I discovered Rhizophagy from talking to Gabe Brown at a conference after he spoke. I'm so glad you looked into it and perused Dr. White when I mentioned his work on Facebook. Feel's good knowing I played a small part in spreading the knowledge and through your interviews and speaking engagements, the understanding and application to farms and ranches. keeping pushing boundaries John you're doing amazing work. I'm rooting for you.
Thanks for the quality webinar, John. When you speak about microbial metabolites is this including the minerals released from the predator/prey food web as well? For instance, when different protozoa and nematodes in the rhizosphere consume bacteria or other microbes, they release plant available nutrients where the plants can use them. I have read that, for instance, when flagellates graze on bacteria, they release NH4. Would this be considered a water soluble ion or microbial metabolite that may also include amino acids and peptides (among other things)? This would not be via the rhizophagy cycle to my understanding but is an important way plants receive nutrition from the soil as well. The goal, I would think, is not that plants receive 100% of their nutrition from the rhizophagy cycle but the diversity of ways microbes can bring available nutrients to the plants, which includes but is not limited to the rhizophagy cycle. What are you thoughts on this?
HI Steve, Excellent comments and thoughts. Completely agree, microbial metabolites are absorbed by plants outside of the rhizophagy cycle, and this is also an important process.
This is much better the second time around. Now it makes sense to spray compost tea or natural humus teas onto wet tropical fruit tree seeds before drying or planting the seed. thank you.
the EC in the soil comes from 2 possible sources - application of ionic fertilizer and microbial performance, the latter being far more desirable because it is more steady and not subject to sharp fluctuations
In reference to microbes aiding in uptake of water during drought conditions off the microfilm the plants’ roots can’t attain, is this water being converted to structured water within the bacteria before transferring to the plant? Just a thought from rewatching your video library.
Humus consumption Theory Was thrown out in favor of Liebig's law of the minimum. The error was novelty bias and thinking just because they found something new the old had no place. It was also convenient for people trying to sell stuff. Really, Liebig's Law of the Minimum Simply is building upon Humus Consumption Theory. That's how I look at it. I first heard about Humus Consumption Theory In Sir Albert Howard's book An Agricultural Testament.
do you run into people lecturing that you 'just don't get it' when you point out that some science is shitty, and it's shitty specifically because it was accepted due to its novelty and its potential to generate profit? because I run into that all the time.
Hi John, you said you know farmers who fix 3000 Units of N per Year. Do you know about some scientific data on that. It could be very useful for my Thesis. Thanks for your Work!!
enjoy the webinars, but mixing great advice on how to do something good, with snarky advice on how to do something bad, gets confusing. for example "... having bare soil, tilled soils are excellent ways to ..." at 25:45, just makes it hard to follow along.
Hi John, I'm a cherry grower from Australia. 1. should liquid urea mix be used instead of lo-bi urea foliar spray at leaf drop and 2. can lo-bi urea be substituted for liquid urea in soil?
John can you please let me know in which stage does control of nemitode fits in plant health pyramid. Is there any co-relation relationship between a specific nutrition and nemitodes in soil.
You talk about Biocoat Gold from AEA. If this is applied in the fall. then how long would I need to keep livestock off the field so they not harmed from eating this product?
Yes, most of the seed we use inoculants on are treated seeds, with good results. Seed that has been treated has an even greater need to be reinoculated.
Why do you specify "broadacre" crops? Are you trying to say that even if you miss-manage your large farm by growing mono cultures and using large equipment that compresses the soil, that the rhizophagy cycle can still help, is more important, or is less important? Because it seems to me that this information should be important to all crops and farms.
You are right that this information is applicable to all crops and farms. If you listen to the webinar, you will learn that no mismanagement is condoned, and in fact, those practices you mentioned are incompatible with the thriving rhizophagy John describes. While this information is critical for all growers, reaching broadacre growers with the message about nitrogen efficiency is especially important given the large amounts of nitrogen used on these crops each year.
@@AdvancingEcoAgriculture "in fact, those practices you mentioned are incompatible with the thriving rhizophagy" - broadacre crop is by definition - 1 acre (or more) of monoculture crop -, and is almost always cultivated with large machines. This is why i think that the title is so miss-leading. How about this for a title "Chemical Companies Lie to Broadacre Farmers - Eliminate the Need for Nitrogen Applications by Utilizing the Rhizophagy Cycle".
@@richardruss7481 by whose definition? There are are plenty of farmers out there growing diverse polycultures on a broadscale --through intercropping, companion planting, as well as cover crop rotations -- some of whom even use horses instead of heavy machinery. The world is more complex than such dogmatic definitions pretend.
@@siddiqkhan7393 You can define words to mean anything you want, but here in the real world we use words to convey commonly accepted meanings. It really does no good to talk using words, if they mean something different to everyone you talk to.
I discovered Rhizophagy from talking to Gabe Brown at a conference after he spoke. I'm so glad you looked into it and perused Dr. White when I mentioned his work on Facebook. Feel's good knowing I played a small part in spreading the knowledge and through your interviews and speaking engagements, the understanding and application to farms and ranches. keeping pushing boundaries John you're doing amazing work. I'm rooting for you.
Thank you for mentioning James White on Facebook! You played a big part in connecting people and spreading knowledge as a result of that.
@Klaa2 It is. 😄
@@AdvancingEcoAgriculture @Klaa2 Except when it isn't: english.stackexchange.com/questions/10036/why-is-primer-pronounced-with-a-short-i-sound 😊
Thanks for the quality webinar, John. When you speak about microbial metabolites is this including the minerals released from the predator/prey food web as well? For instance, when different protozoa and nematodes in the rhizosphere consume bacteria or other microbes, they release plant available nutrients where the plants can use them. I have read that, for instance, when flagellates graze on bacteria, they release NH4. Would this be considered a water soluble ion or microbial metabolite that may also include amino acids and peptides (among other things)? This would not be via the rhizophagy cycle to my understanding but is an important way plants receive nutrition from the soil as well. The goal, I would think, is not that plants receive 100% of their nutrition from the rhizophagy cycle but the diversity of ways microbes can bring available nutrients to the plants, which includes but is not limited to the rhizophagy cycle. What are you thoughts on this?
HI Steve, Excellent comments and thoughts. Completely agree, microbial metabolites are absorbed by plants outside of the rhizophagy cycle, and this is also an important process.
This is much better the second time around. Now it makes sense to spray compost tea or natural humus teas onto wet tropical fruit tree seeds before drying or planting the seed. thank you.
the EC in the soil comes from 2 possible sources - application of ionic fertilizer and microbial performance, the latter being far more desirable because it is more steady and not subject to sharp fluctuations
In reference to microbes aiding in uptake of water during drought conditions off the microfilm the plants’ roots can’t attain, is this water being converted to structured water within the bacteria before transferring to the plant? Just a thought from rewatching your video library.
Humus consumption Theory Was thrown out in favor of Liebig's law of the minimum. The error was novelty bias and thinking just because they found something new the old had no place. It was also convenient for people trying to sell stuff.
Really, Liebig's Law of the Minimum Simply is building upon Humus Consumption Theory.
That's how I look at it.
I first heard about Humus Consumption Theory In Sir Albert Howard's book An Agricultural Testament.
do you run into people lecturing that you 'just don't get it' when you point out that some science is shitty, and it's shitty specifically because it was accepted due to its novelty and its potential to generate profit? because I run into that all the time.
What about dry Urea?
Hi John, you said you know farmers who fix 3000 Units of N per Year. Do you know about some scientific data on that. It could be very useful for my Thesis. Thanks for your Work!!
enjoy the webinars, but mixing great advice on how to do something good, with snarky advice on how to do something bad, gets confusing. for example "... having bare soil, tilled soils are excellent ways to ..." at 25:45, just makes it hard to follow along.
Hi John, I'm a cherry grower from Australia. 1. should liquid urea mix be used instead of lo-bi urea foliar spray at leaf drop and 2. can lo-bi urea be substituted for liquid urea in soil?
CHRIS HALL 1. Lo-bi is best for foliars. 2. Yes.
John can you please let me know in which stage does control of nemitode fits in plant health pyramid.
Is there any co-relation relationship between a specific nutrition and nemitodes in soil.
Level two, nematodes are usually no longer a problem.
@@JohnKempfVisionBuilder thank you very much
You talk about Biocoat Gold from AEA. If this is applied in the fall. then how long would I need to keep livestock off the field so they not harmed from eating this product?
Around two seconds should be more than enough.
@@JohnKempfVisionBuilder 😄
If you have treated seed can you still use the innoculant product ?
Yes, most of the seed we use inoculants on are treated seeds, with good results. Seed that has been treated has an even greater need to be reinoculated.
@@AdvancingEcoAgriculture what can i do to help keep the biology i inoculated alive. I use common pipe water to irrigate would it kill the biology?
I don t understand the process by how biology transfers nitrogen from legumes to other plants while in active growth ?
It is the N fixed from previous seasons/ legumes that is being delivered, not from active nodules most likely.
Why do you specify "broadacre" crops? Are you trying to say that even if you miss-manage your large farm by growing mono cultures and using large equipment that compresses the soil, that the rhizophagy cycle can still help, is more important, or is less important? Because it seems to me that this information should be important to all crops and farms.
You are right that this information is applicable to all crops and farms. If you listen to the webinar, you will learn that no mismanagement is condoned, and in fact, those practices you mentioned are incompatible with the thriving rhizophagy John describes. While this information is critical for all growers, reaching broadacre growers with the message about nitrogen efficiency is especially important given the large amounts of nitrogen used on these crops each year.
@@AdvancingEcoAgriculture "in fact, those practices you mentioned are incompatible with the thriving rhizophagy" - broadacre crop is by definition - 1 acre (or more) of monoculture crop -, and is almost always cultivated with large machines. This is why i think that the title is so miss-leading.
How about this for a title "Chemical Companies Lie to Broadacre Farmers - Eliminate the Need for Nitrogen Applications by Utilizing the Rhizophagy Cycle".
@@richardruss7481 by whose definition? There are are plenty of farmers out there growing diverse polycultures on a broadscale --through intercropping, companion planting, as well as cover crop rotations -- some of whom even use horses instead of heavy machinery. The world is more complex than such dogmatic definitions pretend.
@@siddiqkhan7393 You can define words to mean anything you want, but here in the real world we use words to convey commonly accepted meanings. It really does no good to talk using words, if they mean something different to everyone you talk to.
@@richardruss7481 Pretty much true, alternatively, the NITROGEN part could read 'synthetic chemicals', and bag ALL the chemical companies world wide
Seems overmanaged. No-till and animals instead
How many animals would be needed for 10 000 ha farm? Not possible IMO.