I think the difference between the Subaru and Mitsubishi CVT’s when being used off road is not so much that the Mitsubishi works better, but more so that that Subaru has better programming to preserve its own life. So while the Mitsubishi may get you to more places in the short term, it does so at the cost of probably having that CVT die an early death as compared to the Subaru. Regardless, I totally agree with your statement that automakers should not be pairing CVT’s with any vehicles that are targeted towards off road or even soft road use.
Jaroslav Záruba I have owned exactly zero Subaru’s. I have owned a Mitsubishi though...it was a decent car, but that was more than 20 years ago. The remaining models they sell in North America are garbage and their days here are numbered.
Just bought the 2019 Renegade Trailhawk...love it. The new 1.3L Turbo is great, having full torque at much lower RPM's makes a big difference. Massive rebates on them right now. ($8k off). Will be an excellent commuter and forest road runner.
Honda's torque-vectoring AWD system is the bomb compared to many others. Can send up to 70% of power to the rear and split that power to individual wheels. It's essentially the SH-AWD that's in the Acura's. I have it on my Ridgeline and it really works well.
thanks, awesome list! Especially seeing the opel/buick made me happy. I am right now stuck between skoda octavia scout, opel/vauxhall isignia country tourer and vw passat alltrack (coming from austria). It is rather difficult to find a soft roader that is not a SUV and also is allowed to tow 2.2tons (2 Horses). Your videos help A LOT. Thanks so much! Another idea I am missing is the volvo xc70 (maybe you can grab one somehow) or the p90 cross country, seems you didn't have those yet unless I can't find them
baby bronco, whatever toyota has in the works for 2022 sometime and crosstreck are all that i would consider. Great video TFL i love the small cross overs. They are the jimney we can never have.
I have a MB E220D AllTerrain. Softroader might be a stretch but it will handle any dirt road and has an outstanding AWD-system in the 4Matic. With the 45 volt hybridsystem there is plenty of torque when you need it and it does 40 mpg mixed (my mix, 80% 65 mph Hwy, 20% small town). I know the diesel isn't sold in the US and it is a crying shame...
@@mushroomcloud1 I felt the same way until I bought one. My uncle, who is a rancher swore by his as a daily driver to get to and from his property. Does pretty well here in Wyoming.
@@mushroomcloud1 I considered the Jeep but I didn't think it held its resale value as long. I also heard that Subaru fixed the headgasket issue in the 2018 outback generation for an engine that will see me reach 350,000 miles. Lastly, there is safety. They are rated highly and I have a family.
you could have add the mitsu outlander to this list . that will be better than eclipse cross., by means of power and clearance . And it would have been a good competitor with Subaru.
You guys missed an Aussie iconic, that we heavily off-road here in Australia. The Holden Adventra. It's equivalent if not better than the Audi All Road. Tootally underrated, we've wheeled it on our channel for over 7 years now. Incredibly surprising.
Wow I never new they did a commodore crossover. Should look out for them, havent noticed any in nz. Did they come with the v8? because that would be awesome haha
@@moa-wg3bo yup LS1 unfortunately though with the clunky 4L60 gearbox but 100% mechanical driven all gears no chains or belts. Underrated significantly for what it was. Bunch of them driving around in NZ!
@@AllTerrainAction I'll keep an eye out. I'm always on the lookout for quirky old station wagons (I own a 1992 toyota carib myself). I guess I never noticed them because they look so much like a regular commo! Some cool stuff on your channel 👍 love to see people getting stuck right in the tricky stuff with their softroaders
got it. go a little faster. momentum is your friend. pull it up the hill (unless you test a subaru - then none of these apply)(and the outback ultimately did it anyway)
15:20 maybe i need to watch that episode, but why is that jeep tied for #1 if it needed a second person to help push it up? seems like other vehicles higher up handled it with fewer issues
You said don't take the new Explorer ST off road. It has .1 inch more clearance than a couple of the other models at 8.3 which is getting close to the Outback 8.7. It also has the same 'trail' mode.
@@TFLcar So that's why you guys pick on Subaru over and over again and again ?? You think that's the Right way to bash them.....in return. That's Childish.
@@Honestandtruth007 Jeezus dude...TFL went out and bought an Outback themselves to test & compare against the other vehicles. Subaru threw a hissy fit over a bad review from them and took their press cars from them late on evening. Subaru's being childish, not TFL.
Nathaniel Burton It does not. It has an electronically-locking center differential. Just about all AWD cars do. That means torque distribution is divided 50/50 between the front and the rear. That’s all. What matters are front and rear locking differentials. Kia does’t have that.
@@afcgeo882 I understand about front and rear diffs but they said a locking diff but they didn't say what one even if it is electronic it still locks the center and gives 50/50 front to rear
Nathaniel Burton Even cars without an “electronic locking center differential” can swing torque, as needed, front to rear. Some even do it better than a locking diff. For example, the Honda CRV has no locking diff, but can move up to 60% of the torque to the rear, if needed. A locking differential cannot. The Ford Escape can move torque up to 100% to the front or rear.
I wonder if you could lock the center diff, especially on the front bias vehicles if it would be able to handle nearly every forest road or similar and get over some knee high rock gate keepers. Is that the next iteration of these or where the aftermarket will find its niche?
I dont know what these guys have against subarus. The audi all road is great but it DEFINITELY did not "lead the way" for offroading wagons/crossovers. Yes CVTs suck but that's most CVTs. Lift a subaru and put some KO2s on it and itll destroy almost all of these cars with the same setup
Do you guys have any videos on the quadratrac 1 system in the jeep grand Cherokee? I bought an altitude and am curious now reliable this 4x4 system is and been loving your reviews
I’m surprise that even in this list you have never spoken of Skoda (Yeti in particular)? Is it on the market there??? Russians and co. are using it very crazy. By the they your channel and review are very very good! Thumbs up 👍 P.s.: Tesla repair saga: do you had an end or I missed the conclusion?
nathan adlen pity, I supposed it was the problem... in theory a Yeti is a Tiguan for the chassis and power train, but wheels and suspension are lower on the monster.
I'm Looking To Get Either a 2019 RAV4 Adventure, 2017 Murano Platinum AWD, or a 2016 Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring AWD Once My 2016 Mazda MX-5ND is Paid Off...
No, he’s right and right - they are based on Fiats. That said, my 2018 Compass has been fine so far (about 20,000 miles in, half done with my 3 year lease). Indeed, it’s very capable on backroads and a lot of fun to drift in the snow - no surprise given it’s a “baby Jeep”.
Only took my 2019 Alltrack very-Softroading and some decent snow, performed extremely well but I understand it's getting axed so makes sense not to include it...
The best? What are you taking about! New ones maybe….but they need to last and then many of them are simply pieces of crap! Jeep and quality? Few more too. And where is Volvo V60 Cross Country on this list?
Really enjoy your channel, but.... Ya gotta check out the SubScribe channel with videos like Subaru AWD vs. Everyone Else. I have a 2007 Highlander Hybrid CVT that I 98% love. BUT, it will NOT go up a slippery snowy incline, like, my DRIVEWAY! No Way would I consider those two Jeeps #1 and 2! They too lock up the wheels and freeze where they stand. Ya Gotta warn people with All the models that fail simple slippery inclines. Including that Volvo you were raving about, awful handling thing. I miss my Mazda 4WD MPV more every year that goes by. You could lock the front and rear differentials and would outperform the Explorer and Jimmy of its time. The second and third row seats folded flat for a bed, so it was a great little impromptu camper. I could seat eight, I had six kids, instead of the minivan's limit of seven. Had a sturdy chassis, with no squeaks or rattles. I got the kids eight acres and thee horses. So I sold the MPV for a needed Pick Up. Now the kids are gone, and I miss the capable MPV! It's weakness was poor crash ratings, so don't go too fast in one.
@@NathanDAdlen I admit it: I stopped when you got to number one. IMO, any of those Volvos are better than your "number 1 pick" as a "soft-road" vehicle. I like that "softroad" term.
You don’t need lockers or low range to go off-road. You need 3 things. Ground clearance, the right tyres and an excellent traction control/4WD system. With those, lockers and low range aren’t required. Most vehicles have plenty of power/torque without a low range. 4Motion didn’t work fantastic (adjective); It worked fantastically (verb).
...it is no longer for sale in the US; that is my guess why it didn't make the list. 2015 is the last MY available, at least in the States. When everything is working, it and its sibling, the Cayenne, do make great soft-roaders and even a bit more gnarly stuff. Tires are key and it doesn't hurt to have the air suspension either.
@@tylergibson6418 For sure. I have a similar vehicle (4wd station wagon, same-ish clearance as a subie) and its nothing amazing. The lack of low range and low ground clearance are the two biggest factors
Great list TFL! I’m an owner of a 2 inch lifted (soon to be 3.5 inch lifted) 2019 Honda Passport riding on 32’s with a cut front bumper. It has the same simulated 4 low as the trailhawk Jeep renegade and compass, but it has a simulated rear LSD/Locker. I bought it because of what I saw on your reviews of the pilot and Ridgeline, thanks for that! I’m not sure about the Ford Explorer. I’d imagine the new one has the same GKN twinster rear differential as the Ford Expedition you tested, and that failed on gold mine hill, so I’d put the Honda Passport at #2. The Mini Jeeps deserve #1 because of their approach/departure angles.
A guy I work with takes his 4runner offroading regularly on the weekends and is always coming across a crossover that got stuck thinking they had an offroad vehicle lol.
KYDashcam tires Tires do a lot My suv has all seasons A/T My dads jeep commander had AT And my dads explorer has all season. But out of the bunch my dads explorer has gotten stuck. Lmao this one time he got stuck in the snow and couldnt get out, and ahen he did so he didnt get stuck again he used my suv to run it over a couple of times and knock it down. 💀 its tires, look at the tourag they have, and the one lady with the jeep compas that added ground clearance and tires
@@overknight5278 Proper tires do play a big role, but most of the crossovers are stuck at/in water crossings or at spots that require a lot of suspension articulation.
Along with all that others have said, I think it's also probably reasonable to assume the vast majority of those people had no meaningful prior offroading experience as well.
We had a 2002 Allroad. Beautiful car but jesus, the airsuspension was horrible. After that we had a standard A6 with the 2.5 TDI and it ran forever. We sold it with 500.000 km and had no problems at all.
Omg, your bias tires are showing! Your #1 pick of jeep was stupid! You had to literally push that junk car to get it up a hill that many other vehicles on your list managed with aplomb. I like the rest of your list, but could you maybe get some integrity and stop shilling for FCA?
Almost makes you think just how much is Jeep "gifting" these guys? But hey, if they're ok with pushing Jeep sales on their viewers and sticking them with poor quality vehicles...to each their own.
I think they are a little butt hurt over not being allowed to see Subaru's, I think they should have included Subaru on this list somewhere and just say they didn't get a chance to test it and move on. I wouldn't have titled it they way they did.
@@underthelibertytree712 Says who? Roman said it was because TFL damaged two Subaru's on the cliffhanger which went against Subaru's review lending agreement. I wouldn't loan someone a car either if they didn't obey the rules.
Ron Johnson 2 lol that’s preposterous. Jeeps are shiny an fun when new, sure. But good luck with those mechanic bills once the hunk of junk is off warranty.
MCMXC even if the bill is big it’ll never be as big as lets say a luxary car which are also even less reliable But their alright. Id say their close to gm. If you take care of them they’ll last a long time. Plus he uses the jeep b/c a wrangler are made just for off roading and the large community. Which isnt there compared to the 4runner, the off road community there isnt as large (although it is still Large) And the 4runner is to me an all well rounded car, while a jeep has kept its same design and again, purely off road based.
Ron Johnson 2 -> tell that to my bud with a 2015 Wrangler Rubicon with 60,000 miles, currently at the dealer getting $5900 worth of work done. Axle seals, sway bar actuator, a bunch of stuff. That is NOT good quality. You won’t find a 60,000 mile Toyota at the dealer needing anything.
Their #1 vehicles are ones they demonstrated to be _less capable_. Several other vehicles overcame obstacles their #1 Jeep could not do. Obvious bias is obvious
@Ron Johnson 2 Everything FCA (Jeep included) is at the lowest point in every single rankning (Consumer reports, JD power, literally anyone else) of reliability. So no, it really isn't 100% emotion. It's actually the only reasonable stance to take given the available information.
That was ALMOST me today in my 2019 manual crosstrek! It’s been raining tons in northern Wisconsin and today was out doing some national forest backroads. I came around a blind corner and BAM -a section of road that was just logged...huge muddy ruts from the equipment. I learned that Subaru A.W.D. Works just as good in reverse -lol.
I enjoy you guys putting the manufacturers money where their "poser" off road cars are! Subaru won't talk to you anymore, and the RAV4 "adventure " is mostly a styling exercise. Love the series👍😀
I sure miss my Nissan Xterra. Simple, capable, affordable, not the most reliable (neither is Jeep). Had a new 4runner for a year but sold it because I wasn't going off road as much as I used to and need something a little better for normal duty but would still like to hit a dirt road every so often. Thanks for this review.
Do you guys get paid by Jeep? You seem to put them at number 1 often and they don't deserve it. I guarantee that Kia is a more capable off roader than either of those Jeeps.
No longer produced but the freelander 2 (LR2) is really good off-road. I'm surprised you guys only had one small segment on it in the snow. That Renault/dacia duster seems to go almost anywhere.
Did I miss something? Your #1 pick is the Fiat... um... I mean Jeep powers thru the hole and has to be pushed when all 4 wheels in contact? They may be cheap(er), and for a reason, Don't waste your money people! Poor reliability resale and owner satisfaction, I would rather be broke down in any of the other 9
This was a great list, but I miss the slip test you guys do. Would have loved to see how their all-wheel drive systems compare on that. It would also be great if you could figure out a more empirical way to measure the slip test such as how far does the pedal have to be depressed to get off the rollers or time elapsed to get off etc.
Had a RAV4. Worst transmission software ever developed. I call it the "hunter", because it just hunted between 4th, 5th and 6th gears. Not sure how that does in long term reliability. I could never drive it in "drive". Always had to manual shift it. The front seats were awful. The bottom seat cushion was way too short and cut off the circulation to my legs after 30 mins of driving. My parents have a Subaru, same damn thing besides the CVT, the front seats are awful. Ended up trading it my RAV4 for a Silverado after just 15,000 miles. I never looked back. I guess in that case, Japanese care are reliable because I could never drive it without a fear of getting a blood clot in my leg. So, it sat most of the time.
@@NukePooch1 ik, but i noticed people who drive them were mostly asians, too. -and american cars are driven by (white) americans. It's like support your own...
@@matt9c1 i'm sorry but i cant actually relate, coz i have rav4 too, and i have it since 2013, and it didnt give me any problem at all. I used to have 2015 dodge journey, but just after 2yrs the engine started clunking, and it suddenly stops while driving. After so many visit in the shop I ended up replacing it with 2018 dodge caravan. Just recently engine lights go on everytime, transmission thud sound while shifting the gear and other else...not quite a good experience with them.
Great vidio. Of all cars you have taken to gold mine hill i was most inpresst by the volvo xc 40 in the snow
I think its really cool that you guys "off road' crossovers. Don't stop doing it!!!
The reason I started watching you guys is because of your offroad crossover reviews👍
I think the difference between the Subaru and Mitsubishi CVT’s when being used off road is not so much that the Mitsubishi works better, but more so that that Subaru has better programming to preserve its own life. So while the Mitsubishi may get you to more places in the short term, it does so at the cost of probably having that CVT die an early death as compared to the Subaru.
Regardless, I totally agree with your statement that automakers should not be pairing CVT’s with any vehicles that are targeted towards off road or even soft road use.
lmao, proper Subaru fanboi
Jaroslav Záruba I have owned exactly zero Subaru’s. I have owned a Mitsubishi though...it was a decent car, but that was more than 20 years ago. The remaining models they sell in North America are garbage and their days here are numbered.
They should combine it with a torque converter so the belt doesn't have to slip at low speeds. Toyota has done it, so can they.
Agreed
@@horus909 who should, Subaru has a torque converter
Just bought the 2019 Renegade Trailhawk...love it. The new 1.3L Turbo is great, having full torque at much lower RPM's makes a big difference. Massive rebates on them right now. ($8k off). Will be an excellent commuter and forest road runner.
Honda's torque-vectoring AWD system is the bomb compared to many others. Can send up to 70% of power to the rear and split that power to individual wheels. It's essentially the SH-AWD that's in the Acura's. I have it on my Ridgeline and it really works well.
Im happy to see the wagons making a come back 👍
Wagons are sadly underappreciated
We hope the Audi A6 allroad is a larger A4 allroad (with all the capacity, comfort, etc.)
thanks, awesome list! Especially seeing the opel/buick made me happy. I am right now stuck between skoda octavia scout, opel/vauxhall isignia country tourer and vw passat alltrack (coming from austria). It is rather difficult to find a soft roader that is not a SUV and also is allowed to tow 2.2tons (2 Horses). Your videos help A LOT.
Thanks so much!
Another idea I am missing is the volvo xc70 (maybe you can grab one somehow) or the p90 cross country, seems you didn't have those yet unless I can't find them
I would take Suzuki Jimny 2019 to gold mine hill.
What a wrangler should be, they have gotten to big heavy and expensive.
@@jeffk464 Yes indeed Jeeps are getting way more expensive and heavy.
I used to own a 2007 Suzuki Grand Vitara Xsport and took that bad boy off roading. Lol
I wish Mexico got more of them. Only got around 300-400 vehicles.
Suzuki grand vitara / vitara, VW T-Roc, Mitsubishi Outlander, Suzuki Jimny, Renault Duster...could you guys do a review of these please?
baby bronco, whatever toyota has in the works for 2022 sometime and crosstreck are all that i would consider.
Great video TFL i love the small cross overs. They are the jimney we can never have.
That new RAV4 looks absolutely stunning
I have a MB E220D AllTerrain. Softroader might be a stretch but it will handle any dirt road and has an outstanding AWD-system in the 4Matic. With the 45 volt hybridsystem there is plenty of torque when you need it and it does 40 mpg mixed (my mix, 80% 65 mph Hwy, 20% small town).
I know the diesel isn't sold in the US and it is a crying shame...
These guys are severely underrated. And they deserve all they get and more!
No. They don't. Nathan said the Kia looks good. That's a blasphemy. That thing looks horrible.
@@jaromor8808 I see what you mean but, for a crossover which is an awkward appearance by nature, it ain't bad
Great video! If I won the lottery the GLE hands down but I do love Buicks styling and incredibly comfortable interior.
Shout out to everyone and specially to the renegade family! I love my 2020 renegade trailhawk.
Just reinforces that my Subaru was a good buy and that I'll be getting another one.
Why?
To carry your vegetarian sandals to your gender studies class.
A Prius is more masculine.
@@mushroomcloud1 I felt the same way until I bought one. My uncle, who is a rancher swore by his as a daily driver to get to and from his property. Does pretty well here in Wyoming.
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Maybe, but I think I would go with one of the competitors that do just as well off road like the Mitsubishi or the Jeep.
@@mushroomcloud1 I considered the Jeep but I didn't think it held its resale value as long. I also heard that Subaru fixed the headgasket issue in the 2018 outback generation for an engine that will see me reach 350,000 miles. Lastly, there is safety. They are rated highly and I have a family.
The Compass really tied with the Renegade for #1? 🤦♂️
Then you go on to show us the Compass struggling to get up that incline? 😐
k3rrons unfortunately this channel is pro dodge/jeep
@@skyline5354 yeah.. :/ I'm surprised the Honda was as high as it was.
I mean that incline was worse than anything the other vehicles had to deal with.
TOP 10 - SOFT-ROADERS SUV
10. AUDI A4 ALLROAD
9. TOYOTA RAV4-ADVENTURE
8. MITSUBISHI ECLIPSE CROSS
7. BUICK REGAL TOURX
6. KIA TELLURIDE
5. MERCEDES GLE
4. VW ATLAS
3. HONDA PASSPORT
2. FORD EXPLORER
1. JEEP- RENEGADE & COMPASS TRAILHAWK
you could have add the mitsu outlander to this list . that will be better than eclipse cross., by means of power and clearance . And it would have been a good competitor with Subaru.
that bouncy tech is pure genius.
You guys missed an Aussie iconic, that we heavily off-road here in Australia. The Holden Adventra. It's equivalent if not better than the Audi All Road. Tootally underrated, we've wheeled it on our channel for over 7 years now. Incredibly surprising.
Wow I never new they did a commodore crossover. Should look out for them, havent noticed any in nz. Did they come with the v8? because that would be awesome haha
@@moa-wg3bo yup LS1 unfortunately though with the clunky 4L60 gearbox but 100% mechanical driven all gears no chains or belts. Underrated significantly for what it was. Bunch of them driving around in NZ!
@@AllTerrainAction I'll keep an eye out. I'm always on the lookout for quirky old station wagons (I own a 1992 toyota carib myself). I guess I never noticed them because they look so much like a regular commo! Some cool stuff on your channel 👍 love to see people getting stuck right in the tricky stuff with their softroaders
If you reviewed the Trailhawk I missed,if not how bout it.
You have the most forthright reviews on the toob.
Not sure if it's just me but I've had great success with my BMW X3 28i xdrive. Doing some normal off-road and snow.
got it. go a little faster. momentum is your friend. pull it up the hill (unless you test a subaru - then none of these apply)(and the outback ultimately did it anyway)
15:20 maybe i need to watch that episode, but why is that jeep tied for #1 if it needed a second person to help push it up? seems like other vehicles higher up handled it with fewer issues
You said don't take the new Explorer ST off road. It has .1 inch more clearance than a couple of the other models at 8.3 which is getting close to the Outback 8.7. It also has the same 'trail' mode.
Don’t understand how you don’t do a crossover like the Subaru Ascent but then give us jeeps at the end?
Because Subaru does not loan us cars so we can’t test it.
smart one read the title, especially the end of it.
@@TFLcar So that's why you guys pick on Subaru over and over again and again ?? You think that's the Right way to bash them.....in return. That's Childish.
@@Honestandtruth007 Jeezus dude...TFL went out and bought an Outback themselves to test & compare against the other vehicles. Subaru threw a hissy fit over a bad review from them and took their press cars from them late on evening. Subaru's being childish, not TFL.
@@luchaDor how would you feel if someone damaged your car and broke a contract ??
Solid video again!
Mercedes Benz GLE was best off roader on list
Thank you for doing a soft roader video that wasn't Subaru it was great not to hear blah blah blah Subaru is best thanks guys for the good work
Nathaniel Burton It does not. It has an electronically-locking center differential. Just about all AWD cars do. That means torque distribution is divided 50/50 between the front and the rear. That’s all. What matters are front and rear locking differentials. Kia does’t have that.
@@afcgeo882 I understand about front and rear diffs but they said a locking diff but they didn't say what one even if it is electronic it still locks the center and gives 50/50 front to rear
Nathaniel Burton Even cars without an “electronic locking center differential” can swing torque, as needed, front to rear. Some even do it better than a locking diff.
For example, the Honda CRV has no locking diff, but can move up to 60% of the torque to the rear, if needed. A locking differential cannot. The Ford Escape can move torque up to 100% to the front or rear.
@@afcgeo882 great explanation. Car manufacturers will try to fluff their technology to bring sales.
If this GLE's rocking, don't come a knocking
I wonder if you could lock the center diff, especially on the front bias vehicles if it would be able to handle nearly every forest road or similar and get over some knee high rock gate keepers.
Is that the next iteration of these or where the aftermarket will find its niche?
And this is the reason why Subaru will not loan you guys a car to review. Your hate for Subarus shows...really bad.
Okie Rider I acknowledged at the very beginning that most of their fleet is good off road. These are “alternatives.”
@@NathanDAdlen
Also, please list all (10) vehicles in the description box when doing multiple vehicles comparison. Thanks!
None of them could touch the old Suzuki Grand Vitara off road.
I dont know what these guys have against subarus. The audi all road is great but it DEFINITELY did not "lead the way" for offroading wagons/crossovers. Yes CVTs suck but that's most CVTs. Lift a subaru and put some KO2s on it and itll destroy almost all of these cars with the same setup
How much was the Corolla Cross again?? So where does that leave the cost of RAV-4?? What is going on??
When is TFL going to drive the new GMC Acadia AT4? And have you seen the new Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail tires available in many CUV sizes?
What about the 2019/20 BMW X5 with the off-road package?
What about the. HONDA CRV?
Do you guys have any videos on the quadratrac 1 system in the jeep grand Cherokee? I bought an altitude and am curious now reliable this 4x4 system is and been loving your reviews
I’m surprise that even in this list you have never spoken of Skoda (Yeti in particular)? Is it on the market there??? Russians and co. are using it very crazy.
By the they your channel and review are very very good! Thumbs up 👍
P.s.: Tesla repair saga: do you had an end or I missed the conclusion?
P.p.s.: I suggest a review of off road tyres for S.U.V. review in your style, also to help us, Europeans, to find items on market.
No. They don’t sell Skoda here
nathan adlen pity, I supposed it was the problem... in theory a Yeti is a Tiguan for the chassis and power train, but wheels and suspension are lower on the monster.
I'm Looking To Get Either a 2019 RAV4 Adventure, 2017 Murano Platinum AWD, or a 2016 Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring AWD Once My 2016 Mazda MX-5ND is Paid Off...
I'm from Greece tha's why i ask about it...
What about the Landrover Discovery Sport? Would love to see your thoughts on it
test the 2023 Honda HRV AWD
@thefastlanecar How's a non Trailhawk version of a Jeep Grand Cherokee with Quadra Trac II for off-roading? Is there enough ground clearance?
Ooh forgot Renault duster or nissan xtrail
I guess since you said are not Subarus then that must mean the Subarus would fill all the top spots.
Lol those two Jeeps are actually the Fiat 500X and Fiat Panda. JUNK
Wrong & wrong.....
No, he’s right and right - they are based on Fiats. That said, my 2018 Compass has been fine so far (about 20,000 miles in, half done with my 3 year lease). Indeed, it’s very capable on backroads and a lot of fun to drift in the snow - no surprise given it’s a “baby Jeep”.
Luck of locking diff or LSD diff for all of this vehicles
Would someone in LA call the Mercedes a highrider?
skoda yeti 4x4 are good better than my old rav4
hyenachase f WERE good. Not made anymore. Also never exported to America.
VW Alltrack? Similar to A4 Allroad?
Both are complex and unreliable cars!
Only took my 2019 Alltrack very-Softroading and some decent snow, performed extremely well but I understand it's getting axed so makes sense not to include it...
You chose 2 Fiats over a Ford????
Nice vid. Isn’t Honda Passport also a CVT? So the Passport is still good?
The Honda Passport doesn't have a CVT, it uses a ZF 9 speed automatic.
@@donaldwilson2620 Thanks for the info.
land rover freelander , land rover discovery sport, Jimny
Few cara that's not the list is Volvo xc60 range rover discovery
How about some AWD MPVs?
No bronco sport?!
The best? What are you taking about! New ones maybe….but they need to last and then many of them are simply pieces of crap!
Jeep and quality? Few more too. And where is Volvo V60 Cross Country on this list?
What about the Volvo XCs?
ROMAN CHARIOT, is what he drives
where is cx9?
Really enjoy your channel, but.... Ya gotta check out the SubScribe channel with videos like Subaru AWD vs. Everyone Else. I have a 2007 Highlander Hybrid CVT that I 98% love. BUT, it will NOT go up a slippery snowy incline, like, my DRIVEWAY! No Way would I consider those two Jeeps #1 and 2! They too lock up the wheels and freeze where they stand. Ya Gotta warn people with All the models that fail simple slippery inclines. Including that Volvo you were raving about, awful handling thing.
I miss my Mazda 4WD MPV more every year that goes by. You could lock the front and rear differentials and would outperform the Explorer and Jimmy of its time. The second and third row seats folded flat for a bed, so it was a great little impromptu camper. I could seat eight, I had six kids, instead of the minivan's limit of seven. Had a sturdy chassis, with no squeaks or rattles. I got the kids eight acres and thee horses. So I sold the MPV for a needed Pick Up. Now the kids are gone, and I miss the capable MPV! It's weakness was poor crash ratings, so don't go too fast in one.
Nissan R50 is good for off road ?
Why no volvos on this list? They make some decent 4x4s .
Stephen Dee 16:14
@@NathanDAdlen I admit it: I stopped when you got to number one. IMO, any of those Volvos are better than your "number 1 pick" as a "soft-road" vehicle. I like that "softroad" term.
You can add the HONDA HRV and TOYOTA CHR "softroaders" and try them out as well.
CHR is front wheel drive only in US. That's not going to fare well with light off roading.
A sub compact crossover soft roading comparison! Lol. I like that idea.
How about the Volkswagen alltrack?
RIP
You don’t need lockers or low range to go off-road. You need 3 things. Ground clearance, the right tyres and an excellent traction control/4WD system. With those, lockers and low range aren’t required. Most vehicles have plenty of power/torque without a low range.
4Motion didn’t work fantastic (adjective); It worked fantastically (verb).
Subarus are still the best.
15:58 How is the trail hawk suspension flexed out that much on a flattish dirt road?
No Durango?
TL;DW - Alternatives to Subaru are Toyota RAV4 and Honda Passport . . . who knew . . .
Why was the touareg not on this list?
...it is no longer for sale in the US; that is my guess why it didn't make the list. 2015 is the last MY available, at least in the States. When everything is working, it and its sibling, the Cayenne, do make great soft-roaders and even a bit more gnarly stuff. Tires are key and it doesn't hurt to have the air suspension either.
I would rather have a 4runner
body on frame is the way to go, for all conditions
"We didn't include Subaru because they already have a reputation for off-road ability"
(Includes two Jeeps)
Subaru is insanely overrated off-road. I do like mine but it’s nothing special at all.
The CVT makes new Subarus kinda bad at off-roading
@@tylergibson6418 For sure. I have a similar vehicle (4wd station wagon, same-ish clearance as a subie) and its nothing amazing. The lack of low range and low ground clearance are the two biggest factors
Great list TFL! I’m an owner of a 2 inch lifted (soon to be 3.5 inch lifted) 2019 Honda Passport riding on 32’s with a cut front bumper. It has the same simulated 4 low as the trailhawk Jeep renegade and compass, but it has a simulated rear LSD/Locker. I bought it because of what I saw on your reviews of the pilot and Ridgeline, thanks for that!
I’m not sure about the Ford Explorer. I’d imagine the new one has the same GKN twinster rear differential as the Ford Expedition you tested, and that failed on gold mine hill, so I’d put the Honda Passport at #2. The Mini Jeeps deserve #1 because of their approach/departure angles.
I have subscribed your channel and now I found that you watch tfl
A guy I work with takes his 4runner offroading regularly on the weekends and is always coming across a crossover that got stuck thinking they had an offroad vehicle lol.
KYDashcam tires
Tires do a lot
My suv has all seasons A/T
My dads jeep commander had AT
And my dads explorer has all season. But out of the bunch my dads explorer has gotten stuck. Lmao this one time he got stuck in the snow and couldnt get out, and ahen he did so he didnt get stuck again he used my suv to run it over a couple of times and knock it down.
💀 its tires, look at the tourag they have, and the one lady with the jeep compas that added ground clearance and tires
@@overknight5278 Proper tires do play a big role, but most of the crossovers are stuck at/in water crossings or at spots that require a lot of suspension articulation.
Along with all that others have said, I think it's also probably reasonable to assume the vast majority of those people had no meaningful prior offroading experience as well.
I had to pull out a crv who thought he could take on China wall. Ripped out all the plastic protection and bent the driveshaft
KYDsahcam
That's the fault of the vehicle. Its the owner's problem.
"That was a pretty beefy car... When it ran"
So true
@@TFLcar Yeah, I laughed out loud at it... Early 2000s German cars are not the place to be for reliability.
@@leleedler As a prior own of a 2001 A4 Avant I can attest to that. Terrible car. Nice when it ran, but it didn't run often. LOL.
@@Roaming50 Yeah my buddy was emburdened with an 01 1.8t A4 Sedan. That thing was a proper nightmare. It was broken more regularly than not.
We had a 2002 Allroad. Beautiful car but jesus, the airsuspension was horrible. After that we had a standard A6 with the 2.5 TDI and it ran forever. We sold it with 500.000 km and had no problems at all.
Nice video I love driving my Rav4 adventure! Gets me around even better then my crosstrek I use to have and get about 29.5mpg average
Omg, your bias tires are showing! Your #1 pick of jeep was stupid! You had to literally push that junk car to get it up a hill that many other vehicles on your list managed with aplomb. I like the rest of your list, but could you maybe get some integrity and stop shilling for FCA?
Almost makes you think just how much is Jeep "gifting" these guys? But hey, if they're ok with pushing Jeep sales on their viewers and sticking them with poor quality vehicles...to each their own.
So does this mean that Subaru is #1 and everyone else starts at #2?
tubemember21 they also can’t compare Subaru since they’re not allowed to test them.
I think they are a little butt hurt over not being allowed to see Subaru's, I think they should have included Subaru on this list somewhere and just say they didn't get a chance to test it and move on. I wouldn't have titled it they way they did.
Well, Subaru is being a bunch of cry baby pee pants and won't give them cars to test as they don't like the results.
@@underthelibertytree712 Says who? Roman said it was because TFL damaged two Subaru's on the cliffhanger which went against Subaru's review lending agreement. I wouldn't loan someone a car either if they didn't obey the rules.
Subaru failed most of the test
You guys are definitely Jeep fan boys...
Ron Johnson 2 lol that’s preposterous. Jeeps are shiny an fun when new, sure. But good luck with those mechanic bills once the hunk of junk is off warranty.
MCMXC even if the bill is big it’ll never be as big as lets say a luxary car which are also even less reliable
But their alright. Id say their close to gm. If you take care of them they’ll last a long time. Plus he uses the jeep b/c a wrangler are made just for off roading and the large community. Which isnt there compared to the 4runner, the off road community there isnt as large (although it is still Large)
And the 4runner is to me an all well rounded car, while a jeep has kept its same design and again, purely off road based.
Ron Johnson 2 -> tell that to my bud with a 2015 Wrangler Rubicon with 60,000 miles, currently at the dealer getting $5900 worth of work done. Axle seals, sway bar actuator, a bunch of stuff. That is NOT good quality. You won’t find a 60,000 mile Toyota at the dealer needing anything.
Their #1 vehicles are ones they demonstrated to be _less capable_. Several other vehicles overcame obstacles their #1 Jeep could not do.
Obvious bias is obvious
@Ron Johnson 2 Everything FCA (Jeep included) is at the lowest point in every single rankning (Consumer reports, JD power, literally anyone else) of reliability. So no, it really isn't 100% emotion. It's actually the only reasonable stance to take given the available information.
Softroaders are great but people tend to get a little overconfident and "BAM". Carry tow straps.
That was ALMOST me today in my 2019 manual crosstrek! It’s been raining tons in northern Wisconsin and today was out doing some national forest backroads. I came around a blind corner and BAM -a section of road that was just logged...huge muddy ruts from the equipment. I learned that Subaru A.W.D. Works just as good in reverse -lol.
I really want you guys to test a Subaru Ascent off road to compare it to the older Outback you tested. CVT and all.
Subaru doesn't give them press vehicles because they scratched an Outback about 5 years ago
Initial Wii oh I know, I’ll volunteer mine. Roadtrip!
@@benniewalker312 good idea
I enjoy you guys putting the manufacturers money where their "poser" off road cars are! Subaru won't talk to you anymore, and the RAV4 "adventure " is mostly a styling exercise. Love the series👍😀
I sure miss my Nissan Xterra. Simple, capable, affordable, not the most reliable (neither is Jeep). Had a new 4runner for a year but sold it because I wasn't going off road as much as I used to and need something a little better for normal duty but would still like to hit a dirt road every so often. Thanks for this review.
What about the Land Rover Discovery Sport?
Mm the Audi they showed is just as expensive
@@MichaelMiller-rg6or or the GLE.
Yes! I’d like to see them test out the new 2020 model.
Mm -the Kia and Audi are all around 50k as shown, plus that GLE they showed is probably over 70k!
Would have loved to see the Skoda Kodiaq Scout but unfortunately the entire brand isn't available in the US
Acura RDX/MDX both of SH-AWD which is great in the snow or a little off-roading.
Do you guys get paid by Jeep? You seem to put them at number 1 often and they don't deserve it. I guarantee that Kia is a more capable off roader than either of those Jeeps.
No longer produced but the freelander 2 (LR2) is really good off-road. I'm surprised you guys only had one small segment on it in the snow. That Renault/dacia duster seems to go almost anywhere.
Did I miss something? Your #1 pick is the Fiat... um... I mean Jeep powers thru the hole and has to be pushed when all 4 wheels in contact? They may be cheap(er), and for a reason, Don't waste your money people! Poor reliability resale and owner satisfaction, I would rather be broke down in any of the other 9
This was a great list, but I miss the slip test you guys do. Would have loved to see how their all-wheel drive systems compare on that. It would also be great if you could figure out a more empirical way to measure the slip test such as how far does the pedal have to be depressed to get off the rollers or time elapsed to get off etc.
Agreed. The slip test was a lot more accurate and repeatable of a test than going on a trail that degrades or has different paths of approach.
Reliabilty-wise, no american nor europian cars can beat japanese cars! But typical americans can't admit that! Just saying.
Most Americans do admit that....its why Hondas and Toyotas sell so well here.
Had a RAV4. Worst transmission software ever developed. I call it the "hunter", because it just hunted between 4th, 5th and 6th gears. Not sure how that does in long term reliability. I could never drive it in "drive". Always had to manual shift it. The front seats were awful. The bottom seat cushion was way too short and cut off the circulation to my legs after 30 mins of driving. My parents have a Subaru, same damn thing besides the CVT, the front seats are awful. Ended up trading it my RAV4 for a Silverado after just 15,000 miles. I never looked back. I guess in that case, Japanese care are reliable because I could never drive it without a fear of getting a blood clot in my leg. So, it sat most of the time.
@@NukePooch1 ik, but i noticed people who drive them were mostly asians, too. -and american cars are driven by (white) americans. It's like support your own...
@@matt9c1 i'm sorry but i cant actually relate, coz i have rav4 too, and i have it since 2013, and it didnt give me any problem at all. I used to have 2015 dodge journey, but just after 2yrs the engine started clunking, and it suddenly stops while driving. After so many visit in the shop I ended up replacing it with 2018 dodge caravan. Just recently engine lights go on everytime, transmission thud sound while shifting the gear and other else...not quite a good experience with them.
This list is about off-road capability, not about reliability. We never mentioned reliability.
I see the new Suzuki Jimny is amazing offroad in almost every review ! I don't think the states are getting it though, which is a shame for you