I Hate These Stupid LED Street Lights
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2023
- These garbage LED street lights are starting to appear everywhere recently, replacing the old, reliable, high-quality high pressure sodium lights that have illuminated the streets faithfully for the last several decades. These LED fixtures have many shortcomings which result in inferior illumination, insignificant changes in efficiency, and in some cases, hazardous limited visibility conditions.
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The current LED streetlights are horrible, I see so many dead flickering or purple ones and the ones that do work are super obnoxious at night while you are trying to sleep! Not to mention they create way more light pollution than the old sodium lamps. The only reasonable LEDs are the yellow ones but those are rare.
Thanks for making this video. My city installed these super bright leds and have totally ruined the night here. I used to love driving at night around town, but its just hideous. It’s like trying to avoid looking at a series of welding arcs while driving through town.
We don't have any LED streetlights in our area, but when I visited an area that did, I realized just how much better our area's softer-on-the-eyes high pressure sodium lights are. The LEDs are harsh, blinding, and just plain ugly light.
There was still one other freeway around here that had the sodium lights, I used to use that road specifically at night when going almost anywhere in that direction. It just got changed a month or two ago. Now I avoid it at all costs, it's blinding in good conditions and full of glare in bad ones like rain.
I agree 100%. I absolutely hate them. They've destroyed our street such that I can hardly enjoy going out for an evening walk anymore. I have to wear sunglasses and a brimmed hat. If you are driving and momentarily look up at one you will go temporarily blind. How safe is that? They have no lens to diffuse the light, just a bank of bare LEDs. It also made no sense that in my city it was deemed very important to blow 10 million dollars on they're (very rapid) installation, especially considering there's supposed to be a pandemic underway. I'd wager that their even weaponized. Anyway thanks for this post, I share the same sentiment about those horrid things.
I find I often have to drive with the sun visor down at night, just to shield the harsh glare from these things. The optics, or lack thereof, is one of the huge failure points with them.
If you think wasting 10 million dollars was bad, just wait 3 or 5 years from now when another 10 million has to be spent to replace all the ones that failed... There's no savings to be had when using cheap garbage fixtures.
Yes it is absolutely destroying any ambiance in the city at all at night. You can absolutely forget about going out for a nice evening walk anymore. I saw a post on Kitsilano Neighborhood site about how it will affect the moth population. This will put an imbalance in the ecosystem. Even during the day I can't enjoy walking down the street because when the cars come past the bright LED light is blinding. And there is also the massive amounts of radiation coming off of these lights, both the street lights and the car lights. Driving at night is virtually impossible for me now, I have purchased four different pairs of night driving sunglasses and these LED beams just come right through. This is affecting the population as a whole yet probably 12 people sitting around a table in government made this horrific decision. What I'd like to know is how we can fight this? It's almost like there needs to be a class action lawsuit. Thank you for your input.
@@Pheanixs We need to fight for better quality fixtures that would solve all these problems. Voicing opinions is about all we can do at this point. Unfortunately it takes quite a large number to make anything happen, and I just don't think the number of people interested in this issue is enough for change.
Someone needs to start a class action lawsuit against the government, that might get their attention. In the meantime please take the time to contact City Hall in your area regarding the street lights and the highway department regarding the car lights. Never give up!
We should be writing to the DOT and local government offices to request better quality fixtures both roadside and on the cars.
I agree. My city just replaced all the perfectly working high-pressure sodium Street lights with crappy led street lights that don’t even shine the light like the old hps street lights.
Not good!
New poles? SERIOUSLY? What a waste! The old poles were just fine. Why on earth would they use new poles, let alone INFERIOR poles!
My town is still 90% HPS thankfully, though some LEDs have been slowly creeping in. There is a decently-sized section of my neighborhood that has LED street lights, and it’s actually the exact opposite of your situation. They are mounted two per pole with poles spaced just about every two feet! It’s WAY too bright for a neighborhood! It doesn’t help that they are all 4000K!!! I couldn’t even imagine what life is like for the poor people who have to put up with that much light spilling through their windows every night! I’m sure at least a few may had even enjoyed having the HPS light coming through as a nightlight, but now they have to put up blackout curtains in order to keep the glaring cool white light out of their bedrooms! Thankfully, I live in the part of the neighborhood that is still lit by sparsely-spaced HPS NEMA heads and cobra heads that don’t even shine on the street. It sure isn’t the best street lighting situation, but it sure is better than the LED situation that dozens of unlucky neighbors have to deal with!!!
And of course, there’s the issue of replaceability! The problem with integrating LED light fixtures is that when they burn out, you are forced to replace the whole thing! At the rate that those things fail, that is a huge waste of housing materials that could easily last many decades longer than the LED parts can! I can’t believe anyone could deem that integrated garbage “green.”
They also existed in my city, but in November 2022 they all changed to LED and sky, I can't sleep at night anymore, it's colder than before, I can't tolerate them anymore
The led ones near me turned purple…. ABSOLUTE JUNK
That seems to be a common report.
SHUT IT A**HOLES
leds should be banned!
Cheap garbage fixtures should be.
@@JordanU this explanation might explain why it’s replacing the old lights: Why can’t they replace the bulbs? Or fix the wiring? Well all states replaced the old lights with new ones, why? The light must be malfunctioning or flickering or on all the time or maybe if it’s working just right why replace it? The old light does not require or has a big space of light. Replacing it sounds bad cause the lights nowadays are breaking down.
@@ZacharyHappy366What explanation?
@@JordanU the one I said, where I live we have most of these standing and lanterns
LEDS SHOULDN'T BE BANNED IDIOT
Another problem with LED fixtures as well is that if it goes bad the whole thing must be replaced since it's hard wired to the whole thing while old skool fixtures like the HPS still has the Edison screw with you could just replace the light easier with no struggle. New phase they say...i dont so just cheap era
Creates an awful lot of material waste, seems a bit contradictory to 'saving the planet'...
When I moved to my new neighborhood, they had installed led street lamps but luckily the one in front of my house was not working until one day the night before Halloween. They fixed it, and it ruined all the Halloween decorations and I had to put up blackout curtains to keep the light out.
Not good.
It's really important that you contact city Hall and report this LED light. It is illegal for Bright lights to disturb your home!
Yup, the majority of LED roadway fixtures out there are very cheaply made and have poor quality optics. It’s a no brainer why cities go with a cheaper fixture, where they think we got an inexpensive crap quality fixture that is going to save us millions of $’s over the years in energy costs, it’s a win-win situation!
It’s too bad these cheaply made fixtures are giving LED roadway fixtures a bad rap. A properly designed LED fixture would light a roadway evenly and would not produce so much glare. There are various beam spreads for all roadway fixtures, and the chosen fixtures may be the incorrect type for the pole spacing and height. If these cities specified a warmer color temperature (2700 to 3000K) they would be less annoying. Go back 40 or more years when HPS was replacing MV, everybody hated HPS, but over the years, people just got used to them. LED technology is still in its infancy and just needs to grow up.
Luckily, in my "neighborhood", we still have the old HPS lights. There is one right at the end of my driveway, I think the bulb in it is nearing 10 years old at this point and it still works fine. Gives a nice even orange light to everything. The main road right at the end of the "neighborhood" and the neighborhood across from us has the LED junk, and they are constantly flickering and turning purple, and give a narrow beam of harsh blue light. I worry that they may soon put them in our neighborhood, if that is the case I am disconnecting the damn thing.
At the other house, which is on a main road (pretty much), they put in LED streetlights about 3 years ago, and they kept failing in a variety of ways, now there is a mixture of HPS and LED lights on that road, because when the LEDs crap out, they are putting HPS lights back in their place. I guess they got tired of replacing them every few months.
There's a stupid LED street light at the end of my driveway, but fortunately the way it's positioned doesn't really shine into my property. I'm going to install a few lamp posts at the end of the property to try to drown it out.
That's interesting they put the sodium ones back, probably ran out of budget for replacements.
We also have HPS lights in our entire area and I love them because they are so much easier on the eyes, light up the road better, and seem to last a lot longer than LEDs. The only place that has LEDs nearby is a freeway and those lights have also started flashing off/on or turned purple, and most of the ones that didn't burned out within a year or two.
My city installed LEDs a few years ago. They’ve been relatively problem free and light up the area underneath them just fine, but that’s the issue… underneath them. They are extremely directional units, so instead of throwing the light in a cone shape, it’s like a very narrow rectangle of light. I think they could be improved if the units were almost ‘U’-shaped, so they could throw light in more directions. Other than that, I honestly don’t mind the ones local to me.
I can only imagine how much worse the glare would be if they were arranged to shine out to the sides as such, but that would fix the poor illumination issue. I think some kind of refracting lens like on the old lights is really the best answer.
I burn a 50w HPS with ballast in a table lamp in my living room. I also got a clear rough device Incandescent bulb there too.?they been working fine for many years now. I hate this new world order LED crap that tge sheeple are brainwashed with.
@@JordanUit wouldn't fix anything. It would make people go blind
I have 4500K shining into my hallway rather than on the street and that is very ridiculous!
In my country LED lights are installed since like few years ago
In my city, the LED bulbs are a warm yellow and aren't blindingly bright.
That's how they should be. Unfortunately, that's a rare case.
They should just retrofit the old hps fixtures with warm LED bulbs, and only on broken hps fixtures. Problem solved, way better solution than whatever they are doing now
The American Electric ATBM is probably the best LED streetlight made. they use COB LEDs and they are even available with a refractor! (I would still prefer HPS hands down though)
I agree, I've seen a few areas around here with them and they're satisfactory.
In my zone in honduras almost all of the lights change to led, its so sad, but in my zone, there is still the orange glow that i see all the nights, and in my zone i saw an led light that doesnt work anymore
Not good.
One minor correction at timestamp 6:50
The new poles are most likely 35 foot while the old ones where at least 40 foot. Most highway lighting is set up with 40-50 foot poles. The mast arms where the light fixture is clamped to are from what I've seen around 20'. But that's just a guess.
Thanks for letting me know.
The one thing I hate about LEDs is that they are too bright. I hate it.
That's for one, I favor incandescent Christmas lights over LED Christmas lights because LEDs flicker and it's difficult yet painful to find replacement bulbs.
The LED light bulbs can actually cause interference with wireless receivers like garage door openers and therefore incandescents are highly recommended.
I do agree that the LED headlights are too bright. Sometimes I think that person has their high beams on. It's blinding to those on the opposite side of the road and can cause a major accident.
And LED street lights now taking over and not covering or brightening up the road? Oh, it's supposed to help save the planet. So I guess us humans not being able to see at night while on the road is no longer important. So sad. What a cheap world we live in nowadays.
The only good LED christmas lights are tru tone christmas lights. They are an example of what LED's SHOULD be. They are exactly like incandescent without lots of heat and energy consumption
My neighborhood had their lights changed from high pressure sodium to led around 6 years ago. Only 1 high pressure sodium street light remains on the other side of the neighborhood. Recently I’ve been riding around at night and I’ve noticed that around 90% of the lights I’ve seen are led. That made me quite sad. But, I did see quite a few mercury vapor and high pressure sodium lights on some country roads and a few subdivisions still had high pressure sodium lights.
It's disappointing to me as well. I grew up with the sodium fixtures, the streets just don't feel the same at night anymore without them.
@@JordanUstreets look creepy with satanic led light
@@JordanUdid you know you would actually lose efficiency by doing that garbage to grow light?
The street lights in my town are actual pretty good. They illuminate the roads just as well as the high pressure sodium lights. I need to more videos of them. They are glare free. I believe they’re made by GE or any reputable company. I will stay away from company’s that are unreliable. However, I still prefer those high pressure sodium lights, metal halide, mercury vapor, and low pressure sodium street lights because I find them more interesting than those LED fixtures. I love seeing those good old lights turning on and casting unique colors compared to those LED street lights. LEDs are good as long as they’re designed properly. I can see the sky with those LED street lights that are illuminating my town. LEDs can last if they have proper heating dissipation. It’s likely those construction works order crappy street lights from China. For example, Detroit bought crappy Leotek street lights that were imported from China.
LED can be good, if designed properly. Unfortunately the majority of fixtures are not.
I hate the LEDs with a living Passion they need to be banned because the cheep ones are stupid LED street lights
LED is not intrinsically an issue, it's the cheap garbage fixtures that are being installed.
I hate led I want old street light back
I wouldn't mind them if they were built properly, worked well, and lasted a while. Unfortunately, none of those things are the case.
It really is amazing that these things were approved to be put up on public roads, you would think there would be some sort of regulation on the quality of fixtures installed… It really is not hard to make a LED fixture that properly diffuses and disperses the light.
One would think, in applications like this, that the fixtures would need to be of a certain degree of quality and reliability. I guess not. I suspect the change is probably largely being pushed by the greedy power companies.
@@JordanU yep, money is obviously taking precedence, as it always seems to these days..
I absolutely agree. I HATE having to see through them every night. It's like starring into the sun with these harsh blueish white color... They are even worse on the Highway/Interstate. As a kid i grew up with 99% HPS Streetlights but luckily where I live, there are still several HPS Streetlights still kicking.
FDOT has recently Added new HPS street lights to Florida turnpike And FDOT has also added some new HPS lighting on Traffic light poles But i saw they Added LED lighting to I-94 In wisconsin and The Chesapeake Bay bridge in maryland Because of the project of removing Toll plazas and Switching to toll by plate Or Ez-pass
Thanks for letting me know.
LED lights don't even last as long as the older sodium lights do. I don't know why they would do this because they will just have to keep buying the lights to replace them once they go out.
The strobing from the LED lights are hell. I bet the street lights have increased the likelihood of more car accidents.
It's done because of corporate greed.
Same with bulbs. I've had incandescent bulbs outlive most of my led bulbs
I too hate those damn LED street lights with a passion, where I live, the city installed them new LED street lights in my neighborhood, and the lights are so obnoxious they shined straight into my room when I had light filtering blinds, I had to install the room darkening faux wood blinds in my bedroom and that barely helped, so I had to cut out a piece of cardboard to put behind the blinds to cover up the window, which that is a problem I never had with the old high pressure sodium lights. I HATE LED STREET LIGHTS! I HATE THEM I HATE THEM I HATE THEM!!!
The old sodium fixtures were better quality and had proper light distribution control. The LED ones do not and create a lot of light pollution around the roads.
LED LIGHTS ARE FINE NOW SHUT UP A**HOLES
DONT HATE THE LEDS A**HOLE THEY WORK FINE IN MY CITY NOW SHUT THE F**K UP YOU F**KING A**HOLE
In Finland in the towns the bluish mercury vapour lamps were used mostly untill 2010. And in motorways low pressure sodium lamps.
Then they replaced these lanterns to new high pressure sodium lamps in a panic hearing that EU would ban mercury vapour lamps in 2016. Now those 10 years old h.p.s. lanterns are going to garbage.
Neighbour town on west replaced 2018 installed lanterns recently to leds. What a waste! And they installed those sodium lamps while undergrounding and changing poles. Before that there was 2010 Phillips mantas (h.p.s) in wood poles that replaced 90's lanterns that replaced one day 1975 lanterns that replaced 1960 lanterns. In the town east side there is still 1960 Siemens in wood poles. Only the bulb changed to led in some because the storage of mercury vapours is going end soon.
That really is such a waste. At most, retrofit ballast-bypass LED bulbs should just be screwed into the existing fixtures as they burn out.
The same story here in Romania.We had Philips Malaga, Mira Vtp, Delfin 1 and 5 models, and the old Elba models from the communist era
Hey Jordan. Thanks for sharing your frustration with these lights, same goes for everyone in the comments. I feel saner knowing I'm not the only one who hates these things. I've started going for walks during the day now because of this, but I still miss the night life and feel like a part of me died with the transition to these new lights. Call it a conspiracy theory, but I feel like this is another social conditioning trend of pushing this as another "new normal", loke tablet phones, TV streaming, etc.
"It saves money", brighter led headlights and brighter streets to keep us safe from getting hit by cars at night and keeping criminals indoors, etc. etc. Same talking points I've seen in every news article I've read when making the switch. Companies must've picked up on the latter part of what I listed because businesses look like prison court yard spotlights they're so blinding and in your face. I wonder if we'll ever go back to the orange sodium lights in the future or if this is here to stay. I've had dreams of getting emotional over the sodium lights being put back it's been that stressful to me. lol Crazy huh.
I find it hard to believe it's saving any money when these fixtures consistently fail after a few years and need a full replacement. I would be ecstatic if the warmer colored street lights could return, but it's unlikely to happen unless more people complain.
I've never seen LEDs turn purple before. They're either flickering or completely dead when I see them. I feel like they were designed to break after some time because companies such as Satco need to stay in business.
I've only seen 1 or 2 turn purple around here, but plenty of them flash.
It must be certain brands. We had so many of them turning purple around here that the power company was putting up posters with a number to call and report purple street lights.
@@JordanU
I seen far too many end up strobing, and don't get me started on LED area lights,
I really just hate the led streetlights because the designs are just trash. The sodiums were better looking and cool
I agree. LED could have been good if executed properly.
What cities fail to understand, HPS is brighter and still looks amazing, and the whole led street light would need to be replaced instead of just a new bulb.
When the lights fail in my neighborhood, the entire fixture is replaced. Should have just put in retrofit LED bulbs as needed, would have been far more cost effective.
@@JordanU absolutely
Its sad to see high pressure sodium getting replaced all i remember when i was little was the hps glow and it was comforting leds are not there garbage
I agree.
One thing I don’t get normally they just replace the streetlight not the whole pole. Why???
Because it's all about making money. Selling a new pole makes more profit.
Glad to see I’m not the only one who understands this
I think there are a lot of people that feel this way.
Let me just say something right now. LED streetlights are a huge HUGE piece of junk. I want the HPS streetlights back.
I want the old HPS ones back as well.
Mercury vapor is good aswell.
The GE current LED street lights are the worst when it comes to glare, ELRC Models are starting to creep into my neighborhood, And I hate them, One of them in front of my house shines right into our windows As well as our Backyard at night.
My neighborhood uses Cooper branded fixtures, and the light pollution is awful. The one outside my house shines on the neighbor's house more than the road. I couldn't imagine living like that.
i agree same here in the uk but we still have sox lit roads blessing us!
SOX is really nice. There's only one place I know of around here that still has them, and it's a very short stretch of road under a bridge.
I find that most munipalities are replacing them almost solely because "[led streetlights] save x amount of money annually!". They might also loosely mention better light quality or whatever, but that's meaningless in reality when their gonna fail in a very short time period of time and might as well cost as much money to run as high-pressure sodium streetlights in the long run if you think about it.
I find it very hard to believe that the LED fixtures will last anywhere near long enough for whatever minute energy savings there is, if any, to recoup the cost of purchasing the new fixtures, their installation, and removal and disposal of the old ones. What a waste of equipment and material.
High Pressure Sodium lights were close to immortal, I never seen a single one get touched by the workers, UNTIL THE CITY REPLACED THE LIGHTS WITH LED!!!
These are decent fixtures mine in new york are bright though
I have a lot to Learn on both ends HPS & LED. I definitely prefer HPS & collect them still need to learn on how to wire them. Definitely first will be the Holophane HMST. Same if LED Had the same design as MV, MH,HPS I wouldn’t have an issue with it
I wouldn't have an issue with LED either if, and only if, it was designed and executed properly. Unfortunately it seldom is.
I have 4500K shining into my hallway rather than on the street and that is very ridiculous!
The amount of light pollution in all different directions from these cheesy LED fixtures is totally unacceptable.
My issue is with all this and circadian rhythm issues. Sleeping in proximity to LEDs with their near-daylight spectrum light is fatiguing and interrupts the sleep-wake cycle. The broad-spectrum light contributes more to the already severe light pollution issue. At least low-spectrum SV lighting doesn't carry for miles. SV is the choice for communities in proximity to astronomical telescopes for their low-light pollution.
I couldn't imagine trying to function in a house with bedrooms facing the street where one of these lights resides. The amount of light pollution these LED fixtures throw in all different directions is absurd.
In Romania, in my city, LED lamps were installed in November 2022 and since then I can't sleep anymore, the city shines brighter,I want the sodium lamps I'm used to
Not good.
YES IT IS GOOD NOW SHUT THE F**K UP
On God thought about this again the other day
I've noticed them flickering, and some not even being on as well...
Not good.
favorite bit : 6:06, just the way you phrased it. "onto the curb.. and... the...grass." yeahhhh, riiiight okay, wow.
favorite bit N.o 2 : 6:13. "my name is Jordan and your a computer". LOL
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I agree with you 100%. I have been doing my due diligence trying to get people to contact city hall or report to the Highway department how terrible and dangerous these lights are. They are destroying the peace and tranquility causing so much stress that we do not need in a big city. The car LED headlights are absolutely blinding! I can't believe with all the complaints that they are going ahead with this. They have been using halogen lights for with absolutely no problem. They need to reverse this decision.
As someone who works on streetlights, I can definitely say, An LED fixture is cheaper and thats probably why they are doing it. A new fixture will cost my city $800 (400W HPS). A ballast change is $80 and a ballast typically last nowadays a year or two. Same with the bulbs. You can google an LED fixture for streetlights and they are typically 200-300$ maybe a little more but still. Not $800
@@x91s55 How long do you find the LED fixtures last? The failure rate is very high in my neighborhood, using Cooper Lighting 30 watt units installed around 2018.
@@JordanU In my city, any residential lights are typically owned and repaired by the energy company. But the light outside my house, which we gave them that light. Has been going strong for easily 7 years or more years. On Monday Ill lyk what type of LED fixture that is and the exact date if It still written down. But the actual city owned street lights are different. We easily have over 4000 streetlights in our city and we have to fix 20-30 each week.
The city also tower lights and it ranges from 4 - 6 on a pole and its a 1000 HPS. Each bulb is around $40-50, and the city gets billed $1200 each month. In some areas it cost them upto $2000 a month. (Energy cost) If they switch to LED, (Said from our city guy) Its essentially free for them. Probably the biggest driving factor to switch to LED.
@@x91s55 The power companies must be fudging the numbers regarding the electricity consumption. There's no way it's that much cheaper to operate the LED fixtures. The efficiency range of the cheap ones intersect with that of HPS.
unfortunately my city is on an led crack, harsh white led light lights up literally every corner of pueblo co, fortunately a lot of privately owned lights still use hid like hps nema head lights, mv power brackets,and some mv street lights remain in businesses and residential areas. on i25 and us 50 some 400w hps holophane mongooses still shine brightly, sometimes its nice being in the countryside part where these leds dont shine at all except some scattered hps nemas :)
Unfortunately so many areas are now.
Personally, I like the yellow/orange glow of the half-century old *mercury* lights we have in Chicago, Cicero and Berwyn, Illinois, over the white sodium lights in some of the surrounding towns, as my night vision is terrible, and for some reason I see better in yellow/orange light than I do in white light (which is also why I have yellow-tinted driving grasses). Now these LED street lights are absolute *GARBAGE!*
The amber ones are sodium, the mercury vapor ones have a greenish white light to them. I too find the amber light easier to see in and have a harder time driving at night now than I used to,
Yea I love the older streetlights
My city mostly changed to LED streetlights, but there are some streetlights that still have the old light fixtures with the yellow color, but the city now changed those bulbs to LED cool white and they are much brighter than the new flat LED streetlights they’ve installed. I wish that they would have kept the old style streetlights and just changed all the yellow bulbs to bright white LED. I think with the old lense it makes a huge difference with the way the light faces, and that’s what other cities should have done! And with those old fixtures it’s so much easier to replace the yellow bulb to LED to make the city more modern and brighter, but with those new LED fixtures, you probably have to replace the whole thing! 🤦♂️
LED retrofit bulbs (which are cost-effective and readily available) should have been installed into the existing fixtures, as the old HPS bulbs burned out. To replace the entire pole, head, and wiring is such a waste of time, materials, resources, and tax payer dollars. The old fixtures had far superior optics and distributed the light properly. These new fixtures have 0 optics to them, cast light all over the place where it's not needed or wanted, have a horrible glare, and require the entire thing to be replaced when it fails, which happens all the time. The current situation with these street lights is absolutely ridiculous.
I hate that almost all lights in my neighborhood are now LEDs. I remember when there was a Mercury Vapor NEMA fixture outside my driveway and I can’t forget it. That buzz. It was replaced by an LED and that LED dosent impress me. The only old street lights still in my neighborhood are a GE M400, some Hubbell RMCs, and some NEMAs with LEDs in them.
I don't recall a lot of mercury vapor around here, but I definitely remember when everything was still sodium. I greatly preferred it. The fixtures were far more reliable and the illumination was superior.
The LED light fixtures near me are all mostly purple. They are garbage 🗑 1000% agree with every word you said!!!
THEY ARE NOT GARBAGE LEDS ARE FINE I DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE THIS IS TOTAL BULL SH*T
Jordan, who installs and maintains these street lights in your area? The City Council or some other local municipality? Well, have you voiced your disgust with these lights to whomever is in charge of making these decisions? If the citizens speak up and make their feelings known (just like you've done in this video) then they should listen to that, and you might effect change!
I believe it is the greedy power companies. I've looked into it before, any requests involving street lights are well over 1,000 dollars to execute.
I live in Argentina and it is similar in buenos aires but even brighter. I have to use sunglasses at night, I can't even enjoy a normal walk in the evening anymore.
In my house all I have is warm light. It is destroying my mental health these white leds
I have to wear a brimmed hat when I go out at night, and sometimes use the sun visor in the car under certain lights. It's outrageous.
Led street light in my place are mostly retrofit, its just an led bulb thats yanked inside an old fixture, its not that bright and im assuming its 50 to 40 watt, they do not turn purple or flicker as most people say, the one that failed just simply dimmed
That's the way it should be.
@@JordanU unfortunately they have the same disease as other led, premature failure, i have recently found 3 that failed in the past week
@@JordanU i think that induction lamp or traditional fluorescent lamp should be used for street lighting, it doesn't fail unexpectedly, it has high efficiency compared to other traditional HID lamp but less than LED, fairly long lifespan, and you dont have to throw the whole fixture away when it fails, just replace the bulb or the ballast
@@GERALD_786 Or mercury vapor. Although there are probably gonna be some weirdos who claim the mercury in them is somehow harmful to people outside
@@warp36 mercury vapor lamps are way too inefficient in today's standard, most if not all fluorescent tube nowadays has better efficiency
i have a Schreder streetlight
Model Reference: VZ3S its a low pressure sodium lamp inside got it when they were replacing them in my street for LEDs
I wish I could have gotten some of the fixtures that used to be on my street.
In my city about 90% have been changed, I drive at night frequently and they give me a headache and fatigue, I cant stand them
Same here. I've noticed the remaining ones around here are rapidly disappearing as of the last month or two, including now those on business properties. Quite a shame. Between the glare from these and LED headlights on cars, I've really started to dread driving at night. Sometimes it's so bad I'll put the sun visor down to keep the glare out of my eyes. Can hardly see at all when there's other vehicles behind or in the opposite direction, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
There is an hps light dying by my grandmas house and I’m worried because there are 2 things that could either happen, one is that they will actually replace the bulb or two is that they will replace the fixture so I’ve have kept quiet about that, tbfh I’d rather have a dying hps bulb than have an led street light
Sadly it will probably be replaced if it's owned by the power company.
@@JordanU it wasn’t replaced, the bulb was replaced about 4 weeks ago and it already started cycling after 2 weeks, either the ballast has gotten so bad causing it to cycle or they may have put a 70 watt bulb in it, it’s a 150 watt fixture
The lights on my street were replaced with LED a few years ago and they suck.
Not good.
It is totally dangerous people With Epilepsy 1:26
It is.
I think everyone does, these things are horrendous
Thanks for letting me know.
I 💯 agree with everything your saying and complaints about the LED street light. Me personally I don't have a problem with LED lamps in of themselves, i personally use LED all around my house with the exception of my refrigerator/oven lamp, my 14.5/16.3/ 27 inch lava lamps which use a 25, 40 and 100 watt incandescent respectively. And I have a 250 watt heat lamp in the bathroom on a 60 minute timer switch (very cozy stepping out of the shower on a cold day😊) and a 150 watt metal halide floodlight in my backyard that a previous owner had installed, which I don't turn on very often and is used for no more than a couple hours at a time when I need some extra light outside. If they'd given more thought into the design of LED street lights including the beam spread, color temperature, such as 2000-2100K to mimic an HPS lamp, to no higher than 3500-4000K, mimicking a metal halide I'd have no problem with them replacing the HPS (or metal halide) streetlights that we've known and loved for decades.
Since thermal management is a bigger problem with higher output LED lighting and shortens their life significantly, an adequate cooling system is a must, and I think many cheaper LED lamps are driven very hard to give the most light per watt at the lowest possible cost while sacrificing quality and life expectancy , sort of like a photoflood incandescent.
All excellent points. The failure of LED lighting is not intrinsically the diodes themselves, but rather poor design and lousy quality fixtures.
I agree 100% LEDs are trash. If they're going to use LEDs, then use Amber LEDs such as PC Amber ( Phospher Converted Amber) Or NBA ( Narrow Band Amber) as the choice ror LEDs then they wouldn't be a problem. Thats what Flagstaff AZ did when the transitioned to LEDs
LED itself isn't intrinsically trash, it's these poorly design, garbage fixtures being installed. The coloring and optics is awful.
@@JordanU They should be using Amber LEDs they're Darksky compliant as per the international dark sky compliant system that we're trying to implement. Some cities have adopted it. Amber LEDs would greatly reduce light pollution.
So im not the only,person that doesnt notice how bright these new street are,the,ve been here in the bay area since 02013,thpey make my heart pump fast and there hotter than thpe originpal yellow one,i can feel a burning sensation that i dint feel from the original yellow warm one,we need to build a community to get rid of this unhealthy lighting,these lights are blinding and not calm
we need to start a campaign against these cheap led fixtures. They seriously need more regulation and definitely need refractors on them
If there was enough outrage, something would change. Unfortunately, there seems to be a severe lack of commentary on this topic.
Good evening Jordan. My name is Mike but I go by the name Big Black Scary Mikester (a pun on a fictional creature from an early episode of South Park called Big Black Scary Monster) and I found this video after watching a similar one revolving around this issue.
I live in the Chicago area and I can tell you right now, the exact same thing is happening to the Eden’s Expressway right now. The old sodium lights are still there but now these new LED fixtures are literally right next to them and where they aren’t installed yet, I see the stumps on the shoulders.
Just last week, I drove on this freeway and the lights were actually on and they are AWFUL! I feel such a sick feeling knowing that the homely light is on the verge of being replaced with dystopian glaring blue-white LED fixtures. I now plan on avoiding this freeway now at night. They feel like arc welding torches right above my head.
Why do we allow this to keep happening? These lights do a terrible job illuminating the streets and the glare is absolutely awful, even for my 41 year old eyes! Why are they not covered by frosted lenses and why isn’t there any glare control being implemented?
These lights do damage not just to the nighttime environment but the bright blue white light is known to damage the retina, even in younger people. These are the same lights that blast out from oncoming car headlights and blind you.
Seriously, there needs to be some sort of investigation and even a class action lawsuit brought against the lighting industry and engineering firms for allowing the proliferation of this awful horrible light into our nighttime environment.
One doesn’t have to be even remotely an environmentalist to understand how awful and dangerous this lighting is for both our physical and psychological health.
Physically, it assaults the eyes and makes it very hazardous to drive at night, even for young people. It disrupts melatonin production as the blue white light imitates daylight and tricks the brain into thinking it’s daytime and it results in poor quality sleep and a myriad of subsequent health problems down the road.
Psychologically, this lighting also creates a very hostile and unwelcoming environment that is distressing and makes one feel like they’re wandering through a high security military facility or a prison yard. That and/or a dystopian sci-fi environment and it could lead to depression, anxiety, and it has even been suggested that harsh blue white LED lighting can even lead to increased anti social behavior.
I mean, if you take a nighttime environment, urban, suburban, or rural, and you blast it with lighting that is brighter and colder than police helicopter searchlights, you can expect decreasing mental wellbeing. I already avoid neighborhoods lit this way and I’m running out of areas to enjoy walking in. I hate it and wish there was some way to reverse this.
I feel sad knowing that upcoming generations of kids and young adults will only know harsh white lighting when going outside at night. They may never know how romantic nights actually are and can be again.
I see these horrible glaring lights on private businesses and they are absolutely horrific and they blast into nearby homes similar to police searchlights.
There needs to be something done to reverse this horrible trend and to create a market for nicer romantic lighting to be restored in our society again. Ive actually seen LED light fixtures and lights that believe it or not, are actually very nice and would be excellent replacements for HPS lights in urban and rural areas. We need to somehow get these kinds of lights introduced and to displace the awful harsh white lights from our society and get these bright blue white lights BANNED from outdoor settings, outside of specific temporary purposes such as outdoor concerts, sporting events, emergency searches/evacuation situations, and construction zones.
How is this harsh white lighting environmentally friendly, when it lights everything to look like a security yard in a bad outtake of a Halo video game or a hostile police search? How is harsh white light even remotely good for anything at all?
Good luck to all trying to change this. We desperately need some positive news soon. I’m already tired of these awful lights every time I go out the door.
I agree with you, these lights are awful in many ways. Write to your local municipality to express your dissatisfaction. That's about all we can do for now.
@@JordanU Unfortunately, I tried doing that to my local council and they said the white LED streetlights are much safer and good for CCTV recognition, apparently. I don’t feel comfortable going out at night under these white LED streetlights and I certainly don’t enjoy going on drives underneath them. I even explained that the white LED streetlights can block melatonin production and the environmental impacts they have, but they simply don’t care.
@@thelightingenthusiast There's no concern because the number of complaints is very small. You're probably the only person to write in your area, and I'm probably the only person to write in my area. If the municipality were to receive thousands of complaints every month, perhaps something would be done about it.
@@JordanU as of this writing, the proliferation of this has accelerated gotten way out of control everywhere.
I swear, it’s like our DOTS (Departments of Transportation) are getting rid of HPS lights faster than a cleanup crew would try to clean up nuclear fallout from an accident scene. It’s like they’re treating HPS lighting like they’re the most toxic waste imaginable.
YES, HPS contains mercury, yes they are based on very old technology but LEDs themselves also contain equally nasty toxic materials as well. YES they have limited lifespan though still far better than lousy incandescent bulbs but why should we be subjected to such glaring assault on our eyes?
How are we supposed to pay attention to the road in front of us, when our eyes are being assaulted (or at least annoyed) by such glaring light? How are we making our roads safer when oncoming headlights blast such dangerous blue-white light right in our faces? To add insult to injury, these same LED-car headlights’ blue-white glaring light is irritating and even dangerous DURING THE DAY!
That’s right, I’ve had times where even with sunlight overhead, which requires the usual precautions, these awful car headlights have such obnoxious, dangerous glare that they still bother me, during the fucking daytime!
Seriously, there needs to be some kind of pushback against this kind of dangerous harsh blue white lighting in our society. This is the same kind of lighting that is suitable for helicopter searchlights during police pursuits, or emergency rescue operations at night.
Businesses that have this kind of ultrabright blue white LED lighting need to be fined if they don’t remove it, or even better, given extra incentives to change them to warmer, softer lighting.
Not to derail the subject, but I for one am NOT someone who buys into the bullshit idea that these lights are 5G weapons, or something used to see who’s vaccinated or being tracked. These conspiracy idiots undermine any legit efforts to call out this LED trend and make us look like demented lunatics, rather than legit people who want better LED lighting installed in our neighborhoods.
There is a website called CASL which is The Campaign for Amber Streetlights and also the International Dark Skies Association.
For now, I just wanted to update you on recent developments I’ve witnessed. It’s like these lighting ‘engineers’ are literally changing HPS to LED faster than a hazmat crew trying to clean up nuclear fallout. It’s just unbelievable.
I saw a lots of LED street lights outside everywhere
OK.......
They shouldve replaced the hps street light with the led street light on the truss arm and not on the other
Nothing should have been done beyond replacing the bulb with an LED retrofit. Everything else done here was a waste of resources.
I agree with everything word you said
Thanks for letting me know.
I don’t like them but the fact is that’s what the industry is going toward. It’s been in the works for decades that LED was going to take over once the technology was bright enough.
There’s nothing that can be done about it and I’m not going to waste my time complaining about it anymore.
I think it's still worth fighting for better fixtures. If the LED equipment was executed properly, there would be nothing wrong with it.
@@JordanU yeah I definitely agree on that. The fixtures should have a standard they’re made to and be repairable, like fixtures in the past. I think what it comes down to is the Omni directionality of LEDs vs other light technologies, and unfortunately the throwaway society we live in today.
I can’t say this entirely is a new thing, as I’m sure early on HID fixtures would have components replaced in the field or in a shop to be reused, whereas in recent decades the entire fixture would be replaced instead.
Some people are starting to notice our complaints
Also I hate the fact that when we (sometimes) respect people’s choices with led they can’t respect ours and go above and beyond to ban what they don’t like to force their opinions on others/us not allowing us to enjoy our preferences
@@BRISTOLFORCE2009 Really?
My electrical company still puts up HPS sometimes to replace others light sources, but they mostly put up garbage leds.
Not good.
LED LIGHTS ARE GOOD SO SHUT THE F**K UP
In my city led is better than old sodium because led is amber color same sodium
Thanks for letting me know.
6:19 I love The part that Ricky calls you and every time when I laugh when you say yeah my is Jordan your a computer If a scammer call me I would say yeah I know my name is Gabriel and you are an iPhone
I don't understand.
There are 3 that replaced fluorescent lights right outside my neighborhood and I’m already fucking pissed
Woah dude chill out
I’m fine
I wouldn’t mind LED street lighting if the lanterns weren’t poorly designed and had good optical control with minimised glare. Sadly, most councils go for the quantity over quality approach and opt for the cheapest LED lanterns available at the time. Also, I’m really not a huge fan of the 4000K colour temperature that is widespread throughout the UK, they give the roads a cold and uninviting appearance, not to mention the environmental impacts they have. I would’ve preferred it if they opted for 3000K or even 2700K instead. This is why I prefer SOX, HPS and CMH for street lighting.
I agree. LED street lights could be completely satisfactory if designed properly, but they just aren't.
@@JordanUthere are actually led thats designed properly, like philips brp372, those are built like tank and cost like a tank, replaced since 2015 and still going strong, the problem that most led street light have is that they are poorly designed, cheap driver that melts itself after 5 minutes of use
4000k is chosen to improve visibility, huge difference in visibility
Everything is this video is automatically correct.
What makes it automatically correct?
Led will never beat hps nema and cobra heads, the glare is horrible in led, near my house there is a led floodlight that from a far distance, can blind you with a horrible glare
Many of my neighbors have LED lights on their houses. The lights can be seen from down the street, yet when you get up to the house, the yard is barely visible. The fixtures are just junk.
In my Philippines, I hate also too.... I wanna back
Not good.
Can we also include the ceramic metal halide lamps too
Most metal halide fixtures are much better quality than the LED ones we have today and don't suffer from the same problems.
@JordanU why don't they make led streetlights using a BULB an not build it in the driver it's a waist of money and also why won't they make led streetlights that mimic the high pressure sodium and ceramic metal halide bulb...they also need to make led filament light bulbs that you can put in enclosure fixtures...what can we do now?
@@cavariusavery6637 It's a cost and greed issue. The fixtures with the integrated diodes on a circuit board are much cheaper than fixtures with proper optics or a modular design with replaceable components.
@JordanU Okay...I fid some research this morning and found out companies are releasing led filament glass light bulbs (HID/HPS/CMH Style) I believe they just came out and it would be a great idea if I owned a company that would redesign all streetlights old skool style like back in the day make them built to last and recreate ballast and luminaries make light bulbs warm white and make some amber orange...I know I would be a tough decision but I came up with this idea after I seen some streetlights being replaced with the new modern style...I will take time tho I have great ideas
@JordanU on top of that new streetlights won't last unless it's built to the highest quality and can they be solar powered too?
The new leds are a complete joke your telling me my tax dollars went to an “upgrade” when it fails u have to replace the whole damn thing compared to hid fixtures the bulb goes out replace the bulb instead of sitting there with a broken led that didn’t do shit from the start this is BS
I can't see the road as well anymore, so I feel like my tax dollars were wasted.
@@JordanU they are wasted
wow I agreed also the new arms looks like Wisconsin arms (my state) and "your a computer" got me LOL XD
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Will also be used to track you.....
I miss the yellow street lights
A lot of us do.
They will never come back
@@ryleighwilson1881 they're actually orange
There yellow in my area💯
Atleast there’s orange in Africa still
Finally someone who agrees with me, as I grew up, I always saw the old street lights, now there all led, and it doesn’t feel right for them to be there
I tend to think there's a lot of people who feel the same way, but not many voice the opinion for whatever reason.
@@JordanU Yep, I agree too. Our area doesn't has HPS streetlights and they are so much better than LEDs.
And also the blue lighting from it is not good for your sleep
True.
GE M250R2 250 watt HPS streetlights VS no name brand ??? watt LED streetlights.
I think it's safe to say the GE M250R2 units win.
I agree but I got used to them
I cannot.
@@JordanUI don’t like them either I miss the old ones but what can we do life isn’t fair
I don’t hate LED street lights. I just hate the chintzy ones that cities are putting in and the color temperature is disruptive to circadian rhythm and impairs night vision. I’d much rather have cities put in high quality LED retrofit bulbs than poor quality LED street light fixtures.
Good quality LED retrofit bulbs would make a lot more sense and be far more consistent with ecology claims.
@@JordanU I want them to emit the same orangey white color as HPS lights or at least 2700K warm white.
My city LED Road installed on 2020 march so i hate the LED Light they upgraded to LED Light so i hate this led please downgraded on lamp
That doesn't make sense.
the whole country has it now
New Jersey is like 80% high pressure sodium, well at least south jersey
I've been to New Jersey in recent times, the majority of the street lights there are still HPS.
LED street lights would be ok if only they spent the time and money to correct them. I would still prefer high pressure sodium though. What I really don't like is the LED headlights they're putting on these newer cars.
The lights on the cars are very dangerous. They are blinding to other drivers on the road.
I agree. Every morning I go to work when it's dark out on a two line road, it is hard to see 5 feet in front of me every time a car goes by because of these blinding LED headlights. Of course when a car goes by with halogen headlights it's not too bad.@@JordanU
No, LEDs are visible for drivers. need LEDs warm street light
That doesn't make sense.
This man is speaking facts
I agree.
They kill goldfish, plants, etc
As much as I hate them, I find that very difficult to believe.
You know what F*ck LED street lights
I hate LED period! I am stockpiling fluorescent tubes and fittiings hear in the u.k. Since the government banned them hear. Where i live is now very dark on the street because the LED lighting keeps failing!
I hate it as well, and I too have been stocking the older types of lights while I still can. I have a lifetime supply of incandescent for indoors. Many of these LED street lights have failed around here, but at least the local utility company is pretty good about responding to reports of broken units and replacing.
One time at 12 pm i saw led lights that were blinking a lot in a road
OK
Why would they put those new poles that are inferior to the old ones? They are much shorter, and have those garbage LED fixtures? Such a waste of time and money. Ridiculous
Corporate greed.
Sreet Light LED is better and HPS is better to bc i love LED and HPS
That's illogical.
Why is everybody hating LEDs street lights?
Because there are serious quality control issues with the fixtures being installed and it has very negative effects on the experience of being outside at night.
i personally hate them cus they are too bright i miss the old yellow glow instead of discord light theme lights
I don’t like it either when I was young I was irritated and uncomfortable to look at it I was miserable and I missed the orange ones I was irritated why do you keep putting on blue light instead of orange there’s enough blue light it’s purple ones with orange why do you need to add more led lights it’s werid but after years I got used to it I realized it’s white not blue
I hate leds
Me too.