Fixing Interior Trim Details
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Brent works on a new house that tried to combine Georgian and Greek Revival details with mixed results. Going with a more pure Georgian allows better hierarchy and authentic detailing. Come check it out.
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Thanks, Brent for another masterful redesign. I really appreciate your analysis and redesign of the crown moldings, the different heights and panels on the doors, the greatly improved fireplace mantel, adding the low chair rail and adding the false door for symmetry. I was not aware of the precedent for false doors but it is such a clever and satisfying solution versus the asymmetry of the panels on the other side of the fireplace as originally shown. I also appreciate the classic hierarchy of proportion and size and details that you imposed from the downstairs main rooms to the simplified upstairs. Your keen sense of proportion can be seen in all the changes, from the smallest molding details right on up to the overall house. It's amazing that you caught the staircase mistake in the original drawings. Only an experienced builder and designer would have noticed that and correctly re-drafted it with the stairs ending where you show they would. Taken altogether, your improvements elevate the entire house plan to another level of quality. The improved proportions and stylistic details bring a sense of order and simplicity and a purity of style that really complements the truly excellent design of the exterior and the floorpan. This project is a total success and I feel certain that the designer will be pleased with your work. Congratulations and thanks again.
Wow, thanks so much.
Great Vid Brent !
Thanks!!
Great info! The 17 thing was good info too.. I think builders overtrim just to be impressive..lots of times it's just too much.. Thanks for the info!
I agree. Thanks.
Another great Wed. Design clip. Would you ever consider doing a show comparing / contrasting trim elements by style? Essentially comparing trim profiles side-by-side.
Great suggestion! Thanks.
It seems everything is a hodgepodge of styles thrown together, even at the high end of the housing market. Glad you're able to help people get it right. I do wonder if the modern untrained eye sometimes sees hierarchy as cheaping out on the less visible areas.
Good question. Thanks!
Hi Brent, great video! So how are they going to fix the staircase? Maybe extend the entrance hall another two feet to gain some extra room for more steps? Also, in the living room you say you're going to add a fake door on the left of the fireplace to create symmetry with the door on the right side. There's a screen porch behind where that fake door would go - why not make it a real door out to a glassed-in conservatory (they already have a screen porch on the other side of the house)?
Stair will move into hall to create more space. The other side of that wall does not allow a pass through. Thanks!
Terrific changes. The original is a “hot mess” with tons of junk without any style continuity. You’ve simplified it and made it consistent Georgian style. I would go one step further and go to the Kuiken Georgian style book that you designed. It’s the best Georgian trim details I’ve seen, classical and true to the style.
Nice. Thanks!
I didn't know 17 was the magic number on stairs. GREAT to know!
Thanks for watching.
I find it interesting that you mentioned that there’s no historic precedent for coffered ceilings. There are a lot of examples of beamed ceilings in plan books from the 1900s-30s, particularly in arts and crafts styles. Are those not the same thing, or are those just not relevant to classical styles?
Correct, I meant in the Georgian era. I find they show up most in the Victorian and then A&C eras. Thanks for the question.
But how high is the chair rail? ;)
Haha, Thx.
Any room for a flat screen above that mantel ?
Yes, but probably not on that wall. Thx.
Hoping that is sarcasm
8” is too tall for stair rise. Code is 7 3/4”
Yep! Thanks for the note.
@@BrentHull I recently failed when the finished floor came in 1/8 undersized and my rise was 7 7/8”! He was a new inspector out for blood.
Whomever designed the original plans was trying. Very trying.
It’s like someone dared them to use every trim profile available in their catalog… 😂😂😂
Yep. Thx.
This video is great. The way you put moldings together so that they can be read is much more soothing than the busy mess builders/architects come up with.
Thanks!
Ive never heard the 17 rule, mostly hear carpenters give the 7-11 rule. Just off the top of my head I don’t see any disadvantages to having an 11” run regardless of the rise, what is the reasoning?
I’ve heard of this rule once before…. I think it’s a decent rule of thumb. 7/11 is often required for public buildings and 8/10 is a typical limit for private residences as per residential codes, but 8” is a pretty steep rise and 10” is a very shallow tread, especially when considering anyone with mobility limitations. Brett was on the money with expanding that stair esp. with the spiraling section.
An 11" tread is fine, the rise effects how we climb a stair. Rise needs to match or we trip. Rise can't be too high because it is hard to climb and come down.
Brilliant sketches, and thinking policy to die for. Likewise the 17 rule for stairs - builders and designers should know these things but I doubt if they do.
Thank you!
Excellent video! Really love these interior design ones. On my education journey for traditional/classical design, this is really helpful! Out of curiosity, would you be able to do a video sometime on sunrooms/conservatory history and design sometime? I love how Victorian, Eduardian, and other classical styles sometimes were accompanied by these ornate window filled rooms of various styling. Thanks so much for all you do!
Glad you like them! Yes, good idea. Thx.
Why is it that builders think "the more moldings the better!" It must be drive you crazy at times seeing such nonsense!
Yes, you feel my pain. Thx.
👌🏻 it’s all taking the same language now.
Thx!
I like your changes
The house/rooms did not appear large enough for all the original molding and design elements
There is a delicate balance between too much and not enough
Keep up with the good work!
JIM ❤
Awesome thanks.
Such great content. Appreciate these videos and the detail you go into; really nothing else out there like these. Really well explained for someone learning classical design. Thanks!
Glad to hear it. Thanks.
Great video! I thought the most interesting fix was the proposed change to the modillion proportions. There arent a lot of resources I've found for what those should look like, but they seem like a really useful tool when executing a more ornate order -- perhaps you could do a video on them?
Good idea. Let me look into it.
7-11 is the magic formula for stairs… 7” rise, 11” tread is most comfortable
Agreed. Thx.
This video is packed with valuable information on interiors . I would like to see you make some improvements to the exterior as well.
I hope in the future you offer some house plans ? Beautiful job !
Thanks, will do!
Brent,
Still working on an addition on my home and love your channel. As a hobbyist woodworker and wannabe trim carpenter/cabinet maker, I had so many ideas for what I would want my home to look like both interior and exterior, but ended up with a tragic looking exterior that doesn’t match my original brick Tudor at all. It felt like one cost prohibitive barrier after another when it came to material selection and soon came to realize why so many beautiful old brick homes in my neighborhood had additions with vinyl siding. Concessions had to be made and it always felt more appropriate to make them on the outside than the inside. I just often think of this fact when looking at your work… how impressive, beautiful, and ultimately wildly expensive it all must be in the modern age of building. I can’t help but feel I let my house down in a way. But anyways love your content and thanks for sharing all your knowledge.
Thanks for sharing. Good luck.
Another great installment. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
When you see the corner blocks by the transom that was planned for originally, what style does that signal to you? And why did you opt to get rid of them?
Decorative corner blocks are a Greek Revival and Victorian element. I opted to get rid of them because the owner asked for a more pure Georgian interior. Those elements aren't part of a Georgian interior. Thx
@@BrentHullthanks so much. my 1915 home has trim installed with corner blocks like this that im restoring, and it’s been a difficulty trying to understand what style the trim is in, in case I wanted to add more architectural elements.
Mr. Hull, I believe you're overthinking and playing TOO MUCH by the "Rules." Yes, Georgian is different from Federal, yes, Federal is different from Greek Revival, yes, Greek Revival is different from Italianate, etc.... but have you ever heard of eclecticism? The house was flawed in some respects, but you have to give the architect credit. It's 300 times - maybe 500 times - better than most modern housing. He's got his entablatures, and his columns seem to have the right entasis. Perhaps a little more encouragement along with the critique?
Well, after watching plenty of these design videos, I can tell that you wouldn't see a transom in a Georgian house, it would definitely look out of place... And they say "the difference between good and great is an 1/8"" (or something along those lines). And after seeing enough, as well as fixing enough, trim the past few years, builders don't give enough thought into shadow lines. When shadow lines are done right, it's a thing of beauty, when they aren't, it looks like a muddy mess. Just my 2¢ 🍻 cheers
Fair comment, but things have gotten so “eclectic” in the last 50 years that it’s great to get “back to basics”.
By working to create a cohesive trim package, the design’s intent is clearly communicated. Some historic buildings mix stylistic elements, but usually it was for a *deliberate* effect or the building was created at a transitional period of architectural history.
Good point, but while I think the exterior was good, I did think the interior was a mess.
Professionals are not judged by their wins but by their losses. If I’m that architect, I know I’m better than 90% of plan builders and with Brent’s help I can be better than 99% of plan builders. Brent is one of the few people that can help this architect become better. Brent doesn’t do eclectic so it wouldn’t make sense for him to encourage it on his Channel.