RANT: Why Most Cycling Shoes Suck (Looking for the perfect Alternative Cycling Shoe!)
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Some audio hiccups in the first few seconds but then goes away.
I'm just imagining there was cursing in the background that you all had to bleep
Maybe checkout some Altra Trailrunners or the Innov-8 g 270? Both zero drop
Russ, have you tried the Pedaling Innovations Catalyst Pedals? I've bought them for my Rawland rSogn and love them! They are larger than the standard flat pedal, providing more stability for your foot and better power transfer and don't require the shoes to be as stiff in the sole because the pedal provides the support for your foot and not the shoe. Would be great to see you do a review of these! pedalinginnovations.com/
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@@PathLessPedaledTV I'll try, depends on the timing...I'm in Sydney Australia. Keep up the great work you do!
We need to convince Altra to make a cycling shoe. And not just for men, and not just in the US.
Totally. I am now riding Altra MT 1.5 (?) trail running shoes that have a very firm rock plate and a firmer, thinner midsole and Vibram outersole. One of the great things, besides the big toe box, is that the grip is really good, both on the pedal, and on the ground if one has to put a foot down.
I was getting tired of the toe-crunching of the Columbia's I was using for cycling so I decided to try out my Altra Lone Peak 4.0's and immediately felt better in the toes. I've been using the Lone Peaks ever since. Haven't noticed any wear and tear on the bottoms from the pedal pins. Might have to check out the Altra MT's.
Agreed. When I'm not riding I'm in Altras or Xeros. Really would like to see a sturdy flat pedal shoe with a wide toebox and zero drop, as transition from first mention footwear to my riding shoes it definitely feels cramped.
I’m using the Lone Peak 4 because it’s what I had. I have no plans to change.
I ride in Altra Lone Peak 4's. I am often on and off the bike (pushing it, or leaving the bike to hike or walk places). Its a great combo that works for me because Lone Peaks are my favorite hiking/walking shoe and they work great on a bike. They arn't overly torn up by the traction pins.
As much as I love a light breathable shoe, I'm very thankful to have been wearing a pair of overbuilt freeriders when I crashed my gravel bike 2 miles into a planned 45 mile commute. It wasn't until 2 days later when I got out of surgery that I noticed the knuckle of my toes were black and blue on my right foot. If it wasn't for the reinforced rubber toecap and stiffer material on the shoes, probably would have broken my toes too. Still riding the same undamaged pair today, however the rest of my clothing disintegrated or otherwise melted to my flesh. For the one person who might read this, I had a chain drop during a downhill sprint in the highest gear.
As a very old cyclist, I gave up on spd shoes and pedals nearly 20 years ago because they gave me foot burn on long rides; but when I tried to find ‘old fashioned’ cycling shoes for clips and straps they had disappeared from the marketplace. In my subsequent search for a replacement shoe for flat pedals I came across the Camper ‘peu’ shoe. This is an ultra lightweight, foot shaped, shoe with a leather upper and a rubber (composition of some kind) that I found perfect for flat pedal cycling, even with when using clips and straps. Although the sole is thin, the design of the shoe distributes the rider’s weight evenly across the pedal. They are super comfortable for walking, and with elastic laces can be taken on and off with minimal fuss. The uppers can be waterproofed with grease (called ‘dubbing’ in the UK) if you buy the version with a suede upper. They can be expensive, but Camper runs frequent on-line sales, or you can find bargains on ebay. I usually get about 3 years wear from a pair used for walking and cycling - and I do a lot of cycling. A 100 mile ride on mixed terrain is no problem at all. Cheers for all your splendid videos!
Have a look at William Lennon. They are an old fashioned hand maker of boots in the UK. They also have a range of proper old fashioned leather cycling shoes. Might be the type of thing you were looking for.
Try the Camper Peu Pista, the tough weather version. Tey have Gore Tex liner but the most important thing is that the sole is much thicker, with a grippier and tougher rubber compound and much more rigid. I find them perfect for flat pedals.
Canvas Vans. I ride in Old Skools, great all around support, lightweight, breathable, durable, excellent grip because they’re made for gripping onto slippery skateboards.
I'm trying to imagine the shoe that makes a vans seem "lightweight" an "durable"
Riding in skate shoes works pretty well but once they're broken in I find I can feel every pin and lump or bump on my pedals through the sole. Vans do make dedicated BMX shoes though so those might be just right.
Pararadis Sy Definitely lighter than those dedicated flat pedal Five Ten shoes. And cheaper, like 1/2 the price.
@@jp93309 Facts vans are wayyy lighter than any mtb shoe I've ever used. Xc mtb race shoes are probably lighter, not very walkable or casual though.
I's still cycling over in Thailand and after getting my shoes soaked in the rain multiple times I tried a pair of Keen H2 sandals and haven't worn anything else since. They have a great sole, open breathable top, have a foot shape, and can be loosened up or tightened depending on what you need at the time. There is also a Targhee sandal (couldn't find one) that probably has a slightly stiffer sole.
Yes! Another vote for keen!
Steve Lodewick I’ve worn these year round by just adding thick wool socks (they loosen up a huge amount). In the rain they’re the best since they dry in a short time. Pins will chew at the sole, but it takes a couple of years of daily riding to have a real impact.
KEEN - Yes... Keen sandals with very light ankle high socks to wick the sweat away from the sole. They are actually cooler with socks than without.
I love cycling in my Keens in the summer. I used to have a pair of Merrell Water Pro's that were perfect cycling shoes for flats.
Toured Kyushu with my Keens. Foot shaped. Stiffer than average. Cool. Easy to pull off when going into temples, tho that's maybe not an issue in Montana.
I always rode in VANS but now I've switched to FIVE TEN "SLEUTH" slip-ons and I love them! They look like house slippers but work very well.
So, is the foot-shape a thing because you find the middle area too skinny? I have the opposite problem, I have rather narrow feet, and even shoes that are reviewed as being more narrow fit me kinda loose. I have a pair of 5.10 Kestrel BOA, and I love them, but they are still kinda wide.
I really enjoyed this, thanks. As a reformed road cyclist and triathlete I’ve always found the shoe problem taxing; I’d love a shoe that was good for cycling and trail running, but finding something stiff enough for one and flexible enough for the other feels like searching for unicorn poop. Altra trail shoes are a good call, but I’d be worried about ripping up those expensive kicks with some grippy pins. Thanks for everything you do, you really are a force for good.
I have been on the same “sole searching” journey, and finally settled on Merrell Vapor Gloves in combination with huge Catalyst Pedals from Pedal Innovations. I realized that I wanted to wear normal shoes that work both on and off the bike, and cycling specific shoes are never wide enough. I have been wearing supple foot-shaped minimalist shoes for years and didn’t want to give them up while on the bike. So I found the solution in changing my pedals rather than my shoes. I hunted for the longest flat pedal that I could find that would support my whole foot as though I were standing on the ground. I am thrilled with the Catalyst pedals. They are long enough to support your foot from ball to heel, but not wiser than traditional pedals. I can now wear any of my minimalist shoes, or even my Rothys, to bike in. I tend to ride with the crank closer to the arch of my foot now (scooted seat forward a bit) and it really helps with hill climbs and all-day riding comfort.
I recently started cycling in the Keen Solr sandal, which Keen lists both as a hiking sandal and a water shoe. They aren't light (mine currently weigh 366 grams each for size 11, some of that is probably dust). But they are breathable, great to walk in, more than stiff enough for cycling, and do fine with water. I haven't forded a river in them but wouldn't hesitate to do so. I've done 70-mile days on gravel with them and been happy all day. Unfortunately after about 500 miles I can see that the soles are starting to get torn up by my pedals. It isn't terrible but there is visible wear. Not sure how long they will last. At $110 MSRP I would need to get at least a couple seasons out of them to justify the cost. We'll see.
I've been on this journey with you. Glad you are talking about it. I switched to flats and have been mostly using xeroshoes I have four types or my pair of new balance minimal trail runners.
Those work really well for me. I don't use my mtb pin pedals though. I switched to odyssey twisted flats on every bike. Cheap and contoured platform. The thin sole let's your feet really set into the pedal.
I'm glad I switched after years of clipless. I really think I'll only ride clipless in the winter. Hike a bike is way better in these shoes. The fault you mentioned with thin ness is probably true of all of the main minimal shoe makers. Those lems trailhead will probably be my next go.
@Path Less Pedaled, what's your take on the recent Adidas Velosamba? they seem to be the newer to this gap in the market
Russ, I would be very curious to hear what you would think about other minimalist shoes. I wear Xero Shoes Xcursions, which do run a bit hot but are otherwise quite grippy and have, for minimalist shoes, a relatively rigid sole. I didn't get the Xcursions with biking in mind- if I were doing that I would try the Mesa Trails, also from Xero.
P.S. I would also love to see you try, and report on, the Catalyst Pedals (did I see those on the Kona Libre Aluminum you recently reviewed?)
I appreciate your work!
I had to settle for the Five Ten Freeriders. To deal with the narrow toebox issue I sized up a whole size. Still not ideal, but passable. I switched 100% to minimalist shoes for every day and running a few years ago, and getting back into mountain biking that was a real concern.
I own several pairs of Lems, and have ridden some in my Boulder Boots, but they're not quite enough protection for mountain biking. I wouldn't mind them for casual riding though.
Have you tried Pedaling Innovations pedals? They pretty much address the "not enough structure" shoe issue because they catch part of your heal as well as forefoot.
Is there such a thing as some kind of rigid insole to provide some stiffness that could be removed for walking?
Have you tried riding in lowcut Keen street shoes or Teva sport sandals? I would think they would meet your needs well for gravel riding... (I wear both all of the time around town using toe clips and straps.)
Interesting video Russ. As a runner, my retired running shoes turn into my cycling shoes. But, I am always open to trying something else. I may even have to give the Crocs a try!
have you tried Altras or Topos? the have wide toebox and I find them comfy.
Have tried Altra Lone Peaks in the past. I found that the mesh tore pretty easily.
Been waiting for this shoe video! Awesome work as always!
I'm interested in what works for Laura. I cycle in my Teva sandals mostly. Am looking at Van's for fall.
I'm a Keen H2 guy. Just did the Whitefish Tamarack loop in them. I'm always on the look out for a better shoe. Thanks for the video.
+1 for me. TransAm, ST and beyond in Commuters (heavy but spd). They needed some stitch reinforcement but very breathable. Throw a paid of neoprene toe covers and merino socks into the mix and I am ready to roll.
I respect that you do you man. I'm all for testing different kit, personally I prefer being clipped in which instantly means I have to run cycling shoes. Yet another hang-up from many years of riding on road
have u tried wide variant of cycling shoes? most people really confused about shape of feet
Look at your foot. Look at the shape of most shoes. Usually not the same profile. www.lemsshoes.com/pages/natural-foot-shaped-shoes
I highly recommend Birkenstock shoes for riding your bike. As comfortable as Crocs but with a stiffer sole. Most people only know their sandals but they produce a wide range of nice looking 'proper' shoes for all occasions. It's worth having a look.
Correct! Did 2000k with them in Asia, Dinant- Barcelona and Rome to the North of France. Took some Sidi MTB shoes with me in Europe and wore them maybe 25% of the time. Birkenstock are the way forward.
Wow! Cool. Thanks.
@@valeriegeeraerts2420 thanks for sharing, Your comment made me check them out.. I'll be purchasing now!
My problem is that in size 15, my birkis are so wide they get caught on the chainstays and hit my chain. The search continues….
I bought a pair of Altra Lone Peak 4's specifically for a gravel adventure where I opted for flat pedals. Maybe you should check out their line of shoes. I like them in that capacity. Or you could just drill "speed holes" in Birkenstock clogs! Felix Starck used them quit a bit, if not exclusively in his documentary "Pedal the World."
Have you tried the adidas velosamba?
Its just a cycling version of the samba with a stiff plate in the sole with spd mounting
It’s narrow and has cleats. I’m looking for wide and flat.
What about Altra trail shoes? Famous for being foot-shapped and zero drop ✨
I'm sure you're going to get tons of suggestions here but I ride in Astral shoes a lot. Bonus for them is that they are made to have great traction on wet rocks. Also, maybe look into the climbing world for a light approach shoe. Something like the evolv cruzer might work great.
I regularly ride gravel and mountain stuff in my Cruzers and they work great; sticky on the pedals and on the trail when you need to hike a bike.
Been eyeing those!
I've been wearing Astral Brewers for mountain biking around the midwest and blue ridge mountains all summer. Best I've tried yet! Loyaks have been great for more leisurely/paved riding, which is awesome since I wear them all the time anyway. Not the widest toebox ever, but wide enough that I don't think about them.
Me watching the video before the 06:20 mark "He should check out Lems!"
Russ: Checks out Lems
I think lems are made in Montana too!
@@chrisbrookshire861 I'm pretty sure Keen does, I think they're called the Commuter Bike Sandal
Lems are made in Boulder Colorado. Love Lems!!!
@@shorelinerach01 Sorry, but Lems are made in China. Says so right on the label inside.
Following your journey. Right now I am wearing through a two pairs of Altra Lone Peaks with an orthotic insert. They had failed for me as a hiker, but have excelled this summer flat pedal shoe. And those digital kitchen scales not just for baking.
Have you considered bigger pedals with the lens?
Have you ridden the Lens with the catalyst pedals ?
I had the SPD version of the Chrome shoes. I couldn't deal. The back portion would tear up my heel every time because it's so thin. Now I just wear Vans with flat pedals. They're flat, the waffle sole is proven in skateboarding and BMX and a fresh pair costs $50.
Great topic. I have a couple pair of xero shoes that I love for day to day. I pulled the superfeet green insoles out of my hiking boots and stuffed them in there for a little stiffness. I love the combination and the sole shows no wear from the metal pins on the pedals. Minimal, comfy and holding up great so far.
I love riding in the 5.10 Access. The “approach” shoes have a slim stack, grippy but durable rubber, and are much lighter than the dedicated 5.10 mtb shoes.
I am looking for clipless shoes and I have different problem - heel slippage.
I've been using the Shimano CT-5 shoe for about 2 years, commuting with them to work every single day, walking to get lunch and also going to gym and working out with them. It is the most comfortable shoe I've ever had. I've also done a 4 day bikepacking trip with a few hours of hiking on very uneven terrain thrown in and the shoe did it fine. I like the shoe so much that I bought another pair. I also own 5 Ten Freerider shoes to ride the Enduro MTB on more technical stuff and Fizik Infinito x1 for serious XC riding but the Shimano CT-5 takes the cake overall.
I actually ride all summer in my Chaco sandals. They hold to my feet really well, and enough of a footbed to give me protection from the flat pedal grips.
Hi russ, have you ever tried Shimano SD5 sandals ? . I found them quite cool , breathable and convenience.
Are there any shoes or system around for traveling - meaning to cycle clipped in and stop for walking / sightseeing without changing shoes. A kind of clip system witch hide inside the sole while walking. From what I have found so far you can either cycle clipped in and have to change shoes whenever you want to visit a sight walking or you have to miss cycling with clipps but use one pair of shoes for cycling and walking (just as it is your theme in you video). If you have a hint or a video I would appreciate it!
Great channel, by the way - many thanks.
Russ agrees with many others who say there is no advantage for most riders in clipping in. If you disagree, then Shimano Pedaling Dynamics (SPD), Crank Brothers Eggbeaters, or Time ATAC's do what you ask, right?
You missed a category that I typically use though I don't have favorite and offering changes yearly: casual cleated shoes with recessed (typically SPD) cleat, typically comes with cleat cover. Advantage of this category for me is that most of them have sole stiffness just right (maybe engineering need to mount a cleat requires it). Also, most of them are more ergonomically shaped (though for traditionalists with the feet fitting the specs, old cramped fashion models do exist too). Most of them are reasonably light too.
+1 - I really need the stiff sole for all-day mountain rides. I am running some older Pearl Izumi "touring shoes" (which is no longer made... but they have others that are similar like the Men's X-ALP Canyon). Recessed cleats with cover, good breathable mesh, good foot shape and comfortable toe box (for me anyway), and comfortable for walking too. Sole is tough enough to stand up the steel pins of flat pedals. Also, a tough outer edges of the sole so hike-a-bike in sharp rocks is OK and you have all the foot support you need for not get "foot fatigue" -
Five Ten Trail Cross LT is the shoe you’re looking for...they are great
Yep. This is seriously the perfect shoe for me (other than being kind of expensive) and sounds like what you're looking for.
Jepp, they are wonderful! Just don’t get the mid version they get very sweaty only around the ankle because of the d3o material there.
That's what I use. It's about the best flat pedal bike shoe I've found. I just wish it didn't look so much like a skate shoe or loafer.
@@christocr I think my black Trail Cross look more like applebee waiter shoes. ;)
@@SeanKWhite-lk5zf Ha, yeah, that too!
what about shoes that are built for wide feet like the Lake MX 238?
Still not foot shaped. Marginally wider.
In the summer of 2019 I rode across the country in a pair of crocs and absolutely loved them! My usual go to bikepacking shoes are the La Sportiva Bushidos trail runners that are stiff, lightweight, and can hike well. I've also had great success with using approach shoes (like the La Sportiva TX2) for mountain biking as they have stiff, grippy soles and tend to lightweight and breathable. The main downside with approach shoes I've found is that they have zero traction in muddy hike-a-bike sections that are common up in Alaska. In the winter I'll use mountaineering boots on my fat bike and if it's really cold I'll stuff my ski book liners in some studded, insulated overboots (like the Neos Navigatiors) and my toes will stay toasty down to -30f!
Excellent video.
I didn't used to think footwear choice was an interesting topic. But I've changed my mind.
I rode clipless for decades - at least 25 years - and was completely bought in to the stiff, cycling-specific shoe philosophy. I loved them. Apart from setting up cleats, which always took forever to get just right.
About 18 months ago I got frustrated fiddling with the cleats on some new shoes and decided to throw on some flat pedals. It turned out to be pretty awesome.
The main thing is shoes don't seem to matter any more. I've ridden everything from proper Shimano MTB shoes to some cheap but fairly light hiking boots from a big box sports store. Frankly, apart from when it gets very hot, I think I prefer the boots. More grippy if I have to hike up a bit of trail, and lots of protection.
If you'd asked me 2 years ago, I'd have laughed at the idea of flats. But these days I reckon they're the bees knees. AND you can wear whatever you like on your feet.
That's my opinion anyway. Your mileage, as they say, may differ.
Cheers
Have you tried the LiteRide clog by Crocs? (not the LiteRide Croc tennis-shoe) I recently got a pair for recovery from a foot issue and will be riding in them as I transition back into riding. They have the Crocs-classic wide toe box. They have more mesh vent. They're open at the ankle & have a heal-strap, like crocs-classics. They're super comfy, & they're closed-toed.
I keep gluing my Keen cycling spd sandals back together...love those. Now using Exustar sandals
that have toe protection. For flat pedals I use Asics trail running shoes.
Very timely video, Russ. Just 2 days ago I ordered a pair of flat pedals to put on my road bike. Yes, flat pedals on my road bike. Heresy I know. So I've been trying to decide what shoes to wear with my new flat pedals. Right now I'm leaning towards Vans.
Have you looked at the Xero shoes. They could have similar problems as the Lems with not being still enough. The Mesa trail may fit the ticket. I have biked in my worn out Altra Lone Peaks and the work well as they dont have the EVA foam on the bottom, but brand new the lugs are pretty aggressive for cycling.
I switch back and forth pretty frequently between clipless and flats, but when riding flats my go-to shoes are a pair of Keen light hikers. I have no idea what they weigh, but they are plenty wide, the sole is a little stiffer than running shoes, and tough enough to handle the traction pins. And they are great for walking when off the bike.
I use Pearl Izumi Drift 5787's: mesh uppers so they are pretty cool (too cool some mornings, hello neoprene booty), light, fit my foot, could use a touch more padding. After 3500+ gravel and road miles, my only real complaint is that I start to get blisters after 7-10 hours riding in them.
My wife uses Pearl Izumi X-Road Fuel II's. They are essentially a trail running shoe with a stiff plate and a 2-bolt mount, she loves them and rides 90+% of the time on the flat side of her pedals, they have a similar weight to her Hoka Cliftons. This may be the shoe you are seeking, or at least very close (current is V5 ) REI carries them (or at least used to).
She also has a pair of Keen cycling sandals (they unfortunately quit making) that she also loves, though they are a little heavy for my taste.
My younger son rides flats and clips (yes actual toe clips) with Giro Rumble VR's with Vibram soles, they are essentially a light hiking shoe for cycling. Weigh about the same as my Vasque waterproof hiking shoes and he goes 2 sizes larger.
For me, my feet run narrow and long (ironically shaped like a standard road shoe, LOL), shoes that are wide across the toes (like Keen, Merrell, New Balance, Hoka) tend to be waaaay too wide for me. When I hear someone say "Wide Toe Box", I hear "I'm going to get some nasty blisters if I wear those" I will even buy women's versions of some running shoes because they tend to run a little narrower and fit better. (and have better colors, tbh)
Cheers
Does zero drop effect cycling? It seems like it should just be the ball of your foot on the pedal
I suffer from hot feet too so I've been using the Keen Commuter sandals clipless for a couple years. Don't think they are grippy enough for flat pedals but haven't tried them with flats
Great video I have been on the same quest as my toes spread out a lot and I used to get numb toes all the time. I am using Altra Timp 1.5 when on flat pedals: zero drop, big toe box and quite stiff soles plus the sole stands up well to pedal pins. Last year I rode PBP in them. - For clipless I recommend Lake shoes. They have different lasts, i.e. shoe "molds" - you want their "Competition" last e.g. CX1 CARBON as it has a big toe box and not too tight in the middle or heel. Just my 2 c.
I’ve been cycling in Teva hiking sandals for two summers now and they’re wonderful with MKS lambda pedals. Extremely comfortable, fairly stiff for cycling, and the sole is very grippy and durable. If it’s a bit cold, merino or waterproof socks will take the edge off
I wonder if there are any wider approach shoes. Like trail runners, but more rubber for scrambling on rock, even a little bit of rock climbing. Or a meshy hiking shoe (not a trail runner) that has proper rubber on the outsole vs EVA foam
Yes thank you!! I have also been on the search for the perfect cycling shoe and also, have yet to find them. Btw we LOVE Lems! Rode their Primal 2s for the first half of our trip. But the sole is pretty thin.
Is the chukka breathable? Great vid!
Can you use trail running shoes for cycling like the Reebok Ridgerider???
Depends on the sole.
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Then yes.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Thank you very much.
For flat pedals Adidas Samba, presently I'm searching for a clipless pedal with wider foot bed and I've found that some companies are creating wider footbeds I've found Lake, Bont (which can be thermo molded to your foot), Giro and even Shimano. They are all fairly expensive though. The majority of them are fairly busy on the looks department and only a few come with laces which I prefer.
My 2 choices are both clip-less but for my hard to fit feet, these have worked well for me.
#1- Sidi Mega Dominator MTB shoes which are heavy, I admit but very comfortable and extremely durable even in hot tropical weather. Over the last 20 years I have ridden more than 70000 k in them, much of that in southern Thailand and with appropriate socks have never had heat related issues with my feet nor with the 3 pairs of these shoes that I’ve owned, have I had other foot problems such as cramping and burning sensations.
I must also mention that I ride off and on road using Time Attac pedals.
#2 - Keen MTB sandals which, admittedly, are a bit heavy but, like most Keen foot wear are shaped like the average human foot and have a very comfortable, supportive foot bed. These are not great for extended rides but for a couple of hours, during monsoon season they are amazing,
I’m an old guy of almost 66 years and I stick with things that work for me.
I'm using Altra Lone Peaks right now, and reasonably happy. Zero drop, 25mm thick sole. Lace management is an issue though. I'm about ready to try designing my own shoes.
Same here. Bought them for backpacking, but they're nice for biking too.
@@SuperGfei Yep on the Altra or really any trail running shoe as it just makes sense for adventure biking.
I got some Teva shoes last year and my toes started actually bleeding from casual walks over an hour, so I finally got into the natural foot shape stuff. Got a pair of SOM (Sense of Motion) and they are super comfy although I'm still adjusting to the zero drop. Still gotta try them out on the bike
Five Ten has a model called "trailcross" they released this year, supposed to be a dual purpose hike & bike shoe. Just ordered a pair, have high hopes...
I came to say the same thing. I've been riding then all season and I really like them. Way lighter than my Shimano AM7s, and much cooler too.
Had mine all season also and love them. They are a little skinny though not bad but might not work for a wide foot.
@@marketmavin3890 I have large feet that are pretty wide, and I'm happy with them, though I'm at the limit of width, and wearing the biggest size they make. There isn't any extra length, so those with normal human size feet could probably size up half a size and get some extra space.
Have the trailcross and think they're great. Basically an Adidas trail running shoe with Five Ten sole. For clipless the Shimano downhill shoe is great, especially if you like a wide toe box.
@@JeromeBergquist Ha I wear a 13 too! Sounds like Russ likes his shoes sloppy and these are a more form fitting. It checks all my boxes though!
I recently got a used pair of spikeless golf shoes for cycling and have been using them with mostly better results than my trail runners or my Chrome sneakers. Most are fairly structured and supportive through the mid foot, which can be beefed up with a rigid insole. Lots of brands make wide and extra wide sizes. There are also some meshier minimalist models out there that I haven't tried yet.
Something people don't really mention enough when talking about shoes is how easily you can slip in and out of them and how they retain their hold onto your foot. Ideally you want a shoe that's easy to slip in and out of without having any risk of it just flopping off of your foot when you don't want it to.
It was the first thing I've noticed after my first ride with the 5-10 freerider I got compared to the normal street shoes I rode with before. This is important, in my opinion at least, since due to the nature of cycling, foot injuries should be quite a bit more likely than in non-cycling activities. And having a shoe that can be easily removed by a paramedic makes things just easier for everyone involved. I'm not sure if this was an intentional design decision by the design team at 5-10 but it is going to be something I'll be looking out for when buying "cycling" shoes in the future.
And considering how clipless shoes are designed however, I don't think "health" was even an afterthought. They look even less comfortable than the cheap chinese "plastic pretending to be leather"-trash I've seen in discounter stores.
Have you tried Vivo Barefoots? or Keen's hiking sandals?
What about indoor soccer shoes?
Or a lighter hardcourt Tennis shoe? Most of these will be in the weight range of the five ten, but you may be able to find a lighter version, and the upper may be more breathable.
Can't believe I forgot that Merrell makes (made?) Commuter cycling shoes. I actually have a pair of the roust ones. A quick search on Amazon revealed a few variations still available.
Hi Rus, as a chiropractor and applied kinesiologist, people have different size feet some are wider and actually some people have narrow feet that looks like 'industrial design shoe". But as people age and your arches and support from muscles and ligaments support less of your body's weight and stress the feet becomes wider. Like in the Runner's world there's two philosophy minimalist(forefood) strikers, and the opposite is heel strike the one your wear from Hoka that is the more supportive shoe, I actually recommend a more supportive cycling shoe but wider the the forefoot for the size of your feet or you can work on your feet and strengthen them and make them a little more narrow to fit most shoes. i.e. The yoga pose virasana kneeling with the block between your feet and squeezing your ankles into the block and doing heel lifts on a stair step or off a curb.
Don't the Crocs soles get chewed up by flat pedals?
Not as quickly as you would think.
Hey Russ, I know that this video is a bit old but have you tried leatt 1.0 flat shoe?
They are fairly light, comfy for most off bike activities, comfy to walk in, zero drop and with flat pedal grip almost comparable to the freeriders.
And yes, they are shaped like a foot :)
Have you tried approach styled hiking shoes? Theyre pretty lightweight, have a really grippy sole, supportive and having hiking boot features like waterproofing.
They can be expensive and do run a little snug because they’re meant for climbers
Altra Lone Peak 4. I started riding a year and a half ago and was really confused on what shoe to buy. In the meantime while I was trying to pick out a shoe I just used my worn out pair of long peak 4’s. After nearly 4000 miles of trail, and gravel including the Midsouth 100 mud I am still wearing them and I cannot tell that they’re any worse for wears. They are lite, fit my feet really well, dry out fast and the soles have held up well against the monstrous pins in my OneUp peddles.
Great topic. I am going through this now. I agree with you that there is no ideal solution for touring and chill multi-surface riding. When backpacking I just bring a second pair of light shoes with elastic laces for slip-on and put them in a convenient place. It's not great to change shoes but I haven't found another way to do it that works "really" well on and off the bike. One advantage of a second pair is when your cycling shoes get soaked you have a dry pair for camp and other off bike activities. It seems like a waste of space though. Crocs are a step to far in the ugly direction for me :-).
Over a decade ago, specialized had these shoes called sonomas. I lived off my bike, easily 30+ miles a day going to school and working on kitchens. Those were often the only shoes I wore. Rubber was flexible enough to walk in, but hard enough it took over two years to wear down to the cleat. Tried to pick up another pair, but they seemed to be discontinued. I went with specialized tahoes, but the rubber was much softer and barely got 6 months of regular wear out of the. Since then, I haven't found a good cleated shoe that I really like. Been using mtb flat style since.
I use flat pedals and Altra Superiors for bikepacking and Altra Lone Peaks for urban or courier riding. The difference is cushion, the Superiors are minimal cushion and the Lone Peak are standard cushion for pavement. Superiors have a "superior" front tread area when pushing the bike up steep gravel trails. Both are zero drop and the arch is the highest part of the shoe. Both stand up to flat pedals well for me. I'm so in love with those shoes.
Russ, I've been in the exact same search for years and years. Lems saved my feet first, for normal wear, with Primal 2s, about 4 or 5 years ago. I've recently been wearing Astrals while cycling. I wear the Astral Brewers for all kinds of mountain biking, and they've been the best I've worn for that yet. Astral Loyaks for pretty much everything else: casual wear, leisure cycling, commuting, bmx, water sports. They don't have as wide of a toe box as some of the Lems models, but they're wide enough. Check them out!
I ride in Merrell's Trail Glove which is a barefoot trail shoe. Doesn't have a stiff sole, but I get some pretty good stick on my pedal. And they don't weight a ton.
Same here. Mine are close to the years old now and within an inch of their life but still comfortable.
I tried Strayes high top skate shoes and I have a super wide foot... they aren’t as floppy as a croc, and I got the mystery-hi ($30/pair)
They seems slightly wider than Vans, but I’d follow the suggestions on sizing.... kitchen scale says 400g per shoe, but that doesn’t seem correct.
How about lake shoes?
Hey, Russ. Would love for you to do a parallel video for cold season riding.
I've done some riding in my Xero sandals, but I have hella chunky BMX pedals that don't need a shanked shoe to provide enough of a surface. I think I am going to try the SPD sandals too... I like a little bit of wind between my toes.
I bought a pair of biking sandals for clip pedals and swear by them. Great in summer, weather rain or shine!
I am currently wearing the Five Ten crosstrail LT and I think it is getting closer to that running shoe MTB shoe cross. I have never put it on a scale but they feel great, superbly comfortable! Does not have the "foot shape" but they have been great so far.
What about the five ten trail cross?
I always liked the cycling sandals but they have become very difficult to find. I am thinking about going to flats in which case I will likely wear keen sandals.
Coming from another specialized community, I LOVE the Evolv Cruser approach shoes. Low profile, well built, super grippy, and you can always find them on sale for $40-$50. Might be too narrow for your tastes, but give them a look!
My favourite cycling shoe is the Shimano S.P.D sandal,one of the main issues that I have with shoes is inevitably on a multi day trip you get wet and shoes take forever to dry out.
With the sandals you have multiple options for sock thickness or indeed no sock at all, add Porelle socks and or overshoes, instant winter footwear.
Granted they are still heavy but I can live with that.
Have you looked at light weight climbing approach shoes? The approach shoes generally have same type of high grip rubber you find on the 5.10's. There are likely other options to consider, but Evolv has the Cruzer Classic and other options which may be closer to features you are looking for.
Finding shoes has been the hardest thing for me. I have wide feet and that hugely limits my options. I was happy with my 510s for awhile but the lack of arch support led to a lot of foot pain. I barely finished my first century ride solely due to foot pain. I was stopping every 5 miles to roll my foot on a golf ball.
have you tried dropping in an insole?
I use a an older pair of Crocs Swiftwater mesh. Has a firmer sole than standard crocs and a hard rubber toe. It’s a rugged water shoe. It’s the last shoe I used for daily rides before going clipless but still my camp and alt touring shoe. Could be the one. I have the same issues with that wasp-waist shoe shape.The Giro Carbide R II has been one of the few I’ve been able to find in my size (48) that doesn’t pinch and that lets my foot breathe. Three straps, lots of mesh, MTB sole.
I have a wide foot and find most all shoe manufacturers forget about us. Tried all the available bike shoes at the local bike shops and they're all made for pointy toed ppl 🤦♂️
Same issue for me
I also take a wider rounder toed shoe so I never bothered with cycling shoes when I noticed all were pointy toed. Getting bigger sizes just to fit the width doesn't work. Your feet end up shifting up and down the extra length with toes getting jammed part of the time leaving sore and blistered feet. I like my toes healthy. I use the stiffer soled trainers/sneakers (leather made) or leather hiking boots for rainiest days. Running shoes are just too flexible to handle rides more than 20 minutes and my skin can't stand crocs.
Am I the only one that likes to ride in vans?
No, you're not. The vans are very grippy with my flats pedals. ;)
Vans. 👌
I started riding while wearing the canvas Vans
graduated to Adidas Superstars. I use Sambas now
I have no "cycling shoes"...
Which ones? I have some classic Vans - the kinda lowtop converse style ones and as much as I love them; I hate cycling in them. There's so much flex when I push hard out the saddle that they just bend around the pedals and hurt my feet. I have some Etnies Maranas which are more like a skate shoe and those are great. Super comfortable and a pretty rigid sole, which I like.
Vans with my old school MKS toeclip pedals is my go-to for any commuting or general city riding and I would never look for a "replacement". I like specific cycling shoes when I specifically want them, but Vans have always been my daily riding shoe
I share your sentiments on most cycling shoes, however, I recently scooped up a pair of the newer Shimano GR5 flat pedal shoes, and they might be worth a, look! "Foot" shaped, wider toebox, breathable enough, sticky, stiff enough to pedal, soft enough that i don't bring a change of shoes when I commute to work, not boat anchor heavy, and not 5.10 chunky. I've been really happy with them, and they've pretty quickly become the go to.
Been running 5-10 impacts on pinned flats for 2 or 3 years now. Even though they are a downhill shoe they make a good allrounder. Your right they are a trifle heavy though. I wish someone would make a higher quality version of the old Avocet touring shoe from the 80's. Concept was great. Flat bottom, walkable, decently stiff and 3 female grooves mid sole to grab the back rail of a touring pedal. Unfortunatly the quality was on par with WallyWorld bubble gum tennis shoes.
Totally feel you! I have been on the same shoe hunt for a while (with no good results).
I use slip on Vans while riding my MTB for now. Longest ride on them is around 27 miles of Urban/trail Riding. No complaints yet.
Great video, and I couldn't agree more! But a year has passed since...any new ideas? Woul love to hear them!
I agree with your line of thinking that most cycling shoes (and most shoes in general) are constricting and crippling our feet. Picked up a pair of Altra Lone Peaks this spring, and they have been great on the bike. But I just checked, and they are indeed starting to get chewed up. Might only last until the end of next year...
robinheil They don’t last real long on the trail either ;)