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I did, unfriendly coworkers, you have articulated your challenges eloquently, I think no one can infer you were bitter or anything, it wasn't just meant to be. point-blank. keep doing great. and you are not only intelligent but very self-aware and beautiful
“I didn’t get to enjoy the money because I was working so much and I was miserable.” THIS. If you disregard everything else, this essentially sucks the most (imo). You work so hard but don’t get to enjoy the money! Thanks for sharing, in the same boat currently!
I agree! A huge lesson I had to learn because beforehand my attitude was "money over everything"... Soooo not the case! I hope you find a new and better situation 💕 I know you will!
I'm a consultant for a big 4 company in Begium and seems like the expectations you had at the beginning weren't really accurate. If you start your carreer as a consultant expecting glamorous offices, cocktail parties, or expect to immediately be top of the food chain, you'll of course be disappointed. The reason to start a career in consulting should be to listen, observe and learn. Entitlement is the most common weakness of junior consultants, in my opinion.
Judging from this video and the video previous about quitting your consulting job it seems a lot of the aspects that attracted you to consulting were not the consulting job itself but rather the ancillary lifestyle you believed it would provide. Overall I believe this video addresses the issue of the "consulting kool aid" but you haven't delved very deep into the nature of the job, overall career prospects or wider range of project engagements and specializations that people will need to work toward as they rank torward senior assoc and beyond.
You're absolutely right! The reason for that is there is so much info about career prospects, how to get promoted, etc. already on the internet and I want to provide a new perspective on the things I believe are not adequately commented on. I do believe I speak about nature of the job though. When you begin, it's a lot of taking notes and formatting slides. Thank you for your feedback, I will keep it in mind when I film future videos :)
@@ZoePritchard fair enough I understand the disillusionment of the consulting industry having gone through similar process myself moving intk consulting including the ppt monkey stages. All the best for your endeavours.
I definitely think this video was directed towards new grads - so the in depth of about what the job actually entailed - she didn’t feel compelled to dive deep in. I will say from uni standpoint this was probably more beneficial because consulting at the big 4 has always been glamorized. So I think that’s why that was her focus
Great video! I worked at Deloitte for over four years and I think its weird that so many people have such a drastic experience with consulting. I had a blast and loved consulting, but my brother in law (who I was able to bring into Deloitte) hates it and is having a miserable time. Luck plays a major role too. Being placed in the right project, right team, manager, work hours, what city you end up with, etc dictates how much you will like it
I agree. I think getting into the right project and right team really makes a different. Entering my 3rd year in a big 4 and i think the reason why i am able to remain still is due to getting into the right team and having the right manager. Some of my friends were not that lucky hence couldn’t cope with it anymore and leave. All my cohorts have left the firm :(
Pwc consultant here. I’m in my first year. Agree that luck being placed on the right team matters. I plan on quitting within a month. My manager and seniors make me miserable. My director is horrible toxic and bullies me. I’m so jealous of the other new hires I met at orientation training who got out on good teams and they all say they will never leave. I am unfortunately leaving but I’m making 1 solid year of experience. Would love to try consulting again if I could find the right team and people
I've already worked in Deloitte Brazil and OH MY GOD, when I saw your last video I thought: "I'm not the only one" and now I'm sure of it. Don't stop making this kind of video you are perfect, honest and funny!
God bless you. May I say that I am forever thankful to God for sending His Son Jesus Christ to die for my sins, and for the Holy Ghost for being with me every step of the way.
Thank you for this video, it just encouraged me to take the job at a Big 4 firm, Right now im not looking for trendy/glam stuff and I dont want to spend my money on activities, I want to invest. I want to be with the client no matter how ugly their office looks and establish my expertise. This video relieved huge stress because I can’t keep up with Glam stuff and cocktails parties and going downtown every single day in a fancy outfit lol so Im glad thats not what I signed up for
This was really eye opening. I've been a consultant in South Africa for 3 years now and ALL of this is true for me lol. My brain is wired to think of work 24/7. It sounds horrible but its afforded me to travel to so many places, meet a ton of great people...but we work damn hard. Great work on this video :)
I just discovered your channel and I’m really loving your videos! 💕 Although I found myself surprised at some of your points, specifically around expectation #2...so I thought I would share my experience as someone who has worked at a huge, global consulting firm (comparable to that of the big 4) for 2.5 years now. Sure, as an entry level analyst within your first year or so, you aren’t tasked on super innovative or strategic initiatives and may be stuck doing much of the grunt work (e.g. email comms, meeting notes, PP slide formatting) since that’s all you can be trusted to do until you prove otherwise. If you have a strong work ethic, remain proactive, and prove you’re a high-performer, you can gain much more autonomy and exposure to more exciting work very, very quickly. And this is really the case regardless of whether you work in consulting or not. In my experience, a huge part of it is not only your individual performance, but also the culture within your company and on your respective project/engagement. It sounds to me like you either ended up with a bad manager or perhaps the specific firm you worked for didn’t value its junior level employees as much as others do. This is not the reality of all big 4 or large consulting firms. In fact, I’ve seen junior level employees (including myself) get intentionally called upon to share their thoughts/opinions by senior leadership (although it’s true that a large part of the job at first is observing and learning from your more senior counterparts). Yes, at times it requires a lot of hard work and long hours, but you can’t really expect much else with such a large starting salary. I just want young people watching to know that although it’s possible to get stuck in the unfortunate situations you described in this video as a new consultant (and any other job right out of college), it’s also just as possible to have a completely polar opposite experience. Hope you don’t take this the wrong way! That’s just my two cents 😄 But thanks for sharing!
I feel like its rough but at the same time the scope of work is unlike any other profession. You can develop an amazing network, specialize in a industry if u want and eventually leave the exit opportunities once ur a senior consultant are phenomenal! Nothing comes easy a few years of hard work are well worth it. Plus I was in Audit for a few months and boy Consultings feels amazing after that. The work is varied and you do get interesting projects every now and then. If u show initiative you can grow tremendously. I personally think it is the best place to start and sets u up well.
Hello :) i agree on the topic in relation to the work life balance. I disagree though on other things u said, as you mentioned (if i am not mistaken) worked in a big4 for 3 months .this is a profession u get to work your way up and do the exciting stuff once u have the skills and experience to do so:) and if someone loves the job he doesnt really mind if he/she works in the client office. Yes i also preferred working at the office but is what is. I just have to say that the experiences and the people i met were truly unforgetable :)
I saw the previous video as well and I'm thankful for the information you've provided! Gives me a general and specific information for me to take into consideration. Wishing you tons of luck for your future endeavors!
Started working at one of the Big4 here in Spain 3 months ago. From the first week, I knew it wasn’t meant to me. It was frustrating that I was so hyped by colleagues who kept telling me how amazing is working at these places. Maybe they are, but as you and others in the comment section said, it is not for everyone. Currently I am still working at one of them due to COVID, because it allows me to work from home and even tho the pay is low, it’s better than zero revenue when there is an incoming worldwide recession. That’s the only reason I didnt quit yet. But yeah, it’s not worth it, imo
I moved to mid tier. The work was the same but the hours and workload was more manageable. Also I really love my team here in the new firm, so I got really lucky in switching companies. You have plenty of options, don't feel bad about not enjoying your first big corporate job.
I don’t think the problem is the job itself, it is more of your high expectations. I am trying to be an auditor and I already know that it won’t be glamorous. I know that being a new graduate they obviously wouldn’t put me on important stuff. You learn as you go, either you got fooled really badly by the company or you really didn’t do much research on what consulting actually is. I love working with numbers and I am not very outgoing and into partying. I would just love to have a few hours with my self and that is why I know I will be able to work in that kind of environment. If you can’t then you are not fit for this job or you don’t actually like this job. This video really seems bizarre to me because most of the stuff you mentioned are too good to be true and anyone would know that what they say is not always true.
Hahaha I loved this video. I went into consulting after 5 years of working in a business. So I didn’t start out straight out from school. So really enjoyed it as I didn’t have to do the fresh out of school junk work. I mean I understand why they get the fresh blood to do that as what else do you really know straight out of school? You don’t have any experience. On the flying and hotels. Oh that made me laugh. So true. You land up in real hell holes. However I landed up in some great projects in London, Dublin, Stockholm and Helsinki. So it’s not all terrible all the time. I find the projects in the USA were the worst except for NeW York. The terrible office that they give you at client site hahaha perfect. Such terrible setup for the consultants. I did find however I really did and still do get to enjoy the money I am making. So that I couldn’t agree totally with but can understand it could happen. I have 12 years of consulting and it just works for me. Tough skin and not caring makes a big difference as you say. First video I have seen of yours and you could not be more spot on about your points. Well done and all the best to you!
i'm an older gal, I would love to be referred as young lady he he! ... I remember the days of working at a table with 8 people on a small laptop... Did you ever get the pressure of constant performance? Like things were never good enough. They would criticize the smallest things you did? Like u do all these hours and its never good enough. There is an often up or out pressure there. I remember a boss was buying us drinks late at night and encouraged us to stay out late. Then when I was 5 minutes late the next morning scolded me.
re pressure to stay out then be early: oh boy!! I would have been so mad! hahaha... Constant pressure yes! I remember having to work on the train ride home from Ottawa after spending 10 hours on-site at the client. The train was shaking and I didn't even have much work to do.. just had to pretend to work to keep up appearances, couldn't relax for 5 minutes when anyone was around LOL
Canadians are always so cheerful ,found your channel from Brookes channel,I sometimes watch her to listen to her talking about food ideas and city life.
Great video. People think it is very highly paid. But basic math(s) shows that, per hour, it is not as highly paid as the headline figure suggests. That's quite before you look at the physical, mental and emotional toll it takes on you. As you speak to. The only thing people will really miss out on if they don't go this route is being surrounded by similarly driven, bright 'can do' people. I did find your comment on the laptop riser kinda funny. Like, did you not just shove one in your carry on? I always had a riser and a wireless mouse/ keyboard. Deffo posture saver.
I see where you’re coming from and I do see why all the things are true at big 4. However it’s not always true for management consulting. I didn’t get into big 4 after graduating from school but I got my first job in a boutique consulting firm. All the expectations you mentioned become true except for I do need to always work at client site. The problems are complex, and I do receive a lot mentor and client attention. I love my job. Well maybe you need to give boutique firms a try 😜
Dude, the amount of vanity looming over consulting fantasies makes me question whether people are doing it for the right reasons. I don’t want to consult to fly business class or drink cocktails…..I want to be in a position to help people run their business efficiently and ideally, gratify the employees they are probably failing.
100% true, I am from Saudi and that applies even here! I have been in the same situations, unfortunately. Try managing and planing for your career properly.
it really speaks for how much (successful) marketing goes into portraying these otherwise quite mundane and sterile corporate career paths. it's all for show. the idea of big salaries and travel and drinking and prestige. perhaps it's a relic from the boomer years when these aspects of the job were a bit more common. I for one have become almost allergic to the corporate lifestyle. it's so sterile, inauthentic and salesy. they market it to be cool so wide-eyed young people who don't know any better leap for underpaid overworked roles.
Currently working for a big 4 as BI Engineer. As a team we could average 13hrs per day and work extremely hard and few people knew the stuff we were doing. BUT, the long hours and the knowledge you get prepare you mentally for pretty much any workplace and makes your mindset tougher . Everything seems way easier after that :).
Hello Thanks for sharing, I feel that the second one (which is the most important) can only be solved by being a freelancer consultant for smaller clients. What you've mentioned is not only in consulting jobs, but every job. Like for example when you work in stock market analysis field, you are simply not going to do any analysis. Rather a secretary or a data entry clerk for an analyst. For the travel (But not as luxurious) also can be solved by this. But you gotta have the talent and experience.
Hi Zoe, thanks for this review, Can you help me to pass the internship period to be a member of EY? your advice for me! I will begin my Internship after 2 days! My Greet!
Honestly, most of the negatives you mentioned here are more like positives compared to what I'm facing in the Marines so you more or less sold me on consulting for my MBA Concentration lol
Wow! First of all, congratulations for working and maintaining a youtube channel. I hope I can handle that situation too. I'm starting to work next week.
Haha! Zoe, Great video. I love the differences between Quebecois French and French French. "Cinq a Sept" in France definitely doesn't mean cocktail parties! Look it up :)
Hey Zoe, I really appreciate your honesty. I'll be starting at a big consulting firm in a couple months and I was wondering what your biggest tips or advice would be for new hires. Thanks! (potential video idea lol)
thats a great video idea!! off the top of my head it would be: say yes to everything (like every project/opportunity), be clear with your manager about your working style or if something isn't working for you (like they're instructions arent clear or something), and network a lot!! In big 4 you really need to sell yourself to get on projects and this starts from day 1. Best of luck!!
1) Get a sponsor at the firm. A sponsor should be someone who will always vouch for you, especially when the doors close and performance reviews are held. You want your sponsor to speak highly of you and really be a driver in your career development. 2) Network with a purpose and be very strategic about the types of projects you choose. What types of skill-sets do you want to build? 3) Build a brand - What will you be known for? Good luck!
Thanks for sharing your honest experience! It is great to hear :) I am documenting my job search journey now in the hospitality industry and hoping to share my learnings with others!
Love this thanks so much! Also wondering if your services apply to third year uni students? I want to get into consulting after graduation but i’d also like to prepare before that (good resume/internships) so I can be in the best position possible.
absolutely!! there are so many things I wish I had known in my third year to be better prepared & I would love to help you 😇 send me an email zoelovex3@gmail.com and we can talk more!
I’m currently looking into getting into management consulting but I’m not too sure what consulting firms like Deloitte and EY are looking for in candidates. As a new grad with no consulting experience, what GPA are consulting firms typically looking for? I am currently in a masters program at a business school.
You can be pretty much any major and get internships in the consulting area to build up those skills. For example, I’m currently a Philosophy and Supply Chain Management dual major and working towards becoming a healthcare/ biotech consultant. I just need to get internships in the area.
I can second basically all of this, but I started during the pandemic so working at client sites isn't something I can speak to. I've been at my Big 4 for 6 months and have been treated HORRENDOUSLY
There is a big problem with the new generations, I worked for Deloitte Consulting Mexico for 7 years, for sure I learned a lot, my later jobs were obtained just because I came from a Big 4....for recruiters this was a Win-Win and a guarantee, and that´s a Good thing. Working for a Big 4 is like an investment: No Pain, No Gain..... But for sure, working for a Big 4 left me with many emotional and physical consequences. Maybe I was lucky....something that I consider was extremely important for me is that I speak 4 languages (English, Spanish, Portuguese & German) which opened up many opportunities for me and just "maybe" better destinations and projects...But, for sure, it´s good to work for a Big 4 to obtain recognition and experience....Regards.
Hey all, I am currently working at Deloitte USI, and it's not like what it looks from outside. There's alot of monetary benefits and privileges, but when I go to bed I question myself, Am I really happy?......
@@LeveragedFinance based on the $25/hr career consulting fee? That’s more like 52k. But, as a new SAP consultant at Deloitte, with analyst experience, in a low-cost South Eastern USA city, a junior makes around 90k.
Trust me first time when I heard about management consulting I was like flying as an angel that now I can travel the world bla bla bla shit but now it's like boom all just got finished
Get involved at your school in committees or case competitions to boost your CV. I was on student government and also business case comps and it gave me a lot of the experience they were looking for. Best of luck!!
Funny. Being Military I don’t care about ANY of the things she said 😂. I want to make good money and see my work actually produce change for the betterment of a company
it's because these vague corporate roles are sold as dreams to wide-eyed hopefuls so that THEY sell dreams to others. it's very much a sales kind of line of work, despite the facade of analysis.
The big problem is within your lack of actual work experience. If you had any, you would figure how to interact with difficult people and managers and navigate your way through it. Or how to move from one department towards another if you like it better there. There are far more worse jobs than this one. Coming straight out of college, your skill set and knowledge is below ground level, I doubt you will find a job with so many benefits and privileged for the level of ‘expertise’ you were offering. The good thing about large corporations is that they allow a literal 0 to grow into top management, whereas with smaller companies - you actually have to add actual value to the company.
im looking into being a consultant although i dont mind not working for the big4 due to it being so strenious. Are there consulting jobs that I can work that are worth the time due to me having values for family/mental health and just down time in general! please respond
yes absolutely!! that's what I have now... look for smaller firms in your area and ask them about their values, work-life balance etc. when you interview :)
Something between 100k and 150k USD base salary depending on the country for MBB, then bonus will vary between 20 and 40% also depending on country and performance. Big 4 will tend to be lower than that though
@@gursahibsingh8749 Nope, that's a bit high, stick to the ranges above :) That's also pre-tax of course. Maybe consider Dubai as it's top pay in PPP and tax free
Now I'm pursuing bachelor of hotel management and catering technology and i want to start my career in consulting after MBA so, which experience i need to have after conpleting my graduation
the “young lady” moment did not sound fun 😷 thanks for sharing! Is it true that most consulting projects in the big 4 are basically number crunching / big data analysis?
have you ever had a job that did not meet your expectations?
Yes
hell to the yes.
Almost all of them
Hi Zoe :)
We, Learning Lab, are a group of students from top universities of India and we are starting an online Learning Circle on Consulting.
Lots of love to you from our team. We would love to collaborate with you and it would be great if you can have a webinar for students in India on Consulting.
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I did, unfriendly coworkers, you have articulated your challenges eloquently, I think no one can infer you were bitter or anything, it wasn't just meant to be. point-blank. keep doing great. and you are not only intelligent but very self-aware and beautiful
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“I didn’t get to enjoy the money because I was working so much and I was miserable.” THIS. If you disregard everything else, this essentially sucks the most (imo). You work so hard but don’t get to enjoy the money! Thanks for sharing, in the same boat currently!
I agree! A huge lesson I had to learn because beforehand my attitude was "money over everything"... Soooo not the case! I hope you find a new and better situation 💕 I know you will!
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I'm a consultant for a big 4 company in Begium and seems like the expectations you had at the beginning weren't really accurate. If you start your carreer as a consultant expecting glamorous offices, cocktail parties, or expect to immediately be top of the food chain, you'll of course be disappointed. The reason to start a career in consulting should be to listen, observe and learn. Entitlement is the most common weakness of junior consultants, in my opinion.
What did you study to become a consultant ?
@@itshardtofind--9538 First did a master in Sociology, followed by a master in Public Management
@@gillesderoo7708 What sector of consulting are you involved in? Management, IT, HR…?
@@unknowninformant6730 Public Sector
thats why they are expectations lmao-their not supposed to be accuracte.
Judging from this video and the video previous about quitting your consulting job it seems a lot of the aspects that attracted you to consulting were not the consulting job itself but rather the ancillary lifestyle you believed it would provide. Overall I believe this video addresses the issue of the "consulting kool aid" but you haven't delved very deep into the nature of the job, overall career prospects or wider range of project engagements and specializations that people will need to work toward as they rank torward senior assoc and beyond.
You're absolutely right! The reason for that is there is so much info about career prospects, how to get promoted, etc. already on the internet and I want to provide a new perspective on the things I believe are not adequately commented on. I do believe I speak about nature of the job though. When you begin, it's a lot of taking notes and formatting slides. Thank you for your feedback, I will keep it in mind when I film future videos :)
@@ZoePritchard fair enough I understand the disillusionment of the consulting industry having gone through similar process myself moving intk consulting including the ppt monkey stages. All the best for your endeavours.
I definitely think this video was directed towards new grads - so the in depth of about what the job actually entailed - she didn’t feel compelled to dive deep in. I will say from uni standpoint this was probably more beneficial because consulting at the big 4 has always been glamorized. So I think that’s why that was her focus
Great video! I worked at Deloitte for over four years and I think its weird that so many people have such a drastic experience with consulting. I had a blast and loved consulting, but my brother in law (who I was able to bring into Deloitte) hates it and is having a miserable time. Luck plays a major role too. Being placed in the right project, right team, manager, work hours, what city you end up with, etc dictates how much you will like it
I totally agree!
I agree. I think getting into the right project and right team really makes a different. Entering my 3rd year in a big 4 and i think the reason why i am able to remain still is due to getting into the right team and having the right manager. Some of my friends were not that lucky hence couldn’t cope with it anymore and leave. All my cohorts have left the firm :(
Pwc consultant here. I’m in my first year. Agree that luck being placed on the right team matters. I plan on quitting within a month. My manager and seniors make me miserable. My director is horrible toxic and bullies me. I’m so jealous of the other new hires I met at orientation training who got out on good teams and they all say they will never leave. I am unfortunately leaving but I’m making 1 solid year of experience. Would love to try consulting again if I could find the right team and people
@@gambit3950 Hey what did you end up doing?
I've already worked in Deloitte Brazil and OH MY GOD, when I saw your last video I thought: "I'm not the only one" and now I'm sure of it. Don't stop making this kind of video you are perfect, honest and funny!
aww thank you so much!! 😇
God bless you. May I say that I am forever thankful to God for sending His Son Jesus Christ to die for my sins, and for the Holy Ghost for being with me every step of the way.
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Thank you for this video, it just encouraged me to take the job at a Big 4 firm, Right now im not looking for trendy/glam stuff and I dont want to spend my money on activities, I want to invest. I want to be with the client no matter how ugly their office looks and establish my expertise. This video relieved huge stress because I can’t keep up with Glam stuff and cocktails parties and going downtown every single day in a fancy outfit lol so Im glad thats not what I signed up for
This was very transparent. I'm a Former Big 4 consultant and your insights are spot on. Well done.
thank you!!
This was really eye opening. I've been a consultant in South Africa for 3 years now and ALL of this is true for me lol. My brain is wired to think of work 24/7. It sounds horrible but its afforded me to travel to so many places, meet a ton of great people...but we work damn hard. Great work on this video :)
thank you so much!!! & thanks for sharing
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I just discovered your channel and I’m really loving your videos! 💕 Although I found myself surprised at some of your points, specifically around expectation #2...so I thought I would share my experience as someone who has worked at a huge, global consulting firm (comparable to that of the big 4) for 2.5 years now. Sure, as an entry level analyst within your first year or so, you aren’t tasked on super innovative or strategic initiatives and may be stuck doing much of the grunt work (e.g. email comms, meeting notes, PP slide formatting) since that’s all you can be trusted to do until you prove otherwise. If you have a strong work ethic, remain proactive, and prove you’re a high-performer, you can gain much more autonomy and exposure to more exciting work very, very quickly. And this is really the case regardless of whether you work in consulting or not. In my experience, a huge part of it is not only your individual performance, but also the culture within your company and on your respective project/engagement. It sounds to me like you either ended up with a bad manager or perhaps the specific firm you worked for didn’t value its junior level employees as much as others do. This is not the reality of all big 4 or large consulting firms. In fact, I’ve seen junior level employees (including myself) get intentionally called upon to share their thoughts/opinions by senior leadership (although it’s true that a large part of the job at first is observing and learning from your more senior counterparts). Yes, at times it requires a lot of hard work and long hours, but you can’t really expect much else with such a large starting salary. I just want young people watching to know that although it’s possible to get stuck in the unfortunate situations you described in this video as a new consultant (and any other job right out of college), it’s also just as possible to have a completely polar opposite experience. Hope you don’t take this the wrong way! That’s just my two cents 😄 But thanks for sharing!
Jeez this was a really long comment... I’m obviously very passionate about this lol. 😅
Cinclair Dominguez hahaha I appreciate your point of view 💕💕💕 & so happy you are liking my vide 🙈
Thanks for your comment and I definitely agree with you!
That's the problem with this anglophone society, at 23 you already expect to rule the worlds, nail your skills first.
exactly . at 22 already managers + wife and childern. I'd rather be unemployed life long
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I feel like its rough but at the same time the scope of work is unlike any other profession. You can develop an amazing network, specialize in a industry if u want and eventually leave the exit opportunities once ur a senior consultant are phenomenal! Nothing comes easy a few years of hard work are well worth it. Plus I was in Audit for a few months and boy Consultings feels amazing after that. The work is varied and you do get interesting projects every now and then. If u show initiative you can grow tremendously. I personally think it is the best place to start and sets u up well.
Hello :) i agree on the topic in relation to the work life balance. I disagree though on other things u said, as you mentioned (if i am not mistaken) worked in a big4 for 3 months .this is a profession u get to work your way up and do the exciting stuff once u have the skills and experience to do so:) and if someone loves the job he doesnt really mind if he/she works in the client office. Yes i also preferred working at the office but is what is. I just have to say that the experiences and the people i met were truly unforgetable :)
I saw the previous video as well and I'm thankful for the information you've provided! Gives me a general and specific information for me to take into consideration. Wishing you tons of luck for your future endeavors!
thank you so much!!!
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early career consulting = SLAPPING DECKS! Everyday is a deck day :D
LOOOOL deck day haha
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Started working at one of the Big4 here in Spain 3 months ago. From the first week, I knew it wasn’t meant to me. It was frustrating that I was so hyped by colleagues who kept telling me how amazing is working at these places. Maybe they are, but as you and others in the comment section said, it is not for everyone. Currently I am still working at one of them due to COVID, because it allows me to work from home and even tho the pay is low, it’s better than zero revenue when there is an incoming worldwide recession. That’s the only reason I didnt quit yet. But yeah, it’s not worth it, imo
hope you find something you love when covid eases up!
Are you still there?
I moved to mid tier. The work was the same but the hours and workload was more manageable. Also I really love my team here in the new firm, so I got really lucky in switching companies. You have plenty of options, don't feel bad about not enjoying your first big corporate job.
How is it going
I don’t think the problem is the job itself, it is more of your high expectations. I am trying to be an auditor and I already know that it won’t be glamorous. I know that being a new graduate they obviously wouldn’t put me on important stuff. You learn as you go, either you got fooled really badly by the company or you really didn’t do much research on what consulting actually is. I love working with numbers and I am not very outgoing and into partying. I would just love to have a few hours with my self and that is why I know I will be able to work in that kind of environment. If you can’t then you are not fit for this job or you don’t actually like this job. This video really seems bizarre to me because most of the stuff you mentioned are too good to be true and anyone would know that what they say is not always true.
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Hahaha I loved this video.
I went into consulting after 5 years of working in a business. So I didn’t start out straight out from school. So really enjoyed it as I didn’t have to do the fresh out of school junk work. I mean I understand why they get the fresh blood to do that as what else do you really know straight out of school? You don’t have any experience.
On the flying and hotels. Oh that made me laugh. So true. You land up in real hell holes. However I landed up in some great projects in London, Dublin, Stockholm and Helsinki. So it’s not all terrible all the time. I find the projects in the USA were the worst except for NeW York. The terrible office that they give you at client site hahaha perfect. Such terrible setup for the consultants. I did find however I really did and still do get to enjoy the money I am making. So that I couldn’t agree totally with but can understand it could happen. I have 12 years of consulting and it just works for me. Tough skin and not caring makes a big difference as you say. First video I have seen of yours and you could not be more spot on about your points. Well done and all the best to you!
i'm an older gal, I would love to be referred as young lady he he! ... I remember the days of working at a table with 8 people on a small laptop... Did you ever get the pressure of constant performance? Like things were never good enough. They would criticize the smallest things you did? Like u do all these hours and its never good enough. There is an often up or out pressure there. I remember a boss was buying us drinks late at night and encouraged us to stay out late. Then when I was 5 minutes late the next morning scolded me.
re pressure to stay out then be early: oh boy!! I would have been so mad! hahaha... Constant pressure yes! I remember having to work on the train ride home from Ottawa after spending 10 hours on-site at the client. The train was shaking and I didn't even have much work to do.. just had to pretend to work to keep up appearances, couldn't relax for 5 minutes when anyone was around LOL
Canadians are always so cheerful ,found your channel from Brookes channel,I sometimes watch her to listen to her talking about food ideas and city life.
Grant Rennie yay!!! welcome 😇
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Great video. People think it is very highly paid. But basic math(s) shows that, per hour, it is not as highly paid as the headline figure suggests. That's quite before you look at the physical, mental and emotional toll it takes on you. As you speak to. The only thing people will really miss out on if they don't go this route is being surrounded by similarly driven, bright 'can do' people. I did find your comment on the laptop riser kinda funny. Like, did you not just shove one in your carry on? I always had a riser and a wireless mouse/ keyboard. Deffo posture saver.
I see where you’re coming from and I do see why all the things are true at big 4. However it’s not always true for management consulting. I didn’t get into big 4 after graduating from school but I got my first job in a boutique consulting firm. All the expectations you mentioned become true except for I do need to always work at client site. The problems are complex, and I do receive a lot mentor and client attention. I love my job. Well maybe you need to give boutique firms a try 😜
You should totally make a video about your experience in consulting/ working with a boutique consulting firm..
I'm in a medium size now & its going much better :)
Zoe Pritchard Glad you’re enjoying the current work :-) keep us posted!!!
I’m literally so happy I found you on RUclips lol love your energy
thank you so much 💕
I am seeing this on the first day of my PWC project!!!
Dude, the amount of vanity looming over consulting fantasies makes me question whether people are doing it for the right reasons. I don’t want to consult to fly business class or drink cocktails…..I want to be in a position to help people run their business efficiently and ideally, gratify the employees they are probably failing.
100% true, I am from Saudi and that applies even here! I have been in the same situations, unfortunately. Try managing and planing for your career properly.
Recognised the SiR song in the intro straight away. Respect.
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I get so excited whenever you upload. Thanks for all your hard work. Your videos have honestly been getting me through quarantine
Sis you're comments are getting me through quarantine ❤️ thank you so much!!
13:25 that reaction is so perfect
it really speaks for how much (successful) marketing goes into portraying these otherwise quite mundane and sterile corporate career paths. it's all for show. the idea of big salaries and travel and drinking and prestige. perhaps it's a relic from the boomer years when these aspects of the job were a bit more common. I for one have become almost allergic to the corporate lifestyle. it's so sterile, inauthentic and salesy. they market it to be cool so wide-eyed young people who don't know any better leap for underpaid overworked roles.
Currently working for a big 4 as BI Engineer. As a team we could average 13hrs per day and work extremely hard and few people knew the stuff we were doing. BUT, the long hours and the knowledge you get prepare you mentally for pretty much any workplace and makes your mindset tougher . Everything seems way easier after that :).
It's amazing how honest you were about your experiences. Thanks!
glad you enjoyed!! xx
Hello
Thanks for sharing, I feel that the second one (which is the most important) can only be solved by being a freelancer consultant for smaller clients. What you've mentioned is not only in consulting jobs, but every job. Like for example when you work in stock market analysis field, you are simply not going to do any analysis. Rather a secretary or a data entry clerk for an analyst.
For the travel (But not as luxurious) also can be solved by this.
But you gotta have the talent and experience.
Hi Zoe,
thanks for this review,
Can you help me to pass the internship period to be a member of EY? your advice for me!
I will begin my Internship after 2 days!
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Honestly, most of the negatives you mentioned here are more like positives compared to what I'm facing in the Marines so you more or less sold me on consulting for my MBA Concentration lol
Nice to hear some hard truth 😂😂
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Hi. Could I know how long is the working hours as a consultant. Is it so bad that consultant still needs to work during weekends?
Wow! First of all, congratulations for working and maintaining a youtube channel. I hope I can handle that situation too. I'm starting to work next week.
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Haha! Zoe, Great video. I love the differences between Quebecois French and French French. "Cinq a Sept" in France definitely doesn't mean cocktail parties! Look it up :)
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i frken love ur honesty! go you
thank you so much!!
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Hey Zoe, I really appreciate your honesty. I'll be starting at a big consulting firm in a couple months and I was wondering what your biggest tips or advice would be for new hires. Thanks! (potential video idea lol)
thats a great video idea!! off the top of my head it would be: say yes to everything (like every project/opportunity), be clear with your manager about your working style or if something isn't working for you (like they're instructions arent clear or something), and network a lot!! In big 4 you really need to sell yourself to get on projects and this starts from day 1. Best of luck!!
1) Get a sponsor at the firm. A sponsor should be someone who will always vouch for you, especially when the doors close and performance reviews are held. You want your sponsor to speak highly of you and really be a driver in your career development.
2) Network with a purpose and be very strategic about the types of projects you choose. What types of skill-sets do you want to build?
3) Build a brand - What will you be known for?
Good luck!
Thanks for sharing your honest experience! It is great to hear :) I am documenting my job search journey now in the hospitality industry and hoping to share my learnings with others!
Thank you!!
Love this thanks so much! Also wondering if your services apply to third year uni students? I want to get into consulting after graduation but i’d also like to prepare before that (good resume/internships) so I can be in the best position possible.
absolutely!! there are so many things I wish I had known in my third year to be better prepared & I would love to help you 😇 send me an email zoelovex3@gmail.com and we can talk more!
I’m currently looking into getting into management consulting but I’m not too sure what consulting firms like Deloitte and EY are looking for in candidates. As a new grad with no consulting experience, what GPA are consulting firms typically looking for? I am currently in a masters program at a business school.
What major should I be in university to be a management consultant? Thank youu
You can be pretty much any major and get internships in the consulting area to build up those skills. For example, I’m currently a Philosophy and Supply Chain Management dual major and working towards becoming a healthcare/ biotech consultant. I just need to get internships in the area.
I can second basically all of this, but I started during the pandemic so working at client sites isn't something I can speak to. I've been at my Big 4 for 6 months and have been treated HORRENDOUSLY
There is a big problem with the new generations, I worked for Deloitte Consulting Mexico for 7 years, for sure I learned a lot, my later jobs were obtained just because I came from a Big 4....for recruiters this was a Win-Win and a guarantee, and that´s a Good thing. Working for a Big 4 is like an investment: No Pain, No Gain..... But for sure, working for a Big 4 left me with many emotional and physical consequences. Maybe I was lucky....something that I consider was extremely important for me is that I speak 4 languages (English, Spanish, Portuguese & German) which opened up many opportunities for me and just "maybe" better destinations and projects...But, for sure, it´s good to work for a Big 4 to obtain recognition and experience....Regards.
Hey all, I am currently working at Deloitte USI, and it's not like what it looks from outside. There's alot of monetary benefits and privileges, but when I go to bed I question myself, Am I really happy?......
Is only consulting is not good in big 4 Or all the jobs at big 4 like accounting audit Or tax are also not so good?
so true about the tough skin, love your video
thank you girl 💕💕
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How were y’all’s hours?
Very informative and realistic. Thank you.
Did you have done mba ??? If you have then from where ?
Hi Zoe, if I finish from an ivy school (attain my masters degrees) realistically what could I go on a earn at a big 4 consulting firm? Thank you.
Joshua Oboh salary?? check on glassdoor or other consulting salary websites :)
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$60k starting isn't a lot for the hours you do
Where did 60k come from?
@@finejustgivemeaname she makes that much
@@LeveragedFinance based on the $25/hr career consulting fee? That’s more like 52k. But, as a new SAP consultant at Deloitte, with analyst experience, in a low-cost South Eastern USA city, a junior makes around 90k.
Trust me first time when I heard about management consulting I was like flying as an angel that now I can travel the world bla bla bla shit but now it's like boom all just got finished
Do you still charge $25 and hour ? Cause I’d LOVE to book you
haha no I’ve raised it! you can email me if you’d like to discuss :) zoelovex3@gmail.com
If in my industry I can earn 90k per year... What is the difference in consulting? What is the range to earn in Big 4? Only to get an idea
Do you have any advice for non-target MBA students who want to break into consulting?
Get involved at your school in committees or case competitions to boost your CV. I was on student government and also business case comps and it gave me a lot of the experience they were looking for. Best of luck!!
Funny. Being Military I don’t care about ANY of the things she said 😂. I want to make good money and see my work actually produce change for the betterment of a company
it's because these vague corporate roles are sold as dreams to wide-eyed hopefuls so that THEY sell dreams to others. it's very much a sales kind of line of work, despite the facade of analysis.
The big problem is within your lack of actual work experience. If you had any, you would figure how to interact with difficult people and managers and navigate your way through it. Or how to move from one department towards another if you like it better there. There are far more worse jobs than this one. Coming straight out of college, your skill set and knowledge is below ground level, I doubt you will find a job with so many benefits and privileged for the level of ‘expertise’ you were offering. The good thing about large corporations is that they allow a literal 0 to grow into top management, whereas with smaller companies - you actually have to add actual value to the company.
Omg I love this!!
thank youuu 💕
13:44 is facts
Joining MNC majorly does not upgrade you knowledge wise infact lowers your IQ, EQ level which indirectly affects your own loving family....
where is your sweater from?? I love it!!
Katie Maloney thank you!! its from oak and fort!!
Gotta pay your dues
im looking into being a consultant although i dont mind not working for the big4 due to it being so strenious. Are there consulting jobs that I can work that are worth the time due to me having values for family/mental health and just down time in general! please respond
yes absolutely!! that's what I have now... look for smaller firms in your area and ask them about their values, work-life balance etc. when you interview :)
Zoe Pritchard how much less is it (salary wise) than working for the big4?
Rozittaa R depends!! probably no difference or even better actually 🙃
Zoe Pritchard oh wow! Thanks so much! Just subbed btw😇
Rozittaa R thank you 🥰🥰🥰 yeah i thought big 4 salaries were like top notch but they are average honestly
love your vids!
thank you!!
Interesting video, thank you for sharing your input
Glad it was helpful!
Lmao. The “young lady” really cracks me up!!!!
I wanted to evaporate 😂🥴
@@ZoePritchard were you at KPMG? There are a lot of Staff Augs in my company. Lol.
@@jeffie7648 top secret haha
What is the starting salary after mba in top consulting firms as a consultant
Something between 100k and 150k USD base salary depending on the country for MBB, then bonus will vary between 20 and 40% also depending on country and performance. Big 4 will tend to be lower than that though
@@JunTomida can it starts from $250k in country like America
@@gursahibsingh8749 Nope, that's a bit high, stick to the ranges above :) That's also pre-tax of course. Maybe consider Dubai as it's top pay in PPP and tax free
Now I'm pursuing bachelor of hotel management and catering technology and i want to start my career in consulting after MBA so, which experience i need to have after conpleting my graduation
Is french required for consulting jobs in montreal?
for many but not all!
Thank you for your video ❤️
thanks for watching!
Where is your cardigan from? :)
Oak + Fort :)
Thanks for sharing this piece 😊
thank you for watching!!
You’re content is very entertaining!
thank you so much!!
loved this one..
thanks!
I might actually take you up on this
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the “young lady” moment did not sound fun 😷 thanks for sharing! Is it true that most consulting projects in the big 4 are basically number crunching / big data analysis?
Matt C i think depends on which competency youre in... if youre in people, cyber, or operations it likely will not be
I youtubed "consulting is fun" and this video came up :/
uh oh 😂
Could you do one for smaller consulting firms?
Hopefully I can collab with someone who works in a smaller firm :)
Video was very helpful
Young lady you got to work your way up to make actionable intelligence. Business is always capitalist being it big 4 big 3 or any consulting business.
Can someone with a masters in accounts or finance get into consulting
yes!!
Amazing vid!
Vanessa Hao thank you!!!
Wait all consultants don’t make millions? Whaaaat?!
Point 3: I work better drunk. Literally, did my grad work throwing down pints at the pub.
Same. Did most of my MBA with IPA's at night
Can I get a entry level management consulting job with a low GPA with an engineering degree? (I graduated from Waterloo with 6 co-ops)
That is so helpful thank you
best of luck thanks !!
thank you!!
very close to reality
skip to the 4min mark to listen to actual content
this culture is so toxic and competitive.
Good video
"You can consult with me about your CV and IG"....hahaha
oops haha im actually awful at IG pls dont hire me for that
It would be really funny to smell other people's breath.
Thats was my case too 😩😩😩