@@kennyneally3662 If fact yes he STILL do. Bruce from what a lot has said that he has worked with Vince Mcmahon off and on through the late 80's - 2000's cause Vince has a vision of how he want wrestlers and his shows to be and Bruce try to create it, defends and goes along with whatever Vince ideas are regardless of how bad they maybe. Since 2019 after WWE got rid of Eric Bischoff then later Bruce took his place to be in charge of the creative team on Smackdown and now since WWE / Vince Mcmahon fired Paul Heyman due to low ratings a few days ago as part of creative director team on Raw and to remain a ring personality / advocate of Brock Lesnar.... Now Bruce will be running creative team of storylines of both Raw and Smackdown shows.
Such a load, no one could have gotten over with it. Pritchard is a tool. Chilly McFreeze instead of stone cold, bastion booger etc. if you are going to take credit for your successes then take responsibility for your failures.
Oh really? So a dead zombie coming in as a professional wrestler in the form of the Undertaker is ok but a guy who is cocky and was given the name Red Rooster because of it is not? Case in point, Terry Taylor sucked. Mark Callaway has talent and he's still there to this day because of it. Terry Taylor could and should have used it as a nickname instead of acting like an actual rooster. Latin American fighters are sometimes called "gallos" because they fight aggressively like fighting roosters but they don't act like roosters.
Pikkon89 ....the undertaker was pushed because he was a talented WWE CREATION....Terry Taylor was a talented wrestler who wasn't pushed because WWE didn't take an unknown Terry Taylor like they took an unknown Mark Calloway, as a wrestling fan you should know that Vince McMahon shits on anything he didn't create, Vince McMahon couldn't control Terry either, Terry Taylor would have gotten over just fine as himself, he drew sold out 70k crowds at the Tokyo dome and in every major territory long before he came to the WWE
That's not true about Vince shitting on what he did not create. Take Mick Foley for example - After Vince pitched Mick the awful 'Mason the Mutilator' gimmick, Foley quickly counter-pitched with Mankind and Vince went with it. Then, Vince found out about Dude Love, Foley's teenage wrestling persona. Vince loved it and went with it. Then, he even let him be Cactus Jack. The same is true for a lot of successful WWE guys - they're initially given given something bland or crappy, but then they either tweak that or do something else entirely, and Vince goes with it, if it's getting over. Terry Taylor didn't do that. He just accepted the gimmick, never spoke up about his dissatisfaction with it, didn't try to show that 'Terrific' Terry Taylor would be better for business, and for that people remember him as a crowing jackass. I suppose the problem was that just because some wrestler had a good career in the territories, they expected the world to be handed to them on a silver platter when they came to WWE.
Brian In Fingal - You are misinformed. Foley had had backers in WWE like Jim Ross, who kept pestering Vince over and over to sing Foley and to give him a shot. In fact, Foley has said that Vince let Foley do his Gimmick because he thought Foley would flop and wanted Jim Ross to feel like shit when the guy he backed failed. Unfortunately for Vince, Foley didn't flop at all. But that's it, Vince wanting to be a complete asshole to Jim Ross is why Foley got a chance. Check out Foley's Hell in a Cell stand up if you don't believe me.
To be honest terry was not a big deal anywhere else can't blame it on the gimmick after all Kevin Nash was wizard oz and Steve Austin was a Hollywood blonde..and they both had talent and got over.. terry didn't have charisma
I have to agree with Cornette on this one. This isn't like Undertaker or Doink The Clown, which were both done by two guys who could pull it off. Terry Taylor could not be the Red Rooster, and hell nobody could. Of course, then again these were the same creative guys who thought Mantaur and Beaver Clevage were good ideas.
I believe Mantaur and Beaver Cleavage we're concocted by Vince McMahon and Vince Russo respectively. I don't think Bruce Prichard had a hand in creating either of those characters. Jim Cornette certainly didn't because he said himself that he was handed the role of manager for Mantaur very quickly without being given any warning, and he said on his own podcast that he thought the Beaver Cleavage giving was another stupid and Russo gimmick and he was happier with Chaz Warrington being part of the head bangers as Mosh.
I like how at the end Bruce says Terry wanted to be Ric Flair and that you have to get over as an original you can't copy someone else. Pretty sure Flair himself wasn't original he copied Buddy Rogers uh Hulk Hogan copied Superstar Billy Graham.
And Dolph Ziggler is another Mr Perfect in look and ringwork. Plus, don't forget all the Road Warriors rip offs. Including Powers of Pain, Ascension and Authors of Pain.
The problem was Buddy Rodgers was no longer an active wrestler when Flair became a nature boy or at least a full time one. Flair was still working regularly when Terry was out there working. Why see a copy of someone who's still working regularly when you can see the guy he's ripping off?
maxx dahl - That is actually a very good point. However, that's not the point Prichard made. It's sad that you made such a better point than the guy who is trying to defend Vince's bullshit.
Imagine an alternate universe where Terry Taylor had the Red Rooster name and the red spiky hair, but instead of flapping his arms and clucking like a chicken he strutted like the Mr. McMahon character.
Sounds to me like TT was supposed to just be a cocky, arrogant guy, but instead took the rooster thing a little too literally and ended up not doing well.
So the gimmick was one of two things: (A): Vince's attempt at getting even with a guy who was notorious for being a cocky difficult asshole behind the scenes. (B): The result of a slow day and a long meeting in creative that people wanted too end so they just threw something together.
Vince was like, "Well, I'm going to give this guy a suck-ass gimmick in order to potentially harm the drawing power of any card he's on. As know, being a millionaire, I like to find ways to make less money. Tell Hulk he's now a half-man, half-rabbit creature named 'Hoppy Hogan"
The Red Rooster was originally a nickname I believe, bringing to light Taylor’s cocky attitude, however for one reason or another, maybe Terry couldn’t read between the lines, he took it literally and acted like an actual cock (pun intended)
Doink the Clown was originally a great gimmick - evil clowns generally work. The Red Rooster was a absolutely stupid gimmick and he could have 'embraced' it all to hell and it still wouldn't get over. Do anyone recall roosters being a part of mainstream movies, books or the like...? It was a career killer. And oh yeah, the Nature Boy gimmick that Ric Flair did was 'original'. Bruce loses credibility in this one....
I've always been of the opinion that the gimmick could've worked if they'd had Heenan give Taylor the gimmick, Taylor starts out fine but after a short amount of time starts getting more and more pissed about being laughed at until he finally turned on Heenan, beat Heenan in the blowoff match still using the gimmick, and only after beating Heenan somehow symbollicly stuff something in his mouth or something then went on as himself.
The name itself isn't so bad. Third Basemen Doug Rader was known as The Red Rooster for years, just because he had red hair. Of course he didn't actually cluck or have spiked hair. If it were done more subtly, the gimmick could work.
It's a travesty that a lot of (WWF) wrestling fans' first introduction to Terry Taylor was with that idiotic gimmick. When Taylor made his debut in the WWF, I was expecting to see that vicious heel persona that he had in the UWF/NWA and World Class. Instead he came off as a buffoon with that strutting and squawking, acting like a imbecile who needed Heenan to micromanage everything he did in the ring. All that great work that Taylor did in the years leading up this got wiped out in an instant. Even I didn't know what this "Red Rooster" thing was supposed to be about until it was explained a few years ago. How does one make that gimmick work with a name like that and with no explanation?! "Red Roostered" should be the wrestling equivalent of "jumped the shark."
I wonder if Bruce Pritchard knew who Buddy Rogers (the original Nature Boy) was? Ric Flair idolized that man growing up and eventually took on the same nickname and gimmick as him. Terry Taylor wasn't the only one trying to imitate someone's gimmick.
The Doink gimmick was overrated. He got to do some interesting stuff, but ultimately it was too over the top be beyond the midcard. Bruce actually wanted Doink to main event Wrestlemania, which shows you what an idiot Bruce is in reality.
Alot of people liked the doink character as a heel..it died soon as they turned him face. They buried Terry. Heenan literally said "I csn take a guy of average size.and ability" they weren't trying to put terry over very hard.
I agree with Cornette on this one. Red Rooster was the silliest gimmick there ever was. Vince shit his cheerios on this one. Doink the clown was great! Matt Bourne killed it. But Terry Taylor strutting around crowing was just STUPID
I was around 15 when Taylor became Red Rooster. I first time I saw it, I honestly thought they came up with him that he would quit. Like maybe he contract was up or something. It might be even worse that it was meant as real/serious. I was embarrassed for him and I don't think there's ANY way he could have made that stupid gimmick work.
What's so funny is Vince himself has admitted The Red Rooster was a failure!! But Bruce is so in love with Vince he's still continues to try and champion this stupid character.
Everything he used as a knock against Taylor was seen as ideal traits for just about everyone else. But those guys became stars because they had gimmicks that people didn’t point and laugh at.
As for his “it was Terry’s idea” I call bullshit. If it was “Terry going against the gimmick” Vince would’ve put a stop to it after the first time. Everything from the hair to the crowing was all Vince, probably just for his own juvenile amusement.
Terry Taylor was cocky. True. But they didn't put him on TV and have announcers go "man, he's so cocky", they literally named him The Red Rooster. In an era where they had bulldogs, killer bees, young stallions, "the birdman", and the rest of the zoo represented in human form. He was called The Red Rooster and they had him actually crow LIKE A FUCKING REAL LIFE ROOSTER. There is nowhere for that gimmick to go, I don't care what the thought process behind it was. Same reason Man Mountain Rock, Duke "the Dumpster" Droese, and TL Hopper weren't going to get over. Not every gimmick is going to work. Period.
Daniel Fraley ....totally agree!!! but you know how much Vince loves to shit on anything/anyone he didn't create, but droese was over for a little while during his run with Lawler
I get Bruce’s argument, but a rooster outside of a flock of chickens is not terribly impressive. In what wrestling scenario does a rooster appear to have the right to strut around?
I dislike Bruce a lot less than the average dude. Wow though this was pretty weak minded. You can just admit it was dumb and the gimmick sucked. You can say you thought it was good but you were wrong. No biggie
Jim Cornette calls it the way he sees it, and it's true, this ridiculous chicken gimmick killed Terry Taylor's career. Bruce Prichard starts out, saying okay okay as he removes his lips from Vince's gluteus maximus!!! Where he then proceeds to mount a feeble attempt to create a supporting case for this ridiculous chicken gimmick. All because it was Vince's idea. The reasons he gave made no since because the fans you nothing about Taylor's personality behind the scenes. For that matter, most of these guys were cocky and arrogant. Bruce continues to prove he was nothing more than a tool for Vince.
Gonna give this one to Corny. That was as convoluted an explanation (or rationalization) for a character choice as I’ve ever heard and if you really thought Terry just needed to go out there and be himself, why would you need to call him a damn Red Rooster Dumb dumb dumb
WWE has always had a two-faced logic. When something turns out great(Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold) it's "Vince McMahon is a promoting genius!" When something flops (Ultimate Warrior, Red Rooster, etc) they blame the talent for not getting it over. As if they had no part in creating the character, gimmick, storyline, or producing the promos...
Red Rooster, Isaac Yankum DDS, The Common Man, The “Natural”, Goldust, etc...all these bullshit gimmicks given to wrestlers who were stars in other organizations. I’d have been REALLY hesitant to come to WWF given that. I could only imagine what they’d do to Jay Lethal
Remember when they tried to fuck with Dusty Rhodes by putting him in polka dots? Yeah he was still over as fuck. His son was also over as fuck when he was Goldust. You have to have the mentality of “I don’t care what they try to do to me. I’m gonna go out there and still make money”
Fun fact: according to Flair, the rooster came up with that angle for the nwo to mock Arn Anderson and the rooster was one of Arn's best buddies at the time.
Just for an update on the score. Bruce Prichard was made head of creative for both Raw and Smackdown! So all that corporate ass kissing and defending of Vince and Co's dumbassery finally paid off!
I... believe Bruce to a point on some of these gimmicks but... If you wanted to give a guy like Terry Taylor a cocky, arrogant character makeover, that's totally fine. But they didn't have to call him god damn "Red Rooster" lmao. I mean, that's just beating people over the head with it. And you KNOW it was Vince/the WWF that gave him that hair and forced him to make rooster references in his promos. THAT stuff makes me think it was totally a rib on Terry haha. Just look at the character... it was obviously destined to fail. Who could take that at all seriously? lol
I get where BP is coming from, but I never realised that TT was (allegedly) given the Red Rooster gimmick because of his "cocky" behaviour. And the reason is that in my opinion he wasn't presented as being arrogant or a ladies man at all. He would cut promos and walk out to the ring with this ridiculous outfit and theme music that would make any rational person think he is a character designed to be popular with the younger generation of fans, Ala the Bushwackers.
Bruce's family will have to cheapest funeral when he passes. An enamma and a matchbox isn't expensive. Bruce would push anything if but buddy Vince asked him to. Spwaking of arrigant Bruce, LOL
Had Taylor been brought out as a cocky heel or a cocky face that turned up all the elements to show his cocky nature, and THEN had his foe call him a rooster or had the announcers do it months after his debut, THEN he could have not only gotten over with it, he could have taken it to a highly competitive level. Instead he was called the red rooster from the very beginning of his run, and no context was given. He was killed before he could have a chance. It was bad creative on the part of WWF/E.
I know it's an old video, but something that has to be mentioned, and perhaps others have, is that Bruce's entire argument falls apart when you look at the way they presented Terry. It wasn't just that he didn't embrace the gimmick. It was also that they put him with Heenan, which would normally be a good thing, in an angle where Heenan was trying to prove that he was such a great manager that he could take a sub-par or average wrestler(the Rooster in this case) and lead him to success. So it wasn't just the gimmick. They sabotaged Terry the whole way, and maybe he deserved it. Who knows? But Bruce is full of hot air on this one, but what else is new?
nah it probably could’ve worked. while it was probably a rib, it had potential if terry didn’t think he had to act like an actual rooster for it to get over
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I'm gettin that Bruce is so defensive about it, that the Red Rooster was probably his idea.
Definitely
Even as a kid I seen that gimmick as ridiculous.
He's Defensive About How Dare Would ANYONE Critique the God Almighty that is Vincent Kennedy McMahon!
He's very insecure about it.
He just has to make it seem like that so if Vince hears it he can hear Bruce still kissing ass
Cornette calls it like he sees it, Prichard calls it like Vince sees it!
Good god, Prichard will defend anything Vince does.
makes you wonder if he still works for him
@@kennyneally3662 If fact yes he STILL do.
Bruce from what a lot has said that he has worked with Vince Mcmahon off and on through the late 80's - 2000's cause Vince has a vision of how he want wrestlers and his shows to be and Bruce try to create it, defends and goes along with whatever Vince ideas are regardless of how bad they maybe.
Since 2019 after WWE got rid of Eric Bischoff then later Bruce took his place to be in charge of the creative team on Smackdown and now since WWE / Vince Mcmahon fired Paul Heyman due to low ratings a few days ago as part of creative director team on Raw and to remain a ring personality / advocate of Brock Lesnar.... Now Bruce will be running creative team of storylines of both Raw and Smackdown shows.
YESSSS!!
Well the man has kept him with a pay check for years so I can see why
The Artful Dodger artfully dodges the fact that the Red Rooster was a shit gimmick.
Nobody could have gotten that gimmick over.
Except rooster was popular back then
Such a load, no one could have gotten over with it. Pritchard is a tool. Chilly McFreeze instead of stone cold, bastion booger etc. if you are going to take credit for your successes then take responsibility for your failures.
Oh really? So a dead zombie coming in as a professional wrestler in the form of the Undertaker is ok but a guy who is cocky and was given the name Red Rooster because of it is not? Case in point, Terry Taylor sucked. Mark Callaway has talent and he's still there to this day because of it. Terry Taylor could and should have used it as a nickname instead of acting like an actual rooster. Latin American fighters are sometimes called "gallos" because they fight aggressively like fighting roosters but they don't act like roosters.
*Case in point
Pikkon89 ....the undertaker was pushed because he was a talented WWE CREATION....Terry Taylor was a talented wrestler who wasn't pushed because WWE didn't take an unknown Terry Taylor like they took an unknown Mark Calloway, as a wrestling fan you should know that Vince McMahon shits on anything he didn't create, Vince McMahon couldn't control Terry either, Terry Taylor would have gotten over just fine as himself, he drew sold out 70k crowds at the Tokyo dome and in every major territory long before he came to the WWE
That's not true about Vince shitting on what he did not create. Take Mick Foley for example - After Vince pitched Mick the awful 'Mason the Mutilator' gimmick, Foley quickly counter-pitched with Mankind and Vince went with it. Then, Vince found out about Dude Love, Foley's teenage wrestling persona. Vince loved it and went with it. Then, he even let him be Cactus Jack. The same is true for a lot of successful WWE guys - they're initially given given something bland or crappy, but then they either tweak that or do something else entirely, and Vince goes with it, if it's getting over.
Terry Taylor didn't do that. He just accepted the gimmick, never spoke up about his dissatisfaction with it, didn't try to show that 'Terrific' Terry Taylor would be better for business, and for that people remember him as a crowing jackass. I suppose the problem was that just because some wrestler had a good career in the territories, they expected the world to be handed to them on a silver platter when they came to WWE.
Brian In Fingal - You are misinformed. Foley had had backers in WWE like Jim Ross, who kept pestering Vince over and over to sing Foley and to give him a shot. In fact, Foley has said that Vince let Foley do his Gimmick because he thought Foley would flop and wanted Jim Ross to feel like shit when the guy he backed failed. Unfortunately for Vince, Foley didn't flop at all. But that's it, Vince wanting to be a complete asshole to Jim Ross is why Foley got a chance. Check out Foley's Hell in a Cell stand up if you don't believe me.
why wasnt bruce the third stooge with brisco and patterson in 1999
That killed Terry's career. Bruce is so full of it.
To be honest terry was not a big deal anywhere else can't blame it on the gimmick after all Kevin Nash was wizard oz and Steve Austin was a Hollywood blonde..and they both had talent and got over.. terry didn't have charisma
Terry killed it.
The Total Disrespect of Dodger to Eat/Chew & Breathe/Wheeze Heavily on the Phone as He's Being Interviewed by Jim & Brian
You cannot defend a guy walking around thinking he is a Rooster.............. A ROOSTER 🤣
I have to agree with Cornette on this one. This isn't like Undertaker or Doink The Clown, which were both done by two guys who could pull it off. Terry Taylor could not be the Red Rooster, and hell nobody could.
Of course, then again these were the same creative guys who thought Mantaur and Beaver Clevage were good ideas.
I believe Mantaur and Beaver Cleavage we're concocted by Vince McMahon and Vince Russo respectively. I don't think Bruce Prichard had a hand in creating either of those characters. Jim Cornette certainly didn't because he said himself that he was handed the role of manager for Mantaur very quickly without being given any warning, and he said on his own podcast that he thought the Beaver Cleavage giving was another stupid and Russo gimmick and he was happier with Chaz Warrington being part of the head bangers as Mosh.
@Cairo Lee he’s too busy being Daffy Duck. Sufferin’ succotash, son.
Neither as good as The Yeti, lol.
@@joemama7163 You mean the "Ye-taay" LOL!
Bruce Prichard is a WWE shill. Bruce would have probably told Cody to stay in WWE and make the gimmick work.
Funny since Cody hugged him at wrestlemania this year I n camera
The Rooster was one of the worst gimmicks of all time
Bruce toeing the Company Line as always...
Bruce's nose doesn't half smell like Vinces Ringpiece
Surprised that Bruce didn’t go with his “I wasn’t there at the time” defense. 😏
they made terry look dumb as the red rooster i can't believe he agreed to do it
To paraphrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, Terry did that to himself. He chose to act like the San Diego Chicken.
Prichard's podcast is entertaining but I take everything he says with a grain of salt.
I like how at the end Bruce says Terry wanted to be Ric Flair and that you have to get over as an original you can't copy someone else. Pretty sure Flair himself wasn't original he copied Buddy Rogers uh Hulk Hogan copied Superstar Billy Graham.
John Easton yep , hogan AND jesse ventura admit to "borrowing" billy grahams gimmick and your also right: flair wasnt the original nature boy.
And CM Punk was just a revamped Stone Cold minus the alcohol.
And Dolph Ziggler is another Mr Perfect in look and ringwork. Plus, don't forget all the Road Warriors rip offs. Including Powers of Pain, Ascension and Authors of Pain.
The problem was Buddy Rodgers was no longer an active wrestler when Flair became a nature boy or at least a full time one. Flair was still working regularly when Terry was out there working. Why see a copy of someone who's still working regularly when you can see the guy he's ripping off?
maxx dahl - That is actually a very good point. However, that's not the point Prichard made. It's sad that you made such a better point than the guy who is trying to defend Vince's bullshit.
so in other words, Vince saw terry as a reflection of himself.
I thought the same thing. People in glass house-shows shouldn't throw shitty gimmicks at their wrestlers.
Imagine an alternate universe where Terry Taylor had the Red Rooster name and the red spiky hair, but instead of flapping his arms and clucking like a chicken he strutted like the Mr. McMahon character.
Yes, a cocky guy says " ar-arar-arar...!" Rogers, Bockwinkeo an Flair all did that. Totally legit!
Can't be justified!
Bruce Prichard; the human nap. This guy's pregnant pauses give me a headache.
I want to know who told him to dye the top of hair red and pointed straight up and who was the idiot that thought it was a good idea for him to cluck.
6:45 This is one of my favorite stories
I love the Cornette laugh.
Sounds to me like TT was supposed to just be a cocky, arrogant guy, but instead took the rooster thing a little too literally and ended up not doing well.
I think that is how Bruce is spinning it, this was to rib / bury Taylor
Evil Doink was the best
It was probably Bruce that did that.
I can't stand it when people breath into a phone or a mic.
An evil clown and a red rooster are polar opposites. I don’t think the best wrestler ever could have pulled off the red rooster gimmick.
So the gimmick was one of two things:
(A): Vince's attempt at getting even with a guy who was notorious for being a cocky difficult asshole behind the scenes.
(B): The result of a slow day and a long meeting in creative that people wanted too end so they just threw something together.
Vince was like, "Well, I'm going to give this guy a suck-ass gimmick in order to potentially harm the drawing power of any card he's on. As know, being a millionaire, I like to find ways to make less money. Tell Hulk he's now a half-man, half-rabbit creature named 'Hoppy Hogan"
The Red Rooster was originally a nickname I believe, bringing to light Taylor’s cocky attitude, however for one reason or another, maybe Terry couldn’t read between the lines, he took it literally and acted like an actual cock (pun intended)
Doink was over.
Taylor actually believed that the Mr. Perfect gimmick was for him. Till they handed him the red jacket...
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This was Vince's bad idea no one else's.Blame Vince.
Matt Bourne The Original Doink was WAY OVER LOL!........2nd doink sucked.
My grandma used to call Bob Backlund "a banty red rooster" because he had bright red hair and he was nimble in the ring.
His run in the York foundation was interesting. It sort of reminded me of VK Wallstreet.
Doink the Clown was originally a great gimmick - evil clowns generally work. The Red Rooster was a absolutely stupid gimmick and he could have 'embraced' it all to hell and it still wouldn't get over. Do anyone recall roosters being a part of mainstream movies, books or the like...? It was a career killer.
And oh yeah, the Nature Boy gimmick that Ric Flair did was 'original'. Bruce loses credibility in this one....
So a guy whose full of confidence and cocky becomes a FUCKING ROOSTER!!! bullshit
Watching old UWF from the 80's videos Terry was super over
i can't say i blame terry for not taking the red rooster seriously it was a stupid gimmick
funny bruce called ric an original when the first well known nature boy was buddy rogers
I've always been of the opinion that the gimmick could've worked if they'd had Heenan give Taylor the gimmick, Taylor starts out fine but after a short amount of time starts getting more and more pissed about being laughed at until he finally turned on Heenan, beat Heenan in the blowoff match still using the gimmick, and only after beating Heenan somehow symbollicly stuff something in his mouth or something then went on as himself.
The name itself isn't so bad. Third Basemen Doug Rader was known as The Red Rooster for years, just because he had red hair. Of course he didn't actually cluck or have spiked hair. If it were done more subtly, the gimmick could work.
Bruce is just Vince’s stooge… and will defend anything Vince created even the gobbling Gooker….
It's a travesty that a lot of (WWF) wrestling fans' first introduction to Terry Taylor was with that idiotic gimmick. When Taylor made his debut in the WWF, I was expecting to see that vicious heel persona that he had in the UWF/NWA and World Class. Instead he came off as a buffoon with that strutting and squawking, acting like a imbecile who needed Heenan to micromanage everything he did in the ring. All that great work that Taylor did in the years leading up this got wiped out in an instant.
Even I didn't know what this "Red Rooster" thing was supposed to be about until it was explained a few years ago. How does one make that gimmick work with a name like that and with no explanation?! "Red Roostered" should be the wrestling equivalent of "jumped the shark."
Prichard is the biggest McMahon stooge ever
I wonder if Bruce Pritchard knew who Buddy Rogers (the original Nature Boy) was? Ric Flair idolized that man growing up and eventually took on the same nickname and gimmick as him. Terry Taylor wasn't the only one trying to imitate someone's gimmick.
Anyone know where the rest of this podcast went? Really loved it
How does one purchase a box of gimmicks?
The red rooster is better then what they are doing now! That boy could wrestle !
They shouldve made Terry like a crazied Ric Flair want to be have him act like flair dress like flair win figure 4 and do Ric Flair promos
I think that was the intention - to be a Flair parody. When he started as a heel there was no cock a doodle do and rooster comb.
Doink was the reason I stopped watching wwf.
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You've had far worse gimmicks in WWF that preceded and followed Doink and that was the deal breaker?
Face Doink was so bad, but Matt Borne as heel doink was awesome.
The Doink gimmick was overrated. He got to do some interesting stuff, but ultimately it was too over the top be beyond the midcard. Bruce actually wanted Doink to main event Wrestlemania, which shows you what an idiot Bruce is in reality.
For me it was the Gobbledygooker!!!
The whole Guerraro family must have been so proud of Hector!
Right? That Doink the clown angle sucked completely.
Alot of people liked the doink character as a heel..it died soon as they turned him face. They buried Terry. Heenan literally said "I csn take a guy of average size.and ability" they weren't trying to put terry over very hard.
Doink died when Borne was fired.
The other Doinks were akin to Razor versus Fake Razor.
They sucked.
Then his name guy was the ultimate jobber Steve Lombardi who they made the Brooklyn Brawler
I agree with Cornette on this one. Red Rooster was the silliest gimmick there ever was. Vince shit his cheerios on this one. Doink the clown was great! Matt Bourne killed it. But Terry Taylor strutting around crowing was just STUPID
What if Red Rooster / Terry Taylor had returned as the Gobbledygooker
I remember that when he was on WCW he was a solid mid-carded but after he went to WWF his career die
I was around 15 when Taylor became Red Rooster. I first time I saw it, I honestly thought they came up with him that he would quit. Like maybe he contract was up or something. It might be even worse that it was meant as real/serious. I was embarrassed for him and I don't think there's ANY way he could have made that stupid gimmick work.
RED ROOSTER ROCKS!!!!!!😅😅😅😅😅😅
An evil clown is cool, a human rooster is lame they should have made Terry Taylor a secret agent or anything else
What's so funny is Vince himself has admitted The Red Rooster was a failure!! But Bruce is so in love with Vince he's still continues to try and champion this stupid character.
Everything he used as a knock against Taylor was seen as ideal traits for just about everyone else. But those guys became stars because they had gimmicks that people didn’t point and laugh at.
As for his “it was Terry’s idea” I call bullshit. If it was “Terry going against the gimmick” Vince would’ve put a stop to it after the first time. Everything from the hair to the crowing was all Vince, probably just for his own juvenile amusement.
Terry Taylor was cocky. True. But they didn't put him on TV and have announcers go "man, he's so cocky", they literally named him The Red Rooster. In an era where they had bulldogs, killer bees, young stallions, "the birdman", and the rest of the zoo represented in human form. He was called The Red Rooster and they had him actually crow LIKE A FUCKING REAL LIFE ROOSTER. There is nowhere for that gimmick to go, I don't care what the thought process behind it was. Same reason Man Mountain Rock, Duke "the Dumpster" Droese, and TL Hopper weren't going to get over. Not every gimmick is going to work. Period.
Daniel Fraley ....totally agree!!! but you know how much Vince loves to shit on anything/anyone he didn't create, but droese was over for a little while during his run with Lawler
Well... Has to be a side effect from his missuse of Self Tanning Products, I guess
So, would you say that Terry Taylor was a pheasant plucker?
I get Bruce’s argument, but a rooster outside of a flock of chickens is not terribly impressive. In what wrestling scenario does a rooster appear to have the right to strut around?
I mean, any "nature boy" gimmick
I dislike Bruce a lot less than the average dude. Wow though this was pretty weak minded. You can just admit it was dumb and the gimmick sucked. You can say you thought it was good but you were wrong. No biggie
Jim Cornette calls it the way he sees it, and it's true, this ridiculous chicken gimmick killed Terry Taylor's career. Bruce Prichard starts out, saying okay okay as he removes his lips from Vince's gluteus maximus!!! Where he then proceeds to mount a feeble attempt to create a supporting case for this ridiculous chicken gimmick. All because it was Vince's idea. The reasons he gave made no since because the fans you nothing about Taylor's personality behind the scenes. For that matter, most of these guys were cocky and arrogant. Bruce continues to prove he was nothing more than a tool for Vince.
Since when did Hawk wear boots with laces.
Red Rooster could only work a few years later after Alice n Chain had their hit.
Gonna give this one to Corny. That was as convoluted an explanation (or rationalization) for a character choice as I’ve ever heard and if you really thought Terry just needed to go out there and be himself, why would you need to call him a damn Red Rooster
Dumb dumb dumb
WWE has always had a two-faced logic.
When something turns out great(Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold) it's "Vince McMahon is a promoting genius!"
When something flops (Ultimate Warrior, Red Rooster, etc) they blame the talent for not getting it over. As if they had no part in creating the character, gimmick, storyline, or producing the promos...
Matt "evil Doink" Borne was awesome, the gimmick was ahead of its time, turning Doink face was the nail in the coffin
Giving him shit cause he didn’t get a rooster gimmick over lol
That gimmick was so bad but Vince has a career of doing that to people
Ric flair was a copy of buddy Rogers now who did it better 1 or 2 then buddy landell would be number 3 for the nature boy name so why not one more
Red Rooster, Isaac Yankum DDS, The Common Man, The “Natural”, Goldust, etc...all these bullshit gimmicks given to wrestlers who were stars in other organizations. I’d have been REALLY hesitant to come to WWF given that. I could only imagine what they’d do to Jay Lethal
Remember when they tried to fuck with Dusty Rhodes by putting him in polka dots?
Yeah he was still over as fuck. His son was also over as fuck when he was Goldust. You have to have the mentality of “I don’t care what they try to do to me. I’m gonna go out there and still make money”
It was stupid I thought id of been pissed if it was me so wonder how Bruce would've handled being called the red rooster
To cluck or not to cluck
red rooster ppl remember who remembers terry taylor the wrestler ?
Terry Taylor was given the red rooster gimmick because he acted like a rooster
Ok
Then why didn't you give Hulk Hogan the gimmick of a double crosser.
Or Triple H, the backstabber / shoveller
What a mark🙄
This is why you can't take anything Pritchard seriously. He's been known as Vince stooge and proves it all the time.
Fun fact: according to Flair, the rooster came up with that angle for the nwo to mock Arn Anderson and the rooster was one of Arn's best buddies at the time.
Whoever is on the phone is annoying
To Taylor's credit, it didn't kill his career as he had a good wcw run.
Another story that shows Vince was never a genius
Just for an update on the score. Bruce Prichard was made head of creative for both Raw and Smackdown! So all that corporate ass kissing and defending of Vince and Co's dumbassery finally paid off!
If you had that attitude in Vinces company he would take you to earth real fast
I... believe Bruce to a point on some of these gimmicks but... If you wanted to give a guy like Terry Taylor a cocky, arrogant character makeover, that's totally fine. But they didn't have to call him god damn "Red Rooster" lmao. I mean, that's just beating people over the head with it. And you KNOW it was Vince/the WWF that gave him that hair and forced him to make rooster references in his promos. THAT stuff makes me think it was totally a rib on Terry haha. Just look at the character... it was obviously destined to fail. Who could take that at all seriously? lol
Prichard will defend anything Vince does because he’s a Vinny Mac stooge.
I get where BP is coming from, but I never realised that TT was (allegedly) given the Red Rooster gimmick because of his "cocky" behaviour. And the reason is that in my opinion he wasn't presented as being arrogant or a ladies man at all. He would cut promos and walk out to the ring with this ridiculous outfit and theme music that would make any rational person think he is a character designed to be popular with the younger generation of fans, Ala the Bushwackers.
Bruce's family will have to cheapest funeral when he passes. An enamma and a matchbox isn't expensive.
Bruce would push anything if but buddy Vince asked him to. Spwaking of arrigant Bruce, LOL
Haha!
Had Taylor been brought out as a cocky heel or a cocky face that turned up all the elements to show his cocky nature, and THEN had his foe call him a rooster or had the announcers do it months after his debut, THEN he could have not only gotten over with it, he could have taken it to a highly competitive level.
Instead he was called the red rooster from the very beginning of his run, and no context was given. He was killed before he could have a chance. It was bad creative on the part of WWF/E.
As the years have gone by the rooster has proven himself to be a stooge. A I see it he got what he deserved. I think he was always a stooge.
I know it's an old video, but something that has to be mentioned, and perhaps others have, is that Bruce's entire argument falls apart when you look at the way they presented Terry. It wasn't just that he didn't embrace the gimmick. It was also that they put him with Heenan, which would normally be a good thing, in an angle where Heenan was trying to prove that he was such a great manager that he could take a sub-par or average wrestler(the Rooster in this case) and lead him to success. So it wasn't just the gimmick. They sabotaged Terry the whole way, and maybe he deserved it. Who knows? But Bruce is full of hot air on this one, but what else is new?
nah it probably could’ve worked. while it was probably a rib, it had potential if terry didn’t think he had to act like an actual rooster for it to get over
Evil Doink was amazing. Face Doink sucked.
Looking back i thought it was shitty for him to get stuck with that gimmick.that said to a nicer guy it couldn't happen.
That idea was bullshit
He just didn't have to have that hair style. Just the name would've been fine