Calm, rehearsed narration. Clear explanations. Ample pictures. No stupid music. No uptalk? Talking like a twelve year old? Like you don't know what you're talking about? Give this man an award. This is a quality video. Very refreshing to see.
Personally, I wouldn't rap off using any hardware that didn't carry a recognisable brand and certification. My life and those with me is worth more than the cost of a cheapo quick link. Great no nonsense video on some basic safety. And you're so right about never say never LOL. I was at the top of a multi pitch climb once with some friends when I said there is no way I'm rapping off here with that particular knot you tied (because I had never used it before and neither had any of my regular climbing friends_ that was stupid and my partners on this day, who I later went on to do some crazy stuff in Italy, were completely right in their choice of knot's Vs mine (mine was safe but reduced rope strength more than theirs did!).
When using webbing through a bolt hanger you can improve your safety by threading the webbing through the hanger, tieing a double fishrrmans knot to form the loop. Set the knot beside the hanger and thread the tail of the knot through the hanger under the loaded loop strand. This allows the unloaded tail to first take the stress of the thinner edge of the hanger.
I'd never put my life on a non-rated quick link. Saving a couple bucks in a wrong place to cheap on those. I use them also when I need a heavy rating and possibly have a risk of cross loading. Heavier quick links have very large ratings for cross loading, at least the brand I tend to use. I think one reason for not running ropes directly on anchors is the wear if everyone pulls ropes through them constantly. (Not as bad as wear on aluminum though).
Try a Google on "CAMP quicklink". CAMP, the well regarded Italian gear company, sells CE certified quicklinks. for the 8MM Cost: $3 each and rated to 40(!!!) kN.
Here in AZ, I've seen and rappelled (after inspecting) from single steel chain links on webbing. Not sure on size, but they've been big enough for easy 8-9mm rope pulls. Never tried placing them. Your thoughts on those?
Chain comes in a wide range of quality. I'm not good enough to identify the quality by visual inspection, so I'm more likely to replace it. The idea of buying a length of chain to cut every other link with bolt cutters and throw away half of the chain is also a bit odd from my perspective. But I'm one of those conservative old farts.
Shane Bezzant what is the best rap in the valley in your opinion? The Gully at Camelback, Papago, tiny Teddy Bear wall at south mountain or some other?
Metolius rap hangers are awful, they have a ton of friction and since they are usually set horizontally offset they twist the heck out of ropes when you pull them after a rappel.
Metolius stopped making those several years ago. Pretty much for the reasons that you mentioned. Also, beginners were getting confused when they saw hangers like this, that are OK to rap from, versus a typical hanger, which is not.
Bolt hangers are more difficult to change than quick links. I think one reason people tell not to put rope through hanger is to avoid accelerating wear. If everyone pulls a rope through a hanger it will surely wear more. I've no facts about how much more.
If $5 is going to stop your canyoneering trip, don't go! So, buy the fricken $12 mallion. This is probably life saving information however, if I see a left behind rap ring with a seam on it I know to replace it immediately. Will it fail? Well, like Rich says, "it depends", do I want it to fail on my rap? Hell no.
Calm, rehearsed narration. Clear explanations. Ample pictures. No stupid music. No uptalk? Talking like a twelve year old? Like you don't know what you're talking about?
Give this man an award. This is a quality video. Very refreshing to see.
So so helpful! Literally watching every one of these videos now, such a treasure chest of knowledge. Thanks once again!
Happy to hear you are getting some value from my videos.
Thanks Rich. Your videos a super helpful!
Awesome installment packed with useful information that demystifies several 'always' and 'never' of rigging rappels.
Thank you for the feedback, Adolfo.
I am new to climbing. Thank you very much for ALL YOUR VIDS. Very informative.
You are very welcome. I enjoy making them.
Thanks for your gre6 video. JUST SUBSCRIBED AND GODSPEED.
Personally, I wouldn't rap off using any hardware that didn't carry a recognisable brand and certification. My life and those with me is worth more than the cost of a cheapo quick link. Great no nonsense video on some basic safety. And you're so right about never say never LOL. I was at the top of a multi pitch climb once with some friends when I said there is no way I'm rapping off here with that particular knot you tied (because I had never used it before and neither had any of my regular climbing friends_ that was stupid and my partners on this day, who I later went on to do some crazy stuff in Italy, were completely right in their choice of knot's Vs mine (mine was safe but reduced rope strength more than theirs did!).
No need to use hardware store cheapo links. Try a Google on "CAMP quicklink". CE certified quicklinks, 8mm, $3 each and rated to 40 kN.
Awesome video
Well done, keep em coming...
When using webbing through a bolt hanger you can improve your safety by threading the webbing through the hanger, tieing a double fishrrmans knot to form the loop. Set the knot beside the hanger and thread the tail of the knot through the hanger under the loaded loop strand. This allows the unloaded tail to first take the stress of the thinner edge of the hanger.
I like that one.
Great video Rich! Keep up the good work!
Nice video :) Thanks!!!
I'd never put my life on a non-rated quick link. Saving a couple bucks in a wrong place to cheap on those. I use them also when I need a heavy rating and possibly have a risk of cross loading. Heavier quick links have very large ratings for cross loading, at least the brand I tend to use.
I think one reason for not running ropes directly on anchors is the wear if everyone pulls ropes through them constantly. (Not as bad as wear on aluminum though).
Try a Google on "CAMP quicklink". CAMP, the well regarded Italian gear company, sells CE certified quicklinks. for the 8MM Cost: $3 each and rated to 40(!!!) kN.
Here in AZ, I've seen and rappelled (after inspecting) from single steel chain links on webbing. Not sure on size, but they've been big enough for easy 8-9mm rope pulls. Never tried placing them. Your thoughts on those?
Chain comes in a wide range of quality. I'm not good enough to identify the quality by visual inspection, so I'm more likely to replace it. The idea of buying a length of chain to cut every other link with bolt cutters and throw away half of the chain is also a bit odd from my perspective. But I'm one of those conservative old farts.
Shane Bezzant what is the best rap in the valley in your opinion? The Gully at Camelback, Papago, tiny Teddy Bear wall at south mountain or some other?
Metolius rap hangers are awful, they have a ton of friction and since they are usually set horizontally offset they twist the heck out of ropes when you pull them after a rappel.
Metolius stopped making those several years ago. Pretty much for the reasons that you mentioned. Also, beginners were getting confused when they saw hangers like this, that are OK to rap from, versus a typical hanger, which is not.
Bolt hangers are more difficult to change than quick links. I think one reason people tell not to put rope through hanger is to avoid accelerating wear. If everyone pulls a rope through a hanger it will surely wear more. I've no facts about how much more.
Como decimos en mexico,mucho ruido y pocas nuezes.?
Gracias por sus valiosos comentarios.
Play at 1.25 for normal speed.
Tried it. I don’t think I ever talk that fast, so not really normal. ;-)
If $5 is going to stop your canyoneering trip, don't go! So, buy the fricken $12 mallion. This is probably life saving information however, if I see a left behind rap ring with a seam on it I know to replace it immediately. Will it fail? Well, like Rich says, "it depends", do I want it to fail on my rap? Hell no.
It's $3 for a CE rated quick link. =^) Absolutely no reason not to carry a couple.
johngo6283 Where can you buy CE rated links for $3?