Double Bit Axes Wood Craft on a Budget Part 17
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Dave Canterbury, David Canterbury, The Pathfinder School,Bush Craft ,Survival skills, Historical Lore, Primitive Skills, Archery, Hunting, Trapping, Fishing, Navigation, Knives, Axes, Fire, Water, Shelter, Search and Rescue
Dave you are the man. You are right there with Kochanski, Kephart and Nessmuk!!!!
You have the best junk yard!
Sometimes, just because it looks so great...you just have to have one. The heck with reason, they just look cool. Gotta love the double bit.
got myself a competition size throwing axe for just that reason, not the greatest for much else though just because of the grind and shape
Always helpful, always informative. Thanks Dave.
Dave, just want to say I'm getting a ton out of this series. Your entire channel rocks. I've watched most all of it, but I find myself particularly interested in this bit on doing woodcraft the old way; or the right way, depending how you want to say it. I often feel like maybe I was born a century too late, its good to see the wisdom being kept alive.
Looking forward to #18.
Thanks, Dave! I never thought about the safety aspects on a double bit!
Really enjoying the axe and hatchet videos. I have acquired many types from my Dad's and Grandparents tool collections over the years. I'm learning more about them on each video. Thanks.
Dave, Thanks for the tips. The double blade axe is dangerous and I heed what you said about it. On my next trip into the forest I did not plan on bringing an axe at all and will depend on my large and small blades (knives). Keep the videos coming. Your the better woodsman then I, but I always try to do my best.
I have used a 3.5lb double bit axe since i was 8. It is safer than any hatchet or hawk. It also swing better with less effort and fatigue.
Hey Dave! Interesting side note, my dad used to tell me that growing up in the 30s and 40s they used to sell double bit axes with not just the edge profile different, but the whole blade profile was different. The one side was thin kerfed for felling and the other side was thick kerfed for splitting. I don't have one of these in my collection 'cause the only ones I've ever seen at flea markets and such have been in really bad shape and really overpriced.
First time I used a double bit was when I was 12 and I don't think it took long for me to realize it was more of a liability carrying around the forest as we timbered than I had originally thought. You must be aware of where the axe is every moment, and with a single bit axe, a simple strike into a log would keep the edge away from you. They definitely come in handy for extended cutting chores, effectively doubling your edge life, though. Good video, Dave.
Thanks Dave
Excellent as always. Ty David.
My Dad was one who loved the double bit axe, and taught me how to use one. He had little use for a single blade axe but he did own one but rarely used it.
I see your point, give someone a double bit axe who hasn't been taught to use it safely and your asking for trouble.
Good video as always.
good stuff Dave . i own 2 doubles . dont use often because they just dont split well in anything at all but CLEAR wood . frozen helps . singles have better splitting profile and much more useful . i did same with one and cut handle short to match my regular splitter ax and prevent misses more . and if dont hit block properly , the handles kit and break off too easily . good mainly for felling and limbing , yes indeed . thanx for good vid
thanks I've been looking forward to a video on this subject.
Great vid. Talking cheap/budget double bit axes, I just got the Estwing double bit at Home Depot for under $40. Made from a solid piece of steel, it eliminates the handle breaking issue. And with Estwing's rubberized handle, it's very comfortable. At least at first blush. I just got it last night, so I haven't used it yet.
I just subbed to your channel and am looking forward to catching up on your previous vids.
I've always thought double-bit axes were cool and thought I'd get one some day----but I never thought about the danger aspect of it all. I think I'll stick with my regular old axe and keep my limbs intact. Thanks Dave.
I just shot a vid on this same subject but directed specifically at "cruisers". I have a couple and always leave them at home because of the downsides.
great video Dave keep up the fantastic work brother
Very informative Dave I really enjoy your videos ,keep them up man . Semper Fi from an old Marine.
I tend to agree with that. I can see where a good double bit axe might be useful around a farm or homestead or if you do things like trail building for ATV/UTV's, mountain biking, horseback riding, etc..., and I'd like to have one just because I'd like to have one. However, for camping, processing firewood, woodcrafting/bushcrafting and the like a regular single bit axe would seem to be a far better choice, and I hate to disagree with Nessmuk, but I just can't see any advantage whatsoever to the small double bit belt axe. I can, however, see a lot of disadvantages. Not only are they far more dangerous, especially if you leave it sticking in a stump while in camp, but you lose the hammer pole as well. I think I'll just stick to my single bit axes, hatchets & hawks!
Used a beat ass double bit and condor hudson bay to survive this last ohio winter. Wood from amish country of every flavor ;} your knowledge def helped Dave. Thanks as always.
Awesome video. Absolutely agree with your views on the double bit axe. It's like everyone finds out that nessmuk carried one so every person interested in woodcraft runs out and buys one instead of figuring out what works best for them.
Dave, an idea for Wood Craft on a Budget - what about a draw knife and chisel? Also, what do you look for when choosing your own sharpening stone? Some kind of smooth beach stone?
Ive been in the market for a good axe I could use for felling and splitting... but now I have another purpose. For self defense. I think I prefer the double edge to inflict all that damage that you say are negatives to owning a double bit.. Also I think I would like to keep the longer length so that not only do I have more power behind my lumber cuts, but also so I can reach out and touch someone. Thank you for the video!
Dave you have a ton of gear and tools, where do you keep it all and how do you keep it organized?
***** I am a huge fan of your's Dave, I'm only 19 but I find your videos awesome. Your videos are very informative, unique, and offer a wide variety of applications. Keep it going brother! Maybe I'll come down to your school sometime. Thanks!
Great info as usual Dave thanks .....
If you're able to run across one, the early sixties Norlund Trailblazer is one of the best Double bit axes I have.
Excellent discussion!
I love my keen kutter boys axe. I don't really care for double bits because one time on the trail I was fixin to chop on a fallin tree and some how accidentally barley bumped my finger against the blade coming towards me and I keep my axes razor sharp so that's what kind of hold me back from carrying double bits, but I love the shape and they definatley have there place for wood work and outdoor capabilities
My favorite is an antique True Temper Kelly Works Flint Edge double bit axe weighing 2 pounds 2 ounces. It was a favorite of timber cruisers who were minimalist campers that stayed for periods of time in the wilderness. Nessmuk and the timber cruisers may have experiences we don't know about that led them to choose a double bit over single poll.
don't quote me on this but, i was reading nessmuk's book woodcraft and camping. and i believe he said the reason he took to a double bit is because when he would chop would, he kept one edge really fine and the other edge kind of rough. reason being, the rough edge was used for choppin wood near the ground where there were rocks and roots.
the beast It is interesting that Nessmuk and timber cruisers had no pressing need for a hard edge hammer type tool.
Bobby Harper
Not on their axes at least. Why would they? If they needed to pound in stakes they would either bring a sledgehammer (also used for rocks) or just carve a beatstick. But the difference is that they had conveyance; pack horses, pack mules, and carts.
I'm with Dave on the benefits of a double bit not being enough to make up for the lack of a hammer pole for the modern woodsman/camper. In my opinion, even a felling axe has a low weight to benefit ratio for everyone but those who get a lot of freeze. There is not much you actually need an axe for in a temperate climate that a hatchet and a saw wouldn't be better suited. For long term sustainability that changes, a splitting axe and maul become necessary, along with a chainsaw.
Semper Fi
Papa Bravo What sort of sledgehammers did Nessmuk and timber cruisers bring with them?
Bobby Harper "The big job started with road building, men using such tools as wheel barrows, mattocks, dirt shovels, sledge hammers and Sager double-bit axes, crosscut saws and heavy steel bars."
www.tngenweb.org/campbell/hist-bogan/harvesting.html
"Photo shows use of jack, axe, sledge hammer & wedges, and fiber splitting iron, from Pacific County (WA) Historical Society website (also at this site, more photos and description of Spruce Div. in Washington)."
beavercreekmarsh.blogspot.com/2010_04_01_archive.html
Semper Fi
Off topic here I just wanted to ask Dave if he has ever been to Martin's Station in Ewing, VA. Very cool place, I went there today. It's named after Joseph Martin, a general in the Virginia Militia during the Revolutionary War.There was a blacksmith that made us a nail and a gunsmith who built his own muskets. Very cool stuff and it was free.
Great video.. Thanks
Very good and interesting info! Thank you for sharing.
Hey Dave, great video on the Axes. One question, have you done a video on processing larger game? I've seen the video on processing small game but couldn't find anything on larger game animals. Thank you
WOW now that was a good video!!!!!!! Very relevant!!!!!!! THX!
I use and LOVE the double bit axe !!!
One side rough for smashing .... One side sharp for cutting.
LOVE IT.
No other axe is capable of this....To each their own.
I've got my eye on Barco who bought the Kelly name and still makes a great double bit axe that requires a little bit of profiling but it is brand new at about $55 and would be similar to buying an antique Kelly True Temper. It is made in the USA.
My father kept one edge very sharp and one he pretty much didn't sharpen. He used the blunt side for rough cutting. They are more dangerous.
I own the little Timber Hawk double bladed axe and it is sweet:) if you reduced the angle on one side it would be a HONEY of an axe-it has a lot of weight and makes a great chopper You wont easily damage THIS axe head), its makes a great thrower too-love your vid and what you say about those good heavy leather sheaths:)
+wildernessoutfitters What was that single-bit axe you showed in this video? I really like the blade profile.
A good example of the negatives of a double bit axe can be found in the pages of "Where The Red Fern Grows" I know it is a work of fiction but still scene where the boy is killed shows the dangers of a double bit axe just came to mind cause I watched the movie the other day!!!!!!
I always think of some viking when I see a double bit! they are great tools not many people still use them, If your a novice I would learn to use a "normal" axe before you move onto a double. just like all tools respect them & treat them well then they should serve you just as good.
Thanks Dave..
The double bit hatchet, was the eye drift open? It looked like just three drill holes really close together.
Thanks friend for the views may God bless you and your family,friend,l own a few double bits.
What kind of off road vehicle do you prefer?
So I'm a little bit behind on videos with your channel since I been at BootCamp and Combat training. But if you don't mind me askin' how do you get all your knowledge from the 1600's and what not? Some of them things I would love to read and research about..
That was educational, so far i've only used hammerhead axe mainly for splinting wooden blocks cutted by chainsaw. I almost never fall trees using axes so double bit will be useless for me.
GREAT VIDEO INTERESTING POINTS
cant wait for your book to come out in the netherlands:)
Never had any interest in a double bit axe, but I watched anyway because Dave always has useful information he shares. Still no interest But now I know why, glad I watched!
Thanks. Just bought your book. Will pass it forward on next backpacking adventure. Love to see dogs!!!
great vid
Wow... You really dont like the double-bit.... Good to see your opinion differs from Nesmuk.
Great info.
Good video Dave. Quick question, what do you like to use to protect the axe/hatchet's head and handle? Thanks!
From watching some of his other videos I know he uses olive oil on the axe head but I'm not sure what he uses on the handles. A lot of guys use linseed oil boiled or raw. Theres also danish oil, teak oil and pine tar.
I use linseed oil myself but apparently its not the greatest for protecting against moisture. Thats why I think I'll be going to a 50/50 mix of linseed and pine tar, I've heard this done a lot on garden tools and gun stocks. Linseed is supposed to be among the best for percussion protection and then pine tar is what they use to use on wooden boats and ship riggings to preserve them from rot. Best of luck.
dave, what about the tomahawk? have you stopped carrying it?
TheDallasdeadeye This is WOOD CRAFT on a budget, very few references to carrying a Hawk by the best of the woodcrafters most carried a Hatchet or Axe
Does this still apply if I find a collins double bit in really good condition for really cheap
Two thumbs up.
Great!
Nice!
The only real reason to own one today is to follow the sport of axe throwing rather than any woodcraft pursuit. Even the Gränsfors Bruks one is ground specifically with throwing in mind with identical grinds and a centre of gravity positioned to assist stability in flight.
thanks for the info on the double bit axe dave . say could you tell me any good books for a 10 year old that wont to learn more about how to live off the land in the wilderness .
Gets Dave's book: Bushcraft 101. I personally don't own it yet but I'm sure it has a ton of great info.
I bought my son who is 11 Horace Kephart's "Camping and Woodcraft". He likes it a lot.
I have Dave's new book, Bushcraft 101, and so far it is a great read. Really straight forward and not too wordy. Should be easy for a 10 yr old to understand.
thanks for your help hope she like's it
I have a question for everyone that left a comment. Does anyone have that Collins phone company hatchet Dave showed us in the last video? And if so would you be willing to trade for it? I have a few hawks and high end folder's to trade for it let me know everyone! Also great videos Dave. You are a huge inspiration!
double bit axes are also going to be perfectly balanced so they will swing and cut better than single bits however you do lose safety and the poll
I purchased the pocket axe a couple years ago and and it was awful, I was splitting firewood and the handle just snapped off. So I put a bolt through it, welded it and then glued it to a better handle. the axe head is good, the handle design is not.
Pretty much the same thing my Dad said. They are pretty though.
Thank you for the info love the show
old linkless grew up with the double bit axe pap made old linkless grub fields with one side you had better not bring it back with signs of dirt on the other side i used a sager ax still got a couple cut amany chicken head off with the other side wringing thier heads off to much work old linkless laid that old head on the chop block then fried chicken and a bowl of chicken gravy
When all you have to carry is a double bit ax you really start to miss that hammer pole very quickly
T=up
I've never owned a double bit axe and now I know I won't be buying one. Thanks for the knowledge and review.
I just bought a sa wetterlings double bit cruiseraxe for $35bucks. What a deal
all I have to say is ... THE PATHFINDER UTOPIA... put crazy people on your land bro... and get paid.
I just bought a wetterlings sa dounle bit cruiser axe for $35 at a yard sale. What a deal
hi rufus
Thank you for the info love the show