Tadej Pogacar Confronts Dylan van Baarle After Flanders Sprint Finish
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Tadej Pogačar was none too pleased with Ineos' Dylan van Baarle after the surprising and messy closing meters of the 2022 Tour of Flanders.
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they were coming at much greater speed than he was riding and he let a gab opening between him and Mathieu , Van Barle and Madouas would have been fools to not take the space behind Mathieu for a bit more draft. Good Lesson for a GC rider not used to weird classics sprints.
Yeah he did it to himself then started weeping because of it
@@alexandregf4 no need to get polemic here.
@@alexandregf4 when's last tdf winner you've seen contest Flanders win, after being strongest in race too, cause it's been 50 years surely with two monuments already, one from sprint finish he led out and 5th in MSR and this 4th in last 4 monuments on calendar and bronze medal in road race where he nearly pipped Wout he must be clueless you're advice will be missing piece hope he reads it. He's won as many monuments as vdp at 23. Don't let me inform you of anything. He's defending tour champ caught cut off in sprint finale losing ok, crashing potential probably upset him. Considering he let vdp sit on wheel every last climb without complaints or being demonstrative he's a pretty well liked kid in peloton too. No love lost from ineos still haven't won a race he's started a couple tt stages from Ganna and one tour stage with kwiato and carapaz. No one days no gcs ever that he's started in I think he knows how to race.. while he's over something like 17-20 races he's won against them. Better luck in liege or tour maybe. ✌️
He has as many monuments as vdp while being 4years younger and was strongest in race , according to Mathieu, already won one from a sprint and considering it's been 50 years since tour de France winner has contested Flanders victory I think he will be ok : ). He has a big race In July he's looking forward too, he's already won a couple, so don't think crashing in sprint was the finale he was hoping for more like 1v1 sprint like in Lombardia he led out from first wheel being stronger man, despite letting masnada sit on as well again without complaint during race, and got to congratulate 2nd best rider of day on podium but he is a bit of throwback not a GC guy just incredible cyclist probably. Last four monuments in succession win, win , 5th , 4th. Couple you might not have watched because most cyclists who dominate tour can't dominate monuments and one days too like strade. He can. Don't think he needs your advice but kind of you to give it. Bonne chance a coup de monde ✌️ou Roubaix et le tour
Even if you want to get in the draft you don't do it so aggressively you almost chop a front wheel, this is basic decency.
Especially if you come with more speed as there is even less need to do so.
He also blocked Madouas by going to the barriers which was unnecessarily dangerous in such a reduced sprint.
Then, in the interview, pogacar said that he was angry with himself. But this image shows he was angry with the other guy in the heat of the moment. it is good for him that clearly his team is looking after his image
It isn't strange to act out at other people when feeling frustrated with yourself, I think most of us have been there
Guys it was in the heat of the moment and it is a top level athlete bred to compete. Of course he realizes his mistake afterwards but is furious in the moment. These people commenting have probably never been athlethes at a high level
Yea he apologized later too
So this what we just watched is RAW competitive Pogi after a defeat, if you expect him to be some honorable moral knight that can lose and smile and hug his competitors as if he just didn't spent hours trying to destory them... I don't know, he's not your cup of tea I guess, or perhaps competition has a different meaning to you. I love to see this. Of course the man is upset, he's competitive and a champion. Given that this is DIRECTLY after his own failure to understand tactics, he is upset and doesn't want sympathy or meet his competition. Thats how it feels to lose when everyone is speaking your name. After the emotions passed, he took it upon himself to let others know that it was his fault. Chin up CHAMP, try again next year, or do something great at P-R.
completly agree, this comment section goes after him way to hard, not knowing what it is really like to compete.
spot on
No, mate....you effed about, misjudged,and then got boxed out of the podium. Its on you, Pogacar
Where is your sportsmanship Pogi. You are beaten by MVDP strategy...
if sagan do that everybody say it wrong and must follow line 😜😜
Tadej really miscalculated the distance of those other riders and how fast they were coming. Given the fact they really slowed down in relation to the upcoming group, Tadej couldn't get his weight moving as quickly as Mathieu who is much better at sprinting. I'm not sure what Tadej thought the result of that would be though. He should have done a pull at a slightly slower speed and gotten closer to the line before play the cat and mouse game with Mathieu.
its all on camera little prince. maybe next time. should have taken his shot when he stalled and did not take his turn at lead, and drop the charge that created the clutch of riders In the sprint.
Anyone get what they said to each other?
I understand his frustration, but he only has himself to blame. I hope his coach makes sure he learns from it. He clearly has the strength to win a classic.
DvB did come across him though. I don't think it changes the outcome, but he did get chopped
To screw up the sprint after 6.5h of riding, that reaction is understandable. I bet it didn't take long for him to calm down and accept his mistake.
Exactly 270 kms of pure pain, plus the way he rode it was just insane. It's normal that he's not able to keep his cool
Exactly. Nice to hear some compassion in the comments for once
I already read elsewhere where he accepted it as his own mistake. Sometimes from the POV you simply misjudge situations, and blame others. If you see a 3rd person view, you calm down quickly. So yes, understandable from his POV so shortly after the race.
He gave an interview allready like 1 hour later, being the champion he is, admitting it was mostly frustration and he acknowledged he had no right to blame anyone but himself. What else did you expect from such a A-class rider.
He didn't. Tadej is a reasonable person as far as I can tell. After the shower, he said he only had himself to blame. Quite a few people these days get so judgmental expecting others (but not themselves) to behave like an idealistic version of a human.
First time in a while where you can really see how young Tadej is, he let the gap to MVDP's wheel open up and anyone who has watched crit racing on youtube for 5 mins knows, if you leave the gap, someone will take it and you have no one to blame but yourself.
Well said…
absolutely true; he put himself in that position; don't blame the other guy who did exactly what he would have done to get 2nd
He let the gap... Mathieu was just faster, the mistake was letting those guys return
@@vpersiegooner10comps same though :D but anyway pog can only be angry with himself
I agree entirely. I think if Pog did one more rotation when Mv was calling him through it would only have been a 2 horse race at the finish. The Pog is an exceptional athlete with a young head on his shoulders. He'll learn from this and come back a better man. Brilliant race though. only the 2nd time I've had the opportunity to watch.
It's called a bike race Tadej! We went bike racing.
No Dylan no no, that was SO not right!
See what you did there! And being a merc fan i dont like it. :D Is van Baarle gonna lose his job as well now is the question…
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how many times have you raced in a pro race.
I see what you did there!😂
He's frustrated. The fault was his own. Hopefully he learns. It was always going to be a hard one for him to win in the sprint with MVDP. vB and Madouas just complicated it and they were his outlet for voicing his frustration. He's still a kid really ...yet a great rider/ racer.
From the start he didnt have a chance to win against mvdp. Pog cant come around Wout and pog cant come around the guy who beat wout. Quite a bit of an ego trip by the young man there
@@abcD-wf9yr There were days where Wout was the better sprinter and there were days where Mathieu was the better sprinter. Pog had a very good sprint against Wout on the olympic road race where he came from far and almost won from Wout. Don't be ignorant because these three can sprint very well, nonetheless, it was Pog his own fault.
he was boxed in
@@demolmetdesnor nah he didnt. He also failed to come around after wout was dragging the whole field for a whole while. Everyone tried to go to avoid wout and everyone attacked him. And in the end - wout was still the strongest. Well second strongest but everyone knows what went on
@@scooter2163 well asgreen is a machine too. Remember he s in the quickstep train too in the tour de france. Looking through his palmares even before the man is a hitter
A bad look for the Pog. It was his own mistake.
100%
Goede leer voor de volgende keer.
People need to understand that it's hard to keep your cool after more than 6 hours, 270 km and more than 2k elevation ridden like he did.
@@kidnamedfinger420 why is it hard ? He screwed up..thats all,
It was Pogis mistake, but he's got the right to be disappointed after 6 hours of Racing. Blaming van Baarle isn't fair though.
Do you have healthy eyes?
@@milli347 Do you know what racing is?
@@milli347 I'm wearing strong glasses and it's clear to me that the situation would not have been substantially different if TP had a clear path. The UCI reviewed and determined that Van Baarle did not deviate. I'll accept their opinion over yours. TP knew it was his fault.
It's like the commentators on GCN said, "rookie mistake". He'll learn how to approach sprints. Can't wait to see him next year
He made a tactical error and is blaming it on the other riders. He comes across as a sore loser. He needs to own his mistake. Its a race, a competition and sometimes you don't always win.
Exactly; the guy is very strong, can do (most )anything on a bike. But he doesn't know how to sprint yet. Power, yes. 'smarts, not (yet).
I agree,he's revealed himself
@@JoostMehrtens sure after the pr team got to him. Character is revealed when in the heat of battle. Every single time.
They didn't hold their line for the sprint. Peter Sagan has been kicked out of TDF for that.
@@JB-uv4hm Arent you a fucking saint now darling
Left it too late to start the sprint, his own fault
Pogi should stop crying, it was his own fault. What was he expecting Dylan to do? Wait to let him go? Pogi started playing poker way to early and that made it possible for them to get back to the front
Exactly; the guy is very strong, can do (most )anything on a bike. But he doesn't know how to sprint yet. Power, yes. 'smarts, not (yet).
bruh
When he see the video analysis, he will agree with you. Like the commentator said, he just was frustrated bc he was the strongest of this 4 riders and would have won with better tactics. But he will learn from it and will win next year anyways
True!
Lets be honest he was never beating mvdp in a sprint anyways… I think you could see it on his face after he didn’t drop mvdp on the last climb that he knew he wasn’t winning
True! He burned to many matches earlier on. MVP rode much smarter race.
how can you be sure?
agreed. MVP learned the hard way last year that you have to be smart about riding
He already left a bike length to MVdPs wheel. It was fair game for Van Baarle to try to get on the wheel as he was already faster than Pog.
It was missing out on the podium he was annoyed with. He had accepted that he had no argument that MVP would have fairly beaten him in the sprint. But he definitely would have got third spot I believe had he not been forced to correct his sprint by the Ineos rider.
I'm still amazed at how MVDP eliminated him of the podium while crazyli waiting for Van Baarle and Madouas - Looking forward to seeing Roubaix now
hopefully amstel gold on 10th also
When is Roubaix mate?
@@endc0re772 He's Won Amstel this year! So it's all good mate
It was his own mistake.... Dylan VB was smart and close the gap.
It’s almost like he feels he’s cycling royalty and that everyone should move out of his way. He’s talented. Probably most talented cyclist in the world. But that means everyone wants to beat you. I didn’t see what Dylan did as wrong.
I get your point but tbf Pog IS cycling royalty right now.
@@rocketjack4865 lol kinda true
As it happens, he's cycling royalty. The king, actually.
@@rocketjack4865 that may be so but that doesn’t mean people should just let him win and move out of his way. You have to fight for every position. Otherwise it becomes a bit like F1
Most doped up guy in the peloton (amongst many others who are too) came 4th. Kinda funny really lol.
He should have settled for 2nd and kept pulling. He wasn’t going to beat MVP in a sprint anyway.
I disagree. No one cares who comes in second. He gave himself the best chance to win and it just didn't work out this time.
2nd or third is always better than 4th.
@@bikndave68 Nonsense.
@@oblio9147 I’d feel better about 3rd place than I would about 4th. 4th is embarrassing
@@oblio9147 I'm trying to remember your Tour of Flanders podium appearance...
But seriously, his job is to promote his sponsors. If he isn't on the podium then he's not doing his job. He knows it as well as anyone. His mistake was not pulling in the last km and taking a chance in the sprint.
Pogacar Clearly lost the wheel and so it was fair, but Dylan Van Baarle could've stayed in MVDPS draft without chopping Pogacar though. Seems more like normal race incident to me.
This is a loser attitude. If he cannot position himself, it is his problem. He should apologize putting a shade on the 2nd position. He did finish 4th, not 3rd by the way. What a bad image for the youngest generation! UCI put on your pants. Make sure that you are not growing a 2nd Armstrong that controls everything! So happy for MVDP. Well deserve for the challenges he did went through!
A great champion that we will cheer for in the years to come! Plus, he is riding Canyon 🤗
I don't think Dylan blocked Pagacar... the Slovenian played badly when he was in the MDVP circle. It's clear he was legless at the late end of his sprinter!
yes, his theatrics masked pretty well that his gastank was empty
@@ericvosselmans5657 Perfect
Looking at it again, though, I think he could have come around and past Madouas at least and possibly Van Baarle too, even though Van der Poel was gone. But by then he was boxed in and Van Baarle did move across him. Probably a racing incident though. He'll win plenty more and probably this race too in the future.
@@1101grayzer Sinned by inexperience and also had an empty tank. So much so that the two stragglers pass him. Analyze and you will see!
@@marcelomendes6695 At the point Van Baarle moved across him and made him brake, he was starting to move alongside Madouas and could have passed him. But, to be fair, even if Van Baarle held a straight line, there was no way through for Pog. I don't think his tank was empty, I think he was over-geared for such a late sprint, Madouas and Van Baarle arrived with full speed and it took Pog a while to get to their speed. I think he could still have beaten both of them in a straight-line sprint, but definitely agree his sprinting inexperience cost him and can only blame himself.
MVDP was toying with Pog before the others came from behind. He knew Pog won't be able to outsprint him. Best option for Pog was to try his luck. I bet he would've come in second
His immaturity is showing. They both saw what was coming. Bad sportsmanship, it’s his own fault.
It's not a matter of sprinting, but squeezing and doing scissors and pushing Pogačar into another cyclist. Almost Pogačar didn't fall because he crossed his path!
Understandably Tadej was frustrated, but it was somewhat his own fault.
Great as Pog is, he got utterly outclassed their, MVP took all he had and then wattbombed him off his wheel along with the other two..... I dont think anyone stays with MVP with that acceleration after that distance.... sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by the better man.....
Unless it's Wout, even another world class sprinters like Cavs, Sagen or Caleb will not be able to hang after those long climbs
he only has himself to blame
Today he showed them all. What a rider! 🔥
No tuvo piernas para llegar y se enojó porque le ganaron...no jodas!!.
Fabian Cancellara pointed out that Pog’s cadence was incorrect for a sprint in comparison to MVDP, whose cadence was faster and from which he shifted into a higher gear to maintain speed after initial acceleration. Maybe an easier gear to accelerate for Pog and then a shift to a harder gear, could’ve saved him a podium spot?
Quien es ese cancellara
Maybe
Launching earlier and being okay with second would have guaranteed him a second place podium spot...
Fabian Cancellara raced on an e-bike.
Eres el mejor pogacar solo asi te pudieron ganar asiendo trampa
Pogacar might be strong but not really smart.. Its not the first time he makes a mistake like that. Dylan didn't do anything wrong.
it was over for Tadej at that point. Out of position and lack of power to get in position.
Poor doper Pogacar. Yeah, everyone else is doping, but Tadej has got the realllllly good stuff. Deny all you want, but everrrrryone knows it's true. He shouldn't having been toying with MVP because he can't beat him in a sprint. HIS fault, not to mention the FDJ rider's left wing in front of his bar. Sorry Tad, you don't get to win everything. Stay in the high mountains, pal. Lmao.
I think that Pogi was understandable angry right away the end, but a few minutes late, he realized that the error is only own. He is young and he can learn by mistake. Great race anyway.
Do you have healthy eyes?
@@milli347 YES AND YOU?
I guess I’m a little surprised by his poor sportsmanship.
He really is still just a kid hey. It's always annoying when you get boxed in, but this is a bad look.
Just a bad day at the office, letting off a tad of steam there, it's no big deal
Refuses to ride the front, letting other riders catch... Gets mad when other riders (that were there because of his decision) are in his way.
"It looks like I was angry at someone but I wasn't" Looks like you were mate
Van baarle did nothing wrong. Podj just messed it up all by himself.
pogaçar è molto competitivo ma è ancora molto immaturo / pogaçar is very competitive but is still very immature
I'd love to have Pogacar confront me about messing up his bike race.
Not because you are TP that everyone moves over in awe - it’s just racing, suck it up!
He already left a bike length to MVdPs wheel. It was fair game for Van Baarle to try to get on the wheel as he was already faster than Pog.
If you play cat and mouse you better prepare for the consequences.
He messed up and he's taking it out on others... He needs to grow up..
well now you know how Primoz felt in the time trial of the 2020 TDF
Hahaha
😂
Quit your whining, Pogi, that's bike racing... Besides, van Baarle did not do it on purpose, I'm sure. Even if he did, that's how the game is played.
He had enough time to assess the situation and messed up, nothing to do with the Ineos rider..
Boohoo , like many have said, should be lesson learned
He’s disappointed because he’s used to getting everything his way. Little brat, never really liked him.
Poga Is great, but VDP was invincible in that sprint.
Pogacar was never going to win that sprint and even if the other riders hadn’t closed in on him as much, he wouldn’t have had the power to come around. His frustration comes from MVP’s tactical success over his
Got his line choice wrong. Got his sprint timing wrong.
Got his, of all things, gearing wrong also according to Cancellara.
Pog was too slow to accelerate while the other two have been sprinting for the last 4kms or so. Of course they would come out in front of Pog. Heck, they nearly caught MVP.
The first tdf I was a big fan of pogacar,but I’ve recently been watching a few things on him and his training schedule,I hope I’m wrong but, I think he’s tip toeing along the epo line,I hope iam wrong,but what I watched was very telling indeed,the resort he stays at is well known for let’s say questionable methods which is owned by a Russian former cyclist who was banned for epo use,also a few ex pro soccer players were caught after they retired,
Love how everybody is criticizing him here in the comments section. I guess you never played sport competitively and never got disappointed or mad for loosing, never blamed others before yourself.
This must have been a very stressful last kilometer knowing it would be very hard to beat MVDP in the sprint and seeing the two others were coming back. He played that badly but he did get boxed in a bit by Van Baarle so it's normal he got a bit mad after a 280km race where he was the strongest. I'm sure he knows he made a mistake here and will work on it for the futur ;)
Ok tommy.
The difference is he is a “professional”
@@tehpwnist4833 you fool, at a proffesional level the athlethes are the most competitive and care about winning the most. They are the ones who should get the maddest after a loss.
Absolutely right. This was only his first reaction in the heat of the moment. He owned his mistake and was very 'professional' afterwards ;)
Being called out for being a sore loser is part of sports as well.
At least Tadey leave the handlebar with left hand, in sprint (may be last km) it's not allowed ... where was the judge? Maybe more interested to the climate change supporer😁
Pog lost fair and square. He was gapped by mvdp. He has quite a big ego.
Pogacar should be ashamed of himself.
Should've held on to MVDP's wheel and challenged him on the sprint, the fault was his own. Lesson learned there. Great race though especially for MVDP coming back from an injury.
Podjcar making a fool of himself.
They waited about 5 seconds too long and only way Tadej is beating MVP is by going for a long sprint. At a minimum he would of had 2nd locked up
Poca his own f….. mistake.
What is he saying there? The F word?
Nobody ever likes to blame themselves but TP messed that up completely and should be blaming himself.
Pogs fault
Yeah not a good look for Pogi, he’s better than this.
😭😭😭 that’s what happens when you didn’t want to take the lead and just wait. You could’ve came 2nd not 1st if you didn’t wait. 🤦🏽♂️
Tadej doesn't care about 2nds. He wants the W and nothing less
Pog just stuffed it up...simples
He smiles only when he Wins... But he Wins a lot. Anyway stop saying he Is the nicest guy on earth. He Is human as everyone.
Pogacar is frustrated and that's human. He waited to long and MvdP was still ahead of Van Baarle and Madouas who closed him in. That's cycling. You win some you loose some. Pogacar was the best what MvdP also admitted. Shit happens. Pogacar will win enough races if he stays healthy. At the moment he is far out the best. Gr from Holland
Very VERY unsportsmanlike to do that WHEN he has only himself to blame for not jumping across the road when giving the chance from MVDP the last Km!!! He may not have got 1st but could have saved second!!!
He doesn't confront he just insults the other rider F____.. you~~ couple of times. What a piece of art this 2-time winner of the Tour is. He is like Will Smith; deciding to ruin his good reputation. Or he might be way over his big head.
this one wasn't disqualified, as the guy from Bora? How good I do, without watching all this UCI Crap. Is getting worst than football.
i dont get it .. why Podgy tried to go through a gap which was obviously not accessible for him when he had ALL the space necessary to overtake on the left side? in my opinion, if he had the power in the legs he would use the draft from van Baarle and Madouas and in the last 50m he would go full gas in a high cadence and big gear with a huge acceleration. It s quite clear that he didnt have the focus and inspiration on the last m to the line pbbly because he was not expecting to be in a 4 man group sprint but more on a 1v1 with an advantage from the draft of MvP
Absolutely nothing wrong with Van Barle's sprint... Pogacar had no cause to whinge.
Lol. People do not understand. If you know Slovenia and it’s people they don’t care about 2nd or 3rd. It’s all about winning. Slovenians have a winning mentality. Be it sport or business. They will only participate in something if they win it.
not a pogi fan, this tantrum sealed my opinion. mvdp completely messed with his head - cycling is about much more than the stats, as much in the head & heart as the legs. loving the classics so far! just hope wout can make it back for roubaix :/
I think Pogacar did everything right and lost. That's the beauty of cycling. It's not always the strongest, who wins. That being said, Van Baarle definitely deviated from his line. I think he wanted to close the door on Madouas and he blocked Pog in the process.
There was no deviation of note. What, maybe a foot to the right? It was determined upon review that Van Baarle did nothing wrong.
@@petesharp3640 Well he obviously closed the door towards the barriers enough to make sure that no one could squeeze past anymore. Granted, he only did that when he was past Madouas and he was faster anyway, so nobody got seriously blocked. I agree, that it wasn't enough to relegate him. But deviate from his line he did.
If he had worked he could have been 2nd,just keep going he couldn’t beat MVDP,but he would have been 2nd,lesson learned,stop messing around!🤔
Pog, you had every chance to jump against MVdP and didn’t take it. You went from a 50% chance of success to 25%. And lost even that.
Totally Unexperience, it was a roocky mistake, so he need to growup more. With all his respect, but he need to compete with the insperiences man to man, at this point he is way to high from the peloton, but keep looking for the following years, to see if he become on the cyclist man that he is promesing at this point.
I think that teddy did not have the juice for the last sprint to match Mathew. He just fell behind way before they closed on him. His behavior was uncalled for blaming others like it appears in this video
He can win most other kinds of races easily... but he doesn't know how to sprint, looked like an amateur 😉
Completely Pogacar’s fault, tactically inept and gave the other riders no other avenue, double GT winner he may be but he caused himself to come 4th
Watch it on video. Go home. Repeat to yourself "I am a stupid prick" 1000 times. Then we'll talk about your entourage.
I hope he realizes now it was his own fault. Really nasty behavior. Not to be expected from a great champion. You also lose like a champion.
ohh poor tafej. shouldve continued phasing. cause you wont beat MVDP on a flat. the weigh difference alone is a hint.i hope you learned from this.
Stop crying Poga! You ran very badly, that's all. No one bothers you, you lock yourself up!!! Deflate the melon...