9971 yeah this last “shortage” saw lots of shop selling ancient ammo on the shelves, and some shops buying unopened ammo back from customers and selling as new… that infuriated me, and I won’t buy ammo from that guy anymore.
www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/clean-22_suppressor/6-980CC.html
www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/clean-22/6-946XMAS.html
I haven't had issues with anything except cci stingers .. longer casing messes with chambering.. at least my experience.. I really like aguila out of my 10/22 and glock 44.. with the pistol I can hit a 2 inch circle at 60 feet all day and I'm fine with that
Different guns can be picky as well/ that’s why I tried so many pistols
I really enjoy thunderbolts and golden bullet. But my preferred inexpensive 22lr would be the federal (champion) blue box, if I could get any.
I think my favorites are Aguila super extra
@@crankygunreviews I have since tried aguila, and they have become my personal favorite. The powder burn smells very unique, too. Smells like if acetone was mixed with syrup.
@@theepicpeguin Aguila is my favorite now too. Only the 50 rd packs in stores lately near me, but I bought several thousand rounds last year. I have a lot of odd ball bulk and random I need to shoot up
I wonder if your holding onto the magazine has anything
to do with feeding?
I don’t think so
I think the Ghosts that haunt Winchester manor have moved to the factory.
I agree- it’s been so bad lately
I had been saving WinchGarbage white for a self def rnd & they won't cycle through my 2 TX, savage rifle, Remington rifle, my Marlin rifle, & r even duds in my 2 revolvers! I just thought Fed bulk wasn't very good but they cycle every time, Remington is far better bulk than WinchGarbage!
Federal bulk is usually plenty good. The Remington surprised me, it has gotten better. If you’re gonna carry a 22 for defense, use better ammo than bulk- mini mags, velocitors, stingers, stuff like that.
This dudes voice makes me feel like I’m watching a PBS documentary... in s good way ....
Ahh gee thanks :) lol I always think my voice is dull, but that’s because it’s my voice. I’ve don’t literally hundreds of presentations professionally so I have no problems talking
It’s bulk ammo what do you expect the 22 Round is the most unreliable anyways
So, all in all, a person can expect random failure to fire in .22 rimfire from nearly all available ammo.
Does that seem to be a correct assumption?
Of course there may be exceptions but not as common. And, different machines may be able to overcome this issue due to manufacturing variables.
Yeah and no… certain brands are better, and usually bulk pack ammo will have more failures due to packaging, and being shipped banging in to each other. But in general, Winchester bulk ammo has been terrible the last few years in my experience
That is a correct assumption, but gotta read the fine print...with bulk .22 the failure rate will be higher, but a few major brands do seem better than others, but all it takes is a bad box to skewer perception...the higher priced .22 can run at near 99.99% reliability but the price IS a factor...for taking the grandkids to the range decent bulk ammo is the answer, along with close supervision...we run lever actions, which can accommodate pretty much ANY bulk ammo available (and keep a revolver handy to rotate, hit again any fail to fire...about a 98% success rate, there are genuine dud rounds)...
Good video. I just bought golden bullets before I saw this
They’re not perfect, you’ll still have a few duds or light loads, but they’re not bad
Those ripping T Bolts should really consider what they are, good cheap plinking ammo for practicing your marksmanship .I use HP ammo for hunting squirrels cuz it hits harder and is more of a game stopper. I have always had good luck with T bolts and they are almost impossible to get now with the ammo shortage.
They showed up for a few weeks online, and sold out really fast. Auto match was still cheaper or I would have bought more. I’ve had great luck with thinderbolts
Walmart in my area (Mississippi) have had automatch throughout the jab years and this past week I have seen the ammo shelves full, yes full of ammo. Automatch, Remington 525 golden bullets, CCI, various choices, federal 50rd blue packs, new Remington subsonic 100rd they’re copper coated, cci milk cartons, blazer 525 packs , Winchester silver tip, 300&222 bulk, and others, I have been in shock seeing all these rounds and them not selling out! I bought a bunch and now they have put up a 3 box limit but what I’m looking forward to trying is the NEW SUBSONIC COPPER PLATED REMINGTON 100 packs, just watching your video yours were just lead bullets and I still have some of the lead Remington subsonic, I will try and post a video on them if YT doesn’t take it down.. lol 🙏🏻🇺🇸🤙🏻💯
@@22addict40 yeah stores are starting to get a lot more stock now! And like you said, shelves are staying full, I hope this means some prices will come down. Of course, events of the last few weeks may make some people panic but again, but at least supply is going up.
@@crankygunreviews yes sir 🙏🏻🇺🇸🤙🏻💯
Thanks
Your results may vary but these are my results :)
Remington hollow point works for coyote hunting nicely.
22lr seems anemic for coyote…
@@crankygunreviews Well, let's just say they're lethal on 200lb hogs also. Aim small,miss small
@@Red-vn4xq that’s true, just seems like at any distance you’d want at least a 22 WMR or 17HMR
I suggest you use cci solid round nose coated copper jacket bullets when using a 1022
I ruined my 1022 mags by leaving them loaded, the mags weakened lots of jams on anything.
I leave mine loaded, haven’t had any issues yet. The rotary mags you can put more tension on, and the 25 rounds use a flat spring that’s coiled up
You hang on to mag. Some times sometimes not can cause feeding problems
@@leerobinson6929 sometimes… but not this time
I've shot Remington thunder bolts for bout 40yrs mostly what I hunt with very little problems I won't shoot Winchester if their loose in the box to many bad ones
Yes, that’s what I’m finding too. The Winchester that comes in the 100 round slip cases tends to be much higher quality, and I think it’s made on a totally different production line. Even the head stamps are different, and the ones that come in the slip cases rarely ever have any issues. They are much higher quality.
I've had the same results with the Winchester crap. Why shoot inferior ammo out of an expensive rifle?
Cause it’s cheap? Lol. I didn’t always have funds to put premium ammo through all my rifles- sometimes I still don’t.
did you start with a clean gun at each test of each brand?????
Not this time, no. But I went into this knowing what the outcome would be. Winchester has had crap quality over the past few years on their white box Super x .22 ammo.
Proof is in the pudding thanks man. Cci stanger And then golden Bullet.
I wouldn’t put golden bullet second by any means, they’re are many others that are still better… Aguila Super extra for instance.
Testing ammo that is 5 years old is not a good comparison test unless you are just doing old ammo. If its stored poorly could be the reason its crap.
It’s stored in ammo cans with desiccant in my bedroom closet- 68-75 degrees all the time, it’s as good storage as you can get
I hear a lot of "bad" things with all of these and a lot of good things. I could go on with how one rifle and one handgun was responsible for all this testing but you still give it all a great set for a collaborative effort. I have to say I don't see the 555 rounds but the Winchester white box in general has been bought a couple times. I will prefer Automatch over the Winchester. Local Walmarts have this stuff quite a bit these days, in fact it's about the only box I can find consistently and multiple boxes often for a little over 20 dollars. Do a test on those?
Yeah, auto match has been back for several months now- been seeing the Thunderbolt at cabelas and the golden bullets at Walmart pretty regularly too now.
@@crankygunreviews a little less than a year ago I found the golden bullets bucket at Walmart and at its price I couldn't turn it down which was about 60 dollars. Right now it's about doubled if you find it in the other stores. Time to take my daughter out and hit some steel
@@FireSkittlez85 Walmart has the 1400 rd golden bullet buckets for just around $80 now. Still the cheapest price around
@@crankygunreviews I've only found them once so I gotta time it right. Been waiting to see the Blazer 1050 count box...its elusive.
@@FireSkittlez85 I haven't seen blazer in stores in probably 18 months. I bought out a Dicks when they were selling 500 rd bricks for like $16.50 a brick... Probably have 2000 rds left
You call it White Box, but I had a white box of Winchester Wild Cat that maybe 10 of 500 misfires, failed to eject was the most common issue. Winchester Super X I did not like at all, to much wax. I have a brick of Remington that is 10 years old , and it is junk. The new Thunderbolt I got along with Federal, was not very good. Federal Punch is awesome, 300 rounds, not a single fail, Aguila is also very good and cheap. Armscor is crap. CCI wins for me. Federal Punch for the pistols. All fired in Rugers, 10/22, 22 Charger, and Mark II Standard.I will try...The Golden Bullet. Good review, thanks.
Federal punch did not work in my LCP II so I don’t carry it in that. I run stingers in all my 22 revolvers if I carry them because it’s reliable, faster, and heavier than punch. The thunderbolt used to be the cheapest stuff, but was still better than Winchester Super X in the white box. I like Aguila the most, for the price and reliability right now, but it’s not always available locally so I either have to drive to get it or buy it online. Armscor I’ve actually had good luck with, but it was an older box from early Covid and was probably left over from Pre-Covid
OK, so we are on the same page. Winchester Wildcat is not Super X. SupX was over-waxed for me, and caused issues gumming my mags and bulk loader. Wildcat is not waxed the same way and worked well . Punch would not run in my Walther PP rimfire, and am not surprised no good in your LCP, but when it runs, it runs. Cool fireball, loud and powerful. Anyways, your, these reviews do sane a buck here and there. Thanks again!
@@crankygunreviews
@@Mad1Mike I may try the wildcat if you’ve had better luck- the Super was good for a period of time, but around 2018 started going in the toilet
I haven't had any problems with Winchester ammo out of my lcp2
That’s good to hear- mine hated it
Winchester has gone down the crapper . The quality control is not like it use to be.Remington Golden Bullet is ok I like Federal. Federal has never let me down. Their bulk or not seems to have stepped up on quality control.
I agree, and right now federal auto match is still the cheapest
Winchester Super X or any of it's variant ammo is absolutely garbage! I have tried it in all my 22's and it is the worst ammo! Nothing but problems. Absolutely NO problems with Remington Golden Bullet - EVER! This is the truth!
The super x in the red slip cases of 100 rounds always have run great, even in the LCPII I have, but it’s just the bull I dislike. I think the slip cases are made at a different plant or at least on a different line- they have the Winchester “W” on the headstamp, the super X says “Super X” on the headstamp
It depends on your individual firearm. That being said this conversation really means nothing. EXAMPLE- Everybody complains about Remington Golden Bullets. My Ruger mark 111 has fired I would hate to say how many thousands of them with not as much as a hiccup. Now it does like a lot of different brands but I think the attention aught to be in striving to make your firearm shoot as many a brands as possible. Lots of things you can do to most firearms to make them perform better. SHOOT SAFE!!!!!!!
I’ve had good luck with golden bullets and thunderbolt in most of firearms, but you’re right/ what’s good in one gun may not work in another
I always had better luck with Win. Though my last box or 2 have looked rough and have had some stovepipe with both the marlin semi and a keltec p17.
I never cared for the thunderbolt due to the lead. Though now auto match seems to be the most prevalent & affordable around here, has the same issue. Though runs better than my experience with rem. havent tried it for years maybe I'll check some out.
I’ve never had issues with leading - sure when I’ve cleaned guns out I’ve had lead shard come out of the barrel after putting a few hundred rounds through them, but that’s Normal- you need to clean your guns anyway. The Winchester works decent in bolt action rifles, just not in most pistols
Winchester is, to be frank, rubbish. Quality went out the door ages ago. I have been using CCI/ Federal Blazer almost exclusively. I noticed that people were buying Golden Bullet 525, so I joined in. I now happily have 1575 rounds as back up ammo I know I can rely on.
Golden bullet used to be junk, it’s pretty reliable now in my testing
Dudchester vs. Jammington
🤣🤣 if only these were British ammo companies
Всем привет!!!Я стреляю патронами Remington 22 ЛР. Они очень хорошие и надёжные!!!
They’ve had bad quality in the past, but I have had decent luck with it recently
@@crankygunreviews Из моего оружия ТОЗ-16 пули летят хорошо и в цель.
I never bought another Winchester 333 or 555 ever again. 50 misfires from any box is too much. The QC on was bad because the lead head was slightly bigger than the casing. Is like they just sloppily made. Remington white 333, 555 jams alot. Never touched or messed with that again. Poor Quality Control
Yep, I’m in the same boat.
I have found a lot of ammo has gone downhill they used to be better many years ago the quality got messed up by them shutting down and reopening with new employees and just trying to push ammo out as fast as possible
Yeah, they’re centerfire stuff is fine though
Did you count how many rounds are in the box? If you got as many as the box says are in the box, don't sweat it. It may just be a disgruntled worker. Just move on.
@@TheArby13 no I didn’t, and I had several boxes with the same results
Thunderbolt is the worst ammo I have. Bought that ammo would explode in my smiths and rugers
That has not been my experience, I think that had a bad run before 2014 when I started buying it. I’ve shout literally thousands of rounds of it, and a few duds, and some light loads, but never a squib, and never had one explode
@@crankygunreviews I mean to be honest it’s hit or miss with 22 but I will never buy thunderbolt ever again
@@jesselima5682 I’ve had better luck with thunderbolt than Winchester white box bulk that was kinda the point. There are lots of people out there that can’t afford (or won’t) mini mags, or other more expensive ammo. I make these videos because they’re questions I once asked, and didn’t have a lot of info on. I also like trying the ammo in many different platforms to see what it works in
Gloves, good. What about eyes and ears?
I always wear earplugs, maybe you can’t always see them, but I always have them in. I usually wear safety glasses, but they fog up sometimes especially when it’s cold out, so I do take them off from time to time. I try to wear them as much as possible.
In my personal experience white box it hot garbage, Golden bullet is fantastic, and I’ve never shot thunderbolts
Thanks for your input
My lcp 2 loves Thunderbolt and Golden bullet. never shot winchester
Yup...ours will get dirty pretty quick with Remington but until that moment the stuff runs great...never tried the round nosed Winchester, the truncated nose stuff will not feed in our lcp...
Hey where’s the chronograph???
I’ve been thinking of getting one- I don’t have a great way to set one up yet though. I use a range at a sportsman’s club, and I don’t have a lot of room to set up- also, if other people are there, I can’t go in front of the bench, so there’s no place to put one. I guarantee if I did chrome testing on these the velocity would vary by a hundred or more on some…
What are the gloves for ????
keeping my hands warmish without the bulk of regular gloves.
Looks to me like you're indoors. Plus those are nothing but cheap, thin vinyl gloves . I guess you're just trying to look BAD!!!
@@christopherguss199 if you watched the whole video you would see I’m clearly not indoors. We have a roof over the shooting area at my range, and it was retry cold out. The thin latex gloves are enough to keep the wind off your hands thus making me be able to shoot longer in cold weather without needing more bulky gloves. It’s nothing like having true insulation, but it is a wind and vapor barrier against weather. It works. I actually did a faq about it- I’m not trying to look BAD, I’m trying not to get frostbite when it’s cold out
Thunderbolts are horrible
Not based on tests I’ve done. They’re reliable, and reliable ammo is better than no ammo in my experience
@@crankygunreviews reliably horrible
@@justinpennington7682 they’re more reliable than Winchester white box, and cost less. Sure they have some light loads in every box, a few duds, but all bull ammo has that. I’ve never had a Thunderbolt squib and they go boom more frequently than not.
Not the ones I've shot, every once in a while youlle get a light round but generally their good cheap plinking rounds. I dont use them for hunting as I like hp ammo for it's harder hitting qualities.
@@twolak1972 me too - had good luck with thunderbolts
What wimp wears rubber gloves to shoot a 22. I have shot Remington before and they were pure garbage. Would not cycle in a semi auto or bolt action due to all the bullets were loose in the brass and I mean ALL.
I have explained many times, even did a FAQ about why I wear latex gloves when shooting so I am not going to qualify your question. Remington is not as good as CCI, or Blazer, or Aguila, or several other brands... But I was specifically comparing Thunderbolts, Winchester White box, and Golden bullets in this test so look at it objectively.
I don't waste my money on either one! Ever!
Well I’m getting to a point where I only buy Aguila or CCI or federal
@@crankygunreviews been there for awhile brother. I'm to the point where the only federal I use is auto match as well. I have good luck with all CCI except stingers( only because I shoot a Benz chamber) and use all Aguila but prefer the lead round nose. (I stay away from hollow points because of accuracy issues.