Tbh didn't Kelly express her true persona in real life? Just because she found a partner doesn't mean she never lived her true self? Just like if her partner was a girl instead she would still live her true persona even if she never got the chance to be with a man. Fits Yorkie more since she couldn't live her life, was lesbian and had parents that hated her sexuality. Maybe im wrong but I just see it that if you are bisexual doesn't mean you have to be with both genders before death, some times you just meet the right one early in life.
@@MrFasho123 I think they're more referring to Yorkie since in the video, Bryce describes her putting down the glasses as "finally being comfortable with herself"
Honestly I don't think that's a fair or accurate summation of the episode. Yorkie was, due to the time period where she had her crash, limited in the way she could express her true self, but Kelly seems to have lived a full and happy life and was - at least before she met Yorkie - only going to San Junipero to have an escape from the life her aging body had trapped her in. As someone with chronic pain issues, trust me, if I could go to a virtual place for a few hours every day where I could still run around and climb trees and not worry about being in pain, I would do it too. Their ending is happy and hopeful. No one is STUCK in San Junipero, all the permanent residents have the ability to "move on" when they've reached that point, and in the meantime being able to relive the days when you were young and able-bodied and maybe make yourself into the person you wish you could've been in life is really empowering to me. Kelly and Yorkie will be happy, until they're done (and they both - even Yorkie - WILL be done at some point, people weren't meant to live forever and psychologically I think they'll hit an end point at some time), and in the meantime they get to be young and beautiful and carefree in a way they couldn't always be in life, and I think that's beautiful and comforting.
@@maggienewson8859 With technology that high, I think they have a reset button for memories. Different body builds. I think the black woman would want to be with her husband and kid and may request that simulation. Though I doubt her husband would ever forgive her for doing the things she had done, so she may have to fix somethings with her fake husband like make him a bit more nice or open (which in theory is not her husband when it comes down to it).
I’m not trying to be a “missionary” here, but putting some faith in Godly intervention makes our technological future less intimidating - and arguably feasible. “Heaven will envelop the Earth” is a related verse to consider 😏
I mean anyone in the 1700s would probably find that most people having access to 1 ton machines that can travel 80+ Mph , in seconds, to be exciting and horrifying.
@ManyProphets OneMessage No, it’s horrifying for those who only focus on the bad. I think we will figure out everything, like we have done for 500,000 years.
Kelly and Yorkie as a couple worked so well for me. Their personality types totally different and yet again connected through their (shared) loneliness. And their chemistry was in plain terms off the charts!
Kelly was pretty deep to. She claims she would not forgive her husband, but in reality or "reality" as I should quote, that she knows her husband wherever he is would never forgive her for that antic. Kelly believed in the after life and was afraid of facing them.
@@aseeds7785 What antic?? Falling in love again, or the casual sex she was having BEFORE she met Yorkie? Kelly wasn't afraid of facing them because she doesn't believe in an afterlife! She believes they are nowhere. Gone. Obliterated. Ceased to be. Annihilated. No longer conscious. THIS IS AN EX-FAMILY! Watch the show & quit putting your thoughts into the characters' heads! She CLEARLY said she wished she believed that her daughter & husband were together but SHE DOESN'T!! Her husband has nothing to forgive (not that he COULD forgive anything since he's DEAD). She didn't cheat on him, even when she was hooking up w/ people in SJ. She has no obligation to never have feelings for someone else after his death. It's right in the wedding vows: "Until death do us part." Do you think every widower & widow should abstain from companionship for the rest of their lives? What if she had lost them when she was in her 20s? Should she never remarry or have more children because she MIGHT be reunited w/ her original family in some afterlife that just as likely doesn't exist? Or are you one of these misogynists who believe that a surviving wife should throw herself onto her dead husband's funeral pyre & die, too!
It takes a few hours after seeing it (and looking up a video like this explaining it) to even begin to understand it. One of the most clever episodes for sure.
it's pretty pissing off that people are saying that the reason this episode is loved is that of lesbians and that the writers gave it an optimistic ending for the same reasons. But it isn't. Its one of the most beautiful episodes in the series, with lively cinematics and a gut-wrenching story, which makes you question reality itself. The ending might have turned out optimistic for Yorkie and Kelly, but it really puts forward the question of humanity and death. The episode deals with the long old battle of heaven, and if it exists or not. People don't seem to understand, this episode would've been just as amazing if it didn't have the LGBT aspect to it. Making the story centered around lesbians just adds to the accepting nature of the show and only fuels the story with more power. It's nice seeing Yorkie finally happy free and Kelly finally moving on, whilst questioning their reality. It really merges two very different questions and gets our gears turning, gets us thinking about the afterlife, gets us thinking about how heaven could actually be.... a place on Earth.
Harshit Sohaney I thought the rsn ppl loved this episode so much was cuz of the lesbians at first! But that’s cuz I didn’t really understand it. After the 3rd viewing, I’m starting to understand it more, and I’m sure when I watch it again, it will catapult to being one my favorite episodes!!
Harshit Sohaney I actually think the ending is somewhat sad because Kelly sort of-abandons her daughter and husband who are waiting for her-somewhere else.
@ManyProphets OneMessage You have provided no proof of what you're saying, and are just ranting. This is not the place for your religious dogma. Goodbye, Janet.
@@russ8001 The episode could be seen as optimistic or pessimistic. Their version of heaven is staying in a delusion for as long as they believe it, but don't realise they are just programs and no longer actual conscious real beings.
dude i watched this when i was high and i totally thought they were time travelers and it made a whole lot of sense. more sense than this video tbh. definitely recommend black mirror high lmao
@りょう dont think its about belief system,its a technical thing,is it a real transfer or a copy,i guess we wont ever know as thats irelevant to the actual point of the episode,meh
Except I missed something, isn't the Quagmire meant to suggest the fading bliss of San Junipero? That eventually every decays into numbness and the Quagmire patrons are searching for feeling again.
That's a good point. I'm not sure, but you might be right. That could make it like the Twilight Zone episode where the thief goes to "heaven" where he gets everything he wants... but then realizes it takes all the passion out of life.
It definitely is there to show us that after a certain amount of time (which can be very long in a VR you cannot die in) all of the thrills become less exciting, since at the end of the day everyone knows it is a VR world, where you can even adjust your own pain levels and such. So all the old dwellers of SJ end up in the Quagmire, trying to find some thrill in the numb VR world they reside in...
I think it wasn't meant to suggest anything other than the fact that sometimes, people want a visceral escape. Sometimes people are hurting and lonely and miserable and they want something gritty and sexual and grounding to express that. the Quagmire wasn't a bad place, it was just a place that someone like Yorkie wasn't going to find any comfort or belonging in, because that's a) not the person she was, and b) a sort of experience she never got to HAVE. Of COURSE she's going to be uncomfortable with the unabashed sexuality of a place like that, but older people who DID get to live their full lives getting to be young again? Some of them are just gonna want to bang and that's a fact. For once, I think reading too deeply into any of the clubs is just going to ruin or muddy the message of the episode, which (to me, as an adult disabled lesbian) was more about "it's never too late to find yourself, it's never too late to start over, maybe one day even death can be a starting point for being true to yourself".
You missed discussing some of my favorite foreshadowing in this episode, which is one I love to rewatch: Yorkie's glasses not being needed for vision correction (since she's virtual). All the foreshadowing that it's VR (the young guy with the worn-out knee cap replacements dancing, "five months to live" being taken in stride, the cavalier attitude about reckless driving, and the brilliant double meanings such as people being dressed inauthentically because they got it out of a movie, or two women dancing not being a big deal anymore -- that is, not like it was in the real 1987). The two reveals (the mirror that unsmashes itself and does not cause bleeding, which reveals it's VR, and the line that follows "you might try a different time" being years instead of hours. I also think it's worth mentioning the characters who forget the point of the whole thing: the guy who, restored to youth for a few precious hours, spends it complaining about his medical woes and recent surgery, and the guy whose idea of a good time in an immersive VR is to play virtual video games. Finally, I'd have liked to hear your opinion on whether the montage of Yorkie trying on different clothes is really the montage we think it is, or whether plugging in a new cassette instantly dresses her in a predefined outfit that matches the music. You made some good points and pointed out a detail or two I'd missed, but I'd have liked more analysis and less paraphrasing of the dialog we all heard.
The relationship between the girls is one thing, but I mainly love the production and setting of this episode. It stirs up emotions and memories. The idea of a mercurial figure who everyone seems to desire, the jumping between time periods in a location that obviously evokes memories of great times in the user's past. The music's brilliant (bar Kylie in the 90s lol), the sun seemingly is setting over the ocean for the whole weekend, and even the clubs aren't too packed. Even though I wasn't even born in the 80's, it brings me a sad feeling that youth isn't forever.
How does the advance technology make it possible for Kelly and Yorkie to find love? And what are the opportunities and freedoms of SJ that allow for their relationship to blossom? Plss answer i need help
All that is physical comes and goes; all form changes. Therefore, seek the eternal within yourself, the Lovingness that pervades all things and beings.
I've always thought that when Kelly crashed her car and saw Yorkie's face first after she got up made her change her mind about now passing over. She learned that maybe there's nothing after she dies so she might as well try San Junipero and be with Yorkie. After all, they can call the simulation off if they didn't feel like it anymore, as Yorkie mentioned.
This episode really got to the core of me, my biggest fear in life is ageing and the fact you can’t stop getting older makes me sad. This episode really woke me up and made me understand how precious the time I’m living in now is what really matters, to not look back on the past and to keep striving forward. To know that I don’t have to wait until I die to live the life I always dreamed of living.
Jay Melendez I’ve almost gone crazy. I recently got rejected by someone who was really into me and this got me thinking about alternative scenarios, or clinging to a feeling of joy, almost like eternity. I never felt this weird.
@@Richard97402 I don't think it was without rhyme or reason, I think it was that there were multiple "instances", so to speak, of San Junipero, and you could choose the one you wanted to be in.
Kelly stayed behind because in reality she believed in the afterlife, and can not face her husband or their daughter in the afterlife after the stunt she has pulled. She felt disgraced, and chose to be graceful about it by staying.
This episode really hit me hard. My fiancée had a cardiac arrest and is in a similar vegetative state like Yorki - she can't see or move but can hear. And her "highly religious" parents refuse to consider euthanasia because of their beliefs, also. She doesn't have a San Junipero to live in while she's a prisoner in her own body, though, so it was definitely a bittersweet and thought-provoking episode all at once.
@@JackCODYTeGod which is part of the reason Yorkie died, because her parents weren't as accepting. A lot of things made the 80s great...lack of social progress and acceptance wasn't one of them.
Yea like why do they have to get married first? What's the deal with the dude going after Kelly? Why didn't her daughter have the choice to pass over? What the fuck is up with that freaky club place? What was the meaning of the guy who said he didn't really get the song that was playing at the club. Why are they all struggling to feel emotion? Aaarghh
San Junipero doesn't have a bright happy ending. The secret lies in the Quagmire. If the world of "San Junipero" is a road, then the narrative between Kelly and Yorkie begins at the very start of the road. We see the intensity of emotion that goes along with new experiences. However, at the end of the road lies the Quagmire. The state of emotional destitution that comes with an eternal unchanging life. The entire episode is a distraction from the reality of their situation. They're blissfully ignorant of the gravity of their decision for immortality because they can't see past the passion of the current moment. Similarly, the show doesn't focus nor dwell on the Quagmire because it's focusing on the emotional story between these two characters.
Yes! That is what I was thinking. What will happen when they get bored of that life? They will try to experience new things and Quagmire is the place for it.
I have a similar thoguth, i mean, If the people put their minds after death forever in San Junipero, how it's possible that some of them stop feeling, or stop feeling "normal" things that they have to go to the Qaggmire (giggitty) to feel something as Kelly said. I mean, is this a kind of evolution of the mind in the tucker system? What's the point of being eternally in heaven on earth if you can't feel. Anyway, all this kinda stuff goes further than the episode, and thats a truly good thing about Black Mirror, they give you the possibilties to free your mind and thoughts beyond what you see in the show, as equal sometimes happens in the episodes.
Maybe there's more to San Junipero than night life. Maybe they can live a regular life, but without work. But even that way immortality will eventually lead to boredom.
Bam! I found the episode and ending very dark. Using technology to go against the nature of death and trapping people in a quagmire that may be deleted at anytime. I’m sure when metalhed happens and the system loses power, blink! Off they go. Bye bye.
I'm new to black mirror and this episode spoke the loudest to me. I'm in constant confusion about myself, and 2019 is 2 days away. I want to leave my past in 2018, and be a new me. I want to feel free and just because numbers change doesn't mean I change. My new years resolution is to meet people and get out. Be comfortable and accept myself.
The only confusion you have about "your" self is that you don't have a self, you made it all up or else you would be accepting that you are 2 persons in 1 body.. we all know where that ends.. the other is to establish a honor code of right and wrong, follow that and and you always know what the right thing is to do, to your best of knowledge, hens your power will grow from righteousness and the "your" self/ personality there is just that, and its pretty epic. or you can follow the rest of the pile that just does whats best for "your" self, so then at least your doing the bidding for your self.. but then who is that other self your talking about? most people think they are them self's... its crazy when you think about it
My only advice to you is to be patient with yourself. You're correct in that just because the numbers change doesn't mean you do. Becoming who we want to be is a never ending quest we take step by step, day by day. I've seen friends of all kinds become brand new people and it took years. Just keep pushing forward and when you're not doing enough, remember the progress you've made and things you've already done that you never have before. Good luck!
The whole ending where they showed the bot uploading ppl I couldn't stop wondering what would happen during a massive power outage or cyber attack. I was like imagine some troll uploading viruses that made Freddy Kruger run around or something lmao.
@@EsotericHighway dude just watch the whole show some episodes are shit and a waste of time like Waldo's moment it's probably the worst episode but I'm only in season 3 so idk
I know I never got into this show until recently, and I was missing out on so much!! Lol I watched the Miley Cyrus one when it came out but that's it. Now comparing the other episodes to Miley's episode, it is pretty mediocre compared to them tbh but I still loved it so much
Probably very obvious but the 12 o'clock restriction to people who are visiting the world seems like it is referring cinderella - especially Yorkie falling in love and trying to find Kelly after they have their first night together.
This episode makes me cry hysterically....even just this recap makes me cry. I'm gay, in a 6 year relationship with my boyfriend. I'm 38 and he's 62. His brother was paralyzed, but passed away many years ago. I'm the wild child type, he's the conservative type but had his days in the 80's, where I was just being born. I don't know why I'm saying all this. Just sharing how deeply moving this episode is to me. Love knows no age, life is so short and technology is amazing. I just wanna go to a club with my lover in 1987 and live & dance forever! Especially now where corona has everything closed. I played first two episodes of the show for him but he wasn't a fan. I will convince him to continue, as there are soo many great episodes that haunt you forever. I can't wait to the day we watch this episode together and I start crying non stop. as soon as it starts....Happy Valentines day, today in 2021! I hope you find love too!
@@max-3158 Wow, that's all, I thought it might be 30+ year gap...I'm so0o bad with math. Yes, it is indeed a gap but I've met people in their 20's who are wise beyond their years and people in their 50's with no clue. When men date younger women, it's more accepted. In the end, all I can say is that after 7 years together, we are truly in love & cool. I wish you my best, take care!
When Yorkie tries to find Kelly, the fonts of the "One week later" text change. It becomes smoother, which represents the development of technology through the ages.
this episode will always be my favourite, i remember getting so emotional towards the end of it to the point of tears, it’s so bittersweet, i really love it
Literally the best, most beautiful, mind-blowing, and perfect episode in Black Mirror. But at the same time this episode broke my heart... Absolutely beautiful. Wish we could have the system when we die.
Who knows! Think of all the stuff we didn't have even in the 90s! We may never be able to upload our consciousness, but there will most likely be some sort of life prolonging treatment
@@benny8976 But to simulate a brain you need about 3 Terabites (nearly) isn't that too many data for thousands of people and i mean and computer power that will be required to simulate them but yes It would be awesome it's like a intuitive graveyard that you could talk with your relatives
Am I the only who doesn't think this is a "happy ending"? Whole thing still feels like some dystopian hell. Like, you're just gonna dance at some nightclub/do hedonistic stuff for eternity? Sounds like a nightmare. I'd rather just die, tbh.
You are not. The BM subreddit has many people who've noted if you can see past the generational bias in favor of the lesbian couple getting a happy ending, and accept the contradiction that BM just doesn't do happy ever after, watch for the gotcha that must be there and you cannot miss it.
OK, I hate to be dark, but because I was initially surprised that the ending seemed so happy I went back and watched more carefully. This is just a theory but it seems to fit with all the facts in the story AND renders a very dark ending. Kelly goes to great effort to tell Yorki that she has no intention of being put into San Junipero when she actually dies and explains this with such conviction that her view of living indefinitely in San Junipero before OR after her physical real death is contemptible to her...that she is just having some fun before she dies. Consequently, she elects to actually marry Yorki prior to Yorki's death to make Yorki feel better. However, there is an important scene where Kelly is being physically buried at a cemetery which precedes the scene in San Junipero with her arriving to see Yorki. My take is that Kelly never opted to go to San Junipero but rather the simulation of San Junipero used what was already known by the software to make Kelly appear FOR the sake of Yorki's post-death version in San Junipero. What I am trying to say is that the software is pleasing a software version of a dead person named Yorki by deceiving her with the fiction that Kelly was so overjoyed with Yorki that she changed her mind about coming to San Junipero, when in fact she did not-she dies and makes sure they do not upload her. The version then is so dark because both die, one is happy that her semblance will be uploaded making her falsely hope or think this will be a form of immortality (it is not). It is the more dark because the apparition of Yorki is deceived. Sort of sorry to even say all this but someone either has to tell me how this is inconsistent or if I am insane.
I disagree. Kelly's line of "I'm ready for the rest of it" after a few days of contemplation without Yorkie appeared to say that she wanted to give it a try with a new love. remember, Kelly was an atheist, so I don't think that 'rest of it' line would imply heaven because it's not something she believed in.
Stephen Grigg well i kinda hope you are right. i took the line to mean she is ready to die (she was shown having increasing breathing problems) and she said she detested the fantasy and emptiness of San Junipero beyond just having fun prior to her death. but even if you are right, the damned thing is still dark (maybe darker) because they both are actually dead and so the renditions of each are purely virtual.
true. I don't think it's meant to be a total Disney happily ever after ending. they are "living" in some degree of denial and it will most likely end bad eventually. the fact that it shows two core things being plugged into the system side by side really does imply, imo, that Kelly went to San Junipero tho.
I thought about this for longer than I wanted to :-) I did find that happy ending strange for Black Mirror. We learned that everytime a relationship in San Junipero becomes more than "fun", Kelly avoids the other person, and she did the same with Yorkie. In their final argument she explains she married Yorkie just to make her feel better. How did she go from this to happily "everafter" and facing the Qagmire? But then, why would she choose the euthanizing drug instead of just waiting for the end? And we did see the 2 buttons next to each other, lighting up (kind of cheesy and sad at the same time, as that's all that's left of the person). So maybe the burial scene was just shown to make us feel uncomfortable? But now another comment pointed out that the fluid in Kelly's euthanizing scene was a different colour (white) from Yorkie's AND the cookie saving device shown on Yorkie's forehead wasn't there on Kelly's. SO: I think your theory is 100% correct! Kelly wanted to do something nice for Yorkie who never had a chance to live her life and left her a fake virtual version of herself.
@@annaf3915 Thanks for bringing all that information (principally the lack of cookie-saving device on Kelly's head but also fluid color)... I am trying to find some comfort in this all (aside from the comfort of familiarity that the end of things is generally bad) by a sort of mathematical induction...I mean maybe if the downloaded information about oneself was sufficiently large, the "postcard" of oneself would have sufficient fidelity that future visitors could understand what you were really like?
I felt the ending was jarring. The happy rock music blaring when you see Kelly getting the euthanasia juice through tubes really made me question if I saw what I just saw. I wonder how long Yorkie and Kelly's relationship will last, and when they both will decide to end their consciousnesses since they have the choice to do that too. Do people really want to live in an afterlife where its just an almost mirror replica of the real world and where they only satisfy carnal human desires? It's a good thing that they have the option to end their lives anytime they want imo
did you notice that the ending song is titled "Heaven is a place on Earth"? now that's something jarring. A totally innocent 80s hit, but as you see the robot working in the virtual reality server room, it gets a totally different meaning
I wish kelly didn't pass over that would have been a banger ending. To me the ending seemed weak because it's a happy ending to be honest that is not what I look for in black mirror. I want to be tormented after each episode which is why this seemed very weak.
First i thought Yorkie was playing a VR game, and Kelly was a girl who used to live in the 80s (like a memorie), if that makes any sense, and that Yorkie was falling in love with a girl who doesn't exist anymore. I know, it sounds really weird, but that's what i thought it was going to be lol.
@@hellmasterbean5920 For how long? Living a monotonous life will get them bored. They will eventually go to Quagmire to experience new things, even Kelly said that in the episode.
Not sure if this is an Easter egg or not... but the sign in the bar says "Tuckers" and the name of the business in Bandersnatch was called "Tuckersoft". Just realized that while watching this video
At the end, they are in hell. They visually scan the gates of their prison. Kelly will never be reunited with her loved ones all for a paper-thin synthetic version of reality that has none of the things that that made her life worth living. The machine is permanent separation from God; Hell.
@@o_huskywolfdean7I agree with you, I hates peoples like religion fanatics. Shoving their believe down on, people’s throat and even forcefully. They have no respect or boundary on your choice, if you don’t believe in what they believe. Trying to force it on them, there’s things I believe. But I don’t go around shoving it, down in other people throat.
Black Mirror sometime feels like how a medieval person, who's only seen hand drawn art, would react to a photo.. Or someone who's only seen black & white, looking at colored "realistic" pictures. Or someone who's only seen unmoving pictures, look at a movie. Or someone who's only seen a flat movie look at their first 3'D. Or someone who's _seen_ 3'd content, react to a VR headset. It's just bonkers, impossible, unreal.I wonder how far it will go? IDK about reproducing someone. That's basically recreating life. Then again, maybe I'm in a cave, trying to perceive the world through shadows.
Look not through the intellect; it can never uncover the answer, but endlessly produce new dilemmas and theories. Look instead upon the intellect. Watch the mind. In each thought, idea, belief, image, sensation, feeling, perception, simply observe the mind. The mind then fades, and the Truth is revealed. In the eastern religions such a practice has been called mindfulness or meditation. In the western religions such a practice has been called faith, that even as the mind conjures up endless problems and endless roads, one is centred, one is recollected, one remains watchful as that which would drive us away from selfless love is perceived and dissipated, and the Truth which is the Love that has created us is revealed. The Buddha: "This is the only way, O bhikkhus, for the purification of beings, for the overcoming of sorrow and lamentation, for the destruction of suffering and grief, for reaching the right path, for the attainment of Nibbana, namely, the Four Arousings of Mindfulness." Jesus: "Watch and pray, that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit indeed is ready, but the body is weak." Keep watch over the mind; there is the source of all suffering, and be compassionate and serve all beings as your children, as your neighbour. May this be of use 🤗
So Kelly chose this simulation / afterlife because she was afraid there was no afterlife without it. She mentioned her husband and daughter being 'nowhere' after they died. She couldn't take the risk to see if there was an afterlife without the simulation, so she chose the simulation.
amazing..this series doesn't seem to miss a thing! every little movement, spoken line, prop, camera shot, song lyric, etc. is intentionally put in there to either hint at something or to create some kind of symbolism. i mean it seems that literally nothing in the show is random or without some purpose. very rarely do we come across stories like that. pretty genius!
Speaking of music, at the 16 minute mark, the guy says in the club, "I never got this song.". It's funny because the song is called Living in a Box, which was by the band Living in the Box.... Nicely done
I’m in the middle of binging Black Mirror and honestly this has got to be my favorite episode so far. It was disturbing, but also heartwarming at the same time and I’m going to be fantasizing about this forever. I am sure if this was an actual thing I would be hooked on it. Imagine living in your dreams fully conscious…
@Kid Poker Yes, and you don't really know who you are "messing around with." In the other reality they could be very different people. Its better off if you do not know, or someone who knows, aka God.
I just can't wrap my head around this. If you upload your mind into a cloud how would that work? In my mind you would just die and a copy of your mind would live on in the cloud. I don't know if this makes any sense.
This was a great episode as I’m glad that, the gay characters got a happy ending and together. Because gay couples or characters don’t always get a happy.
Easily the best Black Mirror episode. I have to admit, Yorkie's sexual orientation and religious family background was troupie, as it wasn't required for the future relationship of Yorkie and Kelly.
The story isn't just about Yorkie and Kelly's relationship. It's also about Yorkie becoming comfortable with herself after only being around her homophobic family for forty years.
@@lameduck1690 Except she wasn't around her homophobic family, but spent 40 years with health workers, in a 24hr care facility, while in a catatonic state. That's why I said it was troupie.
@@Cakebattered It's heavily implied that her family spent time with her while she was in the catatonic state. Even if she wasn't, that was one of the only stimuli she was able to experience before she became catatonic. It's really, really important to her character development. Also, "troupie" isn't a word.
@@lameduck1690 "Troupie" /Trō-pē/ - Emphasizing the overuse of a theme, specifically in visual art mediums. The spelling is a blend of Trope and Troupe.
2:40 Walk Like An Egyptian music Black Mirror Fan: I listen it from a love story about two gay couple in a simulation. Jojo Fan: I listen it as an end credit of a story of a 17 year old British Japanese boy with puncing ghost vs a 120 years old bisexual vampire with punching ghost.
I'm glad that it ended the way it did I feel like Richard wanted that for her more then anything. He wanted to go be with daughter and Kelly didnt believe that I feel like if Richard was there and their daughter allison they'd both support kelly in finding something that transcends time and death a real connection that while yes maybe not normal by societal standards is just as normal, as real as what she and Richard had. Richard went to be with who they lost went to find allison who died before san junipero was a thing and kelly went to be with yorkie, who had to hide who she was cuz of her strict religious upbringing her whole life and I feel both were getting what they wanted no what they needed. Kelly lost richard as it were she woulda just been alone and lonely in "that afterlife" now she wont now her and yorkie are free to find out everything about each other and not have to worry about kids dying or them growing old and drifiting away. You can tell she was hurt she was hurt by losing her kid with her husband, then losing her husband to old age that really really hurt her and now she gets a part of that and well will never lose it.
I just can't wrap my head around this. If you upload your mind into a cloud how would that work? In my mind you would just die and a copy of your mind would live on in the cloud. I don't know if this makes any sense.
I shouldn't have had to scroll this far to see this comment. I 100% agree with you. The copy lives on, unknowing that it is only the copy. Sort of like the teleportation theory, and how it kills you upon entering, and created a copy on the other side.
If we are talking about the process of making a copy of "self", it is also one of the main elements of the episode "white christmas" in season 2, I understand what you are talking about, there are a lot of philosophical stuff to be confused there hahahah
Of course it would be a copy. The only way it could be your real consciousness would be if you have a spirit that could exist outside of your body and be transferred somewhere else, otherwise it would obviously be just a copy. Also how would you even know if the copy was really conscious too? It may just be a copy with no internal experience that mimics consciousness perfectly. Obviously such a copy would process information so well that it would appear to be conscious. How could you prove it really is conscious? I don’t think consciousness can be created by materiality or by any physical means. It’s a spiritual phenomenon in my mind. The possibility of copying someone’s DNA and brain state into a digitized form may be possible, but we could never make that copy a real conscious self. We don’t even know what consciousness is. We can not observe it in any way. It appears to be an immaterial reality that resides with material bodies. Some kind of duality. In other words the universe isn’t just matter; there’s a spiritual reality to it as well, and science cannot gauge that aspect. Science can only gauge the material or empirical. Look into the philosophical concept of Philosophical Zombies. Why aren’t humans just Philosophical Zombies? It’s because there’s more to us than just flesh and bone.
I'm not an emotional person at all but this episode is very touching. Not because of the sexual things, but the concept of people of various ages (in this case elderly people) meeting in a virtual world where they become young again. How people could fall in love in that state, and finding ourselves even after our biological death. What even is death? What even is reality? What makes the "real world" any different than the simulations? Technology is so magical.
Yeah, the whole idea of eternal livelihood is numb, hollow and empty. Looking at people and knowing that they are actually dead but alive is really buffling and seems unnatural to me. Death is a curse but also a bless, eternal life seems uncanny.
I wouldn't call it THE worst because it's really thought-provoking once you look beyond the romance plot. But it wasn't the best, and I fail to see what's so interesting about Yorkie and Kelly as a couple; personally, I thought they had no chemistry. They were still pretty cute as characters though.
As a queer girl, this episode was the most heartbreaking for me. I’m just really glad they got a happy ending, especially Yorkie who didnt get a chance at normal life
This episode actually made me cry! MacKenzie really conveys the pain Yorkie felt at getting stood up after a true connection that she hadn't experienced before. The ending seeing them finally happy, seemingly forever, just made me bawl like a baby, and I'm pretty sure it's the music that helped too.
Charlie Brooker himself has said that the original draft had a straight couple, but due to the time period (the 80s) that's such a big part of the episode, he decided to change it to a gay couple. The story would just as beautiful with a straight couple, but the fact that it is two women adds another level to story. Coming out in the 80s was a much bigger deal than it is now, and being rejected by family and society was much more common. That gives both the love story and the ending much more emotional weight because Yorkie gets to be her true self and Kelly gets to express a part of herself that she was never able to in life. It's really the one time in Black Mirror where we get to see the beautiful potential of technology instead of its alienation and potential for manipulation, which is what we see literally in every other episode. Hang The DJ is good too, but San Junipero packs a stronger emotional punch because of the changes Brooker made.
Living in the Cloud after death?, no thanks I want to have a body and be active like in Ghost In The Shell, or the Borg Collective. I mean if such things as transferring your bran or consciousness is even possible one day.
I want to come back as a ghost and be re born into something else like in my next life I’d like to be dog or a cat something else I wouldn’t want to be human again so I wouldn’t want that software
This episode is my comfort blanket. I watch it a few times a year, whenever I feel at my lowest and it helps. IMO it's the greatest love story ever told. Unfortunately, at the end it's not them. Once they die it's just AI programs acting out based on their memories. The real Kelly and Yorkie... they have moved on to the real afterlife. This does not diminish the story in any way. It's a beautiful story, and probably the best Black Mirror episode of them all. I have watched this episode a lot, and never it never gets old to me.
There is a bit of a melancholy message that these people could only express their true personas after death.
Tbh didn't Kelly express her true persona in real life? Just because she found a partner doesn't mean she never lived her true self? Just like if her partner was a girl instead she would still live her true persona even if she never got the chance to be with a man. Fits Yorkie more since she couldn't live her life, was lesbian and had parents that hated her sexuality. Maybe im wrong but I just see it that if you are bisexual doesn't mean you have to be with both genders before death, some times you just meet the right one early in life.
@@MrFasho123 I think they're more referring to Yorkie since in the video, Bryce describes her putting down the glasses as "finally being comfortable with herself"
it's kinda sad in an optimistic way though. Yorkie never gets to live a real life until after she died and is in a simulated reality.
Honestly I don't think that's a fair or accurate summation of the episode. Yorkie was, due to the time period where she had her crash, limited in the way she could express her true self, but Kelly seems to have lived a full and happy life and was - at least before she met Yorkie - only going to San Junipero to have an escape from the life her aging body had trapped her in. As someone with chronic pain issues, trust me, if I could go to a virtual place for a few hours every day where I could still run around and climb trees and not worry about being in pain, I would do it too. Their ending is happy and hopeful.
No one is STUCK in San Junipero, all the permanent residents have the ability to "move on" when they've reached that point, and in the meantime being able to relive the days when you were young and able-bodied and maybe make yourself into the person you wish you could've been in life is really empowering to me.
Kelly and Yorkie will be happy, until they're done (and they both - even Yorkie - WILL be done at some point, people weren't meant to live forever and psychologically I think they'll hit an end point at some time), and in the meantime they get to be young and beautiful and carefree in a way they couldn't always be in life, and I think that's beautiful and comforting.
@@maggienewson8859 With technology that high, I think they have a reset button for memories. Different body builds. I think the black woman would want to be with her husband and kid and may request that simulation. Though I doubt her husband would ever forgive her for doing the things she had done, so she may have to fix somethings with her fake husband like make him a bit more nice or open (which in theory is not her husband when it comes down to it).
Our technological future is both exciting and horrifying
I’m not trying to be a “missionary” here, but putting some faith in Godly intervention makes our technological future less intimidating - and arguably feasible. “Heaven will envelop the Earth” is a related verse to consider 😏
Depends how people use it
I mean anyone in the 1700s would probably find that most people having access to 1 ton machines that can travel 80+ Mph , in seconds, to be exciting and horrifying.
@ManyProphets OneMessage No, it’s horrifying for those who only focus on the bad. I think we will figure out everything, like we have done for 500,000 years.
@@prince-olivermburu8306 So true, and there have always been people that are against new technology, and they all ‘died’, if you see what I mean.
I completely forgot I was watching black mirror when watching this
Red head is cute af tho
Lucy smart Kelly was my choice. She is beyond gorgeous 💕
Aly R is that the red heads name or the mixed race girl?
Lucy smart the mixed girl
The two of them are gorgeous ❤
Same thought was a movie
The music on this episode was top notch
because music back in the day had soul ;) i miss those days man
@@danny1229c just gotta find the right music from today. soulful music is still out here :)
Greg is the ultimate madlad
*Absolute weapon*
Praise Greg
Getting married during his coffee break is great 😂
absolute beast
What a beast. The manliest man
This episode made me cry. It was sad beautiful crazy fun and touching all at the same time. Am I the only one who cried watching this?
I cried sooooo hard. I tested up again watching this review lol. I heart wasn’t ready 😅
I gave myself a headache from the amount of crying I did 😂😭
no girl i cried so hard it was a beautiful story
Same i cried soo hard
Lunna Locca i honestly cried too😔
Kelly and Yorkie as a couple worked so well for me. Their personality types totally different and yet again connected through their (shared) loneliness. And their chemistry was in plain terms off the charts!
also they're both adorable-
Kelly was pretty deep to. She claims she would not forgive her husband, but in reality or "reality" as I should quote, that she knows her husband wherever he is would never forgive her for that antic. Kelly believed in the after life and was afraid of facing them.
@@aseeds7785 What antic?? Falling in love again, or the casual sex she was having BEFORE she met Yorkie? Kelly wasn't afraid of facing them because she doesn't believe in an afterlife! She believes they are nowhere. Gone. Obliterated. Ceased to be. Annihilated. No longer conscious. THIS IS AN EX-FAMILY!
Watch the show & quit putting your thoughts into the characters' heads! She CLEARLY said she wished she believed that her daughter & husband were together but SHE DOESN'T!!
Her husband has nothing to forgive (not that he COULD forgive anything since he's DEAD). She didn't cheat on him, even when she was hooking up w/ people in SJ. She has no obligation to never have feelings for someone else after his death. It's right in the wedding vows: "Until death do us part." Do you think every widower & widow should abstain from companionship for the rest of their lives? What if she had lost them when she was in her 20s? Should she never remarry or have more children because she MIGHT be reunited w/ her original family in some afterlife that just as likely doesn't exist?
Or are you one of these misogynists who believe that a surviving wife should throw herself onto her dead husband's funeral pyre & die, too!
@@aseeds7785 she doesnt believe in afterlife as she said.
@@DonnaBrooks misandrist.
This episode made me cry so damn hard. One never really got to live until death. The other finally let themselves live again.
Well said
It takes a few hours after seeing it (and looking up a video like this explaining it) to even begin to understand it. One of the most clever episodes for sure.
I just realized Girlfriend in a Coma was a reference to Yorkie’s situation akshskajaka
I know, I know, it's serious...
🤣🤣
it's almost as if we watched the same video!!!!!!
it's pretty pissing off that people are saying that the reason this episode is loved is that of lesbians and that the writers gave it an optimistic ending for the same reasons. But it isn't. Its one of the most beautiful episodes in the series, with lively cinematics and a gut-wrenching story, which makes you question reality itself. The ending might have turned out optimistic for Yorkie and Kelly, but it really puts forward the question of humanity and death. The episode deals with the long old battle of heaven, and if it exists or not. People don't seem to understand, this episode would've been just as amazing if it didn't have the LGBT aspect to it. Making the story centered around lesbians just adds to the accepting nature of the show and only fuels the story with more power.
It's nice seeing Yorkie finally happy free and Kelly finally moving on, whilst questioning their reality. It really merges two very different questions and gets our gears turning, gets us thinking about the afterlife, gets us thinking about how heaven could actually be.... a place on Earth.
Harshit Sohaney I thought the rsn ppl loved this episode so much was cuz of the lesbians at first! But that’s cuz I didn’t really understand it. After the 3rd viewing, I’m starting to understand it more, and I’m sure when I watch it again, it will catapult to being one my favorite episodes!!
Harshit Sohaney I actually think the ending is somewhat sad because Kelly sort of-abandons her daughter and husband who are waiting for her-somewhere else.
@ManyProphets OneMessage You have provided no proof of what you're saying, and are just ranting. This is not the place for your religious dogma. Goodbye, Janet.
Sorry, but if you think this episode has an optimistic ending, then you are gravely mistaken.
@@russ8001 The episode could be seen as optimistic or pessimistic. Their version of heaven is staying in a delusion for as long as they believe it, but don't realise they are just programs and no longer actual conscious real beings.
dude i watched this when i was high and i totally thought they were time travelers and it made a whole lot of sense. more sense than this video tbh. definitely recommend black mirror high lmao
yeah lol at first i thought they all were time travelling
Whatever you do don’t watch Playtest high
vols deep Hahahah 😂
vols deep I kinda want to but I recon it would be freaky asf
vols deep haha well now i wanna do it
"If she missed out, how can I?". The most powerful line for me.
Yes. No question.
@りょう the main question i have about the concept here,are they transfering their conciousness?or is it a copy? like some soma situation
@りょう dont think its about belief system,its a technical thing,is it a real transfer or a copy,i guess we wont ever know as thats irelevant to the actual point of the episode,meh
@SleepyHead no it’s a technology version of them they can’t even get hurt in the cloud
And than she missed out like her daughter
Except I missed something, isn't the Quagmire meant to suggest the fading bliss of San Junipero? That eventually every decays into numbness and the Quagmire patrons are searching for feeling again.
That's a good point. I'm not sure, but you might be right. That could make it like the Twilight Zone episode where the thief goes to "heaven" where he gets everything he wants... but then realizes it takes all the passion out of life.
It definitely is there to show us that after a certain amount of time (which can be very long in a VR you cannot die in) all of the thrills become less exciting, since at the end of the day everyone knows it is a VR world, where you can even adjust your own pain levels and such. So all the old dwellers of SJ end up in the Quagmire, trying to find some thrill in the numb VR world they reside in...
I think it wasn't meant to suggest anything other than the fact that sometimes, people want a visceral escape. Sometimes people are hurting and lonely and miserable and they want something gritty and sexual and grounding to express that. the Quagmire wasn't a bad place, it was just a place that someone like Yorkie wasn't going to find any comfort or belonging in, because that's a) not the person she was, and b) a sort of experience she never got to HAVE. Of COURSE she's going to be uncomfortable with the unabashed sexuality of a place like that, but older people who DID get to live their full lives getting to be young again? Some of them are just gonna want to bang and that's a fact.
For once, I think reading too deeply into any of the clubs is just going to ruin or muddy the message of the episode, which (to me, as an adult disabled lesbian) was more about "it's never too late to find yourself, it's never too late to start over, maybe one day even death can be a starting point for being true to yourself".
Maggie Newson beautifully put and I’d Like to add that in like real life : virtual heaven will still have its wrong uns
Maybe
probably the best episode of black mirror period
Agreed!
i agree. this is a well-directed, well-scripted episode.
no bad episode
@@cassandrareed9690 bandersnatch
i really like nosedive
This episode and Black Museum are my favorite episodes in the series.
Black museum was just, epic.
omg same! i cried during this episode
Nosedive is good too and Hang the DJ
I like nosedive and this one, and I also like USS callister
Be Right back is great too.
You missed discussing some of my favorite foreshadowing in this episode, which is one I love to rewatch: Yorkie's glasses not being needed for vision correction (since she's virtual). All the foreshadowing that it's VR (the young guy with the worn-out knee cap replacements dancing, "five months to live" being taken in stride, the cavalier attitude about reckless driving, and the brilliant double meanings such as people being dressed inauthentically because they got it out of a movie, or two women dancing not being a big deal anymore -- that is, not like it was in the real 1987). The two reveals (the mirror that unsmashes itself and does not cause bleeding, which reveals it's VR, and the line that follows "you might try a different time" being years instead of hours. I also think it's worth mentioning the characters who forget the point of the whole thing: the guy who, restored to youth for a few precious hours, spends it complaining about his medical woes and recent surgery, and the guy whose idea of a good time in an immersive VR is to play virtual video games. Finally, I'd have liked to hear your opinion on whether the montage of Yorkie trying on different clothes is really the montage we think it is, or whether plugging in a new cassette instantly dresses her in a predefined outfit that matches the music. You made some good points and pointed out a detail or two I'd missed, but I'd have liked more analysis and less paraphrasing of the dialog we all heard.
Damn some of this seriously is the reason I came here but didn’t find. The clothes changing montage was a bit out of place or easter eggesh
Catherine Eng right after him and kelly were talking bear the bar, the starter dancing
@@cutielol0 seemed like she was trying to find a “look”
Or Kelly saying she was going to “red light” the guy that was so into her!
Bro this is a better review than this video.
The relationship between the girls is one thing, but I mainly love the production and setting of this episode. It stirs up emotions and memories. The idea of a mercurial figure who everyone seems to desire, the jumping between time periods in a location that obviously evokes memories of great times in the user's past. The music's brilliant (bar Kylie in the 90s lol), the sun seemingly is setting over the ocean for the whole weekend, and even the clubs aren't too packed. Even though I wasn't even born in the 80's, it brings me a sad feeling that youth isn't forever.
How does the advance technology make it possible for Kelly and Yorkie to find love? And what are the opportunities and freedoms of SJ that allow for their relationship to blossom? Plss answer i need help
All that is physical comes and goes; all form changes. Therefore, seek the eternal within yourself, the Lovingness that pervades all things and beings.
I've always thought that when Kelly crashed her car and saw Yorkie's face first after she got up made her change her mind about now passing over. She learned that maybe there's nothing after she dies so she might as well try San Junipero and be with Yorkie. After all, they can call the simulation off if they didn't feel like it anymore, as Yorkie mentioned.
This episode really got to the core of me, my biggest fear in life is ageing and the fact you can’t stop getting older makes me sad. This episode really woke me up and made me understand how precious the time I’m living in now is what really matters, to not look back on the past and to keep striving forward. To know that I don’t have to wait until I die to live the life I always dreamed of living.
I liked this episode but I was left confused
By what?
My only confusion was that the year of San Junipero kept changing, without rhyme or reason.
Jay Melendez I’ve almost gone crazy. I recently got rejected by someone who was really into me and this got me thinking about alternative scenarios, or clinging to a feeling of joy, almost like eternity. I never felt this weird.
@@Richard97402 I don't think it was without rhyme or reason, I think it was that there were multiple "instances", so to speak, of San Junipero, and you could choose the one you wanted to be in.
541 Richard each year would represent each time Kelly would go back into SJ
Kelly stayed behind because in reality she believed in the afterlife, and can not face her husband or their daughter in the afterlife after the stunt she has pulled. She felt disgraced, and chose to be graceful about it by staying.
This episode really hit me hard. My fiancée had a cardiac arrest and is in a similar vegetative state like Yorki - she can't see or move but can hear. And her "highly religious" parents refuse to consider euthanasia because of their beliefs, also. She doesn't have a San Junipero to live in while she's a prisoner in her own body, though, so it was definitely a bittersweet and thought-provoking episode all at once.
Why do we all love the 80's??
Because the culture was perfect
Because it wasn’t a snowflake decade
Simpler times
Because the 80’s were AWESOME 😎
@@JackCODYTeGod which is part of the reason Yorkie died, because her parents weren't as accepting. A lot of things made the 80s great...lack of social progress and acceptance wasn't one of them.
idk why but this episode really confused me and still does
me too. i was bored watching this omg.
lmao i got confused halfway through when they were switching timelines
Marlee H omg thank you.. thought it was just me
I swear!! The whole time i was like, what? who? what? wtf? How? What?
Yea like why do they have to get married first? What's the deal with the dude going after Kelly? Why didn't her daughter have the choice to pass over? What the fuck is up with that freaky club place? What was the meaning of the guy who said he didn't really get the song that was playing at the club. Why are they all struggling to feel emotion? Aaarghh
San Junipero doesn't have a bright happy ending. The secret lies in the Quagmire.
If the world of "San Junipero" is a road, then the narrative between Kelly and Yorkie begins at the very start of the road. We see the intensity of emotion that goes along with new experiences. However, at the end of the road lies the Quagmire. The state of emotional destitution that comes with an eternal unchanging life.
The entire episode is a distraction from the reality of their situation. They're blissfully ignorant of the gravity of their decision for immortality because they can't see past the passion of the current moment. Similarly, the show doesn't focus nor dwell on the Quagmire because it's focusing on the emotional story between these two characters.
Yes! That is what I was thinking. What will happen when they get bored of that life? They will try to experience new things and Quagmire is the place for it.
I figured maybe there can be a Helpdesk in San Junipero to report to if you are bored and want to remove yourself from the system permanantly.
I have a similar thoguth, i mean, If the people put their minds after death forever in San Junipero, how it's possible that some of them stop feeling, or stop feeling "normal" things that they have to go to the Qaggmire (giggitty) to feel something as Kelly said. I mean, is this a kind of evolution of the mind in the tucker system? What's the point of being eternally in heaven on earth if you can't feel.
Anyway, all this kinda stuff goes further than the episode, and thats a truly good thing about Black Mirror, they give you the possibilties to free your mind and thoughts beyond what you see in the show, as equal sometimes happens in the episodes.
Maybe there's more to San Junipero than night life. Maybe they can live a regular life, but without work. But even that way immortality will eventually lead to boredom.
Bam! I found the episode and ending very dark. Using technology to go against the nature of death and trapping people in a quagmire that may be deleted at anytime. I’m sure when metalhed happens and the system loses power, blink! Off they go. Bye bye.
Always wondered how Alphaville's "Forever Young" didn't make it into this one. Too on the nose? But then there's "Girlfriend in a Coma" ...
That's a good point
yesss please
I'm new to black mirror and this episode spoke the loudest to me. I'm in constant confusion about myself, and 2019 is 2 days away. I want to leave my past in 2018, and be a new me. I want to feel free and just because numbers change doesn't mean I change. My new years resolution is to meet people and get out. Be comfortable and accept myself.
Your always a new me, happy new year
The only confusion you have about "your" self is that you don't have a self, you made it all up or else you would be accepting that you are 2 persons in 1 body.. we all know where that ends.. the other is to establish a honor code of right and wrong, follow that and and you always know what the right thing is to do, to your best of knowledge, hens your power will grow from righteousness and the "your" self/ personality there is just that, and its pretty epic. or you can follow the rest of the pile that just does whats best for "your" self, so then at least your doing the bidding for your self.. but then who is that other self your talking about? most people think they are them self's... its crazy when you think about it
My only advice to you is to be patient with yourself. You're correct in that just because the numbers change doesn't mean you do. Becoming who we want to be is a never ending quest we take step by step, day by day.
I've seen friends of all kinds become brand new people and it took years. Just keep pushing forward and when you're not doing enough, remember the progress you've made and things you've already done that you never have before.
Good luck!
this is literally my new year's resolution too. i feel you so much. stay strong, stay YOU and have FUN
Hi
Can't wait for Season 5... I hope it has about 10 to 15 episodes... Can't get enough of it...
it wont happen lol black mirror is done.
funny i love to watch fans like me get destroyed
season 5 = disappointing
Isn't bandersnatch season 5???
Dark Thought yo trailer’s out now
I want to see an easter egg style News headline in a future episode reading "Thousands of souls lost in Junipero cyber-terror attack"
lol that would be funny
Why? It’s like, the only happy episode! Don’t ruin it!
@@indycole396 lets keep black mirror dark
@@f.t.wibowo5260 yeah but we have one happy episode let's keep it that way
The whole ending where they showed the bot uploading ppl I couldn't stop wondering what would happen during a massive power outage or cyber attack. I was like imagine some troll uploading viruses that made Freddy Kruger run around or something lmao.
Just saw this show for the first time last night. This episode and the white Christmas one... I’ve been missing out.
Nice breakdown...
BryceMakesFilms definitely. Have any other episodes to recommend?..
@@EsotericHighway dude just watch the whole show some episodes are shit and a waste of time like Waldo's moment it's probably the worst episode but I'm only in season 3 so idk
@@EsotericHighway I think you should watch all episodes
I know I never got into this show until recently, and I was missing out on so much!! Lol I watched the Miley Cyrus one when it came out but that's it. Now comparing the other episodes to Miley's episode, it is pretty mediocre compared to them tbh but I still loved it so much
@@m_-.430 why was Waldo moment bad?
Probably very obvious but the 12 o'clock restriction to people who are visiting the world seems like it is referring cinderella - especially Yorkie falling in love and trying to find Kelly after they have their first night together.
woah, i completely missed that!
People hyped this up so much and it was for me the worst episode in the whole of Black Mirror
I found it was the best episode. Your opinion doesn’t matter the slightest 😂
This episode makes me cry hysterically....even just this recap makes me cry. I'm gay, in a 6 year relationship with my boyfriend. I'm 38 and he's 62. His brother was paralyzed, but passed away many years ago. I'm the wild child type, he's the conservative type but had his days in the 80's, where I was just being born. I don't know why I'm saying all this. Just sharing how deeply moving this episode is to me. Love knows no age, life is so short and technology is amazing. I just wanna go to a club with my lover in 1987 and live & dance forever! Especially now where corona has everything closed. I played first two episodes of the show for him but he wasn't a fan. I will convince him to continue, as there are soo many great episodes that haunt you forever. I can't wait to the day we watch this episode together and I start crying non stop. as soon as it starts....Happy Valentines day, today in 2021! I hope you find love too!
24 years age gap. Jesus Christ.
@@max-3158 Wow, that's all, I thought it might be 30+ year gap...I'm so0o bad with math. Yes, it is indeed a gap but I've met people in their 20's who are wise beyond their years and people in their 50's with no clue. When men date younger women, it's more accepted. In the end, all I can say is that after 7 years together, we are truly in love & cool. I wish you my best, take care!
God Bless 🙏🏾💕
When Yorkie tries to find Kelly, the fonts of the "One week later" text change. It becomes smoother, which represents the development of technology through the ages.
Nobody asked, but Yorkie’s glasses look a lot like mine do.
Dane Boon cool.
Nobody asked, but I look a lot like Kelly,and I was imagining I was her in the episode💀
Nobody need ask. Those glasses are cool.
SAME
this episode will always be my favourite, i remember getting so emotional towards the end of it to the point of tears, it’s so bittersweet, i really love it
San Junipero is my favorite episode now. IT ACTUALLY HAS A HAPPY ENDING! had me in tears during parts of it
Emma Dibdin referred to it as the "modern fairy tale"
Literally the best, most beautiful, mind-blowing, and perfect episode in Black Mirror. But at the same time this episode broke my heart... Absolutely beautiful. Wish we could have the system when we die.
Who knows! Think of all the stuff we didn't have even in the 90s! We may never be able to upload our consciousness, but there will most likely be some sort of life prolonging treatment
Download or actually upload a human's soul? Maybe if it were just a bunch of bits. But it is life.
I cry every time I watch this episode because it’s so heartbreakingly beautiful
@@benny8976 But to simulate a brain you need about 3 Terabites (nearly) isn't that too many data for thousands of people and i mean and computer power that will be required to simulate them but yes It would be awesome it's like a intuitive graveyard that you could talk with your relatives
Matrix 4 is coming.
Am I the only who doesn't think this is a "happy ending"? Whole thing still feels like some dystopian hell. Like, you're just gonna dance at some nightclub/do hedonistic stuff for eternity? Sounds like a nightmare. I'd rather just die, tbh.
You are not. The BM subreddit has many people who've noted if you can see past the generational bias in favor of the lesbian couple getting a happy ending, and accept the contradiction that BM just doesn't do happy ever after, watch for the gotcha that must be there and you cannot miss it.
I used to dislike Heaven is a Place on Earth until this episode. Now, I love this song!
OK, I hate to be dark, but because I was initially surprised that the ending seemed so happy I went back and watched more carefully. This is just a theory but it seems to fit with all the facts in the story AND renders a very dark ending. Kelly goes to great effort to tell Yorki that she has no intention of being put into San Junipero when she actually dies and explains this with such conviction that her view of living indefinitely in San Junipero before OR after her physical real death is contemptible to her...that she is just having some fun before she dies. Consequently, she elects to actually marry Yorki prior to Yorki's death to make Yorki feel better. However, there is an important scene where Kelly is being physically buried at a cemetery which precedes the scene in San Junipero with her arriving to see Yorki. My take is that Kelly never opted to go to San Junipero but rather the simulation of San Junipero used what was already known by the software to make Kelly appear FOR the sake of Yorki's post-death version in San Junipero. What I am trying to say is that the software is pleasing a software version of a dead person named Yorki by deceiving her with the fiction that Kelly was so overjoyed with Yorki that she changed her mind about coming to San Junipero, when in fact she did not-she dies and makes sure they do not upload her. The version then is so dark because both die, one is happy that her semblance will be uploaded making her falsely hope or think this will be a form of immortality (it is not). It is the more dark because the apparition of Yorki is deceived. Sort of sorry to even say all this but someone either has to tell me how this is inconsistent or if I am insane.
I disagree. Kelly's line of "I'm ready for the rest of it" after a few days of contemplation without Yorkie appeared to say that she wanted to give it a try with a new love.
remember, Kelly was an atheist, so I don't think that 'rest of it' line would imply heaven because it's not something she believed in.
Stephen Grigg well i kinda hope you are right. i took the line to mean she is ready to die (she was shown having increasing breathing problems) and she said she detested the fantasy and emptiness of San Junipero beyond just having fun prior to her death. but even if you are right, the damned thing is still dark (maybe darker) because they both are actually dead and so the renditions of each are purely virtual.
true. I don't think it's meant to be a total Disney happily ever after ending. they are "living" in some degree of denial and it will most likely end bad eventually.
the fact that it shows two core things being plugged into the system side by side really does imply, imo, that Kelly went to San Junipero tho.
I thought about this for longer than I wanted to :-) I did find that happy ending strange for Black Mirror. We learned that everytime a relationship in San Junipero becomes more than "fun", Kelly avoids the other person, and she did the same with Yorkie. In their final argument she explains she married Yorkie just to make her feel better. How did she go from this to happily "everafter" and facing the Qagmire? But then, why would she choose the euthanizing drug instead of just waiting for the end? And we did see the 2 buttons next to each other, lighting up (kind of cheesy and sad at the same time, as that's all that's left of the person). So maybe the burial scene was just shown to make us feel uncomfortable? But now another comment pointed out that the fluid in Kelly's euthanizing scene was a different colour (white) from Yorkie's AND the cookie saving device shown on Yorkie's forehead wasn't there on Kelly's. SO: I think your theory is 100% correct! Kelly wanted to do something nice for Yorkie who never had a chance to live her life and left her a fake virtual version of herself.
@@annaf3915 Thanks for bringing all that information (principally the lack of cookie-saving device on Kelly's head but also fluid color)... I am trying to find some comfort in this all (aside from the comfort of familiarity that the end of things is generally bad) by a sort of mathematical induction...I mean maybe if the downloaded information about oneself was sufficiently large, the "postcard" of oneself would have sufficient fidelity that future visitors could understand what you were really like?
I felt the ending was jarring. The happy rock music blaring when you see Kelly getting the euthanasia juice through tubes really made me question if I saw what I just saw. I wonder how long Yorkie and Kelly's relationship will last, and when they both will decide to end their consciousnesses since they have the choice to do that too. Do people really want to live in an afterlife where its just an almost mirror replica of the real world and where they only satisfy carnal human desires? It's a good thing that they have the option to end their lives anytime they want imo
I agree, it's jarring... and I don't think it's the "happy ending" that people initially think it is.
did you notice that the ending song is titled "Heaven is a place on Earth"? now that's something jarring. A totally innocent 80s hit, but as you see the robot working in the virtual reality server room, it gets a totally different meaning
this episode was boring to me, just my opinion, i couldn't wait until it was over lol next episode please
Lowkey… when first watching I was okay… what’s the point. Then seeing the older version of themself, I was so confused. But it was cool ig
I wish kelly didn't pass over that would have been a banger ending. To me the ending seemed weak because it's a happy ending to be honest that is not what I look for in black mirror. I want to be tormented after each episode which is why this seemed very weak.
I love lesbian romances and this was one of my favorite.
Black Mirror really said "let's go future lesbians!"
Lol
can you recommend a good lesbian romance film / TV show ( _not_ orange is the new black pls)
@@marypalmer00 captain marvel
@@butthead9023 Lol
First i thought Yorkie was playing a VR game, and Kelly was a girl who used to live in the 80s (like a memorie), if that makes any sense, and that Yorkie was falling in love with a girl who doesn't exist anymore. I know, it sounds really weird, but that's what i thought it was going to be lol.
That actually make sense
that makes sense as well. your theory could explore the idea of VR and AI, kinda like the premise of the movie Her.
black mirror is such a great series and every new episode suprises me again and again with it's great writing and awesome ideas
Episodes like this can ruin an amazing series
I wasn't even alive but daum the 80's aesthetics were dope
This Episode made me wanna fall in love lol ,I'm I the only one who felt like this?
I think this is the only episode that has a truly happy ending
This is not a happy ending. Their consciousness' have been synthetically uploaded to the TCKR machine.
@@JenBuilt So a part of them gets to party and be in love forever. Close to happy as this series gets I'd say
@@hellmasterbean5920 Okee Dokee
nah nosedive had a really uplifting ending tbh
@@hellmasterbean5920 For how long? Living a monotonous life will get them bored. They will eventually go to Quagmire to experience new things, even Kelly said that in the episode.
Sounds like you are reading an essay from high school about your favorite TV episode
Not sure if this is an Easter egg or not... but the sign in the bar says "Tuckers" and the name of the business in Bandersnatch was called "Tuckersoft". Just realized that while watching this video
tckr software are the people who are behind the simulated afterlife thing as well so
@@catya whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat really?
omg i also realized this during the video !!!
At the end, they are in hell. They visually scan the gates of their prison. Kelly will never be reunited with her loved ones all for a paper-thin synthetic version of reality that has none of the things that that made her life worth living. The machine is permanent separation from God; Hell.
Homophobic! This is why I don’t believe in religion, because I don’t want people like you. Shoving shit down my throat.
@@o_huskywolfdean7awww, poor you, someone doesn’t like the gay, and you freak out, typical weakling with emotional diarrhea.
@@o_huskywolfdean7I agree with you, I hates peoples like religion fanatics. Shoving their believe down on, people’s throat and even forcefully.
They have no respect or boundary on your choice, if you don’t believe in what they believe. Trying to force it on them, there’s things I believe.
But I don’t go around shoving it, down in other people throat.
Black Mirror sometime feels like how a medieval person, who's only seen hand drawn art, would react to a photo.. Or someone who's only seen black & white, looking at colored "realistic" pictures. Or someone who's only seen unmoving pictures, look at a movie. Or someone who's only seen a flat movie look at their first 3'D. Or someone who's _seen_ 3'd content, react to a VR headset.
It's just bonkers, impossible, unreal.I wonder how far it will go? IDK about reproducing someone. That's basically recreating life. Then again, maybe I'm in a cave, trying to perceive the world through shadows.
Don’t know why I never thought of it that way 🤯
Look not through the intellect; it can never uncover the answer, but endlessly produce new dilemmas and theories.
Look instead upon the intellect. Watch the mind. In each thought, idea, belief, image, sensation, feeling, perception, simply observe the mind. The mind then fades, and the Truth is revealed.
In the eastern religions such a practice has been called mindfulness or meditation. In the western religions such a practice has been called faith, that even as the mind conjures up endless problems and endless roads, one is centred, one is recollected, one remains watchful as that which would drive us away from selfless love is perceived and dissipated, and the Truth which is the Love that has created us is revealed.
The Buddha: "This is the only way, O bhikkhus, for the purification of beings, for the overcoming of sorrow and lamentation, for the destruction of suffering and grief, for reaching the right path, for the attainment of Nibbana, namely, the Four Arousings of Mindfulness."
Jesus: "Watch and pray, that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit indeed is ready, but the body is weak."
Keep watch over the mind; there is the source of all suffering, and be compassionate and serve all beings as your children, as your neighbour.
May this be of use 🤗
it was the worst episode
This and White Christmas are probably the best episodes of Black Mirror. Funny is one has a very good ending, and another very bad and depressed
Mike Arsen Those are my favorites as well
Mike Arsen + Yup Them the Best 2 Episodes In my opinion to....Shut up and Dance might be Number 3....
This and Black Museum are my fav
So Kelly chose this simulation / afterlife because she was afraid there was no afterlife without it. She mentioned her husband and daughter being 'nowhere' after they died. She couldn't take the risk to see if there was an afterlife without the simulation, so she chose the simulation.
Yeah, the that she doesn’t believe there is afterlife when you die. I guess it makes sense that she chose to be with Yorkie.
amazing..this series doesn't seem to miss a thing! every little movement, spoken line, prop, camera shot, song lyric, etc. is intentionally put in there to either hint at something or to create some kind of symbolism. i mean it seems that literally nothing in the show is random or without some purpose. very rarely do we come across stories like that. pretty genius!
Speaking of music, at the 16 minute mark, the guy says in the club, "I never got this song.". It's funny because the song is called Living in a Box, which was by the band Living in the Box....
Nicely done
"Highly religious parents", that's a very polite way of saying that Yorkie's parents were highly intolerant, judgemental and deeply bigoted.
Often the same.
I’m in the middle of binging Black Mirror and honestly this has got to be my favorite episode so far. It was disturbing, but also heartwarming at the same time and I’m going to be fantasizing about this forever. I am sure if this was an actual thing I would be hooked on it. Imagine living in your dreams fully conscious…
Imagine living forever in the cloud instead of moving up into the real heaven/afterlife
At least the crowd is real unlike the skydaddy up there.
@Kid Poker Yes, and you don't really know who you are "messing around with." In the other reality they could be very different people. Its better off if you do not know, or someone who knows, aka God.
Her husband and daughter may be crying up there because of her antics.
I just can't wrap my head around this. If you upload your mind into a cloud how would that work? In my mind you would just die and a copy of your mind would live on in the cloud. I don't know if this makes any sense.
@@DanJackielz Yes, you make sense. Only your copy lives on and enjoys as if it was the original. You, yourself is not going to enjoy.
As a bisexual woman who married the woman she loved, this became one of my favourite episodes as it mirrored our own story.
It was immediately obvious they were in some sort of stimulation. I found this episode to be very predictable and thus, very boring
I found it was the best episode. Your opinion doesn’t matter the slightest 😂
No one can nor prove nor deny that we already may live in the matrix, like in this movie and it's pretty scary to think about
and the people who created the matrix we live in, also live in a matrix. It's matrices all the way down.
Hands down the best episode of black mirror to date, this and hang the DJ hit different.
This was a great episode as I’m glad that, the gay characters got a happy ending and together.
Because gay couples or characters don’t always get a happy.
Easily the best Black Mirror episode. I have to admit, Yorkie's sexual orientation and religious family background was troupie, as it wasn't required for the future relationship of Yorkie and Kelly.
Love this episode! The characters were from another less understanding generation!
The story isn't just about Yorkie and Kelly's relationship. It's also about Yorkie becoming comfortable with herself after only being around her homophobic family for forty years.
@@lameduck1690 Except she wasn't around her homophobic family, but spent 40 years with health workers, in a 24hr care facility, while in a catatonic state. That's why I said it was troupie.
@@Cakebattered It's heavily implied that her family spent time with her while she was in the catatonic state. Even if she wasn't, that was one of the only stimuli she was able to experience before she became catatonic. It's really, really important to her character development.
Also, "troupie" isn't a word.
@@lameduck1690 "Troupie" /Trō-pē/ - Emphasizing the overuse of a theme, specifically in visual art mediums. The spelling is a blend of Trope and Troupe.
2:40
Walk Like An Egyptian music
Black Mirror Fan: I listen it from a love story about two gay couple in a simulation.
Jojo Fan: I listen it as an end credit of a story of a 17 year old British Japanese boy with puncing ghost vs a 120 years old bisexual vampire with punching ghost.
I'm sad no one else got that
san junipero makes me cry every time the best episode period
Still my favorite!
I'm glad that it ended the way it did I feel like Richard wanted that for her more then anything. He wanted to go be with daughter and Kelly didnt believe that I feel like if Richard was there and their daughter allison they'd both support kelly in finding something that transcends time and death a real connection that while yes maybe not normal by societal standards is just as normal, as real as what she and Richard had. Richard went to be with who they lost went to find allison who died before san junipero was a thing and kelly went to be with yorkie, who had to hide who she was cuz of her strict religious upbringing her whole life and I feel both were getting what they wanted no what they needed. Kelly lost richard as it were she woulda just been alone and lonely in "that afterlife" now she wont now her and yorkie are free to find out everything about each other and not have to worry about kids dying or them growing old and drifiting away. You can tell she was hurt she was hurt by losing her kid with her husband, then losing her husband to old age that really really hurt her and now she gets a part of that and well will never lose it.
I just can't wrap my head around this. If you upload your mind into a cloud how would that work? In my mind you would just die and a copy of your mind would live on in the cloud. I don't know if this makes any sense.
I shouldn't have had to scroll this far to see this comment. I 100% agree with you. The copy lives on, unknowing that it is only the copy. Sort of like the teleportation theory, and how it kills you upon entering, and created a copy on the other side.
If we are talking about the process of making a copy of "self", it is also one of the main elements of the episode "white christmas" in season 2, I understand what you are talking about, there are a lot of philosophical stuff to be confused there hahahah
What if our life on earth is just a copy 🤔?
Of course it would be a copy. The only way it could be your real consciousness would be if you have a spirit that could exist outside of your body and be transferred somewhere else, otherwise it would obviously be just a copy. Also how would you even know if the copy was really conscious too? It may just be a copy with no internal experience that mimics consciousness perfectly. Obviously such a copy would process information so well that it would appear to be conscious. How could you prove it really is conscious? I don’t think consciousness can be created by materiality or by any physical means. It’s a spiritual phenomenon in my mind. The possibility of copying someone’s DNA and brain state into a digitized form may be possible, but we could never make that copy a real conscious self. We don’t even know what consciousness is. We can not observe it in any way. It appears to be an immaterial reality that resides with material bodies. Some kind of duality. In other words the universe isn’t just matter; there’s a spiritual reality to it as well, and science cannot gauge that aspect. Science can only gauge the material or empirical. Look into the philosophical concept of Philosophical Zombies. Why aren’t humans just Philosophical Zombies? It’s because there’s more to us than just flesh and bone.
I'm not an emotional person at all but this episode is very touching. Not because of the sexual things, but the concept of people of various ages (in this case elderly people) meeting in a virtual world where they become young again. How people could fall in love in that state, and finding ourselves even after our biological death. What even is death? What even is reality? What makes the "real world" any different than the simulations? Technology is so magical.
The thought of living for eternity freaks me out though
Yeah, the whole idea of eternal livelihood is numb, hollow and empty.
Looking at people and knowing that they are actually dead but alive is really buffling and seems unnatural to me.
Death is a curse but also a bless, eternal life seems uncanny.
@@mr.plaguedoc9284 Death is only a curse for the people who are alive grieving the people who are gone
Literally
Probably the worst episode of black mirror in my opinion
Sinead Owusu I agree. It wasn’t as interesting and thrilling as the other ones. This just seemed like a typical romance based episode.
I wouldn't call it THE worst because it's really thought-provoking once you look beyond the romance plot. But it wasn't the best, and I fail to see what's so interesting about Yorkie and Kelly as a couple; personally, I thought they had no chemistry. They were still pretty cute as characters though.
I know, they couldve exploited the idea of an afterlife paradise in so many other better ways, why a romance?
god the music for this episode is 👌👌 especially the Smiths I freakin love them
As a queer girl, this episode was the most heartbreaking for me. I’m just really glad they got a happy ending, especially Yorkie who didnt get a chance at normal life
This episode actually made me cry! MacKenzie really conveys the pain Yorkie felt at getting stood up after a true connection that she hadn't experienced before. The ending seeing them finally happy, seemingly forever, just made me bawl like a baby, and I'm pretty sure it's the music that helped too.
Man u need to do more of these videos!
I appreciate that, keep an eye out this week!
How convenient the man that gave her 50 yrs is basically ignored
This is my all time favourite episode !
Same!
This episode is the biggest example of an extrovert adopting an introvert and shit hitting the fan
Word.
I’ve watched USS Callister more than any other episode. I think this means IT is my favorite episode.
This episode gave me goosebumps all over. It’s so perfect
Agreed!
even the 80s hit they play at the end "Heaven is a place on Earth" ... indeed it is, in this film
Charlie Brooker himself has said that the original draft had a straight couple, but due to the time period (the 80s) that's such a big part of the episode, he decided to change it to a gay couple. The story would just as beautiful with a straight couple, but the fact that it is two women adds another level to story. Coming out in the 80s was a much bigger deal than it is now, and being rejected by family and society was much more common. That gives both the love story and the ending much more emotional weight because Yorkie gets to be her true self and Kelly gets to express a part of herself that she was never able to in life. It's really the one time in Black Mirror where we get to see the beautiful potential of technology instead of its alienation and potential for manipulation, which is what we see literally in every other episode. Hang The DJ is good too, but San Junipero packs a stronger emotional punch because of the changes Brooker made.
I wish tckr software was real
Living in the Cloud after death?, no thanks I want to have a body and be active like in Ghost In The Shell, or the Borg Collective. I mean if such things as transferring your bran or consciousness is even possible one day.
I want to come back as a ghost and be re born into something else like in my next life I’d like to be dog or a cat something else I wouldn’t want to be human again so I wouldn’t want that software
i feel u
Such a beautiful episode
Agreed!
But what about when the time periods change
Sargent Doughnut so after dying can they still switch eras?
@@prof.evilpictures8696 I believe they're stuck in that particular era
They get to choose which era to live in for as long as they want.
I love how they get to live in gay bliss at the end. Beautiful.
This episode is my comfort blanket. I watch it a few times a year, whenever I feel at my lowest and it helps. IMO it's the greatest love story ever told. Unfortunately, at the end it's not them. Once they die it's just AI programs acting out based on their memories. The real Kelly and Yorkie... they have moved on to the real afterlife. This does not diminish the story in any way. It's a beautiful story, and probably the best Black Mirror episode of them all. I have watched this episode a lot, and never it never gets old to me.
Glad I wasn’t the only one who thought Yorkie’s glasses were sexy
San Junipero is the best episode from 'Black Mirror' it's just so chilling.
Episode wasn’t that good. Everyone creaming their pants over this needs to read more.
To me this episode was horrifying instead of cute, imagine being suck in a small place for eternity, there is no peace
Yes, in a sense it is horrifying but to them it seems a big enough place.
Dondragmer It’s horrifying because is there no taking yourself out I don’t think that’s why they have that weird club where people do anything to feel
I get what you mean it’s like they’re stuck forever.
Miniimiii Tv exactly
@@purple9030 No, watch the episode again & Yorkie tells Kelly they can leave whenever, in a snap of a finger. & Kelly got mad at her.
I thought this was the worst episode, now im confused if its metalhead or hated in the nation.
Both were boring and have bad endings.
That one was pretty bad
Oh, I thought it was a time travelling story were the time traveller had driven her mom off the road 40 years ago in the eighties. Ok I get it now.
OMG I STILL DONT GET IT IM GETTING MAD
This was the worst episode so far
Am i the only one that doesnt really like this one lol. I prefer the darker ones, my favourite is shut up and dance
Playtest 😈
i literally just watched both playtest and shut up and dance.
Shut up and dance isn’t darker at all. It’s the same as this one
Same. My favorite was White Christmas 😂
@@emt7026 You're thinking of Hang the DJ. Shut up and dance is insanely dark at the end.
Literally kept on looking for the ‘technology’ in this episode 😂