Raven is a massive part of their success. Easily the most important theory-crafter in apex history. When he came in TSM was going downhill fast and he literally turned everything around for them.
SAF didn’t third party that fight because they had godspot at the given time. Also, if they were to drop, they most likely would have gotten one clipped because Evan was watching the drop as soon as the fight finished. Fall fatigue makes them an easy target. No horizon in their comp. Their plan was to valk ult into zone. A lot went into them not thirding that fight
Overall if you look back on it they 100% should’ve taken that fight. On the Apex pod, Enoch, fin Wyatt and j hawk went over the whole vods and all came to a conclusion that it was 100% the call. That or they should’ve thirded when tsm fought Blackhand
I would say that they didn't understand where the next god spot would be hence why they wanted the building over the hill since theoretically that would have more cover. also they were playing incredibly timid not wanting to risk things as they were in like 14th place and thought playing passively would allow for more points. but yeah they should have 100% thirded the fight for TSM vs Blackhand, understandable why they didn't third the fight vs dojo as they had 1 player watching their backs nowhere close to the duo so they would have dropped as a duo and solo compared to all 3.
Also they got full damaged form Timmy's Bang Ult, on the top with no cover, you can see they're still healing when TSM already wiped DOJO. I think people miss this point. At Blackhand fight, they should 3rd them, but nevetheless, their choich to go building got them lots of supply for the last 3v3 fight, I don't think it's actually a bad play.
This is internet and I can’t proof shit but after the first win i said to my friends on Discord don’t be surprised if they win 3 in a row now. It was just hanging in the air and we know they can do it if everything connects
The time SAF should've won was when they valk ulted, they planned to go third party blackhand fighting tsm, which probably would've won them the game, but one of their teammates fell out of the valk ult and landed near the building, so they just had to follow where he landed, that valk ult lost them the game, they could've just cleaned up tsm after they killed backhand but they choked the valk ult
Im so fcking glad for CEO and Co. First i wanted to Dojo makes the Lan, cuz Timmy, pubstomper, streamer not even a pro blowing up pro scene at the first try and take the championship?! It will be history. But, when CEO made it i also 🎉🎉🎉🎉
SAF didn't third party the TSM vs DOJO fight because they didn't wanna throw their game by leaving god spot. They could've been dead later, after third partying TSM. Hence, they stayed alive till the end by not leaving the spot to third party. Either way they had a 3v3 with TSM and lost so.
SAF was ablz to easily one shot one or two dojo members from above they were literally aiming sight on their heads and they didnt shoot a single bullet
They indeed shot dojo. Look at Dezign pov the moment he was about to die, he got shot from above. SAF only had clear view when he stepped out of cave. The whole surface where Timmy was standing before getting downed wasn’t in their view so they didn’t shoot
@@any_one_elseyea but why would they shoot before Enemy got knocked? They get nothing out of it because then Dojo maybe backs up and there’s now one less spot in the map they can possibly play in
@@frank10pez94 free kp for a team who still dnt have 50 and dojo got nowhere to go there backks up to where either they collapse on tsm in the tunnel and die hold outside main building and get harassed by SAF and TSM or contest inside where all posts is taken they were dead for SAF all possibilities are good for them of course tsm and dojo kill each other and they jump down is the best play but when the fight happened only two were above as the last one was holding near the big door up and there was only one knock from tsm and mostly if the two jumped on them without a third they will get insta beemed anyway SAF wanted a big prey than one or two kp points but they failed to get either
whoever the 2 squads fighting they could have stopped and aim for TSM but having zero IQ's they did opt to fight for each other.. it should be an unwritten rules in cases and situations like this.
i see, so dumb of me, i thought they have a way of knowing like mentally keeping tabs of people that got killed and squads that got wiped out.@@ghostmania.
The vast majority of the people who think SAF should have 3rd partied the Dojo fight are TSM haters because it was the most obvious situation they could've have been killed, but SAF never drops down as a wattson/valk team in that situation even if they knew who it was. They'd be throwing away their only chance to valk ult and from ultimate height, they'd be potentially letting a team hiding lower command center to pinch them, and they'd be forced to walk in like TSM did except without Cat and Horizon ults. Also, it was game #8 of finals and too many teams were on MP for SAF not to be playing for a win to force more games.
@@pepe_dc7780 it would've been a 2v2 with SAF's third coming late, they were split holding up top which is why they couldn't capitalize in time to third, TSM would've had a full reset by the time that SAF were in a position to drop as a full 3. Arguably the fight SAF should've third partied was when TSM took the north side of zone vs Blackhand, SAF were hovering above in valk ult at the time of that fight starting, so it would've been a good third party, but valk ult decisions like that are hindsight when you look back after the game is over
I was at the event and honestly they were so annoying. That Vicky girl just speaks and doesn’t actually say anything. At one point she said TSM were using the energy of the crowd to bunker down a building like what the fuck are you actually talking about
Both girls say the absolute dumbest things in the broadcast; sounding like Bill Walton in college basketball. The two dudes in the final game are usually good but they were just stretching some "deep meaning" stuff that was stupid. @@jiqzur9549
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I honestly believe Raven is a huge part of their success at this point.
I mean sure he helps, but don't forget they won lans without him. CEO is TSM
@@ortega9156you're literally disagreeing with the guy you're praising if you think raven didn't make a huge difference
Raven basically said that this finals was all Hal and the boys, shit actually didn’t go as planned
@@phresy Same with you then since raven said and I quote "I didn't even do anything, it was all them"
Raven is a massive part of their success. Easily the most important theory-crafter in apex history. When he came in TSM was going downhill fast and he literally turned everything around for them.
5:02 NiceWigg sounds like he be smoking 10 packs of cigs a day💀😭
I actually got jump scared when it transitioned to the nice wigg clip. Thought I was getting ear raped by batman 😂😂
bro lost his voice ngl@@eltyo340
He casted too much and destroyed his voice lmao
@@efhi i know bro lol
Hal pole vaulting over the cat wall was so clutch.
Textbook Horizon
From legacy to dynasty!
Love that Scump actually cares about ALGS and Apex, he's 100% right, TSM had to win 3 games in a row you can't hate on that, they were incredible
SAF didn’t third party that fight because they had godspot at the given time. Also, if they were to drop, they most likely would have gotten one clipped because Evan was watching the drop as soon as the fight finished. Fall fatigue makes them an easy target. No horizon in their comp. Their plan was to valk ult into zone. A lot went into them not thirding that fight
Overall if you look back on it they 100% should’ve taken that fight. On the Apex pod, Enoch, fin Wyatt and j hawk went over the whole vods and all came to a conclusion that it was 100% the call. That or they should’ve thirded when tsm fought Blackhand
I would say that they didn't understand where the next god spot would be hence why they wanted the building over the hill since theoretically that would have more cover. also they were playing incredibly timid not wanting to risk things as they were in like 14th place and thought playing passively would allow for more points. but yeah they should have 100% thirded the fight for TSM vs Blackhand, understandable why they didn't third the fight vs dojo as they had 1 player watching their backs nowhere close to the duo so they would have dropped as a duo and solo compared to all 3.
They had like multiple chances to 3rd tsm
Also they got full damaged form Timmy's Bang Ult, on the top with no cover, you can see they're still healing when TSM already wiped DOJO. I think people miss this point.
At Blackhand fight, they should 3rd them, but nevetheless, their choich to go building got them lots of supply for the last 3v3 fight, I don't think it's actually a bad play.
excuses excuses
CEO almost pass out after jump like that to much adrenaline 😂😂
Lulu and shiv were about to cry lmaooo
I feel everyone just felt they gonna win it, their reaction was like just not surprised hahahaha
they mad lol. so many tsm haters
This is internet and I can’t proof shit but after the first win i said to my friends on Discord don’t be surprised if they win 3 in a row now.
It was just hanging in the air and we know they can do it if everything connects
@@solodolo6044 Most people don't hate tsm, they hate their fans. TSM fans are really boring and obnoxious.
well i like them , following hal for quite a while, i guess you mean all the young fans @@zorbacosum1978
Freaking wigg’s voice is trying to hold on 😂
The script writers don’t get paid enough for this
SAF wouldn't have won either way. Blvkhvnd would have won if SAF 3rd partied tsm. But damn that lift from Hal was timed to perfection.
The time SAF should've won was when they valk ulted, they planned to go third party blackhand fighting tsm, which probably would've won them the game, but one of their teammates fell out of the valk ult and landed near the building, so they just had to follow where he landed, that valk ult lost them the game, they could've just cleaned up tsm after they killed backhand but they choked the valk ult
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Im so fcking glad for CEO and Co. First i wanted to Dojo makes the Lan, cuz Timmy, pubstomper, streamer not even a pro blowing up pro scene at the first try and take the championship?! It will be history. But, when CEO made it i also 🎉🎉🎉🎉
your such a gentleman lettling the lady go 1st, I see you.
I sure do wish we had seen them win a worlds in league.
HAL made TSM Apex Team... his IGL skills are top notch........
nicewigg sounds like batman ☠️☠️
😂😂
i am batman thats impawsable
probably the only non ironic TSM chant in a while
Nice wiggs voice is more cracked as all armors in the gane😅😅😅😂
SAF didn't third party the TSM vs DOJO fight because they didn't wanna throw their game by leaving god spot. They could've been dead later, after third partying TSM. Hence, they stayed alive till the end by not leaving the spot to third party. Either way they had a 3v3 with TSM and lost so.
Can't believe NRG quit apex after this..
someone get aceu, dizzy, and timmy on a squad im tryna see something.
They wouldn’t even qual for a lan
Raven is the man who tamed the beast who Is ImperialHal
Finally Not dz again🎉, LETS Go TSM
Nicewigg and that other guy were hating so much on TSM, Praying for the downfall. Lol Get wrecked
What was up with that one guys voice just curious
Nicewigg? He had been casting all weekend long, hes high energy does a lot of yelling etc. took a toll on his voice by that time
SAF was ablz to easily one shot one or two dojo members from above they were literally aiming sight on their heads and they didnt shoot a single bullet
They indeed shot dojo. Look at Dezign pov the moment he was about to die, he got shot from above. SAF only had clear view when he stepped out of cave. The whole surface where Timmy was standing before getting downed wasn’t in their view so they didn’t shoot
@@surya_12390 im talking before enemy get downed go check povs again
@@any_one_elseyea but why would they shoot before Enemy got knocked? They get nothing out of it because then Dojo maybe backs up and there’s now one less spot in the map they can possibly play in
@@frank10pez94 free kp for a team who still dnt have 50 and dojo got nowhere to go there backks up to where either they collapse on tsm in the tunnel and die hold outside main building and get harassed by SAF and TSM or contest inside where all posts is taken they were dead for SAF all possibilities are good for them of course tsm and dojo kill each other and they jump down is the best play but when the fight happened only two were above as the last one was holding near the big door up and there was only one knock from tsm and mostly if the two jumped on them without a third they will get insta beemed anyway SAF wanted a big prey than one or two kp points but they failed to get either
whoever the 2 squads fighting they could have stopped and aim for TSM but having zero IQ's they did opt to fight for each other.. it should be an unwritten rules in cases and situations like this.
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. The players don’t know who they’re fighting.
i see, so dumb of me, i thought they have a way of knowing like mentally keeping tabs of people that got killed and squads that got wiped out.@@ghostmania.
i get the sense Lulu is a fkn hater. Ive seen two different reactions from her of tsm wins and she just dies inside.
yeah she's mad at Hal cause he choosed Bri over she
prob bc Hal is a child
@@kanoaikawach that’s your opinion and nobody asked for it
The vast majority of the people who think SAF should have 3rd partied the Dojo fight are TSM haters because it was the most obvious situation they could've have been killed, but SAF never drops down as a wattson/valk team in that situation even if they knew who it was. They'd be throwing away their only chance to valk ult and from ultimate height, they'd be potentially letting a team hiding lower command center to pinch them, and they'd be forced to walk in like TSM did except without Cat and Horizon ults. Also, it was game #8 of finals and too many teams were on MP for SAF not to be playing for a win to force more games.
@@kanoaikawachat least hes not a vtuber
Shiv is such a hater 😂
TSM win even if SAF third party at the start
No, SAF didnt third party the fight DOjo vs Tsm, Even with imperialhal knock, it was an ez third party.
@pepe_dc7780 ? I Didnt say they did. I said if they did, they still lose.
@@seffer9772 it's. 3v2. Is almost imposible lose a 3v2 on pro levels
@@pepe_dc7780 TSM clears. Keep coping.
@@pepe_dc7780 it would've been a 2v2 with SAF's third coming late, they were split holding up top which is why they couldn't capitalize in time to third, TSM would've had a full reset by the time that SAF were in a position to drop as a full 3.
Arguably the fight SAF should've third partied was when TSM took the north side of zone vs Blackhand, SAF were hovering above in valk ult at the time of that fight starting, so it would've been a good third party, but valk ult decisions like that are hindsight when you look back after the game is over
optic should have had that in 4
Lol, could of, should of would of, but didn't.
I HATE listening to nicewigg
lmao why do the commentators just be sayin random ass shit?
I was at the event and honestly they were so annoying. That Vicky girl just speaks and doesn’t actually say anything. At one point she said TSM were using the energy of the crowd to bunker down a building like what the fuck are you actually talking about
@@jiqzur9549 XD
Both girls say the absolute dumbest things in the broadcast; sounding like Bill Walton in college basketball. The two dudes in the final game are usually good but they were just stretching some "deep meaning" stuff that was stupid. @@jiqzur9549
nicewigg bro 😂 drink some water dude
They cheat
Lulu easily the most annoying person in the Apex community. Faide is a close 2nd
You spelled Sweet wrong
You spelled Taxi wrong
nah faide is number1 imo
@@jiqzur9549 sweet is up there, but as much as I hate to admit it he can back up most of what he says
@@robertobarela293 champs placement completely contradicts that but hey that’s your opinion
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