I made it to the end of your video because your delivery was great! You gave me just the facts I needed to make sure my electrician was on the up and up. You spoke to us and not at us! Very much appreciated. And finally, I loved the fact that you did not edit out your minor blunder, but instead laughed about it. Letting me know that you too are human. Going to you next video about dishwashers and garbage disposal sharing the same outlet. Thank you!
Thanks for the clarity and good questions. I see a ton of violations in commercial kitchens and find residential interesting. Receptacle outlet meaning - good stuff.
Hi Ryan, I wish I could watched your video before i called final inspection on my last month kitchen remodel job. Exactly every single things happened just like what your have mentioned on this video. (1) I got a same corner sink like the pictures sample, end up with I have to cut through the finish quartz and added one pop-up receptacle to fit 2-4.ft rule, (2) the island extend is greater than 6", and the inspector didn't counted as one valid receptacle outlet on that side, I have to installed a new one on the other edge. Great video, now I am think maybe it's time to raise my electrical quote if the clients want a big island. :) Subscribed.
Well Ryan another good explanation on kitchen code. Although the island code seems to be a bit over the top in some cases. Done a lot of big kitchens with those types of islands. I mostly get the inspectors input before I go ahead and wire. And most inspectors will accommodate your request and challenge. Well done 👍
Thanks mr Ryan for keeping us up to date. I think what the code wants its to have the outlets to be accesible around the island because most counter appliances have a short cord and installing all outlets at one spot will create a crowded surface of appliances
My opinion is based on my experience as a child electrical engineer (age 16 on a space program), and as the son of a well respected master plumber who made me get a masters license. Both plumbing and electrical codes have become overly complex in an attempt to prevent disagreements between contractors and inspectors, but have only made things worse. In 1978, the early days of kitchen design and GFCI, decided to use wiremold outlet strips on 6" centers at the bottom edge of upper cabinets. Same depth as cabinet frame so you can insert a "funny" plug. 18 receptacles way above hot things, invisible, all cords go straight up, no tangle and you can plug in all appliances at one if you wanted to. Never seen this done before, inspector had no issue.
Have to disagree using wiremold as stated. Hard to locate receptacle on bottom of a cabinet. Hated wiremold 50 years ago except for the 3000 series wbere you install your own devices but only in garages or comercial settimg. Now that I am in my 70's with s bad back would be impossible to bemd over to locate a receptacle on wiremold.
I Strongly agree, this code chane needs to be revised..A 4 foot piece of plug mold on a island counts as one outlet.. Completly obsurd..We need more people on these code panels with common sense ,instead of lobyists.
That cooktop at 8:50 is DEFINITELY going to be used as a work surface when not actively cooking on that “burner.” Note the smooth flush glass finish. When the glass top ranges came out in the 90s, I attended an appliance store sales demo that went thus: turn one side on, set a plastic cutting board on the cold side, show the glass does not conduct the heat unlike the older electric coil/spider setup, then remove the cutting board and cut veggies on the cold side, show that even THAT did not damage the glass, make the sale
As an electrician and inspector for 30 plus years most home owners are gonna flip when they see how many recps they’ll need. It’s been my experience that they don’t want all the recps the code required in previous code cycles. As you showed in the video with different configuration of islands, will make it difficult to place.
@@mikeclarke3005 definitely new work, & here in Florida and we have an existing building code that dictates what’s needed depending on the class designation of the remodel.
It’s to the point the easiest thing to do is what he showed, just use wiremold along the bottom of cabinets. For islands install it under the edge of the countertop.
@@rpvitiello easily said when it’s a run of the mill counter top. I’ve wired or inspected homes from 1300 sq ft to 26,000 sq ft and customers don’t want them. The panel that decided to make this article change (in my opinion) are out of touch. Islands are no longer just a rectangular shape. They have book shelves, cabinets, waterfall counter tops etc. easy to say just stick it under the counter except when theirs no over hang counter top space, when you have a micro wave, dishwasher, wine cooler etc etc one can’t hardly get a box small enough then take in consideration wire fill for that box. Many don’t want them and many more than what is required now isn’t needed.
I think we should start making the entire back splash made of 100% receptacles That will cover the counter For the island we can make the edge a horizontal gang of receptacles. All protected by gfis
Receptacles are the device; outlets are the location. As an inspector I have been dealing with this issue consistantly for the last 6 months. Most of the issue is misinterpretation by other inspectors, who have been provided bad interpretations by instructors. In any case as an inspector we cannot make up code interpretations, read the code and do as it informs us to. I even had one inspector try to tell a contractor to break down the penninsula/counter into quadrants and split up the receptacle locations, or cut the overhangs to 6" or less. One even tried to tell the client to put a receptacle in the cabinet in front of the sink where you stand while doing dishes. Too much overthinking for a simple issue.
I agree. That is not a work surface as definable by the NEC as the kitchen work surface is purposed to allow you to set a small appliance on that surface and thereby utilize that required receptacle! You are not going to put a blender on your stove surface....well, at least I would not!
8:43 - While it's not super common, some people have cooktop-covering cutting boards or slab work surfaces, effectively making a cooktop into "work surface" or "countertop". 🤷♂️ Edit: Wouldn't running a multi-wire branch circuit to a separated (jumper removed) duplex receptacle count as two "outlets"? That could help satisfy the requirement and cut down on the number of receptacles needed in an island, right?
So next we will have to install outlets on the dining room table? It seems to me that many of these surfaces are for eating on rather than holding small appliances.
Came across your profile when searching for someone who may have an answer to my question. I'm in the middle of a new build and opted not to pay for the kitchen island through the builder and I want to personalize and get my kitchen island to my liking. I've been reading that per 2020 NEC guidelines you have to have 1-2 electrical outlets on kitchen islands. So will I be able to put my own kitchen island in if I don't get an island through the builder? Because once they put flooring in I'm not sure how electrical would be achieved. Especially with it being a concrete slab.
@@RyanJacksonElectrical Thanks! They actually were confused and ran the conduit sleeve into the slab but now they are telling me they have to check with the city to see if it can stay. I asked if they can put flooring over it to cover it to pass inspections but they said there is an inspection prior to flooring and after. So I’m just crossing my fingers they let me keep it.
This is some of that angels on the head of pins stuff. In one picture I see a row of drawers under the island. Some common sense needs to apply here. It's easy to estimate the square footage on curved-edge countertops and exact numbers can be calculated, but likely represent overkill. Ari benDavid, MSE, P.E., electrical engineer
Yeah, this is a tough change. I think many agree that one receptacle is not enough for some of these islands, but this change seems to be a bit overkill in my opinion.
Does this code also refer to outside countertops and requires receptacles? Why can't I have just a countertop that I want to set a beer on while sitting on a stool.
Should the code be updated to have for every other receptacle outlet be the alternate circuit as best for the two circuit requirement for kitchens, or something similar to better load balance the kitchen?
So what exactly is an "assigned space"? If we look at my parent's house (build 1966, so 2020 code doesn't apply, but whatever), the fridge has an intended place, and was likely on the original blueprints. However, it can go anywhere in that kitchen, and has moved around over the years. How about the toaster bolted to the bottom of a cabinet in my kitchen, is that an "assigned space"? It's certainly not mobile (without tools.) The otherwise code compliant outlet is behind it.
I just had a client demand NO outlets on an island. I had to refuse as she would not get occupancy approval. So what did she do??? Ordered TWO countertops, one for me to put outlets in and then after inspection she is going to remove the granite top and put in a blank top.... how the world is changing....
3:31 where dose it mention the 48" between recepticles on counter because it sounds like recepticles should be spaced no more than 24" along the wall on counter space
Appliances must be no more than 24” from an outlet when on the counter. An appliance in the middle of two receptacle outlets spaced 48” apart are in fact within 24” of the nearest receptacle outlet. Technically, the code mentions spacing FROM an appliance TO it’s nearest receptacle outlet, NOT THE SPACE BETWEEN receptacle outlets. It DOES mention spacing from walls to receptacle outlets. And I thought Latin was hard....🧐
Mr Jackson, does the NEC ever give a precise definition of “receptacle outlet” and “outlet” ? I’m on vacation, and my copy of the NEC is not accessible to me, the distance is too great, I hope it’s not a code violation 😎
You mentioned pendant cords above the island as counting as code for an island receptacle. Does that mean pendant LIGHTING above an island counts as a receptacle? (I.E. just a light fixture but no way to plug in an appliance such as a stand mixer or toaster)
HOLLY_______ I have a kitchen island that’s 52 square rectangular. My house was built in 1980s and it only has one receptacle on the wall. God knows how many receptacles I’m going to need for that monster of a countertop. I will be doing a full kitchen remodel and let me tell you one thing there’s a lot of other updates that I’m going to need to do for the wiring. When I looked up the NEC code book for the kitchen wiring I was blown away on all the requirements for remodel and new construction! 😫
What happens if the countertop extends more than 6 inches over the support base on all sides of the island? Then you can't put the receptacles anywhere except on top of the countertop. So now you have to have special water-tight counter top receptacles everywhere and cut holes into the stone? Electrical rough-in happens before the countertops often...
This video just confused me more. House was built in 1989, I have 3 receptacles on the countertop, 1 next to the range and 1 on the outer edge of the cabinet. Do they all need to be GFCI or can I just put 2 GFCI closest to the sink and the other 3 regular 20amp receptacles?
@@RyanJacksonElectrical I’ve been searching for the past 45 minutes and can’t find any info saying which one it was. Is there a specific website i can look for this info? I wanna say it was either 1987 or 1990.
Since code require island outlet to be gfci out Can I just use one gfci outlet wire it the other 2 non gfci outlet or does all the outlet have to be gfci
Code specifies work space not over 18” behind sinks and stoves not requiring receptacles, so, perhaps that space can be reduced from island square footage?
@@RyanJacksonElectrical and in an island, they protrude from the countertop or workspace. So... couldn’t the sink or stovetop, and up to 18” of countertop be subtracted from the square footage... since it isn’t workspace...
The point of outlet spacing rules is supposed to be to prevent the use extension cords. Kitchens now have so many outlets there is never a need for an extension cord. It's more about where one puts the appliance. If there is not an outlet on the island then I going to put the appliance close to an outlet by a wall. Most people don't want appliances on an island. The NEC code has become ridiculous. It is written by engineers that spend too much time calculating the utilitarian way things should be instead if living in the real world. I'm an engineer and I see many engineers making things more difficult than it needs to be just because all the real problems have been solved.
I find these new codes to be a money grab. Most islands I’ve dealt with have no void spaces, fillers, and tend to have large over hands. This code makes things a huge pain and a lot of my clients don’t want outlets cut into their $40,000 kitchen cabinets.
Those same customers would likely complain about not having enough receptacles to plug in all of their phones, tablets, laptops, and kitchen appliances on the island; thus, the 2020 rules.
But island outlets are more convenience outlets for most people and code should reflect that. simply one required outlet recptical would be a good rule. What about doing it by Linear feet? Something like one minimum with one additional for every X number of linear feet?
Yea I’m not dividing countertops into right triangles and polygons and calculating the area under the curve and blah blah blah..I’m asking the GC how many receps he wants and maybe calling the countertop guy and asking how big the slab is. 🙄
Ok so if the overhang is more than 6” over the length of the island where the heck does the receptacle go to count? Lol this makes zero sense. Basically every house is gonna have receptacles hanging from the ceilings? Lol
Makes no sense, to put 6 outlets on a island, it should use a distance rule like every 4' have to have one. There is a point where things need to look proportional. Just like the height of receptacles and switches. This should be left to the homeowner on ease of access and what is visually pleasing to the eye. As usual too much Govt oversight into people's business!!!!
Do Americans ever question whether this level of prescription is desirable? Telling people how many plugs their counters need seems kinda authoritarian to me. Make recommendations, sure, but to make it law?
As a regular person trying to plan out how to turn a steel building into a compliant dwelling, thank you so much for this.
I made it to the end of your video because your delivery was great! You gave me just the facts I needed to make sure my electrician was on the up and up.
You spoke to us and not at us! Very much appreciated. And finally, I loved the fact that you did not edit out your minor blunder, but instead laughed about it. Letting me know that you too are human. Going to you next video about dishwashers and garbage disposal sharing the same outlet. Thank you!
Ryan, God Bless you man, thanks for taking very valuable time you could spend in something else to share your knowledge with us.
Thanks for the clarity and good questions. I see a ton of violations in commercial kitchens and find residential interesting. Receptacle outlet meaning - good stuff.
Hi Ryan, I wish I could watched your video before i called final inspection on my last month kitchen remodel job. Exactly every single things happened just like what your have mentioned on this video. (1) I got a same corner sink like the pictures sample, end up with I have to cut through the finish quartz and added one pop-up receptacle to fit 2-4.ft rule, (2) the island extend is greater than 6", and the inspector didn't counted as one valid receptacle outlet on that side, I have to installed a new one on the other edge.
Great video, now I am think maybe it's time to raise my electrical quote if the clients want a big island. :) Subscribed.
Well Ryan another good explanation on kitchen code. Although the island code seems to be a bit over the top in some cases. Done a lot of big kitchens with those types of islands. I mostly get the inspectors input before I go ahead and wire. And most inspectors will accommodate your request and challenge. Well done 👍
Ryan you are the man!!!! I’d read the codebook but have no idea if I was interpreting it correctly. These videos are a HUGE help. Thank you
Thanks mr Ryan for keeping us up to date. I think what the code wants its to have the outlets to be accesible around the island because most counter appliances have a short cord and installing all outlets at one spot will create a crowded surface of appliances
My opinion is based on my experience as a child electrical engineer (age 16 on a space program), and as the son of a well respected master plumber who made me get a masters license. Both plumbing and electrical codes have become overly complex in an attempt to prevent disagreements between contractors and inspectors, but have only made things worse. In 1978, the early days of kitchen design and GFCI, decided to use wiremold outlet strips on 6" centers at the bottom edge of upper cabinets. Same depth as cabinet frame so you can insert a "funny" plug. 18 receptacles way above hot things, invisible, all cords go straight up, no tangle and you can plug in all appliances at one if you wanted to. Never seen this done before, inspector had no issue.
Have to disagree using wiremold as stated. Hard to locate receptacle on bottom of a cabinet. Hated wiremold 50 years ago except for the 3000 series wbere you install your own devices but only in garages or comercial settimg. Now that I am in my 70's with s bad back would be impossible to bemd over to locate a receptacle on wiremold.
this video is awesome!!! imagery of the code changes is super on point.
I Strongly agree, this code chane needs to be revised..A 4 foot piece of plug mold on a island counts as one outlet..
Completly obsurd..We need more people on these code panels with common sense ,instead of lobyists.
That cooktop at 8:50 is DEFINITELY going to be used as a work surface when not actively cooking on that “burner.” Note the smooth flush glass finish. When the glass top ranges came out in the 90s, I attended an appliance store sales demo that went thus: turn one side on, set a plastic cutting board on the cold side, show the glass does not conduct the heat unlike the older electric coil/spider setup, then remove the cutting board and cut veggies on the cold side, show that even THAT did not damage the glass, make the sale
Thank you for helping us improve I appreciate your time and I learn a lot. Blessings God fill you with many blessings.
As an electrician and inspector for 30 plus years most home owners are gonna flip when they see how many recps they’ll need. It’s been my experience that they don’t want all the recps the code required in previous code cycles. As you showed in the video with different configuration of islands, will make it difficult to place.
but that is mainly for new builds, significant remodels ?
@@mikeclarke3005 definitely new work, & here in Florida and we have an existing building code that dictates what’s needed depending on the class designation of the remodel.
It’s to the point the easiest thing to do is what he showed, just use wiremold along the bottom of cabinets. For islands install it under the edge of the countertop.
@@rpvitiello easily said when it’s a run of the mill counter top.
I’ve wired or inspected homes from 1300 sq ft to 26,000 sq ft and customers don’t want them. The panel that decided to make this article change (in my opinion) are out of touch. Islands are no longer just a rectangular shape. They have book shelves, cabinets, waterfall counter tops etc. easy to say just stick it under the counter except when theirs no over hang counter top space, when you have a micro wave, dishwasher, wine cooler etc etc one can’t hardly get a box small enough then take in consideration wire fill for that box.
Many don’t want them and many more than what is required now isn’t needed.
I think we should start making the entire back splash made of 100% receptacles
That will cover the counter
For the island we can make the edge a horizontal gang of receptacles.
All protected by gfis
I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks!
7:58 Laughed my butt off when you said, "I have no idea what to do with this."
The diagram at 3:35, would the right side outlets have 48" Max going around the corner (and not 24")?
Good stuff...thank you for sharing!!
Good vidi Ryan, thanks.
Receptacles are the device; outlets are the location. As an inspector I have been dealing with this issue consistantly for the last 6 months. Most of the issue is misinterpretation by other inspectors, who have been provided bad interpretations by instructors. In any case as an inspector we cannot make up code interpretations, read the code and do as it informs us to. I even had one inspector try to tell a contractor to break down the penninsula/counter into quadrants and split up the receptacle locations, or cut the overhangs to 6" or less. One even tried to tell the client to put a receptacle in the cabinet in front of the sink where you stand while doing dishes. Too much overthinking for a simple issue.
I agree. That is not a work surface as definable by the NEC as the kitchen work surface is purposed to allow you to set a small appliance on that surface and thereby utilize that required receptacle! You are not going to put a blender on your stove surface....well, at least I would not!
the 'thing on the right' is a coffee nook w/ space for an undercounter wine cooler.
Ryan , god bless you!!
8:43 - While it's not super common, some people have cooktop-covering cutting boards or slab work surfaces, effectively making a cooktop into "work surface" or "countertop". 🤷♂️
Edit: Wouldn't running a multi-wire branch circuit to a separated (jumper removed) duplex receptacle count as two "outlets"? That could help satisfy the requirement and cut down on the number of receptacles needed in an island, right?
Wow this is crazy!
Thank you for using pictures!!
The NEC is just coming up with stuff at this point. They need to keep busy.
So next we will have to install outlets on the dining room table? It seems to me that many of these surfaces are for eating on rather than holding small appliances.
Are there any videos on commercial kitchens and bathrooms?
Came across your profile when searching for someone who may have an answer to my question.
I'm in the middle of a new build and opted not to
pay for the kitchen island through the builder and
I want to personalize and get my kitchen island to
my liking.
I've been reading that per 2020 NEC guidelines
you have to have 1-2 electrical outlets on kitchen
islands. So will I be able to put my own kitchen
island in if I don't get an island through the
builder? Because once they put flooring in I'm not
sure how electrical would be achieved. Especially
with it being a concrete slab.
If it's a concrete slab it will be quite difficult. If it's not already finished, I'd advise you to run a conduit in the slab as a sleeve.
@@RyanJacksonElectrical Thanks! They actually were confused and ran the conduit sleeve into the slab but now they are telling me they have to check with the city to see if it can stay. I asked if they can put flooring over it to cover it to pass inspections but they said there is an inspection prior to flooring and after. So I’m just crossing my fingers they let me keep it.
Great info!
Just discovered your videos binge watching on a Sunday morning through afternoon. 👍
This is some of that angels on the head of pins stuff. In one picture I see a row of drawers under the island. Some common sense needs to apply here. It's easy to estimate the square footage on curved-edge countertops and exact numbers can be calculated, but likely represent overkill. Ari benDavid, MSE, P.E., electrical engineer
Yeah, this is a tough change. I think many agree that one receptacle is not enough for some of these islands, but this change seems to be a bit overkill in my opinion.
Does this code also refer to outside countertops and requires receptacles? Why can't I have just a countertop that I want to set a beer on while sitting on a stool.
Yea, some one needs to seriously do some about that "outlet" word, its been a ****ing nightmare for decades.
Should the code be updated to have for every other receptacle outlet be the alternate circuit as best for the two circuit requirement for kitchens, or something similar to better load balance the kitchen?
I would think on that multilevel counter, each level would be an individual counter/workspace each with their own calculations ?
So what exactly is an "assigned space"? If we look at my parent's house (build 1966, so 2020 code doesn't apply, but whatever), the fridge has an intended place, and was likely on the original blueprints. However, it can go anywhere in that kitchen, and has moved around over the years. How about the toaster bolted to the bottom of a cabinet in my kitchen, is that an "assigned space"? It's certainly not mobile (without tools.) The otherwise code compliant outlet is behind it.
What about in drawer outlets? The company I work for sells a cabinet model with receptacles in the drawer. Does this count as island outlet?
Not as a required outlet it's inaccessible.
I just had a client demand NO outlets on an island. I had to refuse as she would not get occupancy approval. So what did she do??? Ordered TWO countertops, one for me to put outlets in and then after inspection she is going to remove the granite top and put in a blank top.... how the world is changing....
3:31 where dose it mention the 48" between recepticles on counter because it sounds like recepticles should be spaced no more than 24" along the wall on counter space
Appliances must be no more than 24” from an outlet when on the counter.
An appliance in the middle of two receptacle outlets spaced 48” apart are in fact within 24” of the nearest receptacle outlet.
Technically, the code mentions spacing FROM an appliance TO it’s nearest receptacle outlet, NOT THE SPACE BETWEEN receptacle outlets.
It DOES mention spacing from walls to receptacle outlets.
And I thought Latin was hard....🧐
Mr Jackson, does the NEC ever give a precise definition of “receptacle outlet” and “outlet” ?
I’m on vacation, and my copy of the NEC is not accessible to me, the distance is too great, I hope it’s not a code violation 😎
Hi, sir.Thanks for sharing!! Do islands need a dedicated circuit?
No.
@@RyanJacksonElectrical thank you, sir!
You mentioned pendant cords above the island as counting as code for an island receptacle. Does that mean pendant LIGHTING above an island counts as a receptacle? (I.E. just a light fixture but no way to plug in an appliance such as a stand mixer or toaster)
No.
HOLLY_______ I have a kitchen island that’s 52 square rectangular. My house was built in 1980s and it only has one receptacle on the wall. God knows how many receptacles I’m going to need for that monster of a countertop. I will be doing a full kitchen remodel and let me tell you one thing there’s a lot of other updates that I’m going to need to do for the wiring. When I looked up the NEC code book for the kitchen wiring I was blown away on all the requirements for remodel and new construction! 😫
What happens if the countertop extends more than 6 inches over the support base on all sides of the island? Then you can't put the receptacles anywhere except on top of the countertop. So now you have to have special water-tight counter top receptacles everywhere and cut holes into the stone? Electrical rough-in happens before the countertops often...
You can put them under the counter no further than 6” from the edge of the countertop 210.52(C)(5) Exception to 5
This video just confused me more. House was built in 1989, I have 3 receptacles on the countertop, 1 next to the range and 1 on the outer edge of the cabinet. Do they all need to be GFCI or can I just put 2 GFCI closest to the sink and the other 3 regular 20amp receptacles?
Which edition of the NEC was legally adopted when your house was built?
@@RyanJacksonElectrical I’ve been searching for the past 45 minutes and can’t find any info saying which one it was. Is there a specific website i can look for this info? I wanna say it was either 1987 or 1990.
@@christianavalos7096 In the 1987 NEC only the countertop receptacles within 6' of the sink required GFCI protection.
Since code require island outlet to be gfci out Can I just use one gfci outlet wire it the other 2 non gfci outlet or does all the outlet have to be gfci
You can protect it from an upstream GFCI.
Code specifies work space not over 18” behind sinks and stoves not requiring receptacles, so, perhaps that space can be reduced from island square footage?
It doesn't quite say that though. That is only for corner-mounted sinks/cooktops, or if they protrude from the front of the countertop.
@@RyanJacksonElectrical oh, I agree, but it COULD be interpreted or requested in that way.
@@RyanJacksonElectrical and in an island, they protrude from the countertop or workspace.
So... couldn’t the sink or stovetop, and up to 18” of countertop be subtracted from the square footage... since it isn’t workspace...
Since there is no wall, likely, the 18” exception will not apply...
@@SuperVstech No. It doesn't protrude from the front. Refer to NEC figure 210.52(C)(1).
Thank you very much.
Is it against the NEC code to refer to a dwelling unit as a residence??
It's just not a term that we use in the NEC.
Good video
Thank You.
Do all kitchen receptacles have to be GFCI?
The receptacles serving the countertop and those within six feet of a sink do.
Good Job -
210.52c3 still requires that the receptacles be spaced between 12-24 in. How can you still put them all in the same location then
I believe he implied they could all be in the same location for the island. That contradicts the spacing on the counters, as you noted.
The point of outlet spacing rules is supposed to be to prevent the use extension cords. Kitchens now have so many outlets there is never a need for an extension cord. It's more about where one puts the appliance. If there is not an outlet on the island then I going to put the appliance close to an outlet by a wall. Most people don't want appliances on an island. The NEC code has become ridiculous. It is written by engineers that spend too much time calculating the utilitarian way things should be instead if living in the real world. I'm an engineer and I see many engineers making things more difficult than it needs to be just because all the real problems have been solved.
I find these new codes to be a money grab. Most islands I’ve dealt with have no void spaces, fillers, and tend to have large over hands. This code makes things a huge pain and a lot of my clients don’t want outlets cut into their $40,000 kitchen cabinets.
Those same customers would likely complain about not having enough receptacles to plug in all of their phones, tablets, laptops, and kitchen appliances on the island; thus, the 2020 rules.
But island outlets are more convenience outlets for most people and code should reflect that.
simply one required outlet recptical would be a good rule.
What about doing it by Linear feet? Something like one minimum with one additional for every X number of linear feet?
Just always install 2 gang box 2 duplex recepticals.
That’s a ridiculous amount of receptacles lol should be fun explaining to homeowners how many receptacles they need on islands.
I think everyone agrees that one is not enough...but six? Lol
I assume they all need to be 20 amp GFCI too. That probably costs around $150 per circuit.
@@normferguson2769 They have to be GFCI-protected, but that won't add any cost (it is already required).
Yea I’m not dividing countertops into right triangles and polygons and calculating the area under the curve and blah blah blah..I’m asking the GC how many receps he wants and maybe calling the countertop guy and asking how big the slab is. 🙄
Ok so if the overhang is more than 6” over the length of the island where the heck does the receptacle go to count? Lol this makes zero sense. Basically every house is gonna have receptacles hanging from the ceilings? Lol
If the entire island has greater than 6" overhang all the way around, you are stuck with pop-ups. Ouch that is going to hurt financially.
NEC is not helping us anymore ,it begins to be ABSURD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( Just keep printing and make money !!! )
code is derived from government regulations, shameful how we let the government tell us how many recp needed for counter top on an Island.
Nobody on Code-Making Panel 2 works for the government. I'm not sure what you mean by this.
I love the info, but two ads in 7 mins? No thanks
Makes no sense, to put 6 outlets on a island, it should use a distance rule like every 4' have to have one. There is a point where things need to look proportional. Just like the height of receptacles and switches. This should be left to the homeowner on ease of access and what is visually pleasing to the eye. As usual too much Govt oversight into people's business!!!!
This is why Cramer couldnt work out the levels.
Do Americans ever question whether this level of prescription is desirable? Telling people how many plugs their counters need seems kinda authoritarian to me. Make recommendations, sure, but to make it law?
How do you spend over 15 minutes on kitchen outlet code . You can sum this up in 30 seconds