Just noticed - Einstein's paper on theory of relativity was published in 1905 on the same date as the date on which first episode of EIE aired on YT 118 years later (30 June)! 😊
Ajay, your articulation is amazing. Amit: thank you for pushing your own limits ever so gently, to have Ajay come up with more clarity in lieu of complex topics. The 60 minute format looks to be packed with so much.
Amit Varma is not acting, he is living ❤😂😂. This is a usual fan dialogue in the comment box so I am going for it. Any Amit please do not stop it, continue.....
Another great episode, Amit. The back-and-forth between you two regarding the AI issue was very delightful to listen in. I would second the recommendation of 'Frankenstein' by Mary Shelley. Amazing book. But, I would diagree with you Amit, regarding the dismissal of Shelley, Byron, Keats as 'not even good poets'. I love Mark Strand and I agree with you that he is a great poet. Your suggestion of teaching them to students as an introduction to poetry as opposed to the Romantic poets might also be justified. But, dismissing them offhandedly is just plain wrong, whatever parameters one might have of judging poetry and its influence. Anyway, I really enjoyed the discussion and would be looking forward for the next episode.
Next episode should be linked with the prev episode, whenever available. It is otherwise difficut to find if someone is trying to binge watch :). Alternatively a play list can be made.
Hi Amit, it's good to “See" the podcast,TSATU is my favourite no doubt,loved the smile and Mark,the conversation was enlightening, given the current scare around AI.The next topic I would like to hear is about sustainable development of our society ..hope you make an episode on it.
Thanks a lot Amit … we love your seen and the unseen and the choice of your guests and tour ability to articulate the unseen. And pragmatic Mr shah. Looking forward to longer versions on RUclips as well. All the best.
30:15 Beautiful episode. Years and years of practice in one’s own craft doesn’t only make you better at it, but also makes you feel secure about it. Anyone who says that AI will kill creativity isn’t secure in his own work of art. I agree with Gaurav’s point too, nothing is original and it reminded me of the talk what the future will be like by Jacque Fresco.
Listeners would note, apparently. (59:05) Who is this man along with Ajay? I cannot believe Ajay loves masala chai! He is such a strict man (my assessment is based on listening to him speak on a great podcast, the name of which is unseen to me presently) but in episode 1 it was a revelation that he is deep into music. Now chai. Thank you to Ajay and this other man for giving us so much! I won’t pretend I understood everything on chess or AI, but the fog is a bit less foggy now. Much love.
' The intellect ( read machine intelligence ) has little to do with the voyage to discovery. There comes a leap in consciousness, call it intuition ( read human intelligence ) or what you will and the solution comes to you and you do not know how or why. ' - A. Einstein This in the master''s words, providing us with a rare glimpse into the workings of his own mind is what Ajay was trying to tell Amit with the repeated reference to Relativity. The current excitement in A.I is not the road that leads to a revolutionary understanding in the workings of the human mind. That too in time will be known, just that it'll be a new paradigm of which we haven't the slightest inkling today. Mention the term 'consciousness' to the computational neuroscience community and they will look the other way. We are not even at the outer edges of this mystery. Btw to Ajay: For most researchers the mind is a phenomenon at the classical and not quantum level. Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have proposed a quantum model with structures called microubules where the Quantum action is likely. Books by R. Penrose: 'The Emperor's New Mind' and the other book is 'Shadow's of the Mind'.
Classical vs quantum foundations for the mind? Yes nonlinear mathematics could generate all kinds of magic. I find it fascinating that there is quantum mechanics at the foundations of photosynthesis. And thats a pretty trivial operation when compared with the mind.
Nannari or Sarsaparilla syrup is also essential ingredient of the mythical Kozhikode kulukki Sarbath ( for a typical & famous sample go to the Milk Sarbath shop under the railway bridge near Paragon hotel, Kozhikkode FYI). B tw great show keen to see where all u go with this, me thinks 🙏🏽
I stumbled on this video purely by chance. So many thoughts buzz in the mind. One - what courses do you teach and how do I explore them? Two - it was a fascinating discussion and I am going to look for episode 1. Having said that, I lost you a few times. I’m sure you mean your target audience to be more specialised (?) in their knowledge. But I’d love it if you also gave some consideration to the level 2 folk hoping to reach level 3 - without the benefit of machines! I’m one of those who likes a human to answer my questions! I know Google can - perhaps! But, what is LLM? To me that used to mean a masters degree in law!😂 And yes, I’m very grateful for autocorrect most of the time though I like to proof read my own work! Much like I prefer to double check my math on paper after using a calculator. Old fashioned, old fogey, call it what you like! At least, my mistakes will be MY mistakes! Looking forward to episode 3!
Large Language Models.. this is what ChatGPT is. the "AI" reads a lot of text and makes a huge internal model of how the language is used. using that model, it can generate new text. so its just auto-correct on steroids.
Great episode.. While thinking of suggestions for more episodes, my mind automatically goes to economics or statecraft but you both have already produced a lot of work on this. Both of you have a variety of interests and rich personal lives which include travel and wide reading and producing a lot of written and spoken works... Would you consider discussing something more practical and down to earth? Could you discuss things like daily routines? work-life balance? productivity? passion? balancing family, work, hobbies while also making money and surviving capitalism? maybe the next generation could learn something new.
Hi, Having spoken about Newton in the previous epide, I wonder if you would consider devoting an entire episode or a part of an episode talking about Thomas Alva Edison,inventor and entrepreneur of a kind unheard of before. My second suggestion is about Madam Curie and Peter Curie. I gather that the household had 5 nobels. Something about her lineage ,upbringing,meeting Peter and research etc. Although you both tuched upon this which I am about to suggest, The Advantages & Disadvantages of being Imperfect,that the concept of Perfection in the case of AI too is misleading and distorted. The idea of Mastery or master or Maestroe. I would say this points to rich imagination and not the boss on a specific area of human knowledge. We have these fake labels in the Uni system like Bachelor of so and so (?). What the hell is a bachelor ? Greenhorn acknowledged by the Uni exam which is bullshit Or for that matter the Master of Arts...M.A. or M.S. We are aware that these half-baked university written exams or viva by so-called expert committees granting Ph.Ds... These then taking up lecturer's job at a college and teaching and producing so-called bachelors... We aped the British without really matching the level of real knowledge as bachelors or master of Arts,Science,Commerce... I leave you here....thanks for illuminating conversation about AI. I suppose the limitation of hunans is the limitation of the machines. Either they understand one another or not at all. Generallly people everywhere use the computer to type,cut,copy paste etc,not for any other useful function.
Even though I've known Amit as the TSATU creator for close to half a decade, there's a part of me going "abey, apne Amit ne bhi ek RUclips show nikaala hai!," as though he were somebody I knew from school. The relationship between a podcaster (at least one that does 8 hour episodes) and their audience can be really weird.
Hi Amit, I am a fan and I have heard a number of your episodes of the seen and the unseen. These two episodes were great, I liked knowing about AI. A Subject that you could talk about is Global Warming, and is there any technological way with which these problems could go away and we could live happily ever after?
I’m surprised you did not mention the need for AGI to cohabit with humans purely for the purpose of receiving data, that is largely generated by humans only. Without a constant feed of data, AI or AGI can wither away. So it will require human activity, human curiosity, human desires, human purpose, human decisions, human conditions, and so on and so forth. A singularity may actually be stupid.
Just noticed - Einstein's paper on theory of relativity was published in 1905 on the same date as the date on which first episode of EIE aired on YT 118 years later (30 June)! 😊
This level of deeply understanding and connecting dots across these variety of subjects - this is the only purpose of my life.
Ajay, your articulation is amazing. Amit: thank you for pushing your own limits ever so gently, to have Ajay come up with more clarity in lieu of complex topics. The 60 minute format looks to be packed with so much.
Amit Varma is not acting, he is living ❤😂😂. This is a usual fan dialogue in the comment box so I am going for it. Any Amit please do not stop it, continue.....
The philosophy - prose - math of chess has never ever been so elegantly been recited, like Amit you do here, at about minute 38. Incredible.
Another great episode, Amit. The back-and-forth between you two regarding the AI issue was very delightful to listen in. I would second the recommendation of 'Frankenstein' by Mary Shelley. Amazing book.
But, I would diagree with you Amit, regarding the dismissal of Shelley, Byron, Keats as 'not even good poets'. I love Mark Strand and I agree with you that he is a great poet. Your suggestion of teaching them to students as an introduction to poetry as opposed to the Romantic poets might also be justified. But, dismissing them offhandedly is just plain wrong, whatever parameters one might have of judging poetry and its influence.
Anyway, I really enjoyed the discussion and would be looking forward for the next episode.
6:52 A mystical feline void appears
Next episode should be linked with the prev episode, whenever available. It is otherwise difficut to find if someone is trying to binge watch :). Alternatively a play list can be made.
Hi Amit, it's good to “See" the podcast,TSATU is my favourite no doubt,loved the smile and Mark,the conversation was enlightening, given the current scare around AI.The next topic I would like to hear is about sustainable development of our society ..hope you make an episode on it.
Thanks a lot Amit … we love your seen and the unseen and the choice of your guests and tour ability to articulate the unseen. And pragmatic Mr shah. Looking forward to longer versions on RUclips as well. All the best.
30:15 Beautiful episode.
Years and years of practice in one’s own craft doesn’t only make you better at it, but also makes you feel secure about it. Anyone who says that AI will kill creativity isn’t secure in his own work of art.
I agree with Gaurav’s point too, nothing is original and it reminded me of the talk what the future will be like by Jacque Fresco.
Amit Varma is a giving tree. And I am grateful that we have him in our world.
Listeners would note, apparently. (59:05) Who is this man along with Ajay?
I cannot believe Ajay loves masala chai! He is such a strict man (my assessment is based on listening to him speak on a great podcast, the name of which is unseen to me presently) but in episode 1 it was a revelation that he is deep into music. Now chai. Thank you to Ajay and this other man for giving us so much! I won’t pretend I understood everything on chess or AI, but the fog is a bit less foggy now. Much love.
Wonderful episode. I also loved that the cat let itself in and you decided to include a quote for the occasions 😂
' The intellect ( read machine intelligence ) has little to do with the voyage to discovery. There comes a leap in consciousness, call it intuition ( read human intelligence ) or what you will and the solution comes to you and you do not know how or why. '
- A. Einstein
This in the master''s words, providing us with a rare glimpse into the workings of his own mind is what Ajay was trying to tell Amit with the repeated reference to Relativity.
The current excitement in A.I is not the road that leads to a revolutionary understanding in the workings of the human mind. That too in time will be known, just that it'll be a new paradigm of which we haven't the slightest inkling today.
Mention the term 'consciousness' to the computational neuroscience community and they will look the other way. We are not even at the outer edges of this mystery.
Btw to Ajay: For most researchers the mind is a phenomenon at the classical and not quantum level. Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have proposed a quantum model with structures called microubules where the Quantum action is likely.
Books by R. Penrose: 'The Emperor's New Mind' and the other book is 'Shadow's of the Mind'.
Classical vs quantum foundations for the mind? Yes nonlinear mathematics could generate all kinds of magic.
I find it fascinating that there is quantum mechanics at the foundations of photosynthesis. And thats a pretty trivial operation when compared with the mind.
Nannari or Sarsaparilla syrup is also essential ingredient of the mythical Kozhikode kulukki Sarbath ( for a typical & famous sample go to the Milk Sarbath shop under the railway bridge near Paragon hotel, Kozhikkode FYI). B
tw great show keen to see where all u go with this, me thinks 🙏🏽
Einstein's Special theory of relativity was an extension of the work done by Maxwell, Lorentz...Poincare. In a way, it was a derivative.
Would an LLM trained on the texts of Maxwell Lorentz Poincare be able to come up with special relativity? I think not.
Amazing . I am a Fan of Dr Ajay Shah
Good episode! I need to catch up on the new episodes.. keep going
6:52 - Cat!
I stumbled on this video purely by chance. So many thoughts buzz in the mind. One - what courses do you teach and how do I explore them? Two - it was a fascinating discussion and I am going to look for episode 1. Having said that, I lost you a few times. I’m sure you mean your target audience to be more specialised (?) in their knowledge. But I’d love it if you also gave some consideration to the level 2 folk hoping to reach level 3 - without the benefit of machines! I’m one of those who likes a human to answer my questions! I know Google can - perhaps! But, what is LLM? To me that used to mean a masters degree in law!😂
And yes, I’m very grateful for autocorrect most of the time though I like to proof read my own work! Much like I prefer to double check my math on paper after using a calculator. Old fashioned, old fogey, call it what you like! At least, my mistakes will be MY mistakes!
Looking forward to episode 3!
Large Language Models.. this is what ChatGPT is.
the "AI" reads a lot of text and makes a huge internal model of how the language is used. using that model, it can generate new text.
so its just auto-correct on steroids.
@@menoutube thank you!
Great episode..
While thinking of suggestions for more episodes, my mind automatically goes to economics or statecraft but you both have already produced a lot of work on this.
Both of you have a variety of interests and rich personal lives which include travel and wide reading and producing a lot of written and spoken works... Would you consider discussing something more practical and down to earth? Could you discuss things like daily routines? work-life balance? productivity? passion? balancing family, work, hobbies while also making money and surviving capitalism?
maybe the next generation could learn something new.
It's great to explore Ajay! Thank you Amit!
Hi, Having spoken about Newton in the previous epide, I wonder if you would consider devoting an entire episode or a part of an episode talking about Thomas Alva Edison,inventor and entrepreneur of a kind unheard of before.
My second suggestion is about Madam Curie and Peter Curie. I gather that the household had 5 nobels. Something about her lineage ,upbringing,meeting Peter and research etc.
Although you both tuched upon this which I am about to suggest, The Advantages & Disadvantages of being Imperfect,that the concept of Perfection in the case of AI too is misleading and distorted. The idea of Mastery or master or Maestroe. I would say this points to rich imagination and not the boss on a specific area of human knowledge. We have these fake labels in the Uni system like Bachelor of so and so (?). What the hell is a bachelor ? Greenhorn acknowledged by the Uni exam which is bullshit Or for that matter the Master of Arts...M.A. or M.S. We are aware that these half-baked university written exams or viva by so-called expert committees granting Ph.Ds... These then taking up lecturer's job at a college and teaching and producing so-called bachelors... We aped the British without really matching the level of real knowledge as bachelors or master of Arts,Science,Commerce...
I leave you here....thanks for illuminating conversation about AI. I suppose the limitation of hunans is the limitation of the machines. Either they understand one another or not at all. Generallly people everywhere use the computer to type,cut,copy paste etc,not for any other useful function.
Ajay is a class apart.
पता नहीं आपने क्या बातें की लेकिन बहुत अच्छा लगा।
Great episode. Mark did great ❤️
Even though I've known Amit as the TSATU creator for close to half a decade, there's a part of me going "abey, apne Amit ne bhi ek RUclips show nikaala hai!," as though he were somebody I knew from school.
The relationship between a podcaster (at least one that does 8 hour episodes) and their audience can be really weird.
Hi Amit, I am a fan and I have heard a number of your episodes of the seen and the unseen. These two episodes were great, I liked knowing about AI. A Subject that you could talk about is Global Warming, and is there any technological way with which these problems could go away and we could live happily ever after?
FASCINATING! And the camera against light what a brilliant cutting edge idea 😅
I’m surprised you did not mention the need for AGI to cohabit with humans purely for the purpose of receiving data, that is largely generated by humans only. Without a constant feed of data, AI or AGI can wither away. So it will require human activity, human curiosity, human desires, human purpose, human decisions, human conditions, and so on and so forth. A singularity may actually be stupid.
Brilliant, as always.
What's the name of the black cat seen around 8 mins into the video?
Nevermind! The name of the cat is Mark. Hi Mark 👋
Mark.
Kafi thehraav
Hi, do an episode on the evolution of religion in humankind. Thanks
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In essence the song means.. the world is here, where are you
Sharada University
Ray Kurzweil!!!!!!
Good content but amateur production value.
As @amitvarma said production shouldn’t hinder your productivity
What improvements on production value come to your mind?