The Real Impact of Immigration on the Economy and Housing
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A look at the impact of immigration on the UK economy and housing market. A look at pros and cons. How immigration helps and how immigration can exacerbate other problems.
Contents
00:00 Intro
00:37 Reasons for Migration
2:35 Housing and Immigration
5:14 Immigration and Jobs
6:55 Immigration Economy?
8:47 Immigration and public services
9:50 Do Immigrants Take Jobs?
10:47 Immigration and wages
11:32 Immigration and Ageing
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Aren't they mainly student visas?
I have news for you students of economics. The UK has no intention of building enough houses - it's the way the system works.
There’s an Eastern European couple down the road from me who came over pre-brexit. They are both on minimum wage and get tax credits.
The woman later brought over her mother to live in the UK, her mother is disabled. The mother never paid a penny into the system and is now receiving full PIP and Universal Credit including housing benefit. That’s on top of treatment on the NHS for her various long term conditions. The UK is a joke.
If she had been born here would you be happy?
@@marcus.H if she had been born here, her mother would have paid into the system too. So yes, it would be better.
are they citizens or on visas?
@@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701 no, both have EU passports. The daughter came before the UK left the EU and has settled status. The mother has pre-settled status, she was brought into the country by her daughter in late 2020.
Doctors did home visits in the 1980's. In contrast, you are now lucky to get a ten minute slot in the Doctor's office. I would like to see an assessment of why things were better in the past.
Legacy of a healthy civilization.
Have a look at percentage tax on corporate profits and high earners in the 60's and 70's compared to now.
The money stolen from colonies was still available till the 80s. Now it has all been squandered and england is too limp to steal more.
The money stolen from colonies has run out now. While some of it was still there in 80s.
You surely don't need one. We had about 25 million less people. 😢
Cheap labour stifles investment into increasing productivity through technology. Why spent millions on new faster/better equipment when you can just pay low wages to a lot of people.
Excuses excuses... why does usa lead in innovation even with cheap foreign labour?
@@kth6736 US immigration is highly selective.
@@gordoncharles741 anyone who can crossover from Mexico is not "selective".
labour is cheap because wages are low and so they should be hungry people make better workers
@@kth6736 I think you will find the US calls that illegal immigration. The USA legal route is highly selective.
@00:42 small boat arrivals generally accelerate in the second half of the year. A more accurate projection would be 41k for 2023
The level of uneducated dribble...
Small boat invasion, not arrivals.
@@klawlor3659 when you invade you also arrive both can be true and both can be false
Thank you for providing these statistics and evaluating them correctly
The UK's unwillingness to train its own has been a theme for a long time. Jeremy Hunt, when he was Health Secretary, said that it cost £200,000 to train a doctor in the UK and that it was cheaper to just bring in a qualified one from abroad. Personally, I was never convinced by that argument. Bringing someone in from abroad often meant that they arrived with their family. They then needed a house, children required education and the family gave rise to additional healthcare costs etc etc. Then on top of that was the questions such as the impact on housing, house prices and rents generally as well as the knock on effect on young, would be medical students, who are then blocked from this career, and the trickle down effect from that.
Lone voice the same could be said when Thatcher closed the pits, and imported millions of coal a year, but it caused over a million on benefits and the health bill soared crime and vandalism increased and it split the country, but working people still voted for it.
@@ronaldsimpson8890 The population is easily led. We see it in the UK. We see it in Putin's Russia and we see it time and time again everywhere, now and in the past. Why do you think that non resident oligarchs like to take control of the printed Press? In Thatcher's day the likes of the Daily Mail probably had more influence than it does today.
Just for reference, back in 2009 the BMA study suggested it was £250,000 training subsidy to get someone through medical school, and they're not even through foundation training then. Back then it was about another £250,000 to get them through specialist training to be a consultant or a GP. That was 15 years ago...
You have to think. This hypothetical person who would have been trained as a Doctor in our country. Where is he now? Subway, McDonald's, unemployed?
In the country where the immigrant came from, who's performing the surgeries if we are taking all their best doctors?
It's a net loss for everyone in exchange for supposed quick gains.
@@OckinElf I agree.
+100 local councils heading for broke…. Including half of London borough…
All labour led no doubt
@@Curmudgeonist they replaced themselves by not having children.
They allow themselves to become bankrupt on the assumption that central government will bail them out.
I am surprised you didn't mention the size of the state and wasteful government spending (hs2, PPE for example)
The size of the state isn't the issue, that has decreased significantly since the conservatives took power (i.e. austerity). If anything, the weakening of the state over time has coincided with reduced investment and increased poverty across the country.
@@jackscott4772 the size of the state drags on the economy. Particularly when the tax take is high but infrastructure spending is low. Unfortunately, the Tories oversee a massive increase in debt, a portion of which is linked to inflation, so now debt interest is the second largest expense. To say that dissent have any affect is deluded
@@vvwalker7261 it’s not that it doesn’t have any effect, it’s just that for an economy like Britain which is debt sovereign, debt only becomes a problem if the government lets it become a problem. Borrowing money to invest in productive assets in the country offsets the debt-interest cost overall because the governments investment enables more individuals in the country to be economically active, therefore generating more net wealth in the process. In such a case, expanding the state is actually the solution to a debt problem, not shrinking the state.
You see, policies such as austerity or ‘laissez-faire’ economics fails to adequately deal with debt in the modern age because the national debt is simply money that governments have already spent. Reducing the size of the state only makes the debt much larger relative to the states total capital, thus increasing the debt-interest that needs payment. Think of how individuals/corporations with large capital assets pay less interest on loans as a proportion of their total wealth than individuals/corporations with less capital-asset ownership because their ability to be productive and generate wealth is not just greater, but also more stable.
Things such as HS2 or the PPE scandal became unnecessary problems for our country because the conservatives have reduced the capacity of the state to such an extent that providing vital infrastructure for future development or medical equipment during crises is almost impossible.
Thanks for the useful info!
As a British nurse - we haven't had a payrise since 2008. British workers are leaving and are replaced by foreigners who are nowhere near as good. Immigration is a short-term solution that is contributing to the demise of the NHS. Pay us more and keep foreign workers out of our jobs. We cannot compete with them when they are willing to work for a fraction of our desired salary. It undermines everything we are trying to do in the profession.
Couldn't agree more. We should be training our own citizens to start careers in areas where they are needed. If no one wants to work in those sectors they should be incentivised to do so.
We are happy to pay solicitors ridiculous sums because there is a demand for it. For some reason when there is a demand for nurses we decide to outsource for cheap and sub-par labour instead.
Give young people the chance to have a career!
@OckinElf I looked at doing medicine last year and worked out it would cost me approximately £300,000 to qualify as a Dr to then earn £30,000 per year. Obviously, I didn't do it but you are 100% right. If the fees were free or I was paid to do my training, I would work as a Dr in the UK until I retired
@@OckinElfSolicitors aren't necessarily paid ridiculous sums.
A very interesting video, sir. However, you missed out that many migrants send some of their money (understandably) to their families in their homeland; that money is then gone from the UK, whereas British workers would keep more of the money in the local economy. Surely this is a negative drain for Britain as a whole.
It's also uncertain how much money is earned through the black economy.
It cultural for 👽 to operate in black econ like they do backhome
He did state that skilled migrants are net contributors to UK Tax revenue 8:18, which would account for what they take vs what they give back. If they weren't here to contribute, Improving public services would be even harder. Leading to More tax and worse services. The current limiting factor in all our services is capacity, the govt hasnt invested in the required expansion of services, because of their austerity policies.
He only mentioned "young skilled migrants". We only get a small percentage of those; most are unskilled brought in merely for cheap labour. Others can be a drain if they don't work and require housing and medical treatment and, in some cases, legal costs for criminal cases.
Of course we don't know how all this is calculated and it can be manipulated by both sides, as it were.@@kabenawilloughby702
Cost of rent+ food+ travel are taking more than 70% of immigrants net incomes. If we add clothes+ communication (phone, internet) household bills , you will spot that actually 80% of immigrants net incomes will remain in UK . So about what you are speaking to send money overseas?😅
@@bogdanbogdan3551 So 20% dissappear overseas at least. £100 per migrant sent abroad per week adds up to a lot of money per year. Some also save for say three years and then take every penny they can back home to buy a home; it's what my wife and I did. So the British economy lost out.
The UK migration policy could look like such a chaos to a bystander. They seem to want less migrants but opted to vote Brexit and increase it. They are severely understaffed in some industries but these are also good candidates for silly migration restrictions to get imposed on them. There are millions of Brits living abroad and arguably an increasing number is considering making that move but the country sees itself as some kind of fortress Britain that the whole world is looking to break into.
less brits leaving since brexit which is one reason net migration is so high.
tbf Brexit was sold on the basis it would reduce immigration. This was without consideration of what a reduction in immigration would do. Per capita, twice as many Brits lived in the EU as EU's in the UK when Brexit was voted for.
Is there any at all? I think it is like free movement of people applied to the whole world apart of the white countries.
@@Finderskeepers. 1) When the UK left the EU it expected around three million EU nationals to apply for leave to remain. In the event, almost double that number of people applied. This suggests that UK monitoring of EU nationals in the UK was pretty terrible.
2) The per capita figure is anyway misleading, and not fit for purpose. After 2004 a lot of east Europeans came to work in the UK because average wage rates were very different between the two countries. But obviously there was no such “pull” for workers from high-wage west European countries like France, Germany, Benelux, the Nordics etc. This means that the per capita figure for the whole EU dissolves the very high figure for Poland into the low figures for all these other countries. It's a statistical sleight of hand.
@@georgesdelatour Existing residents regardless of nationality ,dont count as migrants in the post brexit data.
Brexit wasnt sold on the basis of making existing immigrants leave (who would do their jobs ?)but rather to stop new ones arriving.
Not that they ever intended to allow the economy to crash due to a lack of workers and why immigration has not only continued but increased. Like so many brexit promises, another con job.
Per capita is the only way to make a like for like comparison for the given data set. FOM relates to the whole of the EU, you cant selectively focus on one country, do them all and it ill make Brexit look even more stupid.
7:14 quite right GDP per head is falling. And so is the spending power of the average wage. The 18800 pound average full time pre tax wage of 2000. Would need to be 42000 today to have the same spending power
The average full time wage is infact today less than than 36000 pounds.
Regarding clinical staff in the NHS, we pay the training costs of £600,000+ per consultant, £200,000+ per nurse. We train plenty, but there is NO TRAINING CONTRACT, so the taxpayer pays for the private hospital staff training, yet we cannot use them. The ones that leave the NHS, leave putting more stress and strain on NHS staff. Without a training contract, we pay for training for doctors and nurses we cannot see, and, take away staff from poor countries who need their doctors and nurses.
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At levels of record immigration, GDP is falling. GDP per capita is plummeting. Wages growth very low. Pressure on all resources and infrastructure to breaking point. Reduction in food security and the destruction of the natural environment. We need to invest in infrastructure, training (especially for healthcare) and improving our environment, and reducing immigration.
Absolutely, in a democratic polity people should have an input into population size immigration can have positive benefits but the UK is already densely populated and immigration at the current unprecedented levels will lead to major quality of life issues in the UK we are not the USA and as such can't take advantage of immigration in the way they can without major downsides.
Who's going to do all that work if we reduce immigration? Record numbers of UK citizens on long term sick. Not training enough domestic skilled workers (part of the reason for high immigration). An aging working population not capable of the skilled manual work involved in developing infrastructure. Most of the immigrants are propping up the UK by doing essential jobs or providing revenue as students.
@@LordBillington42 Do remember, however, that those students benefit landlords and university staff in the main. It might be best to let such universities die and be replaced by education centres that can train our working class in useful trades and other realistic training that can put the country - step by step - back on its feet. Such trained people will earn and spend in the UK and benefit society better.
And, of course, no visa scandals.
Automtion, investments in productivity and redirection of the domestic workforce could all reduce immigration much of which is non working students anyway. I might point out that the UK has unprecedentedly low levels of GDP per capita growth and productivity growth since 2008 so immigration is not associated with a booming economy.@@LordBillington42
Sounds to me like this is low cost labour jobs being worked if this is a correlation. I could be wrong, but it sounds like employers will be happy to be able to fill in their lower end roles with active, healthy people who get the job done and are willing. And this lower cost work means power inflation. I could be wrong, but it seems like that would help the economy maybe. But I could be wrong
"For every job an immigrant takes, a new one will be created"? According to gov.uk, there were 321,101 work visas granted for the year ending June 2023. Please could you provide a list of the additional 321,101 jobs that were created as a result of this?
Exactly yeh, there's a few parts in the video which simply don't add up or make sense, that's one of them which you just mentioned
Yes this video is from an economist pro immigration not looking at how social cohesion etc is being damaged by mass migration. What is use of having growing GDP but a very divided country fearful of the direction we are heading. Also these migrants if they stay will also get old and ill and become a burden on the state.
Don't want to upset anyone, but if you are expecting to serve a large number of people, large influx of people, you build the infrastructure to match it, or the limited options will become really really rare... I know, I live in Bournemouth. A city that had it's rent gone through the roof. And the property value.
Anyway, if you don't build to match the demand, prepare to pay extra.
Isn't it something like a city the size of Liverpool needs to be built on every year at this level of net migration? Show me where this goes without turning the country into a concrete hell hole
@@dadoogie Liverpool is the size of 51mi². UK is 94,058.3 mi². Considering 9% is built on, roughly 85000mi² is left. This would take over 1666 years to build all over. That wouldn't happen anyway as it is expected the immigration will drop.
Anyway, there are some options. Like block of flats, or a large multi floor buildings. Or use buildings that are not used any more. Redevelop them. So many ideas, took me just 5 mins to look into it(think about it)
@@nothereandthereanywhere the high rise and flats idea is socially terrible. Not everyone wants to be sardines and the biggest bonus of UK living is our countryside which isn't just pretty but an industrial area where we produce things you can't tarmac over it. Also urban sprawl and high population density are detrimental to happiness and social cohesion.
@@dadoogie Socially terrible, or you just don't like it? Pretty much every country in Europe have high rise buildings, USA, Asia... But here, in UK, it is a terrible idea.
Pathetic
@@nothereandthereanywhere How is it pathetic? Space between neighbours leads to happier neighbourhoods. The kind of highrise buildings and flats in europe that i have seen have more floorspace and green areas than is the norm in the UK too so unless you're willing to change how we build in the UK i'll stick to wanting smaller communities and less migrants choking up the country and taking more services than they provide thanks.
I think it's fair to say that immigration also puts the NHS under more pressure since people who haven't paid into the system now use it, therfore immigration is the cause and solution of its own problem. We wouldn't need more NHS staff to work in the NHS if there wasn't 700k net migration a year. It's a self fulfilling prophiscy
Same for Australia but we able to dig stuff up.
What is actually happening on the opposite side of the world?
@@ricardophdddsmd 500,000 migrants in one year nowhere to live for newcomers. Rents through the roof for everybody else.
Are all these international students really going home afterwards or is it a gateway to permanent migration?
@@plokijplokij97 And indigenous people are locked into poverty
You have lost many Spanish doctors & nurses the pay is crap ,all free in Spain ,we have cheap equivalent of British med manufacturers 60 Ibuprofen € 1.90 ,sell up & move to Spain & learn the language ,cheap country houses here ,
I work at a fast food chain and the majority of our staff are now Indian immigrants.
The company has the ability to sponsor them on the government "skilled work visa" scheme and they have the right to remain in the country as fast food catering is classed (according to the government) as a skilled occupation. Also part of the visa scheme states the person has to at least be earning minimum wage to qualify for a skilled work visa.
And discussing with my Indian co-workers they have no plan on leaving the UK as A) there's no good job opportunities back in India B) the UK wage is higher than the indian wage and C) they are confident that they won't be deported because Britain is reliant on keeping it's trade deal with India so Britain won't want to upset the Indian government by deporting Indian immigrants and will be willing to accept further increases in immigration from India to maintain the trade deal.
@@plokijplokij97 Britain needs skilled work vacancies to be filled and developed. Fast food retail and catering aren't skilled work. The company I work for shouldn't have the ability to sponsor such immigrants for visas.
Look at the slide at 0:40. Note that this is NET i m m i g r a t i o n , i.e., the number of people coming into the country who do not leave.
Absolutely love the Net contribution figure .
Bring these incompetent politicians to justice ⚖️ total utter incompetence negligence to this country its culture its borders and the British tax payers !
They will import as many migrants as it takes to keep this system going for as long as possible.
We will look back in 10 years and not recognize much.
Enjoy what time we have left, I guess.
correct
Exactly. What London needs are 10 million more people in it, then the economic crisis will mysteriously dissappear.
I think your models and assumptions are wrong.
The scandanavian countries seem to do well economically with a low population. Polish gdp seems to be increasing with low migration.
If ten person lived in entire UK, they'd all be super rich.
More people doesn't necessarily mean gdp per capita increases. If anything it's leading to rent increases which are bankrupting local councils.
Immigration can have positive benefits but the UK is already densely populated and immigration at the current unprecedented levels will lead to major quality of life issues in the UK. We are not the USA and as such can't take advantage of immigration in the way they can without major downsides.
A few questions / points:
- Where did you get the information that for every job taken by an immigrant, another one is created?
- High levels of immigration is not a workable solution to ageing populations - it does not scale and is not sustainable. See UN report on this.
- "Without immigration the NHS would face longer waiting lists" - how so? the number of people working within the NHS nearly matches the number of foreign born. If we need doctors, we should look to up skill our own population, and or import doctors.
I think countries need a level of immigration where skills shortages exist, but what we have now is far from that, and outside of pressure on infrastructure, housing, etc etc, there are social issues that arise from it. We are literally seeing it happen in front of us.
I don't remember being asked if we wanted a 15% increase in population over the next 2 decades in the early 00s; any one with a brain bigger than a grape could work out there would be some seriously negative connotations associated with it.
Our government need to find a system that works, is fair for those that apply and to the native population; when they do, a great many problems will start to go away over time.
very well said - yes there are some serious holes in (some) information provided in this video, on some points he's reasonably balanced, but on others you can see the neoliberal bias coming through (line on graph must go up no matter the negative consequences)!
From my POV as a nurse they are very substandard and are willing to work for our poor wages which means whenever we want a payrise, the government just allow more migrants in to do our jobs. We haven't had a payrise since 2008 but there are still Africans that dream of our wages
"without immigration the nhs would face even longer waiting lists"........Not true, firstly we can issue 5 year work permits. (Workers do not need to emigrate from their country of origin). Secondly A growing population is itself putting strain on the nhs. Your premise that we need more immigrants is false
Go to any hospital and you immediately realise the majority of staff are foreigners...
The government has destroyed the economy and helped the rich get richer via tax loopholes and manipulating the markets.
Our problems are nothing to do with immigration...
Big👽 migration is a ponzi scheme i see that often in complaints
So you want to be Dubai but with 45% tax and exceptionally high crime rates... 😂😂
No one will come near that.
Very good analysis as always by Creven. Should the impact of no immigration or a significant reduction also be considered because its either one or the other, cant have it both ways ?
If there is a finite amount of work in our island economy which is currently in recession and likely to reduce the work available. Immigrants may be willing to take the work which is unappealing to non migrants but at the end of it someone will be on unemployment benefits and be taking from the public funds rather than contributing.
The UK is 23rd in the world table of GDP per capita. Ireland is at No.2. Who would have thunk it?
We essentially have QE with people to shore up the welfare state at any cost. Pensions must be funded or the country will face civil disorder.
Back in the 90s Drs and nurses will come to your home and assess you to treatment but now youll sit the waiting area for atleast 30mins before a dr sees you. Elderly people are becoming sicker and filling the waiting area and some them go there just to chat because they are bored at home so why not go fill up the waiting area in A and E?? Its shocking
Loads of vacancies + quickly rising wages = U.K. recession 😂😂😂
Higher rising wages is not gonna help you, if your outgoing is higher than the pay rise...
It seems that migration is being used as a crutch to avoid actually investing in productivity improvements and wage rises, essentially "throw more people at the problem". There's also the question of the quality of migrants - the average might be fine, but there seems to be far too many low-skilled migrants and not enough high-skilled migrants.
And that's just the economic side, there's also the thornier social and cultural issues to consider.
Have to add , that our low road tax is paid to the town you live in ,super free motorways , no potholes here in Spain ,road tax cheap here especially for transport vehicles
'If the government could build more houses the impact of immigration would be very different' Different meaning the complete destruction of British culture, environment and communities.
It's already happening. The sprawl of overpriced deno estates is sad. We could have Netherlands levels of road connections but they'd be an eyesore and blight on the country plus a huge money sink.
@@dadoogie Exactly and it's only getting worse, my beautiful picturesque town has been destroyed by this ideology of 'build more houses & more people = more GDP'.
Maybe the universities could explain their losses when they are coining it in from foreign students as well as domestic ones at almost ten grand a shot? Bit like the bankrupt councils. They are going bust but charge a fortune for often crappy (and also often privatised) services and do please remind us/apprise us of their salary and pension schemes! Britain seems to be more at sea than those on the small boats that the taxpayer is being asked to shell out for.
Foreign Students subsidize UK born students who don't pay enough.... The government sets a cap on tuition fees which does not apply to foreign students. Do you understand now?
I would guess that a lot of students never pay back their student loan because their income is so poor.
There needs to be more incentives to ensure that the courses most beneficial to our country attract the most people. We then need to ensure that those people end up in a decent job in our country. Importing immigrants to take their jobs is not helping.
UNIVERSITIES HAVE GROWN FAT , VICE CHANCELLORS GETTING FROM 200,000 TO 500,000
THIS IS OBSCENE.
THE BURDEN ON SOCIETY HAS GOT OUT OF CONTROL
AND HAS GREATLY DIMINISHED THE QUALITY
OF LIFE FOR NATIVE PEOPLE.
My impression is that these foreign students are very rich and contribute to create further inequalities both in the uk by by driving prices up and in their homelands by having better education than poor people thus with more chances of getting good jobs
17% of NHS staff are from overseas......what percentage of the country overall is from overseas? Isn't it quite similar?!
Would love to see a video how the cost of all these government officials over the last decade could possibly be a reason as to why the UK just cant seem to make enough income to cover all these public services, something nobody seems to talk about. The government should stop blaming everyone, the EU, immigrants etc etc etc. take some responsibility and accept that you f'd up.
Need more housing
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You give a good explanation of the lump of labour fallacy and point out that anti-immigration people are wrong when they say that immigrants take natives’ jobs. Earlier in the video, however, you say :“How come we have so many job vacancies and need migration to fill jobs?” But this is just a variation of the lump of labour fallacy! It assumes that there is a set number of jobs in the economy, and that every time an employer advertises a vacancy, that means there is a “need“.
Suppose I run a sandwich shop and I advertise for staff to make the sandwiches and I don’t get enough replies to my advert and I know I can’t put up my prices because my customers won’t pay higher prices so I have to close the shop. That does not mean there was a “need“ for sandwich makers. It simply means that my customers are not willing to pay the true price of the product they wish to consume. Therefore they will no longer get that product. This is the free market working as it should. There is no need for the government to intervene.
If you’re going to debunk the lump of labour fallacy, please debunk both variations of it!
(Of course, there are some areas where we really do need people, e.g. care workers. The answer to this is to pay them more. This obviously makes more economic sense in the long term than importing workers who will be able to leave the care sector and get a better paid job in a supermarket after they acquire permanent residency.)
If the Brits were willing to do those jobs then you wouldn't need so many immigrants. Apparently Brexit was supposed to sort everything out hey?
Social housing and a totally new taxation system could fix these problems. Won't happen.
My son TELLS ME 1 Pakistan student brought in 4 siblings. 2 Parents 4 grand parents. They all got housed in a 5 bedroom council house,house.. This was Durham university last year. No doubt the grandparents already have the State pension.If .5 m students bring 2 family members. Thats another milllion people the Government statistics lost behind the sofa, Also more inline with how much food the supermarkets sell.
The student didn't make the rules/laws that make this possible. Why don't you write to your MP and ask them? Or your son could?
International students are allowed to bring over their spouse and children (this policy is already changing). It’s not possible to bring over your parents, siblings, or grand parents on a student visa.
Why not google the actual visa policy instead of relying on some random story. Does it make sense to you that a single student can bring over both parents, siblings and all four grandparents on a single student visa??
@@romewillriseagain come on don't bring facts and critical thinking here we love to complain and facebook is our trusted news source 😂
They like the UK as it's easy to disappear. The rules are negligent now. The Government have effectively abdicated responsibility. One time there would have been face to face interviews. Politicians are more concerned with looting as much as they can until Civil war occurs when the country becomes the Islamic Republic of New Pakistan
8:48 this was debunked and quite frankly its blinding obvious. A Romanian family shes a cleaner and hes a labourer. Well they have kids who need school. Without mentioning the other public services. The number was 35 grand per person. Labourers and cleaners don't earn that. Even if they are paying tax it does not cover the services they use. They are working but also claiming benefits.
Scotland Wales and England are welcome to join the EU ❤😂🎉 to improve economy 😮😅😊
That ship has sailed,, the EU don't need our free money & I'm sure Germany with its huge financial surplus will support the rest of the failing block! 🤣
Low unemployment rate:
Gig economy and other self employed contractor systems. It alters the results of measurement.
Immigrant taking jobs are nasty politricks. Its used for political agendas when in reality
- visas can be limited.
You cant just walk into a country and take jobs, especially valuable job positions. But the same time movement limits high paying work visas. So when the demand shrinks, they just don't renew the visa. So an immigrant cant take a job away that wont be needed...
- immigrants need to live too
Most haters focus on "'migrants take our jobs, house and money" In reality nobody wants to work with someone who can barely speak the language and have almost no reference. Those jobs are unwanted by those who born in the country.
And a migrant who arrives spends the money too. So even if they "took away" a job, they need to live, pay rent, eat, furnish a home and more often they even bring money from wherever they came from.
About the 1% house price increase:
Debatable. There are articles out there that came to the conclusion that on the short term migrants reduce house prices. Usually they don't have much money so they share a house unlike most people who aim for their own house as a couple or parents. For this some landlords started to split their houses into flats and offer cheaper options.
However when UK is 30 years behind housing targets its still just filling a vacuum...
Immigrants usually increase house prices by that 1% WHEN they stay for more than 10 years. Dont forget there is a VISA system that can be revoked. But usually it takes 10years average to built up deposit for house ownership. But financially at that point its unlikely they want to leave the country, so whatever activity they make, the cashflow stays in the country.
Immigrant pushing wages down:
The UK is in a dangerous wage-price spiral. On general 30% of a pricetag is from labour cost. So people demand higher wages to keep up with prices companies increase prices to pay their workers.
And comes the usual problematic questions:
If nobody wants to take certain jobs, how can the prices be even pushed down? If immigrants realise there's no competition for their job roles because locals don't take them, they will ask for better payment because you don't leave your home country to end up in a run down flat and live on food bank...
But if they able to push prices down it means the price will be lower.
Or lets flip this:
The way I see it if a sector is in a great demand, skilled people usually decide to go private.
Even doctors and nurses if they don't go to abroad they decide to offer private services.
And local businesses often caters to local disposable demands. Gourmet cousine, luxury revenues, high end services... "And let the migrants serve the baseline".
Economy is more complicated than pointing fingers.
And brain drain is bad for the recipient country too:
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Regarding house prices, 1% extra demand doesn't seem like a huge effect, but considering a large proportion of immigrants are overwhelmingly wealthy, would they be more inclined to buy up a lot of property here, which really does drive up the prices? I'd be interested to see this explored by someone a bit more clued in than myself.
The overwhelming wealthy people are not interested in buying the middle range 3-bed-terrace house, and are not interested in becoming landlords (which is a very tedious job). They'd buy the big properties or very expensive London Flats. This won't affect the price of the average house.
@@miriamllamas224 Would that not push people who as a result can't afford the big property to instead outcompete for the next property down? Certainly many people can't afford a place in London and many left in recent years, inflating prices outside.
I suppose what I'm getting at is wealthier people have way more demand for assets and even if some have a bias to certain assets, there'd be a knock on effect to other assets as well.
@@dananskidolf I'm sure there are plenty of nice, expensive houses for the few wealthy ones.
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Funny to see that all other nations economy is growing but not Britain & the States ,rich entities have in my Valencian community 38,450 free University places .to us € are for spending but Education more important & my goodness arent the students intelligent an example:- students at Elche University discovered that treated sewage discharged in the sea found that urin from women on the pill was changing male sealife to females,. NOW treated on land as a fertiliser with the bonus of natural gas
Spain is now the largest producer of fine wines in the world , cheap here ,viva España 😅
Leaving the European Union!
WHAT A MESS!😡
Could be interesting to see the types of jobs that attracts the migrants. Healthcare jobs are paid better in other european countries.
Lol, the Med & Eastern Europe salaries are huge! 🤣
@@andrewtaylor6737 look at Scandinavia 😂
@@bjrnhjjakobsen2174 look at their weather / cost of living & tax 🤣
Migrants escaping from wars, hunger, terror, etc
I believe there are a low proportion of expats that come from developed countries.
£24 billion on immigration bill !!! This is unsustainable 👎👎👎👎👎👎
But those responsible will have long consolidated their gains and disappeared
Why do you assume government revenue will increase with migration? Britain has not made a fiscal surplus in 23 years. More people is not going to cure lack of productivity unless they are forced to work for sweatshop rates. Perhaps that is you plan?
I am pretty sure he does not have a plan, he is not a politician.
Calm down.
He is clueless and without any answers so he could play the role of either an economist or politician@@SubjectiveFunny
@@xtc2v no mention of growing anger at european kulture disappearing replaced by 👽 same in australia canada new zealand the sh#t will hit the fan soon
@@SubjectiveFunny yes the first rumblings of resentment to our kulture being replaced by 👽
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4:46 i have never understood how selling of council houses has lead to a shortage.
If you have ten 3 bed council houses and five are sold. You still have ten 3 bed houses, they can still house ten familes of 5. Be it owned by the council, owned by the occupiers. Or rented out by a landlord.
If you have a shortage you would have had one any way. To stop the shortage you either need to stop the population growing and/or build more houses.
Council housing is actually affordable, as it is nonprofit effectively a public service. People can pay the rent and bills, with reasonable disposable income left over to spend, which benefits the local economy.
Houses let out by private landlords are done so for profit, and often so expensive at the 'market rate' that they eat up the bulk of people's income. They are sometimes completely unaffordable to the average worker and sit entirely empty for long periods.
The council houses don't disappear when sold off the the private sector, sure. But if they're suddenly unaffordable to most people, they may as well do.
@@Curmudgeonist if they were "unaffordable" in the true sence of the word. People would not rent them and the landlord would get in Income.
If rents are to high , then we are back to overall lack of supply.
@@Curmudgeonist yes council housing often just become part of the foreign ade budge.
I doubt that the Indian population is going to decline naturally - exept maybe through mass emigration. the births per women are still very robust, and the life expectancy, currently one of the lowest in the world, is bound to increase substantially.
India's TFR is under 2 now. Population is only increasing because of rapid increase in life expectancy. They aren't even replacing fully. They will have a declining population in 30 years just like china has now.
Can the economy cope? It is an esoteric question. The economy is NOT coping. Our hard earned tax money should be for our already population.
"our tax money" huh, you do realise people on work visas pay taxes aswell right? including an extra surcharge for the NHS, a lot more than any british citizen would pay
@@user-zj6hn4nb1m why let facts get in the way of a good right wing rant? The government has every reason to make people like him look outward at the sea rather than asking the question, where has the money gone? Who has it?
@@user-zj6hn4nb1m zYou are speaking to the wrong person my friend. I will be 74 next month, still work full time and have paid tax for almost 60 years. I believe I am entitled to have an opinion. How many years have you paid in and how long before you catch me up?
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Sure, nobody is saying you aren't entitled to an opinion. That's why you as a citizen get to vote to decide the future of your country and residents who aren't citizens don't.
But lets not pretend legal immigrants are somehow taking your "hard earned tax money" when we contribute more than our fair share and accept all the restrictions including not having any entitlement to public funds.
@@user-zj6hn4nb1m I work with Polish, Romanian, African and East Timor colleagues day in - day out at my place of work. They all work hard and contribute to our society. They understand that my great grandparents, grandparents and parents paid tax to ensure I had a better future. If the government is taking tax from you that is only fair. The family I have living memory of suffered hardships to make our country a better place. If you resent paying for the society they (and me) created and paid for the door is open for you to leave.
You have a FME !
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Who going to pick the fruit? Who is going pick the vegetables? Who is going to clean old English people’s bums?
Who’s going to do it?
Who?
If you don't have cheap migrant labour farmers will invest in machinery and the wages for care workers will rise to the level where people will do it. Once the costs of care reach a high enough level families will look after the elderly instead of packing them off into a home. Once we can't take on more debt welfare payments will stop
Universities are a big problem in the UK. Migrant labour would not be needed if young people started working earlier. We need more vocational training and it needs to be valued. Most people learn on the job better than in a lecture hall. University life makes people lazy
Everyone had it good for over 10years , what all crying about now .
They're crying as the free money has run out, should have saved for this rainy day!
Did I miss the Free money 💰 ?
@@chrishart8548 low interest rates if you had a mortgage / full employment & free ferlow money, the good times are well & truly over!
hey, it's the Tories' "Global Britain" where the rest of the globe moves to the UK! Good job, Brexiters.
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It has to stop NOW.
enough is enough .
Education is an export industry, very good, unless you let them stay after and claim benefits. 🙄
Work and dependent might be mostly good also as long as they are not claiming benefits. 🙄
It is the 250 K of other of which mostly have to be paid for and claim benefits that gets people mad. 😤🤷♂️
A lot of clowns in the comments 😎
Yikes yikes yiiiikes the racism in the comments is grim
Oh dear 😊
This guy's just reading this from a computer .... A lot of what he's saying is not really what's happening in your country ....
750k came in and 500k went out of the UK so its 250k in. A lot are from India and living with their families, a lot are students and live in student 'digs'. Take the death rate against the birth rate and that takes another 100k out of the equation. Hence the immigration figures are not really what they seem, it is a LOT less.
as for jobs a lot are part time low paid that no one really wants and it looks as if there r a lot of jobs available. Thake the turnaround figures out of the equation and there are a LOT less than the media advises.
It depends HOW you look at the real figures that paint the real tale here.
1.2 million came in. 500k left. 672k net. Where are you getting 250k from?
@@magnets1000 is govt stating true figures for migration are they higher australia getting record big 👽 migration we dont want it rubbery figures govt use catchup migration after pandemic border lockdowns we had 100k migrants a year in 2000 now 260k is new normal housing crisis canada same something strange here
And add bithrate
When the Conservatives lost the 1997 election the Country was in great financial health, the best since the War. Since then we have had non stop Socialism first with Blairs Labour and then the last 13 years with the Tories. Both Labour and the Tories have run the Country into the ground. We need some real conviction Politicians who believe in Capitalism and business because that's where the money comes from to pay for everything.
we need cheap energy to even consider manufacturing again
The run from 1997 - 2008 was awful, wasn't it?
Lol, why did the tories lose the 97 election if things were that great?
This is all because of the sins that you all had committed cruely