I’ve served as a secretary or clerk in four different wards and a branch. In every meeting I attended, callings were filled in the same way: the bishopric (or branch presidency) would review a report of callings needing to be filled and a report of people available to be called, discuss who they thought would work well in each calling, and finish by praying for confirmation. This happened over and over again for every calling, with two exceptions. One time in each of two different bishoprics in two different states, about a decade apart, the Lord told us exactly whom He wanted in a specific calling. Each was a rather unique situation, and each was accompanied by an absolutely overwhelming outpouring of the Spirit. Everyone in that room *knew* that that’s what He wanted; there was no real discussion necessary. But let’s be clear: while those two experiences are extremely sacred to me, they are definitely the exception. We are here on earth to learn and grow by making wise decisions, and that’s exactly what the Lord tends to let us do.
I believe that this falls under the "many are called, few are chosen" category. We are all asked by God to perform our the tasks that we are called for, but if we choose to exalt our callings and go above and beyond, then that is when we become "chosen" for the role.
One time I accepted a calling as a counselor and learned later on that a few before me would not accept it; I was the first one that did accept it. The president told me this after I accepted the calling. Apparently, I was not 1st choice but she was desperate for a counselor and she was glad her desperation was answered by anyone. Sometimes desperation happens and I could have been bummed learning how that calling came about not feeling like it was inspiration but desperation, but I just served in the calling because I wanted to. I learned that just being available is inspiration enough as the Lord needs available people everywhere to build up His work. It's about the choices presented to us and our being willing. Weekly, we take the Sacrament and the Sacramental prayer and it uses the word "willing". Callings help us exercise faith. It's about faith, and being willing to act upon and not be acted upon. Once we bring doubt, cynicism, looking for negativity, or lack of desire then we likely won't accept callings. We do have a choice in the matter. Where our treasure is there our hearts will be also.
Like was said, sometimes there are multiple right answers, sometimes there are a lack of options, and also people have their agency. While most people accept callings that are extended, there are plenty of people who decline.
There is only one answer, our Lord is a Sovereign God. “He works for the good of all those who love God and who are called according to his purpose” Rom 8:28
I think that God does much good through any calling that we receive and are willing to serve in. God allows us to think, council together, and make decisions with his inspiration guidance, and input. Does that mean that he handpicks everyone for every calling? No, but does he help guide our thoughts both in extending the calling and serving within the calling? I believe the answer to that is yes.
Just depends on your definition of "called by God". Is each one visited by a burning bush? No. Their calling doesn't necessitate that. It's each one called as part of the define plan of exaltation? I'd say yes. It's up to them to make the choice to live up to that calling though
If leaders weren’t truly called by God but in these positions anyways, we would be debating the sovereign nature our Lord, which simply trumps everything 😅
Considering I was given many callings even though I never had any faith, this is an obvious no. But for the family, I went through the motions for my entire life because it was what was expected. Nobody ever had any doubts as to my faith and I faked it pretty well until I asked myself why I was doing it. Turns out when your family isn't psychotic, you can leave the church just fine. But your results may vary.
one important principle isn't being discussed. When someone receives keys (or the right of presidency), they are given a "power of attorney" (using an earthly legal term) to act in Heaven's place. That decision is ratified and becomes the will of the Lord. So you can have confidence that the decision is the will of the Lord, even if it isn't the best decision possible. God allows us to make good, better, and best decisions so that we can learn through contrasts.
I don't know why the RUclips algorhythm showed me this (I'm an atheist) but I guess I'll chip in with "No, I don't think *any* calling comes from God."
@@scottvanmatre2507 Well, because it asked a question. Plus, maybe some theists who watch this channel are interested in talking about atheism, or faith, or any of a dozen interesting conversations that are potentially to be had.
I’ve served as a secretary or clerk in four different wards and a branch. In every meeting I attended, callings were filled in the same way: the bishopric (or branch presidency) would review a report of callings needing to be filled and a report of people available to be called, discuss who they thought would work well in each calling, and finish by praying for confirmation. This happened over and over again for every calling, with two exceptions.
One time in each of two different bishoprics in two different states, about a decade apart, the Lord told us exactly whom He wanted in a specific calling. Each was a rather unique situation, and each was accompanied by an absolutely overwhelming outpouring of the Spirit. Everyone in that room *knew* that that’s what He wanted; there was no real discussion necessary.
But let’s be clear: while those two experiences are extremely sacred to me, they are definitely the exception. We are here on earth to learn and grow by making wise decisions, and that’s exactly what the Lord tends to let us do.
I believe that this falls under the "many are called, few are chosen" category. We are all asked by God to perform our the tasks that we are called for, but if we choose to exalt our callings and go above and beyond, then that is when we become "chosen" for the role.
One time I accepted a calling as a counselor and learned later on that a few before me would not accept it; I was the first one that did accept it. The president told me this after I accepted the calling. Apparently, I was not 1st choice but she was desperate for a counselor and she was glad her desperation was answered by anyone. Sometimes desperation happens and I could have been bummed learning how that calling came about not feeling like it was inspiration but desperation, but I just served in the calling because I wanted to. I learned that just being available is inspiration enough as the Lord needs available people everywhere to build up His work. It's about the choices presented to us and our being willing. Weekly, we take the Sacrament and the Sacramental prayer and it uses the word "willing". Callings help us exercise faith. It's about faith, and being willing to act upon and not be acted upon. Once we bring doubt, cynicism, looking for negativity, or lack of desire then we likely won't accept callings. We do have a choice in the matter. Where our treasure is there our hearts will be also.
As a member of the Bishopric, its really who is available & we pray members will accept...lol
Like was said, sometimes there are multiple right answers, sometimes there are a lack of options, and also people have their agency. While most people accept callings that are extended, there are plenty of people who decline.
There is only one answer, our Lord is a Sovereign God. “He works for the good of all those who love God and who are called according to his purpose” Rom 8:28
I think that God does much good through any calling that we receive and are willing to serve in. God allows us to think, council together, and make decisions with his inspiration guidance, and input. Does that mean that he handpicks everyone for every calling? No, but does he help guide our thoughts both in extending the calling and serving within the calling? I believe the answer to that is yes.
Just depends on your definition of "called by God". Is each one visited by a burning bush? No. Their calling doesn't necessitate that. It's each one called as part of the define plan of exaltation? I'd say yes. It's up to them to make the choice to live up to that calling though
If I had been in the room, I would have said “yes” if you all said “no” and I would have said “no” if you all said “yes”
What makes callings "of God" is that it is done under the keys of the priesthood. Sheesh
If leaders weren’t truly called by God but in these positions anyways, we would be debating the sovereign nature our Lord, which simply trumps everything 😅
Every calling is given by the Lord's representative, but it's up the the person called to make it inspired or not.
The word “every” is too big
They are called by the Lord😮
Considering I was given many callings even though I never had any faith, this is an obvious no.
But for the family, I went through the motions for my entire life because it was what was expected. Nobody ever had any doubts as to my faith and I faked it pretty well until I asked myself why I was doing it.
Turns out when your family isn't psychotic, you can leave the church just fine. But your results may vary.
My retired teacher bishop only puts teachers in ward council callings haha
one important principle isn't being discussed. When someone receives keys (or the right of presidency), they are given a "power of attorney" (using an earthly legal term) to act in Heaven's place. That decision is ratified and becomes the will of the Lord. So you can have confidence that the decision is the will of the Lord, even if it isn't the best decision possible. God allows us to make good, better, and best decisions so that we can learn through contrasts.
I don't know why the RUclips algorhythm showed me this (I'm an atheist) but I guess I'll chip in with "No, I don't think *any* calling comes from God."
As an atheist, why even comment on a theist centered clip?
@@scottvanmatre2507 Well, because it asked a question. Plus, maybe some theists who watch this channel are interested in talking about atheism, or faith, or any of a dozen interesting conversations that are potentially to be had.
YOU GUYS ARE DISCOURAGING MEMBERS FROM TAKING ON CALLINGS. COME ON DUDES WHY TEAR THINGS DOWN, HELP BUILD THEM AND MAKE THEM BETTER.
Stop yelling. Your caps lock is on.
@joncharlotteschoen it's a form to express my disagreement buddy. I'm glad you read it though. HAVE A BLESSED DAY! 🙏😊
Absolutely not