Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet Review. Is it worth the money?
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- I have gotten direct confirmation from Der8auer (Roman) that touching the Kryosheet with bare fingers is not an issue at all. • Something is Wrong wit...
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in case of the user who has one computer and never tinker with CPU an cooler, the KryoSheet is cheaper solution - you buy it once, you apply it once and forget it. never buy paste again, never replace paste again, so never spend another cent to buy thermal paste, never spend another cent to a technician to do it for you. Am i going to buy it? Hell yeah!
We've been experimenting with Kryosheets for our i9 workstation builds, so cant comment on other situations. We've found when used properly it offers a reduction of around 5c on average. But perhaps more importantly we're seeing much more consistent temperature readings at sustained heavy loads.
Cutting so there's 1mm excess around the spreader as per instructions works best. Using the 38x38mm sheets we cut off about 8mm along the grain making 30x38mm which is perfect for the 14900k. We keep the Kryosheet between it's protective films which is quite slippery. Using a small ruler, very sharp hobby knife and a firm rubber pad to cut against works best. Again we keep the Kryosheet between the protective film right until applying to the CPU. This ensures the sheet stays flat and is not contaminated with finger prints etc. Also even new CPUs are cleaned with IPA. If you take care and also follow a similar procedure you will have no problems.
For us it's potentially the perfect solution as our workstations often stay in situ for several years.
This is very good to hear. Thanks for sharing!
@johntrott9513 I found using a fabric rotary blade works great to avoid any tearing while cutting
If you found a reduction in temps with the pad you had a poor mount to begin with. Even the manufacturer agrees there will be on average 3-5c rise in temps vs paste and has been proven to be so in hundreds of tests.
the way I cut 7-8 mm off the pad I had to touch it with my fingers a little bit but they were just cleaned with soap beforehand is it a done deal should i order another one and wait before building my pc?
@@Gjunya Touching it won't make a difference. What matters is how you apply it. It needs to be positioned correctly and not torn.
I use it on my 4090 that needed repasting, dropped the temps on average by 10°, even if the GPU exceeds 400w of power.
Nice to know that this sheet wont decompose like a paste.
@@Nobbi832 I'm actually using it on my 3080 ti in my main rig. Works like charm!
Would it be safe to use a tiny speck of thermal paste just to keep the pad from moving?
I would not mix it with anything else. I have read of people doing the same. If it works, hey great for them. But, me personally, I would not do that and instead I'd apply the Kryosheet over the heatsink instead and hold it down with some capton tape or if you do not have that, use some painters tape. Just on the sides to hold it in place.
It does replace thermal paste. I used it on a w/c 4090 and it performs excellent.
Good to hear! I like it myself.
thanks, these could replace classic thermal paste in the future, since it doesn't need to be re-applied 👌🏻
@@macblink Works real good 👍🏼
This is perfect for a complicated hard line water loop build. No need to take everything apart when the paste starts to go south...set it and forget it. 3c-5c warmer vs paste is not a deal killer and you never have to second guess your mount.
It is a good product. Just apply and forget.
I saw a tech tuber using this product and his suggestion was just add a very small amount of thermal paste to one corner of the pad to help hold it in place. He was placing an AIO and used the Paste that came with it.
I have not tried that. But like I previously mentioned to another viewer, you could just cover the SMDs around the gpu die with nail polish and add a bigger sized sheet over the die to make up for any movement.
@@TechnologyHive Late reply, but another alternative *for CPUs* (if you don't want to bother with nail polish or tape) is to just get CPU holder/anti bending frame to replace the default frame for either Intel or AMD, which will fit perfectly over the the die, but leave the lower sections covered by default to prevent paste spillage from coming into contact with the capacitors. Use one of those and a bigger sheet, problem solved.
@@Neonmirrorblack Good tips, thanks!
what i learned using this kinda thermal pad being carbonaut or kryosheet i take thermal paste and put the tinyest dot on the very corner of the die so the pad sticks to the thermal paste and also the gpu die i did this for my cpu also i bought 2 of these 50x2 pads and was able to do 2 cpus and 2 gpus and for me so far the way i did my rx5700xt raw ii was how i just discribed but i also did the 0.5mil opastic washer mod also for the screws and i got about 4degrees cooler then the ic diamond i was using
Some people here had a heart attack because I touched it, let alone put thermal paste to hold it in place 🤣. But that's a good method if you ask me. Cheers!
Had to stop watching, that background music killed it for me.
...yeahhh this and the fact that the guy practically massaged the pad ( you should barely LOOK at it, it's THAT fragile ). Touching it and/or re-using it and you lose temps. (according to der8auer).
You can touch it. That's no problem. Reusing it is a whole different story.
1.3k views from 4k subs. You're not alone.
Not only loud, but also generic.
@@TechnologyHive ignore them its good vid and music not realy problem.
Thy are just kids who over exaggerate.
For price of kryosheet you can buy 5 tubes of mx-4/mx-6. One apply will allow you to work 2 years without any thermal degree up. Anyway you will need to clean your coolers and radiators, so additional repaste will not be hard work...
This is why I will never buy this stuff for personal use. Too expensive for what you're getting.
nail polish to protect surrounding componets? Do show/explain please 🙏
@@seekswisdom7252 I made a video on how to apply liquid metal recently. Watch that video. I explain how there.
A small drop of paste in each corner to prevent it from moving has been recommended, and it won't interfere with the performance.
I have not tried that.
@@TechnologyHive Did that this week, as i fixed my less than a year old 4070 Ti which was already suffering from pumpout.
I just put some Noctua NT-H2 in the very corners of the die with a tooth pick so the sheet would stick, worked like a treat!
@@thedeegee1601 Nice. I will try that next time I use this stuff. Thanks for the tip 👍
@@TechnologyHive And i covered the SMD's with kapton tape to prevent a possible short.
@thedeegee1601 That's a good idea. Also nail polish will do. But you'll have to wait a few minutes for it to cure.
The fact that you tinker with stuff often is actually a good reason to use these carbon sheets.
They ARE reusable to a very reasonable degree and take the annoying paste clean/reapply operation out of tinkering.
While TG advises against reusing, in my real life experience with these I did not notice any relevant performance degradation due to reapplying. It will probably, eventually, start cracking and flaking and it will need changing, nothing is really forever. So most probably TG is just doing some CYA to eliminate risks of liability.
These are very conductive, Kryosheet even significantly more than Carbonaut, so be mindful of bits that may rip and fall around in your PC. But still, it is waaaay more easy and safe to work with than liquid metal, though, and provides very similar results.
For GPUs I started "repasting" with kryosheet, great results. Reusable for the most part if handled with care. Disassembling a GPU rad and shroud happens way less often than a CPU tinker/swap anyway, you should be fine.
I do custom loop watercooling, and I usually touch the block when I upgrade the GPU; this happened often lately, since I quickly upgraded from R270X up to 3070Ti in less than 3y, but I do not see it happen anymore in the next 5y+, I reached a good place with my rig.
For CPUs I usually go with Carbonaut, mostly because kryosheet is more frail, in my experience, and makes removing and reapplying a bit more...of an adventure. But Carbonaut is great, with similar results. I have 3 of them, and only used one so far in more than one year, with 5 CPU swaps during this time (mostly testing, not upgrades). Handle it with care while removing/reapplying and it will serve well for quite some time.
If you do bare die, like enthusiast de-lidded CPU, or for GPUs, go Kryosheet.
If you use it with an IHS covered CPU, Carbonaut is absolutely good enough, in that scenario performance is basically identical among these two products, and Carbo is both cheaper and easier to reuse.
If you can manage to keep the sheet intact after use, more power to you! I have only bought this stuff once, and that was to make a video about it, not to use it for personal reasons.
I would never buy this stuff for my own graphics cards or CPUs. It is expensive and generally speaking, a good thermal paste will do better. However, I do acknowledge that there are cases where this stuff is real useful, like you have mentioned.
But I rather buy MX-6 and I have plenty of TIM for a while 👍
Don't touch it with your bare fingers! The oils from your fingers at best only hurt performance. At worst they will also degrade the longevity of the sheet.
Where does it say that on the product website?
@@TechnologyHive its common knowledge, just like you try not to leave greasy fingertips on a cpu before applying thermal paste.
@Csilk I touch the pins with my greasy fingers, I touch bare dies, and again and again, nothing changes. Temperatures, integrity, etc. In fact, Steve from Gamers Nexus also made a video debunking all these myths. "Common" knowledge is not common.
@@TechnologyHive I mean you can touch lots of things and not have any issues or you could touch something and discharge some static and kill something.
I've never used an anti-static anything and I've never killed anything (that I'm aware of) but it doesn't mean its good practice.
@Csilk If you can't touch it, it shouldn't be on the market. I've had several comments from people not happy I've put my fingers on this stuff, even though Grizzly never mentions anywhere this stuff should not be touched with your fingers.
If anything, I would handle it differently if I buy it again for personal use, because it's so fragile and tears real easily. I bought this purely for this video. 👍🏼
I like. The only improvement AFAICT would be some means to ensure it stays perfectly aligned during application, especially for GPUs as you demonstrated. Might try a tiny dot of paste here or there as suggested by others.
It is a bit tricky to get it straight for sure. I would add nail polish over the SMD's around the core and just cut the sheet a bit larger to ensure full coverage even if it moves a bit.
@@TechnologyHive Ah that's another good idea, thanks.
How can I find out the size I need for Ryzen 5700x3d ? Went to the website and did not find the applications, just sizes ?
If you get the size I got, it will work for ryzen.
38 mm x 38 mm
I put it on my ps4 pro and it worked wonders
This stuff is really good so I am not surprised to hear this 🙂. Thanks for sharing.
Hi, you have the t° with termal paste?
You took part the ps4 and use it ???
I put one on my ps4 pro too and it's a game changer
MAGNIFICENT! a question.... what happens if I use a Thermal Grizzly AM5 Frame and instead of thermal paste I use a Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet Wärmeleitpad,
would I have problems with an electrical short?, since this product is conductive because it is made of graphene, the opposite of the thermal paste. THANKS A LOT !!!!
Good question i was wondering too
I have not tried this.
I was thinking of doing the same thing with the build im doing next month since ive heard some thermal pastes like to go in between the frame and cpu, making it very difficult to clean. If you find out that the frame and thermal pad is a viable option, let me know please!
Hi, i have both, let me work on this and i let you know!!!!@@B_rett_B
No, TG's AM5 Frame is electrically-insulated specifically to allow this to work.
use some long screws, with the heads cut off. making studs, or guide pins. replace one at a time with a finish screw.
Good tip 👍🏼
i would have added some adhesive in the corner just to make it stay put, just a little.
Now that you mention it, when I took the card apart, this stuff just disintegrated when I tried to remove it. It truly is a one-time use product.
Just tried to cut some to put it on my xtx and it disintegrated in my hand, very hard to handle.
Similar experience. This stuff is so fragile 😕.
i feel ya, I retuned my for a full refund. $$$$ for something that should not be handled at all, even a smal twist of the cooler being place on this thing rips it to shreds.
@rcrdl5473 I recently took my RX 470 apart and as I lifted the heatsink, the sheet fell off in shreds. Extremely fragile stuff.
@@TechnologyHive I have a laptop with an i5 1140h and an rtx3050. What do you think is better carbonaut or kyrosheet. or mx6?
@@railing_x2324 MX-6 without a doubt.
Please use nitrile gloves when handling graphene; there is no sds for it as we dont know if it may be harmful in anyway or not. Just a tip!
I'll keep that in mind, thank you.
besides harmful, there's a reason it's not recommended to handle the cpu heatspreader or heatsink contact point with your fingers right before applying thermal paste, finger oil can and will alter the heat transfer dynamics and i'm sure the same applies to these little pads
@@gobrieltv Where did you get this information? Please share your sources. Thank you.
Sadly i do not see the point there. Because you cannot tell for sure if the sheet remained on its place or moved, im sure id never risk putting it for example into my 7900XTX. And for older cards its too expensive and basicly makes no sense using an already old card for decades, id just use paste instead.
There is an oil Roman talked about in one of his videos that he plans to release for this very purpose.
you could probably use some thermal paste in dots on each corner and one in the middle to hold it in place...makes sense to me
I do not use this at all for personal use so it doesn't matter to me. But I'm sure people can get creative about it.
@@TechnologyHive u sure don't as kryo extreme is better. casul stuff, do not touch
Nevertheless you have clever hands sir.
Thanks for the video! Whats the delta-T difference between the graphere pad and the mx-6?
Its in the video. If I recall correctly, it was around 3-4c. MX-6 did a bit better. But both are great products.
kryosheet now cost 16.90 euro
Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme 2G cost 18.90 euro
kryosheet costs less for me and i never have to change it , so in fact it costs a Lot Less
Good deal man!
would this be better than pre-applied thermal paste on aio ?
in terms of temperature
I think so. Pre applied paste is never the best.
okay thanks i am building my system rn. i have a R9 7950x with a 360mm aio. i dont wanna leave performance on the table i would like to hit all the advertised speeds. would that be possible with this pad ?
I only game, so I use this on my 7600 CPU, no issues when gaming.
I have used thermal pads for years, my last CPU to use paste was the i5-2500k.
Wait, you mean you have used thermal pads over your CPU instead of thermal paste?
@@TechnologyHive
Indeed.
For myself, friends and family.
i7-3770k
5600X
5800X
5800X3D
5900X
7600
Set and forget.
Does it make sense to put this thermal pad on my MacBook Pro 15 2015 a1398? Is it compatible?
If you can get it to stay put, yes. The thing about this product I like is the fact that you do not need to reapply.
@@TechnologyHive How did you leave that thermal pad in place? do you have any recommendations?
@@vs_artem I just gunned it. Nothing special. But it came apart when I took the card apart again.
What size would you recommend more the I9 14700 and 900?
go kryonaut extreme, sheets are for poor mans cpus
I see a few RUclipsrs hawkling this but so far none of them has done a proper review of the darn thing this is the closest one yet but there was no before and after comparisons from how it was from just the paste and it was frequency locked so the GPU was not allowed to boost as high so temps definitely not reaching the levels that it would on normal use so this was a nothing burger in the end too which was just a shame.
The point is NOT to look at GPU performance, but rather thermal conductivity performance of both TIM's. One can rationally conclude that a cooler GPU core would boost better than otherwise. It goes without say.
But that wasn't what you did though all you showed me is the performance when used on a locked clock speed at max power limits when all we needed to know was this was how it performed with TIM vs this is how it performed with the Kryosheet in the end I am still not sure how good a product it is compared to just Thermal paste as I said it was a nothing burger and please don't tell me that cause it's made by Derbauer's company that the quality and claims in the packaging is true yada yada cause it isn't exactly cheap so I would prefer someone trustworthy would actually do a proper review but I guess the fact that nobody has done so just means it's not as good as advertised and nobody is willing to cross Derbauer to prove it @@TechnologyHive
@fredsorre6605 I'm not sponsored by anyone, so my videos are my own unbiased opinions. I think I made it very clear that thermal paste IS better at thermal conductivity than the Kryosheet. Anyway, have a nice day, and thanks for watching.
I use now on my 7900 XTX after year thermal past was not good and got hotspot average of 98c up to 113c
Now average 80c max 91c
With powerlimt 15% 1150vcore
Wow, that's a big difference! Nice work there 👍🏼
@@TechnologyHive and fans run now much lower some game was 69% and now dont go over 50%
wish thy always use kryosheet in GPU.
@@robinenbernhard Yeah, but that would be real expensive for board partners to do. Dow Corning is the main supplier of most thermal pastes used by NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel. Cheap, but it lasts.
The fan speed was supposed to be 60%😢 all the mx6 test
What do you mean? I am sorry, I do not understand.
Heard Der8auer saying there'll some "application oil" in next version to ease up installation. For my part I used a tiny dot of TP to make the thing stick in place
But wtf using $20 Kryosheet on a GPU hardly worth more lol
@pascaldifolco4611 I would only recommend this stuff if you just want to never take your gpu apart again. It performs well compared to traditional pastes. But I would not pay for this stuff myself. Not worth the cost, IMO.
needs some adhesive as its pita to apply. thanks for the vid!
Thanks for watching!
Just use a drop of thermal paste around the corners to make it stick.
Don't touch it with your fingers??... Greasy fingers will ruin some of it...
Where did you get this information? Did you read it on the Grizzly website?
@@TechnologyHive It's stricyly from my own personal experience.. I have 2 identical laptops 3080's.. used a plastic pincer on one, and greasy fingers on the other.. And the difference is about 3-4 degrees under heavy load.. Idle temps is about the same.. :-) .. other than that.. then longetivity of using kryosheets over paste makes it worth it in itself.. Not trying to be an idiot, just sharing experience :-).. and it's fragile.. so dont use metal pincer :-)
@@TechnologyHive Note: Multiple use of KryoSheet is not recommended!
When dismantling the cooler and handling the KryoSheet after use, microcracks may occur in the structure of the graphene pads, which may impair Performance.
Taken from their website.. So maybe its not fingers.. but plastic pincer makes you certain not to ruin it.. finger handling will risk micro cracks.. I guess thats why mine perform slightly different
@@vixN I appreciate the feedback. No offence taken. I just keep reading all these comments about not touching it with your fingers or it will degrade the product. This is the same that used to be said about touching CPU pins and or CPU socket pins. This has long been debunked and still I read comments of people still thinking it is damaging to touch CPU pins, or pads.
The Thermal Grizzly Kryosheet is nothing more than graphene or graphite. Graphene is safe to touch and has actually been around for decades. It is nothing new. Carbon nanotubes are just graphene sheets rolled into a cylindrical shape. It has many uses aside thermal conductivity such as in clothing and tennis racquets to tissue engineering, and bulletproof gear.
Long story short, it is nothing special you can't touch. It is nothing more than just a sheet of carbon. However, Kryosheet is very fragile and touching it as I did in the video can cause physical damage to it, resulting in a deteriorating structure. I see both sides of the argument.
@@vixN You hit the nail in the head!
I don't understand why immediately after opening the pack, you just háve to get your fingers all over the damn thing. That's disgusting and horrible for performance. Same with the GPU now! Stop touching everything! What are you doing?
Where on Grizzly's website does it say "one must not touch the Kryosheet with bare fingers, or it will effect performance"?
And what well verified sources can you please provide that demonstrate touching a GPU is "disgusting and horrible for performance"? Thank you!
It would be best if you weren't touching it with bare Hands. The head engineer will design it. He has a RUclips video stating and that he is wearing gloves while handling the Kryosheets. The Gamer Nexus crew has also done a review video on this product, and they are also wearing gloves. They also gave a PSA on wearing gloves while handling this product.
Please post the links to those videos you're mentioning because Roman at Grizzly never said that. In none of his videos does he mention anything like that.
looks like seaweed sheet. yummy
😆dont try eating it
One thing to remember don't touch the pad too much there are alot of oils on you're hands handle it too much and you're ruining it
Nope. I have contacted Grizzly about this and spoke to Roman. He has verified that it makes absolutely no difference if you touch the pad or not. Not one bit. He made a video where he himself is touching the pad with his bare fingers. It is ok to handle it with your fingers, no problem.
you put skin oil and skin cells all over it. those will get hot. you're not meant to touch these, especially not the middle plane area
Who told you this? Can you point to where on Grizzly's website it says you are not supposed to touch it with bare fingers? Or where on the instructions does it say not to touch it with bare fingers? Or is it a myth you fell for?
Norman (ceo of Grizzly) never has said anything of the sort. Please stop spreading disinformation. It does not help the techie community!
@@TechnologyHive it’s thermodynamics. skin oil gets very hot. just use your head here
@Benjamin1998 Thermodynamics? There is nothing to do with Thermodynamics lol. Since you can't pinpoint your source of information backing your claim, I'll leave it as that. A myth. Have a nice day.
Can you do comparison with artic mx6
I did. It's part of the video.
That product is trash keeps moving when applying cooler use the normal thermal paste from grizzly way better
When done properly it works like a charm. But I do see your point. It does tend to move around on you LOL. Just be patient and eventually you'll get it right.
Nope
You shouldn't touch it, do not want to get oils from your figures on it!
Where did you get this information from? Or is it something you made up?
@@TechnologyHive Well usually when people working with microelectronics they are doing it with minimal contact to avoid damaging components from electrostatic discharge anyway. About skin oil, well im no physicist but since oil is used for cooking common sense tells me it is able to transfer heat pretty much. For me the real question is if skin oil is causing chemical degradation to the sheet or not that shortens the lifespan of the sheet.
@@Betonoszlop I have spoken to Roman from Grizzly, and he confirms that touching the Kryosheet does absolutely nothing. He does it himself, in one of his videos.
@@TechnologyHive Nothing to worry about then! Cheers sir!
@@Betonoszlop Cheers 🙂
you keep rubbing your fingers oils on the sheet.... lol ruined!
Wrong! I have spoken to Roman from Grizzly, and it is perfectly fine to touch it with your fingers, as he himself does in one of his latest videos. Go learn something.