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One of my favorite stories of Diogenes is when he is using a bowl to drink water and then sees a little boy drinking from his hands. Upon witnessing the boy do this he shatters his bowl and cries "what a fool i have been!"
One of the many insane Diogenes stories: to challenge him intellectually and his choice living in ultimate poverty, a rich greek invited him to his luxurious home . So he shows him around his beautiful house boasting to him. In the end Diogenes spits on the rich mans face saying "Sorry but with all this beauty around me, i couldn't find of a better place to spit ". Diogenes was really something else.
@venicec3310 perhaps. i am greek and I know the story as I wrote it,but who knows it could have happened slightly different as your version which however though ends to the same thing: he spitted on his face instead of his beautiful house he let him boasting about hahaha,wish I was present to such a hilarious incident.
Can’t help but see enormous parallels between him and Indian cynics and ascetics of his time. Good chance that there was a global undercurrent of similar philosophical ideas parallel to the mainstream ways of life in different regions of the world/
@@ninadgadre3934 Then again it might also be possible that these thinkers reached similar conclusions in parallel without really knowing about each others philosophies
@bartolomeuszkosciuk2006 it’s not just the way I interpreted it, it’s the way the comment was worded. It means the same thing as the glass half empty or full saying.
Can I just say that I appreciate the fact this video doesnt have some faux emotional piano background music or something like that? He lets his charisma and ideas carry the video and it works brilliantly
Diogenes was great. Basically showed society that 99% of our daily woes and troubles are almost entirely self made. And society basically agreed, but continued on anyway. A shame really.
@@TheXantaur he wasn't a slave he was a guy he was a resident of the city he didn't have a family to care for. Anyone of those things not being true would have made it impossible for him to live that lifestyle and cosplay.
@@isiahs9312 Actually Diogenes was captured and sold as a slave by pirates in the latter half of his life, according to many secondhand accounts - he was sold to a house and taken to teach their children as a tutor due to his wit, he only lived in the ceramic jar in the public for part of his life though its written in some accounts that he was later seen in that same area he was sold to living in a jar later in his life, he definitely had a period of non-freedom
I wonder (if the story is true) how often Alexander, his army refusing to conquer more and his power diminishing, was thinking about this encounter... He made a name, but was he free?
Feeling guilt (temporarily) can be instructive, but long lasting shame is toxic and serves no good purpose. It’s a malfunction of the limbic system stored as trauma.
Authenticity comes with a price that most of us are not willing pay. You can’t truly divorce yourself from what other people think as you would lose their validation. Sometimes you just wish you didn’t care like Diaogenes
What value is it in their validation? What is it that validated them for them to then be a validation? You're a garbage human being. You're a cast of flesh and fear and helpless hopefulness. You suck so deeply it makes my heart hurt. As am I, as is your mother. You cannot look upon your life or mine and compare it to the people who have come before and say either of us adds up to any one of millions. To think, you validate others. Is the height of self contention. They cannot validate you, you cannot validate them. All we can do is stroke the egos and build up the spirit. The validation comes from the unity of the self within self. By war with the self. Hope that helps. ❤ Wrap it back around. If we all suck. We all have an obligation to help each other suck less.
Like all those executive twats in the corporate world. They look down on the Diogenes’es of the world when they’re the slaves and live for cheap validation from other slaves.
But there comes a problem, what you "care" for isn't really genuine, so you are locking yourself in this endless fakeness... Another one of those who do not practice what they preach (me).
All people are same only state of mind where you were born high or low because person was born didn't know where they belonged until they reached to certain age l was kidnapped l was a baby so all my life until recently l didn't know any thing about myself every person is unique with their own inheritage more important to live as human beings not as animals Not like prince Charles keeping his land empty and claming benefit from European union for each acre £4000 every year Not over producing Keep stable price on goods What sort of royalty is within him? Just a monster Other parts of the world people are dying with starvation People should judge people not with royalty only with their behaviour
Society is a construct in our minds. This construct did however lead to the wonders we have around us. This kid teaching me philosophy better than the professors I had. TOOL fear innoculum album. REN. Keplar telescope. Space x... Of course it is crumbling around us like the Titanic and we are hanging out near the band.
Which is also the reason why you dont mess with someone who lost everything, especially when you still have things to lose. They are free from anything and everything except death
If you have no wealth, nobody can steal from you. Imagine the pain of sacrificing years of your life working in the hot sun when you could be having fun only to have it all taken from you by the government or an angry ex. Your home can be burnt down because you looked at the wrong person funny. Your kids can be used as threats. The more detached you are, the less you have to worry about losing. And the more you can focus on savoring the good. Like the taste of your food, the feeling of the wind rustling your hair and face, the way your never alone even on a dark midnight walk as the birds are all around you, or just revel internally at what you have become throughout your life. And if you are as skilled as Diogenes, then you could find work if you tried, so he is not as afraid of not being able to find food as someone without his skills. He just doesn't do it unless he has too.
Oddly enough.I have lived both lifestyles and can say there is a lot of wisdom in this philosophy.I find Myself questioning if the simple life is the most rewarding quite often.
Thank you for posting this informative video. I can relate to Diogenes' views as I have experienced homelessness myself and while it wasn't a pleasant experience, I did have a sense of freedom not having any ties to anyone or anything at the time and being able to go anywhere I wanted and doing anything I wanted, within reason, of course. I am currently in a long-standing relationship, so I do have some attachments, but I have been able to give up my feelings of attachment to most things in this world and it gives me such a sense of freedom from worrying about things that don't directly affect me or my life. I consider myself a bit of a stoic in where I don't stress much about things that I cannot control and that don't really affect my life. I do one day see myself being homeless again if my relationship ever came to an end, but I don't feel that I would be too disappointed when that time comes. I have grown weary of society and being around most humans and if I could find a way to live as a hermit, I would do so without hesitation. I consider myself a philosopher even though I have had no educational training in the subject, but then I consider everyone a philosopher to a point regardless of their education. I did find it a little disturbing when you said that "we no longer practice ostracism or slavery or relegate women to the role of second-class citizens" because these things are very much in practice even today.
Love your videos! Love Diogenes. So many awesome gems. I just want to share three anecdotes that I only ever read in the philosopher's biography. One that I find hilarious: someone agreed to give him money if Diogenes could convince him to do so. The beggar said: "if I had the power to convince you, I'd convince you to hang yourself". Another one is both witty and profound: Diogenes saw priests kicking a boy thief out of a temple. He exclaimed: "look how the big thieves kick out the smaller thief". Finally one that really speaks to my heart: someone asked Diogenes why wouldn't he accept at least some wealth, as he was old and close to death. He answered: "would you ask a runner to slow down just because he sees the finish line?" Quoting a tribute made for Diogenes and referring to him: thank you for showing us that life is all that life needs.
My favorite excerpt from his life is one of his encounters with Plato. I don’t remember exactly how I heard it told, but Diogenes, after being chastised for washing greens in the stream, is told that pandering to nobility/power would free him from this lifestyle. Diogenes retorted along the lines of “if you would wash your lettuce in the stream, you wouldn’t need to posture in their courts.” It has helped me chase my desires and live in accordance with what I believe, just putting your head down and doing the legwork personally is much more fulfilling than actions that improve the light in which you’re seen socially (so long as the things you do are what you believe to be right)
@@thatonezone yeah I remember that, that's a good one. If I'm not mistaken, the conversation went like: "see... You wouldn't have to wash greens if only you pandered to mr Dyonisus". And Diogenes: "you wouldn't have to pander to Mr Dyonisus, if only you washed greens".
I'm houseless for many of the exact philosophical thoughts I'd concluded on my own, and had no idea this guy existed until semi-recently. I love that I feel understood, or better said perhaps, I'm glad I deeply understand his philosophical views. The cost of freedom is comfort.
Getting rid of all your luxuries and comforts reminds me a lot of the Buddhism concept of wants causing suffering (I've been swarmed by Buddhism stuff lately for various reasons). Took me a while to understand that mindset because it goes against everything I was taught growing up, but I can get down with this kind of mindset to some extent (just not to the extent of Diogenes, that's too much for me). Though Buddhism is more about eliminating suffering when you can, whereas Diogenes seems to be more about enjoying the thrill of discomfort. 14:55 "What would you do if you genuinely did not care what other people thought. Would you quit your job and live off the grid? Would you start a whole new life leaving behind only a note? Would you decide to donate all of your possessions and become a monk?" - I mean I'd happily go off the grid if I knew how to. Basically all land is owned, so gotta pay someone for the land, and for that you need a source of income. - Starting a new life is something I probably should've done long ago. Sometimes ya need a fresh start. I just don't want that start to be filled with debt for the rest of life. - Donating all my possessions to become a monk is something I'd strongly consider doing. The happiest times in my life are when I am not doing something, or just meditating, and learning to enjoy the little things in life. This is a huge contrast to how I grew up where video games were the only thing that made me happy since they've always been max stimulation at all times. Then as time went on I realized I just play most video games just because I haven't completed them because of FOMO, with some video games just artificially increasing game length through pointless grinding. Still hard to resist video games, but I am definitely more picky about the games I play now because life begins to fall apart if I allow myself to play a grindy game(especially when trying to keep up with friends that have more time than I do). I feel that if I stopped playing video games entirely, that probably do more good than harm as much as it pains me to say... Buuuut just let me play The Talos Principle first before taking my games away because I've heard waaaay too many good things about that game over the years but somehow don't know anything about it other than it deals with psychology in some way =p
For the record Jesus Christ was also anti materialist. I wonder where Jesus traveled. The Bible doesn’t cover Christ’s life from age 13 to age 30. Did he travel east? Study with zoroastrian and Buddhists? Seems plausible. Thanks for listening.
Diogenes has always been on of my favorite historical figures! I got hooked on some of your Nietzsche videos and was very excited to see this one after subscribing. Thank you for making my surgery recovery much more interesting!
in point of fact he did not hate everyone. because he was an honest man he did not hate himself. the extreme price of his lifestyle was less noxious than the loss of his own self-respect and love.
The way Diogenes spoke about the three types of creatures e.g. God, Human and Animals makes a lot of sense in the context of why he doesn’t bother to treat high powered personalities any different from regular folks when I think about it. He isn’t concerned about God because that is out of his reach, and animals just cease to exist and have no objective goals or future plans as they are driven by their natural instincts, meanwhile humans being the only conscious species we are so far able to find who are self conscious about their life in the whole wide universe, making us the rarest of the rare, now the difference among humans may be their intelligence or power or whatever but at the end we all are humans and are not so different from each other. Honestly I can’t put a finger on what I am trying to convey and this whole para might make me look like a yapperela but I thought I must write it out anyway
Hello fellow internet stranger. I wanna mention that I don’t think your yapping was aimless. I resonate with your point that Diogenes seems to have seen past the external markers of status and the intrinsic abilities or traits that help people gain it, and in that way saw humans as just people like him. Maybe he could have thought, “I could have been Alexander under different circumstances instead. Just as I had limited influence over my circumstances, so did Alexander. In the end he is just a man like me.” I think that his view allows someone to have greater personal power, which allowed for the freedom he carried himself with. Cool stuff
The difference might be the stories we have accumulated up untill the point of meeting another soul and how we as Individuals inflate/deflate said stories to treat the recipient of what ever conversation that might spark between stranger.
He has a point. We work 40 hours a week for decades to ultimately be able to retire and be able to do whatever we want. Diogenes worked 0 hours a week and still did whatever he wanted...
One advantage of being shameless is that a shameless person is immune to blackmail since blackmail depends on what other people think of you. The motto of a shameless person might be "What you think of me is none of my business" and that is at variance with the finger pointing of so many of today's woke movements.
The last job I had I once wore a philosophy T-shirt to work and my manager asked who my favorite philosopher is. When I said that it was Diogenes my manager laughed. I asked why that was funny and he said, "I don't know, I just never heard anyone say their favorite philosopher was Diogenes."
Food for thought there, though I can't help but classify Diogenes' stance as less "living one's life" than suffering from it. The quantity of milk in the glass is not the issue if it has soured.
Very impressive explanation of Diogenes of Sinope. I first read about the "mad Socrates" some 40 years ago. Have always admired his philosophy, and you put it in easy modern language and concepts.
I don't think he'd hate me. I'm just waiting to die. The only reason I work a job and pretend to enjoy other people's company is to provide myself with a less miserable experience. I give up a small amount of freedom in order to live indoors, have access to food and electricity and alcohol.
The more I listen, the more I am humbled by the philosophies of Diogenes despite being portrayed as a naked beggar, yet he didn't feel the type of 'shameless' emotions that everyone will feel despite being one of the Greatest Philosophers. Even though he may have satisfied himself in public, his psychological and deep philosophies against the norms of humanity thinking. My respects to Diogenes and top marks for this video.
He also just didn't give a "f" that's why he's also just liked. He isn't shallow or doesn't follow his own thinking. He was show don't tell of philosophers . That's my reasoning to why he's just so respected. oh and the anecdotes help telling people not into philosophy. And they get into it lmao
Would’ve loved to see Diogenes have it out with Hobbes. I thought Hobbes really nailed it describing the reason people congregate being for security of themselves and their property. I guess that doesn’t really matter if you don’t care about either one lmao
@@omegadoinker6919 but in the end he ended up begging for food and that is not freedom but the opposite of freedom. Also, he clearly desired for a woman hence the need to do you know what in public. So for me, he is not free what so ever. Dogs can collect their own food and not beg.
I am becoming more like him.. I'm embracing minimalism to the max til only that which conveniences me remains.. I look around & see a very mentally ill society that expends much time & energy for the sake of delusional productivity
I believe Diogenes's idea of total renunciation somewhat connects Schopenhauer's interpretation of Buddhism and one of it's central ideas of Nirvana, which was the path to enlightenment through the renunciation of earthly desires
Some of this reminds me of the dokkodo "The Path of Aloneness by musashi The 21 principles of Dokkodo: Accept everything just the way it is. Do not seek pleasure for its own sake. Do not, under any circumstances, depend on a partial feeling. Think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world. Be detached from desire your whole life long. Do not regret what you have done. Never be jealous. Never let yourself be saddened by a separation. Resentment and complaint are appropriate neither for oneself nor others. Do not let yourself be guided by the feeling of lust or love. In all things have no preferences. Be indifferent to where you live. Do not pursue the taste of good food. Do not hold on to possessions you no longer need. Do not act following customary beliefs. Do not collect weapons or practice with weapons beyond what is useful. Do not fear death. Do not seek to possess either goods or fiefs for your old age. Respect Buddha and the gods without counting on their help. You may abandon your own body but you must preserve your honor. Never stray from the Way.
Sorry I should have clarified. The Greek practice of Ostracism was an explicitly legal thing that stripped someone of all or most of their property, and physically exiled them from the city
What few people realize is Diogenes invented the time machine and went back to help humanity but everyone thought his theories were insane so he was stuck with nobody listening to him and no way back.
I was thinking about your comment regarding freedom in wealth vs. freedom in poverty, and I think there is a nuanced difference. If you are wealthy you have the freedom to choose, you have to money to pay for things. This is a freedom in a sense, you are not oppressed by the lack of wealth. However, for Diogenes, freedom meant living live regardless of commitment to material things. It's kind of like the fight club quote: "the things we own end up owning us", or the parabel about the man and the goat: "There was a man who had almost nothing, thus he had almost no problems. One day the man got a goat, and from that day forward he also had goat problems". Furthermore, the freedom that comes through wealth is mostly seen through material gains, like cars, houses, vacations. So, in the eyes of Diogenes these are all more chains binding you down, so for him meaningless. All these commitments require attention and responsibility to maintain, which costs you more time in the end. So for Diogenes it's a downward spiral.
Referred to by his contemporaries as a "Socrates gone mad". And like Socrates, his fate was also prophesied by the oracle of Delphi, namely to "adulterate the currency". Which he did culturally after he did it as a coin-maker in Sinope before fleeing to Athens.
My favourite story about Diogenes is that he owned a bowl so he could drink water from a nearby fountain, but one day he saw a child cupping their hands to drink from it, he immediately tossed the bowl away because he didn't need it
I never studied any philosophy, and I have never heard of Diogenes until this video. I've been seeing the world so similarly as him, that this video walked me to a whole new rabbit hole I'm gonna get lost for a few weeks!
I often think about how if I lost everything I’d be far happier to the point where when I watched your video about “I have no mouth and I must scream” and heard the ending I though, ah yes that sounds like it would be an incredibly pleasant and freeing life to be stuck as that creature that Ted became. But I could never do that, since as long as I am capable and there are other people who I could improve the lives of, I will work to do that and I refuse to simply give up and live that comfortably powerless life. I’ve suffered too much to not make other people’s lives better. I was strong enough to make it through my suffering, but I feel I will be wasting my life if I don’t help those who aren’t strong enough to make it alone, and also I want to make sure people can achieve their dreams, I never could achieve my dream of living a simple life, so instead I should help others achieve theirs.
Hello sir, love your content and I was curious do you have any educational background in philosophy as I myself am very interested in philosophy for about 3-4yrs although I try to study what I can on my own and with the help of content like yours i was really fascinated by your knowledge and was just wondering is reaching a level of knowledge like yours practically possible while managing my studies and genral life. Thank you
I can just see Plato at the academy calmly talking about his ideas with a few others who are listening intently, only to have Diogenes kick the doors open with a plucked chicken above his head “BEHOLD….MAN!”
At 7:27 a thought occurred that Diogenes was bad mannered. He had no respect for authority, leaders and all the rest. It also occurred to me that there is a dark side to manners. Not only do manners allow us to live decently with other people but they are a mark of rank and an instrument of exclusion and enforcing class, upper or lower. The phrase "Who do they think they are?" says it all. So extreme manners are oppressive. The middle way is best.
I would be very curious to hear about what other philosophers have to say about shame. Really enjoying your channel! My passion and education is evolutionary biology, and I have wondered if shame is actually hardwired or soft wired (memetic). Is it innate in social creatures as a non violent means of forcing conformity in order to maintain social cohesion? Or is it purely a societal construct that we have used for better or worse? A mix and something in between, I’m sure.
Diogenes' philosophy is still relevant I think. Nowadays we have quiet quiters, Tang Ping and people declaring their sovereignity. I think all of them could learn from Diogenes what it takes to be free. But they should also read Epictetus' lesson on what it takes to become a Cynic philosopher. A good warning it isn't a small endeavour.
I know somebody like this. He's looked upon dubiously by the rest of his fraternity, and arguing with him is like wrangling a tornado, but it's never boring. He hates axioms, and debating with him takes forever, but in his questioning and extremely rude statements, one's own flawed arguments become clear. I'm still pissed off he said no to my dinner invitations.
I wish I could like this video twice, but I can't. So here's a comment. Great video friend, you've made me learn more about probably my most favorite old school philosopher.
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i was wondering when he'll be up on the table!!! finally!!!!
“Poverty constitutes ultimate freedom”? Or “Voluntary poverty constitutes ultimate freedom”. I have read anything of his so I don’t know.
I will stay on " to believe in an idea is to willing to betray it."
this is just what communism was supposed to be like
OMG you Joseph Folley are so shameless! How dare you talk like that?
One of my favorite stories of Diogenes is when he is using a bowl to drink water and then sees a little boy drinking from his hands. Upon witnessing the boy do this he shatters his bowl and cries "what a fool i have been!"
Haha! I love how many stories there are about him and they’re all fantastic!
😂😂😂
Mines the one where he sees the son of a prostitute throwing rocks into a crowd and tells him to be careful because he might hit his father
This is such a great story. Thanks for sharing
I tell this one sometimes bc it illustrates his philosophy pretty well
Diogenes is like that friend that's technically not wrong, but definitely think twice before you introduce him to your other friends.
I’m like that. I won’t keep friends that treat me that way. They can f themselves. I only wish I could be even more like Diogenes.
@@wintermatherne2524 Some friends may not vibe with other friends. Do what you want, friendo.
lol not cleaning yourself is a dick move. even animals clean themselves.
I'm pretty sure that if he could have Diogenes would have licked himself clean, yeah?
😂yes
"If I were not Alexander, I would want to be Diogenes."
"If I were not Diogenes, I would also want to be Diogenes."
😂 the logic 😊
One of the many insane Diogenes stories: to challenge him intellectually and his choice living in ultimate poverty, a rich greek invited him to his luxurious home . So he shows him around his beautiful house boasting to him. In the end Diogenes spits on the rich mans face saying "Sorry but with all this beauty around me, i couldn't find of a better place to spit ". Diogenes was really something else.
I wish I could be Diogenes except I don’t like getting my ass kicked.
I thought it went more like the house owner asked him to not spit on the floor so instead diogenes spit in his face
@venicec3310 perhaps. i am greek and I know the story as I wrote it,but who knows it could have happened slightly different as your version which however though ends to the same thing: he spitted on his face instead of his beautiful house he let him boasting about hahaha,wish I was present to such a hilarious incident.
@@venicec3310 unfortunately all stories about Diogenes are second hand. We'll never know which stories and which versions are true.
Sounds like a typical bitter douche who hates everyone. He'd be daniel larson if he was alive today.
Love him or hate him, Diogenes lived what he preached and no one can take that away from him
So one could say that that was the one thing he could not go without
Can’t help but see enormous parallels between him and Indian cynics and ascetics of his time. Good chance that there was a global undercurrent of similar philosophical ideas parallel to the mainstream ways of life in different regions of the world/
@@ninadgadre3934 Its very likely that there were, the ancient world was probably more interconnected than we tend to realise
@@ninadgadre3934 Then again it might also be possible that these thinkers reached similar conclusions in parallel without really knowing about each others philosophies
@@miguelpereira9859agreed, both fascinating possibilities
Nothing is more dangerous than a man with nothong to lose and Diogenses avoided having anything to lose.
I just defecated in a street and I feel like a trillion dollars
@@beammeupscotty3074 really?
*How to respond when someone asks what do you do for a living:*
*being an unemployed, homeless, loser* ❌️
*being a discipline of diogenes* ✅️
Breathing, eating and sleeping
@bartolomeuszkosciuk2006this took me a few tries to understand but now that it makes sense I agree
@bartolomeuszkosciuk2006 it’s not just the way I interpreted it, it’s the way the comment was worded. It means the same thing as the glass half empty or full saying.
Based, just add video games and it's asmongold on some level 😭
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Can I just say that I appreciate the fact this video doesnt have some faux emotional piano background music or something like that? He lets his charisma and ideas carry the video and it works brilliantly
He edits his breathing, thus the talk has no natural pauses.
True. But we could also do without the constant zooming in and out. Natural always beats edited by a long shot.
Oh hellyeah. You're pic is a fantastic album.
@@diavolacciosatanasso it doesnt bother me perssonally
@@mortalexo103 Thanks, I agree
Diogenes was great. Basically showed society that 99% of our daily woes and troubles are almost entirely self made. And society basically agreed, but continued on anyway. A shame really.
Thing was he was privileged enough to do that.
@@isiahs9312 yes you are right insofar as he was supplied a pot to live in and was able to successfully beg for meals
@@TheXantaur he wasn't a slave he was a guy he was a resident of the city he didn't have a family to care for. Anyone of those things not being true would have made it impossible for him to live that lifestyle and cosplay.
@@isiahs9312 Actually Diogenes was captured and sold as a slave by pirates in the latter half of his life, according to many secondhand accounts - he was sold to a house and taken to teach their children as a tutor due to his wit, he only lived in the ceramic jar in the public for part of his life
though its written in some accounts that he was later seen in that same area he was sold to living in a jar later in his life, he definitely had a period of non-freedom
@@isiahs9312 You choose to have a family. He didn't. That's just decision making, nothing else.
He is one of my favorite philosophers, I don't universally agree with him but he was resolute and consistent.
Diogenes, the one dude that made Alexander the great almost want to be him 🔥
It is a cracking story!
"If I were not Alexander, I would want to be Diogenes."
"If I were not Diogenes, I would also want to be Diogenes."
I wonder (if the story is true) how often Alexander, his army refusing to conquer more and his power diminishing, was thinking about this encounter... He made a name, but was he free?
@@daanschone1548 Nah he wasn't.
Feeling guilt (temporarily) can be instructive, but long lasting shame is toxic and serves no good purpose. It’s a malfunction of the limbic system stored as trauma.
Only primal therapy can outdo that
My cross to bear unfortunately.....can't even say for sure it's shame that belongs to me, but I carry it still.
@@legatron7299you mean hard cardio?
@@paolo3287 no check Arthur janov
Authenticity comes with a price that most of us are not willing pay. You can’t truly divorce yourself from what other people think as you would lose their validation.
Sometimes you just wish you didn’t care like Diaogenes
What value is it in their validation? What is it that validated them for them to then be a validation?
You're a garbage human being. You're a cast of flesh and fear and helpless hopefulness.
You suck so deeply it makes my heart hurt.
As am I, as is your mother. You cannot look upon your life or mine and compare it to the people who have come before and say either of us adds up to any one of millions.
To think, you validate others. Is the height of self contention. They cannot validate you, you cannot validate them.
All we can do is stroke the egos and build up the spirit.
The validation comes from the unity of the self within self. By war with the self.
Hope that helps. ❤
Wrap it back around. If we all suck. We all have an obligation to help each other suck less.
Like all those executive twats in the corporate world. They look down on the Diogenes’es of the world when they’re the slaves and live for cheap validation from other slaves.
But there comes a problem, what you "care" for isn't really genuine, so you are locking yourself in this endless fakeness... Another one of those who do not practice what they preach (me).
All people are same only state
of mind where you were born
high or low because person was born didn't know where they
belonged until they reached to
certain age l was kidnapped l
was a baby so all my life until
recently l didn't know any thing
about myself every person is
unique with their own inheritage
more important to live as human
beings not as animals
Not like prince Charles keeping
his land empty and claming
benefit from European union
for each acre £4000 every year
Not over producing Keep stable
price on goods
What sort of royalty is within him? Just a monster Other parts of the world people are dying with starvation
People should judge people not
with royalty only with their
behaviour
Society is a construct in our minds. This construct did however lead to the wonders we have around us. This kid teaching me philosophy better than the professors I had. TOOL fear innoculum album. REN. Keplar telescope. Space x... Of course it is crumbling around us like the Titanic and we are hanging out near the band.
If you can take from a man he is not free, but once you take everything from him. He is free again.
Which is also the reason why you dont mess with someone who lost everything, especially when you still have things to lose. They are free from anything and everything except death
My favorite of the classical philosophers. “You live like a dog sir”, proceeds to piss on man’s foot.
"Their is only a finger's difference between a wise man and a fool." And we all know what finger!
“You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy.” -Diogenes
Except that he wasn't happy, and he wouldn't be happy even if he owned everything.
@@fuzkforyou how do you know?
“You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy.” - Jesus
@@Schweizer_Politik I'm way too similiar to him to take stupid guesses.
This is mindblowing.
If you have no wealth, nobody can steal from you. Imagine the pain of sacrificing years of your life working in the hot sun when you could be having fun only to have it all taken from you by the government or an angry ex.
Your home can be burnt down because you looked at the wrong person funny.
Your kids can be used as threats.
The more detached you are, the less you have to worry about losing. And the more you can focus on savoring the good. Like the taste of your food, the feeling of the wind rustling your hair and face, the way your never alone even on a dark midnight walk as the birds are all around you, or just revel internally at what you have become throughout your life.
And if you are as skilled as Diogenes, then you could find work if you tried, so he is not as afraid of not being able to find food as someone without his skills. He just doesn't do it unless he has too.
I like wearing deodorant, thanks
You are making an idol out of independence.
Diogenes would be fun at (certain) parties.
Haha! He is definitely on my list of people from history I would love to have a drink with
A discussion with Antiphanes might have proven enlightening.
diogenes would NOT want to be at a party
He’ll criticize you and your party till you throw him out, then proceeds to ask for some bread on his way out.
@@32523Bwahahaha it's a dogging party
Dude, you are so eloquent. Like the energy and style with which you talk is so good.
While he is quite intelligent he definitely gains 30 IQ points with that accent.
@@projectoldman1971 brits are funny, the accent makes some of them sound +30 IQ, and others sound -30 IQ
Oddly enough.I have lived both lifestyles and can say there is a lot of wisdom in this philosophy.I find Myself questioning if the simple life is the most rewarding quite often.
I imagine it depends on what outside responsibilities one takes on.
Always waiting for your videos, best channel on RUclips for me!
Thank you! I always appreciate your encouraging comments
Thank you so much for bringing us philosophy for free! I realise how good of an educator you are - my Highschool philosophy classes could never! Bravo
"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose" ❤
Diogenes was too based for the world.
Thank you for posting this informative video.
I can relate to Diogenes' views as I have experienced homelessness myself and while it wasn't a pleasant experience, I did have a sense of freedom not having any ties to anyone or anything at the time and being able to go anywhere I wanted and doing anything I wanted, within reason, of course. I am currently in a long-standing relationship, so I do have some attachments, but I have been able to give up my feelings of attachment to most things in this world and it gives me such a sense of freedom from worrying about things that don't directly affect me or my life. I consider myself a bit of a stoic in where I don't stress much about things that I cannot control and that don't really affect my life. I do one day see myself being homeless again if my relationship ever came to an end, but I don't feel that I would be too disappointed when that time comes. I have grown weary of society and being around most humans and if I could find a way to live as a hermit, I would do so without hesitation. I consider myself a philosopher even though I have had no educational training in the subject, but then I consider everyone a philosopher to a point regardless of their education.
I did find it a little disturbing when you said that "we no longer practice ostracism or slavery or relegate women to the role of second-class citizens" because these things are very much in practice even today.
Live within you means even when gaining, rely on your own power, and question the hell out of authority; is what i take from Diogenes.
A good general philosophy.
Love your videos!
Love Diogenes. So many awesome gems.
I just want to share three anecdotes that I only ever read in the philosopher's biography.
One that I find hilarious: someone agreed to give him money if Diogenes could convince him to do so. The beggar said: "if I had the power to convince you, I'd convince you to hang yourself".
Another one is both witty and profound: Diogenes saw priests kicking a boy thief out of a temple. He exclaimed: "look how the big thieves kick out the smaller thief".
Finally one that really speaks to my heart: someone asked Diogenes why wouldn't he accept at least some wealth, as he was old and close to death. He answered: "would you ask a runner to slow down just because he sees the finish line?"
Quoting a tribute made for Diogenes and referring to him: thank you for showing us that life is all that life needs.
My favorite excerpt from his life is one of his encounters with Plato. I don’t remember exactly how I heard it told, but Diogenes, after being chastised for washing greens in the stream, is told that pandering to nobility/power would free him from this lifestyle. Diogenes retorted along the lines of “if you would wash your lettuce in the stream, you wouldn’t need to posture in their courts.”
It has helped me chase my desires and live in accordance with what I believe, just putting your head down and doing the legwork personally is much more fulfilling than actions that improve the light in which you’re seen socially (so long as the things you do are what you believe to be right)
@@thatonezone yeah I remember that, that's a good one. If I'm not mistaken, the conversation went like: "see... You wouldn't have to wash greens if only you pandered to mr Dyonisus". And Diogenes: "you wouldn't have to pander to Mr Dyonisus, if only you washed greens".
I just defecated in a street and I feel like a trillion dollars
I'm houseless for many of the exact philosophical thoughts I'd concluded on my own, and had no idea this guy existed until semi-recently. I love that I feel understood, or better said perhaps, I'm glad I deeply understand his philosophical views. The cost of freedom is comfort.
Getting rid of all your luxuries and comforts reminds me a lot of the Buddhism concept of wants causing suffering (I've been swarmed by Buddhism stuff lately for various reasons). Took me a while to understand that mindset because it goes against everything I was taught growing up, but I can get down with this kind of mindset to some extent (just not to the extent of Diogenes, that's too much for me). Though Buddhism is more about eliminating suffering when you can, whereas Diogenes seems to be more about enjoying the thrill of discomfort.
14:55 "What would you do if you genuinely did not care what other people thought. Would you quit your job and live off the grid? Would you start a whole new life leaving behind only a note? Would you decide to donate all of your possessions and become a monk?"
- I mean I'd happily go off the grid if I knew how to. Basically all land is owned, so gotta pay someone for the land, and for that you need a source of income.
- Starting a new life is something I probably should've done long ago. Sometimes ya need a fresh start. I just don't want that start to be filled with debt for the rest of life.
- Donating all my possessions to become a monk is something I'd strongly consider doing. The happiest times in my life are when I am not doing something, or just meditating, and learning to enjoy the little things in life. This is a huge contrast to how I grew up where video games were the only thing that made me happy since they've always been max stimulation at all times. Then as time went on I realized I just play most video games just because I haven't completed them because of FOMO, with some video games just artificially increasing game length through pointless grinding. Still hard to resist video games, but I am definitely more picky about the games I play now because life begins to fall apart if I allow myself to play a grindy game(especially when trying to keep up with friends that have more time than I do). I feel that if I stopped playing video games entirely, that probably do more good than harm as much as it pains me to say... Buuuut just let me play The Talos Principle first before taking my games away because I've heard waaaay too many good things about that game over the years but somehow don't know anything about it other than it deals with psychology in some way =p
For the record Jesus Christ was also anti materialist. I wonder where Jesus traveled. The Bible doesn’t cover Christ’s life from age 13 to age 30. Did he travel east? Study with zoroastrian and Buddhists? Seems plausible. Thanks for listening.
@unsollited advice / Your extra remark at the end of the video was neat, essentially; "practice what you preach".
Well done, Padawan, well done!
You are truly incredible, I love being enlightened by your story telling!
Fair play to you :)
I resonated with this one, thank you! I’m gonna start reading up Diogenes works
Diogenes has always been on of my favorite historical figures! I got hooked on some of your Nietzsche videos and was very excited to see this one after subscribing. Thank you for making my surgery recovery much more interesting!
Thank you for watching! And I hope you recover well!
Good job with the thumbnail( few months ago I said j really believed in this channel and it’s grown so much )
in point of fact he did not hate everyone. because he was an honest man he did not hate himself. the extreme price of his lifestyle was less noxious than the loss of his own self-respect and love.
The way Diogenes spoke about the three types of creatures e.g. God, Human and Animals makes a lot of sense in the context of why he doesn’t bother to treat high powered personalities any different from regular folks when I think about it. He isn’t concerned about God because that is out of his reach, and animals just cease to exist and have no objective goals or future plans as they are driven by their natural instincts, meanwhile humans being the only conscious species we are so far able to find who are self conscious about their life in the whole wide universe, making us the rarest of the rare, now the difference among humans may be their intelligence or power or whatever but at the end we all are humans and are not so different from each other.
Honestly I can’t put a finger on what I am trying to convey and this whole para might make me look like a yapperela but I thought I must write it out anyway
Hello fellow internet stranger. I wanna mention that I don’t think your yapping was aimless. I resonate with your point that Diogenes seems to have seen past the external markers of status and the intrinsic abilities or traits that help people gain it, and in that way saw humans as just people like him. Maybe he could have thought, “I could have been Alexander under different circumstances instead. Just as I had limited influence over my circumstances, so did Alexander. In the end he is just a man like me.” I think that his view allows someone to have greater personal power, which allowed for the freedom he carried himself with. Cool stuff
The difference might be the stories we have accumulated up untill the point of meeting another soul and how we as Individuals inflate/deflate said stories to treat the recipient of what ever conversation that might spark between stranger.
@@aforabe1197 well said and worded
I just defecated in a street and I feel like a trillion dollars
watching your videos makes my RUclips content consuming worth it !! thank you very much.
Thank you for watching! That is very kind!
He has a point. We work 40 hours a week for decades to ultimately be able to retire and be able to do whatever we want. Diogenes worked 0 hours a week and still did whatever he wanted...
One advantage of being shameless is that a shameless person is immune to blackmail since blackmail depends on what other people think of you. The motto of a shameless person might be "What you think of me is none of my business" and that is at variance with the finger pointing of so many of today's woke movements.
When the middle class made the tv program 'Shameless', do you suppose they knew austerity would imposed on those types ppl a few short years later?
The last job I had I once wore a philosophy T-shirt to work and my manager asked who my favorite philosopher is.
When I said that it was Diogenes my manager laughed.
I asked why that was funny and he said, "I don't know, I just never heard anyone say their favorite philosopher was Diogenes."
Food for thought there, though I can't help but classify Diogenes' stance as less "living one's life" than suffering from it. The quantity of milk in the glass is not the issue if it has soured.
This unsolicited advice is not unsolicited. I welcome all of it. Keep up the good work, mate.
Very impressive explanation of Diogenes of Sinope. I first read about the "mad Socrates" some 40 years ago. Have always admired his philosophy, and you put it in easy modern language and concepts.
This channel is definitely worth the time. Subscribed
I don't think he'd hate me. I'm just waiting to die. The only reason I work a job and pretend to enjoy other people's company is to provide myself with a less miserable experience. I give up a small amount of freedom in order to live indoors, have access to food and electricity and alcohol.
I was looking for a video about diogenes just yesterday, u're reading my mind
Sounds like a conclusion i came too... comforts make us stupid and yearn for protection from others. Be uncomfortable and strive harder.
Now you must relate Diogenes to the 18th, 19th and 20th century philosophers. He had a profound influence on modern philosophy.
A sliver of his spirit lives on in George Carlin's stand up routines
I've read too many books on Ancient Cynicism and this video is fantastic. Very well done.
I can attest to this, a time in my life i had a small box of possessions. It was the happiest i ever was.
21:13 couldn't he say "all bark no bite"?? It would've been so fitting!
The more I listen, the more I am humbled by the philosophies of Diogenes despite being portrayed as a naked beggar, yet he didn't feel the type of 'shameless' emotions that everyone will feel despite being one of the Greatest Philosophers. Even though he may have satisfied himself in public, his psychological and deep philosophies against the norms of humanity thinking. My respects to Diogenes and top marks for this video.
He also just didn't give a "f" that's why he's also just liked. He isn't shallow or doesn't follow his own thinking. He was show don't tell of philosophers . That's my reasoning to why he's just so respected.
oh and the anecdotes help telling people not into philosophy. And they get into it lmao
Would’ve loved to see Diogenes have it out with Hobbes. I thought Hobbes really nailed it describing the reason people congregate being for security of themselves and their property. I guess that doesn’t really matter if you don’t care about either one lmao
Diogenes did care about himself, that's why he wanted to be free of possessions and put his mind over his body.
Seems to me Diogenes had no problems renouncing and condemning society because he didn’t want what the social contract was selling
@@omegadoinker6919 but in the end he ended up begging for food and that is not freedom but the opposite of freedom. Also, he clearly desired for a woman hence the need to do you know what in public. So for me, he is not free what so ever. Dogs can collect their own food and not beg.
Glad I found your content. Good stuff!
I am becoming more like him.. I'm embracing minimalism to the max til only that which conveniences me remains.. I look around & see a very mentally ill society that expends much time & energy for the sake of delusional productivity
Cringe. You’re using a phone and watching RUclips
@@sydn2698 Thats prob what Diogenes would be doing if he lived today, be on some government handout phone mooching off mcdonalds wifi
@@sydn2698 'cringe'....that term is cringe worthy
@@Cedawood calling the word "cring" cringeworthy is cringworthy (cringe)
this channel is so underrated
I have to admit at this late stage in life I do sometimes feel my property owns me, directs my activities from day to day
Is it me or can we link some buddhist insights to attachements and the teachings of Diogenes?
Again great content and thanks for the quality delivery
Diogenes is fr my favorite historical figure
Well done. Great video.
I believe Diogenes's idea of total renunciation somewhat connects Schopenhauer's interpretation of Buddhism and one of it's central ideas of Nirvana, which was the path to enlightenment through the renunciation of earthly desires
Loved it! You're a great speaker, pal!
Some of this reminds me of the dokkodo "The Path of Aloneness by musashi
The 21 principles of Dokkodo:
Accept everything just the way it is.
Do not seek pleasure for its own sake.
Do not, under any circumstances, depend on a partial feeling.
Think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world.
Be detached from desire your whole life long.
Do not regret what you have done.
Never be jealous.
Never let yourself be saddened by a separation.
Resentment and complaint are appropriate neither for oneself nor others.
Do not let yourself be guided by the feeling of lust or love.
In all things have no preferences.
Be indifferent to where you live.
Do not pursue the taste of good food.
Do not hold on to possessions you no longer need.
Do not act following customary beliefs.
Do not collect weapons or practice with weapons beyond what is useful.
Do not fear death.
Do not seek to possess either goods or fiefs for your old age.
Respect Buddha and the gods without counting on their help.
You may abandon your own body but you must preserve your honor.
Never stray from the Way.
One thing thats undeniable is that he lived by his values and practiced what he preached. Gotta respect that.
I never get tired of hearing about Diogenes, he's a man after my own heart.
My idol and hero. I hope to be thought even a percentage as wise as he
I got to give it to the man he talked the talk and walk the walk.
He certainly did
10:25 "We no longer practice ostracism"
Cancel culture says hello. We absolutely still practice ostracism lol
Sorry I should have clarified. The Greek practice of Ostracism was an explicitly legal thing that stripped someone of all or most of their property, and physically exiled them from the city
What few people realize is Diogenes invented the time machine and went back to help humanity but everyone thought his theories were insane so he was stuck with nobody listening to him and no way back.
Finally. My mans is getting his shine time
I was thinking about your comment regarding freedom in wealth vs. freedom in poverty, and I think there is a nuanced difference. If you are wealthy you have the freedom to choose, you have to money to pay for things. This is a freedom in a sense, you are not oppressed by the lack of wealth. However, for Diogenes, freedom meant living live regardless of commitment to material things. It's kind of like the fight club quote: "the things we own end up owning us", or the parabel about the man and the goat: "There was a man who had almost nothing, thus he had almost no problems. One day the man got a goat, and from that day forward he also had goat problems". Furthermore, the freedom that comes through wealth is mostly seen through material gains, like cars, houses, vacations. So, in the eyes of Diogenes these are all more chains binding you down, so for him meaningless. All these commitments require attention and responsibility to maintain, which costs you more time in the end. So for Diogenes it's a downward spiral.
Referred to by his contemporaries as a "Socrates gone mad". And like Socrates, his fate was also prophesied by the oracle of Delphi, namely to "adulterate the currency". Which he did culturally after he did it as a coin-maker in Sinope before fleeing to Athens.
I agree with Dio. I live the same, except for being housed and clean. As much as I value freedom, hygiene is a must
My favourite story about Diogenes is that he owned a bowl so he could drink water from a nearby fountain, but one day he saw a child cupping their hands to drink from it, he immediately tossed the bowl away because he didn't need it
"Athens used to be the place, now its so played out. Corinth is really the more up and coming city state" -Diogenes the Hipster
The "behold platos man" one is my fav
I never studied any philosophy, and I have never heard of Diogenes until this video. I've been seeing the world so similarly as him, that this video walked me to a whole new rabbit hole I'm gonna get lost for a few weeks!
I often think about how if I lost everything I’d be far happier to the point where when I watched your video about “I have no mouth and I must scream” and heard the ending I though, ah yes that sounds like it would be an incredibly pleasant and freeing life to be stuck as that creature that Ted became. But I could never do that, since as long as I am capable and there are other people who I could improve the lives of, I will work to do that and I refuse to simply give up and live that comfortably powerless life. I’ve suffered too much to not make other people’s lives better. I was strong enough to make it through my suffering, but I feel I will be wasting my life if I don’t help those who aren’t strong enough to make it alone, and also I want to make sure people can achieve their dreams, I never could achieve my dream of living a simple life, so instead I should help others achieve theirs.
so this Diogenes guy really stood on his beliefs.
Great video glad I found it early
your videos are amazing, the only thing is that the subtitles are quite in the way, thanks for the hard work
Brilliant presentation, thank you.
Hello sir, love your content and I was curious do you have any educational background in philosophy as I myself am very interested in philosophy for about 3-4yrs although I try to study what I can on my own and with the help of content like yours i was really fascinated by your knowledge and was just wondering is reaching a level of knowledge like yours practically possible while managing my studies and genral life. Thank you
The things you own, end up owning you.
I can just see Plato at the academy calmly talking about his ideas with a few others who are listening intently, only to have Diogenes kick the doors open with a plucked chicken above his head “BEHOLD….MAN!”
At 7:27 a thought occurred that Diogenes was bad mannered. He had no respect for authority, leaders and all the rest. It also occurred to me that there is a dark side to manners. Not only do manners allow us to live decently with other people but they are a mark of rank and an instrument of exclusion and enforcing class, upper or lower. The phrase "Who do they think they are?" says it all. So extreme manners are oppressive. The middle way is best.
Very good words Diogenes is a great topic to discuss
I would be very curious to hear about what other philosophers have to say about shame. Really enjoying your channel!
My passion and education is evolutionary biology, and I have wondered if shame is actually hardwired or soft wired (memetic). Is it innate in social creatures as a non violent means of forcing conformity in order to maintain social cohesion? Or is it purely a societal construct that we have used for better or worse? A mix and something in between, I’m sure.
4:05 Oh, so like a Jedi?
Love this! ❤️ And here I thought I was the only person that used the term "equal opportunity hater". Lol
This is a great video btw. Thank you chap.
Diogenes' philosophy is still relevant I think. Nowadays we have quiet quiters, Tang Ping and people declaring their sovereignity. I think all of them could learn from Diogenes what it takes to be free. But they should also read Epictetus' lesson on what it takes to become a Cynic philosopher. A good warning it isn't a small endeavour.
This guy is such a great teacher.
Probably fun to have a drink with. You need people like that to shake things up.
I know somebody like this. He's looked upon dubiously by the rest of his fraternity, and arguing with him is like wrangling a tornado, but it's never boring.
He hates axioms, and debating with him takes forever, but in his questioning and extremely rude statements, one's own flawed arguments become clear.
I'm still pissed off he said no to my dinner invitations.
Fantastic video man
I wish I could like this video twice, but I can't. So here's a comment. Great video friend, you've made me learn more about probably my most favorite old school philosopher.