I’m embarrassed that you think you can completely overlook cultural differences between wherever you live and Indonesia and boil it down to expecting them to just be better because they’re BMTH fans
The stage could hold 20 bands and all their gear, but when you start playing and the crowd starts moving, the band start moving, it gets shaky. You can build a bridge that holds someone but if they jump, it'd collapse
This is insane. Why would people do this just because there was a safety concern and they had to cancel mid show? If the show still went on, someone in the band could have probably gotten injured or worse.
Could have* it's unfortunate they had to do that, but imagine if the stage had collapsed on them while singing.. I don't know of they did or not but I'd hope they did especially after what transpired.
this is why i quit going to shows in general... people nowadays just literally are so selfish and entitled that, to them it's not about the band playing the show, it's about them being at the show for social media.... it disgusts me how no longer can we enjoy concerts and shit without asshats looking for social media clout to ruin it.... on the same hand though, if there was a safety concern about stuff bouncing... how did the stage etc support that many people on it.... if you ask me, it was a way too rowdy crowd that "scared" the bands handlers so in order to protect their investment, they pulled them....
Just because that many people were on it doesn't mean it was structurally sound. It couldve been bouncing while they were on it still. The costs u don't hear about of canceling shows would make it stupid to just cancel because of a small reason.
bro what, this kind of shit used to happen more back in the day, an obvious one being Woodstock. Here the organisers were incompetent and cancelled the show costing people a lot of money. Imagine if that happened back in the day, they would have burned the whole festival down.
The disrespect required to rush the stage and trash equipment is so unimaginable. I wouldn't consider doing that for a band I didn't know, let alone a band I liked so much that I paid to see them perform. I'm relieved this didn't happen in America although I'm sure in the right venue the same exact thing would happen here too.
@@Jaytl359 I ain't from Indonesia but America is just worse LMAO. Ignore politics and all that, asian countries are just better. I remember Christina Grimmie suddenly.
I feel so bad for Oliver, not just him but for all the band. Its really sad seeing the fans siging the song on top of the bands stage. Stay strong Indonisia, I hope u will get a trully deserved show! Hugs from Portugal
People get crazy when a show gets cancelled for this reason. Same thing happened when I was a kid, when Leann Rimes and Bryan White were on tour - a lady was standing at the stage, attempting yell for them, quite aggressively, basically saying she was owed meeting them, because the show was canceled.
Same thing happened when Dave Williams from drowning pool was still on the tour bus waiting on the Virginia meat wagon.. people are infuckingsane!!! And feel so goddamn entitled.. it's gross
@@lilithdeath1388 Thanks for my new favourite word: infuckingsane ~ that’s a keeper 😆 And I’m sure I’ll use it frequently given people and events such as the situation you’d described in your comment and the “fans” in the video. They aren’t real fans, imho… real fans wouldn’t do that to bands they love. Smfh 🙄 Given the reason for cancelling the concert, the people that rushed the stage are extremely lucky the stage didn’t collapse under their weight. That could’ve seriously injured, crushed, even killed people. 🫠
@sophiecat14 wondering if it was a multi band show tho.. they mostly play in 3s.. every show I have been to, it was always more than one band playing ( no festivals, tho lol shit ain't my vibe) least they got experience some kind of live show. Ungrateful shits..
If I was in Oliver’s shoes, that would have brought me to tears in allot of mixed ways… 1. I would be touched by how important my music is to them. 2. I would probably be highly disappointed in the fact that I couldn’t be there for all of these people who felt that they needed me. 3. I know it’s disappointing to have to cancel a show but this was by far one of the most flattering and humbling riots ever recorded… to know just how the music has really done its job… it just goes to show… we truly share that stage…. Together as one.
The "save me from myself" is super accurate here, but in a completely different way, ugh. This is horrifying, horrible and disgusting. I don't have words for this.
Well I guess Indonesia can say goodbye to rock and metal shows now because apparently the fans over there would prefer to get all pissy and throw a gigantic temper tantrum and ruin all the equipment because their favorite band decided like any reasonable human would that their own safety was more important than playing on an unstable stage that could've easily fallen apart at any minute and forced a cancellation if they'd kept going. This doesn't set a very good example for bands who want to go over there now and like I said, this behavior is probably going to make the amount of times those fans get to see their favorite bands there even less than they already do compared to other countries and deservedly so if this is how they react to a show being stopped early
My friends was on show, that was massive, especially on the middle of crowd. There is a one person who got injured the leg is broke. Thats the one of few reason to stop the concert 1. People got injured 2. The air circulation not good so people got exhausted, difficult to breath. 3. The stage was bouncing , and also the floor of audience tho. Bcs the show was on 2nd Floor. Which is can be the worse incident it the show still goes on. And then people get mad when so goes off. But that behavior from few people who went up on stage is not good. There some pro contra from BMTH fans Indonesia about that people who went on stage cuz that not gonna us to do. As Metal fans from Indonesia that was unpredictable about shows gonna be stop bcs the lack of propper stage. But the attitude not be claimed as good behavior. Hope BMTH on other bands still Love to play on my country. Not whole us like that like people who ruin the stage.
Pihak BMTH, Atau Oliver-nya sendiri ngasih tau alasan-nya gak saat di panggung? Kalau gk parah sih.. Harusnya dia juga ikut omong lah, biar fans juga pada ikut memahami.
Yeah, Might make bands think twice before visiting now. Guess its like when the teacher punishes the whole class because a couple of people wont behave.
@@Llama_charmer Wich is kinda sad, BMTH show in Bali, ten years ago perhaps, is safe and sound, the fans is good and the show was going smoothly, but this is straight stupid, damaging equipment and rushing the stage, crazy how people from decades ago behave differently, nowadays is just plain stupid, now the whole country gonna take the damage because of some stupid ape...
4:33 Nope, not the stage. It's the entire building that cannot hold that massive weight and vibrations of the sound and thousands jumping from it's 2nd/3rd floor. The tribunes actually bounce the whole time like you're in a boat. 100% organizers' fault for not doing the job and not being entirely honest in the announcement. That night they said "they've convinced bmth to play anyways" without explaining the risk of anything collapsing to audience. 1000% fault of some of the audience who did the all the damage with 0 moral compass. Unforgivable.
i was there so i can give you some context on why this happened 1. there was some "issues" that we saw. The sound was dead while they were performing Parasite Eve, and then the screen was glitchy and froze while they were performing die4u. 2. They said gonna take a break because it's so hot there. Even the head of promotor came out and said to the audience they were taking a break and we should wait patiently 3. almost an hour later the head of the promotor came out again and said "there were some stage issues and we had to stop the show. So you guys can go home from the exit door right there" we didn't even know the real problem was the venue is unsafe. We were just told to suck it up and go home without any compensation (at that time). And turns out the dead sound was purposely stopped because there was a fan who injured himself while moshing, so they had to stop the song to take care of the fan first. And also the freezing screen is because they had to stop the show early due to shaking stage But yeah, no matter who is to blame, the fans shouldn't rushed to the stage and trash the set. Maybe it was because most of them (who rushed to the stage) are teenagers who only know BMTH from tiktok. I'm ashamed for what they did, and I hope BMTH could come back to Indonesia again and finish their concert
Yeah i hope they come back to indo too... gw sebagai fans remaja dan lumayan baru aja ilfil banget lihat kelakuan mrk yg naik ke panggungnya dan ngerusak equipment on stage bring me :(
Sound engineer for Saosin here. Was truly bummed the second show was canceled but it was true that the stage was shaking and the building structure integrity was not fit for a show like this.
hi! we're so sorry for the experience and trust me people here are definitely not happy with how they behaved as well, please don't hate us! it was a very nice night for me and personally i was talking about how stupid it is to do that to people and most of them agreed. Please don't blacklist us, i hope better things will come
as an indonesian citizen i feeel so embarresed about this tragedy. Big fan of BMTH and didn't get the chance to see the show. Big apologise for all the fans out there for our behavior. sorry for my bad english
All I'm going to say is cancelling a show mid set is a big gamble and I'm glad BMTH made it out safely. This isn't new behavior for me to witness, I grew up in the era of the legendary Guns N Roses concert cancellation.
Ollie does like to start pits. Saw them open for Fall Out Boy and they got the crowd so fired up Fall Out Boy had to keep them subdued. BUT, this is ridiculous. People have no self control
You'd think now, after like what, 20, 30 years, that places would at least try to meet some form of quality for stages, it's like back when Parkway Drive released their first (I think) DVD, with the dodgy stage overseas, you have venue floors collapsing, like honestly at least try, otherwise bands will just skip these unsafe countries
I can tell you some, if not, most of the audience there are not from the metal community. From their behavior, they're most likely bandwagon fans fearing on missing out the trend and got to know BMTH from tiktok or instagram, and they probably only listen to a few of their more pop-rock-sounding songs like Drown or Lost, and not the metal ones from BMTH's earlier albums. I truly feel ashamed for what they've done and made us Indonesians look real bad.
U know some people who attend on the show might be some teenager whom know BMTH on their drown era. Some people just gets "Fomo". So i gonna say i think not 100% on that show was trully origin BMTH fans or of Scheme Underground music
BMTH stopped the show -> band didnt give clear reason to the promoter -> promoter with limited info gotta ask the audience to leave the venue because the band wouldn't continue the show, while finding out more details-> people got rage, occupied the stage then went home angry -> promoter decided to refund both day 1 and day 2 shows, took responsible for everything and people accepting the compensation -> BMTH went to Bali had some fun Band's equipement was safe, nothing was damaged. In the other hand Saosin were playing in the other city, had some fun too. Other people are expecting more bands coming, Behemoth and Thy Art is Murders in December, Kreator and In Flames in January, and more in early March. That's the actual situation, ladies and gents.
I never expected Indonesia of all places for this to happen. Hope Oli never returns as this is a distrace!! Babymetal performed in Indonesia not long ago and makes me concerned for their safety now. I have a different opinion of Indonesia now as never thought they were like this. :(
It's not just the stage. I felt the whole floor shaking. The venue is on the 3rd floor and probably isn't built to hold that many people + the mosh pits. I say it was a poor choice of venue on the promoter's part.
I think BMTH and the promoters kinda underestimated the massive Indonesian audience potential. The fact that there are a bunch of overcrowded event cases in Indonesia should've raised more concerns about upholding any kind of events, especially if it involves international celebrities, artists, etc. Holding a big event indoor in Indonesia is a poor decision choice, especially if you're concerned about overcrowding.
I have heard of this from numerous bands travelling there. From fans having serious boundry issues, like what we see here, to booking agents and even government reps ripping bands off or detaining them to force them to play for free. It's probably best for bands to avoid playing there.
I like how the crowd came together and all sang along. It's a shame that a few decided to go the extreme but I can see how they'd all be disappointed and annoyed because of the lack of communication and safety
Sad to see that this is going up internationally, as Indonesian I felt so sad and embarrassed too. But for some people who came to the show and got canceled, that's a real deal for them. Cause they've been saving for months to get the ticket, since the price is quite much for some kids. It's 3 million Rupiahs, and I can't understand how bad the decisions was made between the organizer and the band management to let a metal band perform in Indoor Venue that is not usually used for rock performance. I hope they'll come back very soon.
A real "fan" wouldn't act in that way. If you really cared for the band, you would accept that sometimes things like this happen and they didn't cancel mid performance for no good reason. BMTH deserves better than that.
Padahal harga tiketnya udah dimahalin banget salah satu tujuannya buat ngefilter para fans kampungan kayak mereka. Tapi ternyata tetep aja banyak "sampah" yang ikutan nonton. Kurang mahal kali. 😅 Kalo memang emosi ya arahin ke vendornya, bukan ke bandnya. Bikin malu emang.
What's with fans lately? It's the same with passengers on airplanes. Remember the days when people went and enjoyed concerts and sat calmly in seats in airplanes?
Crowds at shows wanna be the stars. They wanna get online and go viral and become famous. Which is why when shit like this happens, everyone has their phone out to record it and post for the views, likes and shares.
Wtf is wrong with people? Why on earth would you do this? Its not like Oli threw a temper tantrum and decided to just call it a night, this was a safety concern by the staff. Such a disappointing sight.
I've loved this band for 10 years, I saved all year and flew to phoenix to see them open for falloutboy and they cancelled the day of, I was crushed... Shit happens. Im not sure the details of the circumstances something is telling me the heat was way too much (40+c)
I was there but left before the chaos happened. My ticket is for sitting on the second floor. It is indeed unsafety, the floor is shaking/ bouncing from the very start. And not a light bounce, it bounces the whole time. Sad that it is stopped midway but I understand something worse might happen if they force it to continue (the sound system sucks anyway), there is a chance that the floor collapses. There are hundreds of people on it and under it.
Well done “ fans “ thanks for your support and understanding You just decided for the band that they won’t be returning to perform in your country any time soon
That’s really shitty for fans to do that....safety of the band and crew must come first. I’m going to Liverpool, England in January with my daughter to watch BMTH and I can’t wait....it’s gonna be sick 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
I hope BMTH and other bands never go back to Indonesia or at least that venue. Fans that act like that do not deserve to have shows performed. Utter disrespect not just towards the band but everyone in music.
The way those fans acted is absolutely disgusting oli made the best decision he could for the safety of everyone but it looks like a lot of them were self centered n only thinking about themselves I feel really bad for him and his band matés honestly
Not only is it wild that they rushed the stage but i think its strage how people have become like zombies with their phones feeling the need to record everything
ITA People pay more attention to their phones than to their children, family, significant others, etc. Hardly anyone just enjoys the moment they’re experiencing. Be it a concert, family reunion, wedding, date, etc… and I know I’m not the only one who detests being bullied into talking to a phone. Why waste money & time only to devote yourself to a device? It’s fine to take a nice photo to remember/document an event but concentrating solely on a device as opposed to the people you’re with & the actively you’re participating in is terribly sad. And I’m just fine, thx T.🙄
Yes it's hard to enjoy a show when your main focus on your phone. You pay for the ticket though and if that's how you want to spend your time then whatever. But I really meant that the strangeness to me was when the people rushed the stage, other people felt the need to record it. Also, the people on the stage destroying it were being destructive with one hand and recording in the other like they were proud of their behavior or something..
I'm as an indonesian fans after that concert really freaking shame of my friend and juat wanna say sorry for all the crew and especially for BMTH obviously
I watched this gig from the Festival B, right side of FOH. Let me tell you something, both the promoter and crowds (which consisted mainly Gen Zs & Alphas) are both to blame. Promoter obviously didn't perform the right due diligence; the venue was obviously over capacity, security was terribly lacking, there was even someone who broke a leg and medic was fetched for far too long. The crowd? Jesus, they literally rushed to the barricade and broke numerous steel barricade, reasoning that they wanted to get as close to the stage as possible. Terrible weekend for us, the genuine fans with respect to each other.
Let me explain here, so that night was actually a great night, but what people don't know is, the place there was very vulnerable and rocking when shadow moses was sung by BMTH, in the middle of the place there were also many people who almost fainted and it was so difficult for medical staff to get in. the crowd was dense, and what made the fans really disappointed was that the organizers casually evicted the crowds from the venue, perhaps that was what made the fans angry, the real fool was the organizers who were incompetent in selecting the venue. that's just my opinion
Yeah that Asia. I've seen this happen with Linkin Park before when they couldn't play due to weather conditions or something. Same with Korn I think. If I remember correctly, their gear got stolen that night. Not all Asia but many Asian countries have wild fans so you gotta be careful.
I was there. So let me get things right. I don't support they behavior rushing out to the stage, but i understand the dissappointment. Heres why. First, they are a die hard BMTH fan, they've been waiting the band for ages to come and play in indonesia. They come from all across indonesia. Some of them have to fly 3-6 hours to jakarta (indonesian capital). And the concert ticket prices are very expensive for most indonesian. Most of them have to save or loan. Second, and for me this is the most important point. When the promotor canceled the concert, they didn't tell it was because safety concern. They only said it was technical issue. IF ONLY, at that very moment the promotor tell that they can't continue because safety concern, and there will be refund, i think people will understand and none of that chaos will happened. We know the truth from ollie (bmth vocalist) the next day. Third and last point, like i said, i don't support their behavior rushing out the stage and throwing things, but in the end, nothing have been damaged. Bmth drummer post a story the next day showing photo of his drum kit and stating "my drum kit is okay". They dissapoint and angry towards the promotor. Not the band.
The money they charged was probably a fortune for Indonesians (poor country) So just imagine you pay that much money, and the keyboard player doesn’t show up, and also, have your show canceled mid way.. haha can’t blame them. These artists are making millions off people like us… life goes on
lol, the funniest thing is that the crowd went right on the "wobbly" stage and nothing has happened... but it's still understandable that the band had to make this decision
band: cancels the show because it's not safe fans: why did they stop the show? band: doesn't cancel show to make the fans happy and something bad happens fans: why didn't they stop the show?
it's so sad that the BMTH concert in Indonesia was stopped in the middle of the song due to technical problems and the concert on day 2 was also cancelled. I've been a BMTH fan since I was 15 years old, and now I'm 30 years old. I saved money for BMTH concert tickets, but the concert was cancelled 😢 and yeah, I hated the way the fans acted that night
As Indonesian, this is so embarassing and really give very bad look for any concerts held in this country. I feel bad for BMTH members, they must be traumatized with those so called fans
i was there and the fans that rushed the stage DID NOT destroy or trashing the band equipments / sounds / or anything (well it seems like it in the video). They just expressed they disappointment with the promoter. It turns out the venue was not "strong enough". The event was held on the 3rd floor inside a mall, and the crowd approx 10k++ (i don't know the exact number), with massive number crowd headbanging together and mosh pit the venue floor was like having a small "earth quake" and makes the stage bouncing even harder. the promoter DID NOT expecting the powerful reaction from the crowd, as far as i know the choice for the venue was "missed calculation" for this kind of music. Hope BMTH knows how their fans is really that desperate to see they perform in front of their eyes and still want to perform in Indonesia in the future (even tho i think Oly and the band is disappoint with Indonesia. peace!
I was there during the show. I traveled far away from another city to be finally able to watch BMTH live, but sadly it got canceled. The promotor announced it like we didn't just spend a lot of money to see these guys live; that's what made chaos unfolded. However, i do not justify the actions of thrashing the place and disrespect the bands and the crews working there. Ivleft immediately as i was so ashamed of what these people did. I'm sorry to BMTH, i'm sorry to everyone involved. I hope to see more bands live here, but the audience can be shitty sometimes.
The promoter is the root of this problem honestly but the crowd is just something else As an indonesian myself im really dissappointed of our people, because of this incident there will be nomore bands willing to have a stage in this country anymore
i'm sorry, but if i'm a fan of a band, the LAST thing i want is for something bad to happen to them. cuz if something does happen and they get injured or worse, it means that they can't keep playing. even if it only slows them down for a few days, that still sucks. but in the worst case scenario where the band gets seriously injured, that could mean they can no longer make the music i love so much. so i'd be devastated if a band i loved took a chance, and kept playing anyway, only to get hurt or worse. i want the bands i love to have a LONG an industrious career, so that i can keep enjoying their music for ages, not for them to try to finish one show and get so hurt they have to cancel the rest of the tour or something
Wait, so the venue knew they had a shitty stage that wouldn't withstand a big rock show, invited the band and then told them that stage wasn't safe? Blame the management, not the band or disappointed fans.
im from indonesia... Yes, it's true that in this case, the promoter and management are to blame... the promoter and management chose the wrong place, because this place was indoor... whereas the band that was brought in, namely BMTH, has a large fanbase here in Indonesia...and this is a metal concert, where we all know how the fans and audience react when the band they love performs... so at the concert there were thousands of fans present. packed the venue... and this venue was on the 2nd floor of a mall, where it was very unsafe when all the thousands of spectators were jumping...
I have (had) tickets for Day 2, which was of course canceled. yes I blame the organizer and venue not the band.
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that big hall is on the second floor .. when thousands of people were jumping up and down.. the floor and everything was shaking .. so they stopped the show in the middle of the set .. the crowd didn't know what was happening .. after waiting an hour the crowd lost their minds
Im from Indonesia and im sorry for my people, this ticket is so expensive and thats not right to take their stuff, but many people go from far city maybe being desperate but yeah thats not a right things to do, and im a shame for them (sorry bad English)
I saw white Zombie and Pantera in 1993 the barrier broke and made a ramp to the stage. You couldn’t see the band among the fans but WZ kept playing. Then the monitor wires got ripped out the show stopped briefly then resumed all night we stage dived at the Orlando sports arena an airport hangar.. Pantera came on and Phil Anselmo said “ our stage is your stage just don’t break the equipment. We sat on the frame of the stage after stage diving 15 times and watched dimebag from 10 feet away all night he threw us over 6 guitar picks and stared us down as he played flawless licks… it was unreal 💫🥂🤘🏼🎸🎶🎵🎶🎵🎤🏆🪫🪫🪫
Honestly I was there. It was too crowded at the front. All of them wanted to be at the front so they could record oli and the band on their phone. Men didn't give a damn about women and they kept pushing around until a lot of people fainted. It was too hot and there was a lot of smoke. It was my first time to a rock/metal show but it was a horrible experience. I wonder if it's the same everywhere else
Sorry about your bad experience. I was at their Bangkok show a few days earlier. The space was smaller but everyone was nice and respectful. No pushing. Only one girl fainted before the show began, so I assume it was because of her health.
@@papercut3753 Generally not like that in the states. It depends on the bands, but metal shows here are generally pretty chill, in so far as metal can be chill.
everything you said was so on point! my take on it was that it was actually the crowd control that didn't do a proper job, they were too few compared to the crowd, which was actually quite surprising considering Ravel (the promoter) was used to successfully handling metal concerts. Also adding to that, I can assure you that this just a one-time thing and poor management from the promoter. I never feel safer anywhere than in a metal concert.
As a fan from the Myspace era.. I honestly do not understand how any of their new music is listenable at all. I know drown is already an old song.... but still, it makes my stomach turn knowing that this is from the same band that put out Count Your Blessings
im sorry this happened but many huge musician/band played in this exact same venue, turned out to be successful ex : one ok rock. At the end of the day, the promotor played big roles in this situation, you can tell when the chaos happened, only a few security rushed to the stage with less coordination with other staff
I honestly won't be surprised if they aren't going to try to come back here, what the fans did were very chaotic and could potentially be very harmful like it was literally uncontrollable, I mean shit the fkn security failed and gave up. I was very excited to finally see BMTH live in Jakarta, I was on my way there and I kinda hate the fact they cancelled it mid-way at like 2-3 pm, I was very close to Jakarta when the announcement came out that they will not be doing the 2nd day but hey at least I had fun with my friends.
The problem was the poor choice of venue. The venue is never meant to be used for BMTH show. Even when it was used for a slow mellow band when nobody jump around, the stage still shaking a little bit. Secondly, idk when it started. But when BMTH fanbase got extremely bigger in my country, they start to become so toxic. It's not a new thing to them to start an argument with k-pop's fans or Coldplay's fans. I still don't understand why this error can happen. Especially with the event organization. Earlier this year we're hosting the Hammersonic show with the same event organization and everything went well. I can't believe the same EO who've done Hammersonic that well can make this level of error. Maybe greed was involved or something else idk. But im so sorry for BMTH for the bad experience. Im also glad that Matt's drum set is fine in his update. I know I can't speak on behalf of my whole country, but still Im so sorry.
Jumping around shouldnt effect the stage structure of that size/scale, it would most likely be the speakers are too loud or heavy OR, its quite possible the builders took short cuts and created a crappy structure...
A tour manager from abroad only knows the information provided to them by each venue, usually on paper, and occasionally they can see some videos online of the venue. They can’t go traveling to globe to check each venue in person. There’s no way a tour manager would know the legal maximum occupancy number and the maximum weight for the stage’s load bearing capacity if a venue is possibly giving an inaccurate description so they’ll make more money. You can’t blame a band’s tour manager or the band itself for choosing a venue if a specific venue is not entirely honest. Wanna be mad? Go ask to see the venue’s rider. I guarantee those contracts provided by the venue have inaccurate information. Regardless, there’s no excuse for people rushing the stage no matter what - especially if there’s a safety concern. Everyone should comply and evacuate. Thank heavens nobody got hurt or killed. Tragedies happen at venues all the time. The band and their management made the right call to cancel. If people don’t understand the need to cancel when human safety is at risk, and then they act like buffoons on top of it, they don’t deserve to be fans. There’s ZERO excuse for that kind of behavior.
@@Tainami_ I was trying to talk about the amount of fans who was fainted during the show because of poor air circulation, the overcrowd and the fact that some fans are ignoring the no smoking regulation. Even Oli was mentioned about the air condition during the show. Sorry about that. Clearly I was got everything mixed up badly up there. There are a lot to say in that moment. But yeah. That's why I said maybe greed was involved in here
rumor has it that its not the stage, its the venue bcs we were on the second floor of the building. the construction is not strong enough to support most pit and shit (also the people were jumping around and all), and its too hot and crowded some people even fainted. so it bounced due to overcapacity and ended up impacting the stage
This will never happen in the Philippines, yes we will be upset if the concert gets cancelled but we will never act like that, not only we will get arrested but we are more mindful with our actions, though we filipinos are crazy a lot of times. 😅
They weren't told by the event organizer why the show should be stop. And the event organizer should knew the character from the locals to anticipate this things happen.
think about how Oli and everyone think after this? Having to evacuate the place and just hearing everyone singing their songs whilst they cant, and having them damage their equipment and be overall bad people and using them as an excuse.
I’m embarassed by the BMTH fans that rushed the stage… that’s not how you treat a band that you love.
yeah, but i had the biggest grin watching all those fans singing drown together.
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I think its hilarious
I’m embarrassed that you think you can completely overlook cultural differences between wherever you live and Indonesia and boil it down to expecting them to just be better because they’re BMTH fans
@@85ddrummer it was indonesia? Wtf
It's time for people to learn how to be disappointed and NOT destroy things. Disappointment is part of life.
Generation cry-babies
@@joey3088not wrong unfortunately
they didn't really destroy anything, i was there and went home before it was too bad but honestly it was the promoter's bad handling
That requires being accountable for your actions
@@AVealSandwich very true
Those "fans" are trash for what they did to the equipment. Also, the stage did hold the weight of 600+ people, so there is that.
The stage could hold 20 bands and all their gear, but when you start playing and the crowd starts moving, the band start moving, it gets shaky. You can build a bridge that holds someone but if they jump, it'd collapse
Haha yeah I just realized that... thankfully no one ever got hurt tho
@@punkjake Vibrations do funny things built stuff.
I'm Indonesian I'm here at that moment the stage that's so horrible
In the End at Least BMTH is Alive & Safe - Able to Perform Again in the Future.
Thats all that Matters.
Why do you capitalize what you do?
This is insane. Why would people do this just because there was a safety concern and they had to cancel mid show? If the show still went on, someone in the band could have probably gotten injured or worse.
They probably weren't told why. But even if they weren't that's really awful behavior. Respect to BMTH for caring about people.
@@mendmywings7238 Yeah that’s true. They probably weren’t told why. But still, I wouldn’t just go up to the stage and damage equipment.
Could have* it's unfortunate they had to do that, but imagine if the stage had collapsed on them while singing..
I don't know of they did or not but I'd hope they did especially after what transpired.
Probably because Indonesian fans don’t get to see their favorite bands as often as other countries do
If it didn’t collapse with all those fans on it it wouldn’t have with the band lol. Seems like a excuse to end a show
this is why i quit going to shows in general... people nowadays just literally are so selfish and entitled that, to them it's not about the band playing the show, it's about them being at the show for social media.... it disgusts me how no longer can we enjoy concerts and shit without asshats looking for social media clout to ruin it.... on the same hand though, if there was a safety concern about stuff bouncing... how did the stage etc support that many people on it.... if you ask me, it was a way too rowdy crowd that "scared" the bands handlers so in order to protect their investment, they pulled them....
What do you expect from the selfie generation?
Taking pictures of yourself and admiring them was a sign of mental illness up until recently.
Just because that many people were on it doesn't mean it was structurally sound. It couldve been bouncing while they were on it still. The costs u don't hear about of canceling shows would make it stupid to just cancel because of a small reason.
Try being at one, and people are raging cause they canceled because their singer was on the tour bus dead.. craziness
@@lilithdeath1388what concert was this? Sounds awful
bro what, this kind of shit used to happen more back in the day, an obvious one being Woodstock. Here the organisers were incompetent and cancelled the show costing people a lot of money. Imagine if that happened back in the day, they would have burned the whole festival down.
The disrespect required to rush the stage and trash equipment is so unimaginable. I wouldn't consider doing that for a band I didn't know, let alone a band I liked so much that I paid to see them perform. I'm relieved this didn't happen in America although I'm sure in the right venue the same exact thing would happen here too.
We’re not Indonesia
@@Jonathanhorrorz you have school shooters tho
@@filipeaguiarS At least here we treat artist with respect.
@@Jaytl359 I ain't from Indonesia but America is just worse LMAO. Ignore politics and all that, asian countries are just better. I remember Christina Grimmie suddenly.
"The stage was moving and could've collapsed"
The audience "LETS ALL GET ON IT NOTHING BAD WILL HAPPEN"
Yup. But they didn't get told this. I wish they did so more people might have more brains to behave or smth.
yeah it was really dumb but they didnt get any explanation until 2 days later
I feel so bad for Oliver, not just him but for all the band. Its really sad seeing the fans siging the song on top of the bands stage. Stay strong Indonisia, I hope u will get a trully deserved show! Hugs from Portugal
No real ‘fan’ would do this. Awful behaviour
People get crazy when a show gets cancelled for this reason. Same thing happened when I was a kid, when Leann Rimes and Bryan White were on tour - a lady was standing at the stage, attempting yell for them, quite aggressively, basically saying she was owed meeting them, because the show was canceled.
Lol, a karen concert goer.
@@te9591😂
Same thing happened when Dave Williams from drowning pool was still on the tour bus waiting on the Virginia meat wagon.. people are infuckingsane!!! And feel so goddamn entitled.. it's gross
@@lilithdeath1388 Thanks for my new favourite word: infuckingsane ~ that’s a keeper 😆 And I’m sure I’ll use it frequently given people and events such as the situation you’d described in your comment and the “fans” in the video. They aren’t real fans, imho… real fans wouldn’t do that to bands they love. Smfh 🙄
Given the reason for cancelling the concert, the people that rushed the stage are extremely lucky the stage didn’t collapse under their weight. That could’ve seriously injured, crushed, even killed people. 🫠
@sophiecat14 wondering if it was a multi band show tho.. they mostly play in 3s.. every show I have been to, it was always more than one band playing ( no festivals, tho lol shit ain't my vibe) least they got experience some kind of live show. Ungrateful shits..
If I was in Oliver’s shoes, that would have brought me to tears in allot of mixed ways…
1. I would be touched by how important my music is to them.
2. I would probably be highly disappointed in the fact that I couldn’t be there for all of these people who felt that they needed me.
3. I know it’s disappointing to have to cancel a show but this was by far one of the most flattering and humbling riots ever recorded… to know just how the music has really done its job… it just goes to show… we truly share that stage…. Together as one.
The "save me from myself" is super accurate here, but in a completely different way, ugh. This is horrifying, horrible and disgusting. I don't have words for this.
Yeah, this is not cool. Tells a lot about the "fans", which I use that term loosely, if they're stealing and vandalizing stuff.
Exactly, as if that’s gonna help the band get back on stage.
You see the Slipknot fans and how they about Jay getting fired ? It’s insane . They act like they own the band and the band ducked them over lol
Quack
Well I guess Indonesia can say goodbye to rock and metal shows now because apparently the fans over there would prefer to get all pissy and throw a gigantic temper tantrum and ruin all the equipment because their favorite band decided like any reasonable human would that their own safety was more important than playing on an unstable stage that could've easily fallen apart at any minute and forced a cancellation if they'd kept going. This doesn't set a very good example for bands who want to go over there now and like I said, this behavior is probably going to make the amount of times those fans get to see their favorite bands there even less than they already do compared to other countries and deservedly so if this is how they react to a show being stopped early
My friends was on show, that was massive, especially on the middle of crowd. There is a one person who got injured the leg is broke. Thats the one of few reason to stop the concert
1. People got injured
2. The air circulation not good so people got exhausted, difficult to breath.
3. The stage was bouncing , and also the floor of audience tho. Bcs the show was on 2nd Floor. Which is can be the worse incident it the show still goes on.
And then people get mad when so goes off. But that behavior from few people who went up on stage is not good. There some pro contra from BMTH fans Indonesia about that people who went on stage cuz that not gonna us to do.
As Metal fans from Indonesia that was unpredictable about shows gonna be stop bcs the lack of propper stage. But the attitude not be claimed as good behavior.
Hope BMTH on other bands still Love to play on my country. Not whole us like that like people who ruin the stage.
Pihak BMTH, Atau Oliver-nya sendiri ngasih tau alasan-nya gak saat di panggung?
Kalau gk parah sih.. Harusnya dia juga ikut omong lah, biar fans juga pada ikut memahami.
I have no idea what you just said
The older I get, the less tolerant of people I become.
There is no excuse for this, period.
Will probably be the last rock show Indonesia ever sees.
Yeah, Might make bands think twice before visiting now. Guess its like when the teacher punishes the whole class because a couple of people wont behave.
@@Llama_charmer Wich is kinda sad, BMTH show in Bali, ten years ago perhaps, is safe and sound, the fans is good and the show was going smoothly, but this is straight stupid, damaging equipment and rushing the stage, crazy how people from decades ago behave differently, nowadays is just plain stupid, now the whole country gonna take the damage because of some stupid ape...
I hope so. indonesian monkeys dont deserve the band to stop there and play a show
This is like the second Indonesian music related thing that has happened. First was them trying to sue 1975
@@EthanRom If youre referring to the kissing thing that was Malaysia not Indonesia
4:33 Nope, not the stage. It's the entire building that cannot hold that massive weight and vibrations of the sound and thousands jumping from it's 2nd/3rd floor. The tribunes actually bounce the whole time like you're in a boat.
100% organizers' fault for not doing the job and not being entirely honest in the announcement. That night they said "they've convinced bmth to play anyways" without explaining the risk of anything collapsing to audience.
1000% fault of some of the audience who did the all the damage with 0 moral compass. Unforgivable.
i was there so i can give you some context on why this happened
1. there was some "issues" that we saw. The sound was dead while they were performing Parasite Eve, and then the screen was glitchy and froze while they were performing die4u.
2. They said gonna take a break because it's so hot there. Even the head of promotor came out and said to the audience they were taking a break and we should wait patiently
3. almost an hour later the head of the promotor came out again and said "there were some stage issues and we had to stop the show. So you guys can go home from the exit door right there"
we didn't even know the real problem was the venue is unsafe. We were just told to suck it up and go home without any compensation (at that time). And turns out the dead sound was purposely stopped because there was a fan who injured himself while moshing, so they had to stop the song to take care of the fan first. And also the freezing screen is because they had to stop the show early due to shaking stage
But yeah, no matter who is to blame, the fans shouldn't rushed to the stage and trash the set. Maybe it was because most of them (who rushed to the stage) are teenagers who only know BMTH from tiktok.
I'm ashamed for what they did, and I hope BMTH could come back to Indonesia again and finish their concert
Yeah i hope they come back to indo too... gw sebagai fans remaja dan lumayan baru aja ilfil banget lihat kelakuan mrk yg naik ke panggungnya dan ngerusak equipment on stage bring me :(
Sound engineer for Saosin here. Was truly bummed the second show was canceled but it was true that the stage was shaking and the building structure integrity was not fit for a show like this.
hi James, will there be another chance for bmth and saosin together again to return to jakarta? I'm from jakarta
hi! we're so sorry for the experience and trust me people here are definitely not happy with how they behaved as well, please don't hate us! it was a very nice night for me and personally i was talking about how stupid it is to do that to people and most of them agreed. Please don't blacklist us, i hope better things will come
@@denisuntoro I hope so, not my department about if it’s being rebooked or not
my heart broke knowing the second show was cancelled. first was hammersonic and then this. please come back soon, we need saosin in Jakarta
Thank God the band is ok idk what I would without them they have gotten me through so much
as an indonesian citizen i feeel so embarresed about this tragedy. Big fan of BMTH and didn't get the chance to see the show. Big apologise for all the fans out there for our behavior. sorry for my bad english
All I'm going to say is cancelling a show mid set is a big gamble and I'm glad BMTH made it out safely. This isn't new behavior for me to witness, I grew up in the era of the legendary Guns N Roses concert cancellation.
Ollie does like to start pits. Saw them open for Fall Out Boy and they got the crowd so fired up Fall Out Boy had to keep them subdued.
BUT, this is ridiculous. People have no self control
Okay guys, we go international, again, for something not good, again...
Proud being indonesian 🇮🇩
You'd think now, after like what, 20, 30 years, that places would at least try to meet some form of quality for stages, it's like back when Parkway Drive released their first (I think) DVD, with the dodgy stage overseas, you have venue floors collapsing, like honestly at least try, otherwise bands will just skip these unsafe countries
I Did not expect this behaviour from the metal community.
I can tell you some, if not, most of the audience there are not from the metal community. From their behavior, they're most likely bandwagon fans fearing on missing out the trend and got to know BMTH from tiktok or instagram, and they probably only listen to a few of their more pop-rock-sounding songs like Drown or Lost, and not the metal ones from BMTH's earlier albums. I truly feel ashamed for what they've done and made us Indonesians look real bad.
U know some people who attend on the show might be some teenager whom know BMTH on their drown era. Some people just gets "Fomo". So i gonna say i think not 100% on that show was trully origin BMTH fans or of Scheme Underground music
BMTH haven't been metal for years lol
adding to that. bmth crowds from 2011 to 2023 are very different. I feel safer back then.
those fans are idiots but it is odd the stage was fine with the weight of 200 something people. This is why bands are reluctant to tour some places.
Yet that’s not the point at all
BMTH stopped the show -> band didnt give clear reason to the promoter -> promoter with limited info gotta ask the audience to leave the venue because the band wouldn't continue the show, while finding out more details-> people got rage, occupied the stage then went home angry -> promoter decided to refund both day 1 and day 2 shows, took responsible for everything and people accepting the compensation -> BMTH went to Bali had some fun
Band's equipement was safe, nothing was damaged. In the other hand Saosin were playing in the other city, had some fun too.
Other people are expecting more bands coming, Behemoth and Thy Art is Murders in December, Kreator and In Flames in January, and more in early March.
That's the actual situation, ladies and gents.
I never expected Indonesia of all places for this to happen. Hope Oli never returns as this is a distrace!! Babymetal performed in Indonesia not long ago and makes me concerned for their safety now. I have a different opinion of Indonesia now as never thought they were like this. :(
Thanks for covering this. Love your interviews as well.
It's not just the stage. I felt the whole floor shaking. The venue is on the 3rd floor and probably isn't built to hold that many people + the mosh pits. I say it was a poor choice of venue on the promoter's part.
I think BMTH and the promoters kinda underestimated the massive Indonesian audience potential. The fact that there are a bunch of overcrowded event cases in Indonesia should've raised more concerns about upholding any kind of events, especially if it involves international celebrities, artists, etc. Holding a big event indoor in Indonesia is a poor decision choice, especially if you're concerned about overcrowding.
I have heard of this from numerous bands travelling there. From fans having serious boundry issues, like what we see here, to booking agents and even government reps ripping bands off or detaining them to force them to play for free. It's probably best for bands to avoid playing there.
Source? Trust me bro
Slipknot playing there couple months ago but yeah let's bring up 'something' that not true and no one cares about.
The only one ive heard is them protesting against coldplay as they have issues with homos
Slipknot,Korn,Steve vay,dream theatre n another band n so many band sucses play in indonesia..today cold play come to Indonesia 👍
Don't generalize things dude, not cool
I like how the crowd came together and all sang along. It's a shame that a few decided to go the extreme but I can see how they'd all be disappointed and annoyed because of the lack of communication and safety
Sad to see that this is going up internationally, as Indonesian I felt so sad and embarrassed too. But for some people who came to the show and got canceled, that's a real deal for them. Cause they've been saving for months to get the ticket, since the price is quite much for some kids. It's 3 million Rupiahs, and I can't understand how bad the decisions was made between the organizer and the band management to let a metal band perform in Indoor Venue that is not usually used for rock performance. I hope they'll come back very soon.
I was at the show, the promoter canceled and asked all the audience to leave without telling the reason why the show was cancelled
It’s obviously disappointing when a show gets cancelled but that is not how you behave. Disgraceful.
A real "fan" wouldn't act in that way. If you really cared for the band, you would accept that sometimes things like this happen and they didn't cancel mid performance for no good reason. BMTH deserves better than that.
so they are worried about the stage but it was fine with hundreds of fans on it? hmmmm
Saya sebagai fans BMTH merasa malu dengan kejadian tersebut
Padahal harga tiketnya udah dimahalin banget salah satu tujuannya buat ngefilter para fans kampungan kayak mereka. Tapi ternyata tetep aja banyak "sampah" yang ikutan nonton. Kurang mahal kali. 😅 Kalo memang emosi ya arahin ke vendornya, bukan ke bandnya. Bikin malu emang.
@@DanyFairuzFirdausiphone 15 aja bisa kebeli, apa lagi tiket 3jutaan
@@DanyFairuzFirdausorang2 kayak gitu biasanya ngandelin pinjol/paylater bro, wkkk
Bro I’m a fan of them but I would never treat a group of artists like this!!
This is a great way to tell the band that they shouldn't come back to your country. Very disrespectful of the fans.
honestly though, 2:14 how dope is that solidarity!
What's with fans lately? It's the same with passengers on airplanes. Remember the days when people went and enjoyed concerts and sat calmly in seats in airplanes?
Crowds at shows wanna be the stars. They wanna get online and go viral and become famous. Which is why when shit like this happens, everyone has their phone out to record it and post for the views, likes and shares.
In fairness, it's not everyone. However, enough people do it to where it's become noticeable.
Great point. The generation of narcissists is here. @@iamthewerebear4837
@@iamthewerebear4837tough shit for em.
The universe only gives it to some.
Not 200+ lmao
Woodstock '99
indonesia has a crazy metal, and music in general fan base! their mindset is still like how it was in the nu metal scene
Wtf is wrong with people? Why on earth would you do this? Its not like Oli threw a temper tantrum and decided to just call it a night, this was a safety concern by the staff. Such a disappointing sight.
I've loved this band for 10 years, I saved all year and flew to phoenix to see them open for falloutboy and they cancelled the day of, I was crushed... Shit happens. Im not sure the details of the circumstances something is telling me the heat was way too much (40+c)
I was there but left before the chaos happened. My ticket is for sitting on the second floor. It is indeed unsafety, the floor is shaking/ bouncing from the very start. And not a light bounce, it bounces the whole time. Sad that it is stopped midway but I understand something worse might happen if they force it to continue (the sound system sucks anyway), there is a chance that the floor collapses. There are hundreds of people on it and under it.
Well done “ fans “ thanks for your support and understanding
You just decided for the band that they won’t be returning to perform in your country any time soon
got it the dude who i dont know who the f he is and not even have the connection with the band. :)
That’s really shitty for fans to do that....safety of the band and crew must come first.
I’m going to Liverpool, England in January with my daughter to watch BMTH and I can’t wait....it’s gonna be sick 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
well they could come back, fans tested the stage for them, looked safe.
Pretty sure,not 100 % though that stages are built to shift,and sway some.alot of bands have big stage shows with heavy equipment.
I hope BMTH and other bands never go back to Indonesia or at least that venue. Fans that act like that do not deserve to have shows performed. Utter disrespect not just towards the band but everyone in music.
The way those fans acted is absolutely disgusting oli made the best decision he could for the safety of everyone but it looks like a lot of them were self centered n only thinking about themselves I feel really bad for him and his band matés honestly
And that’s how an entire country will land themselves in the “no Tour” list
Not only is it wild that they rushed the stage but i think its strage how people have become like zombies with their phones feeling the need to record everything
Get over it
ITA
People pay more attention to their phones than to their children, family, significant others, etc.
Hardly anyone just enjoys the moment they’re experiencing. Be it a concert, family reunion, wedding, date, etc… and I know I’m not the only one who detests being bullied into talking to a phone. Why waste money & time only to devote yourself to a device? It’s fine to take a nice photo to remember/document an event but concentrating solely on a device as opposed to the people you’re with & the actively you’re participating in is terribly sad.
And I’m just fine, thx T.🙄
@@WhateverWhenever888haha found the wussy who stares at his phone the whole concert
@@ChickenJoe-tq6xdyea man its hard to put ur hand up mid concert with a phone and still enjoy the show 😂
Yes it's hard to enjoy a show when your main focus on your phone. You pay for the ticket though and if that's how you want to spend your time then whatever. But I really meant that the strangeness to me was when the people rushed the stage, other people felt the need to record it. Also, the people on the stage destroying it were being destructive with one hand and recording in the other like they were proud of their behavior or something..
I'm as an indonesian fans after that concert really freaking shame of my friend and juat wanna say sorry for all the crew and especially for BMTH obviously
I watched this gig from the Festival B, right side of FOH. Let me tell you something, both the promoter and crowds (which consisted mainly Gen Zs & Alphas) are both to blame. Promoter obviously didn't perform the right due diligence; the venue was obviously over capacity, security was terribly lacking, there was even someone who broke a leg and medic was fetched for far too long. The crowd? Jesus, they literally rushed to the barricade and broke numerous steel barricade, reasoning that they wanted to get as close to the stage as possible.
Terrible weekend for us, the genuine fans with respect to each other.
Let me explain here, so that night was actually a great night, but what people don't know is, the place there was very vulnerable and rocking when shadow moses was sung by BMTH, in the middle of the place there were also many people who almost fainted and it was so difficult for medical staff to get in. the crowd was dense, and what made the fans really disappointed was that the organizers casually evicted the crowds from the venue, perhaps that was what made the fans angry, the real fool was the organizers who were incompetent in selecting the venue. that's just my opinion
Yeah that Asia. I've seen this happen with Linkin Park before when they couldn't play due to weather conditions or something. Same with Korn I think. If I remember correctly, their gear got stolen that night. Not all Asia but many Asian countries have wild fans so you gotta be careful.
I was there. So let me get things right. I don't support they behavior rushing out to the stage, but i understand the dissappointment. Heres why.
First, they are a die hard BMTH fan, they've been waiting the band for ages to come and play in indonesia. They come from all across indonesia. Some of them have to fly 3-6 hours to jakarta (indonesian capital). And the concert ticket prices are very expensive for most indonesian. Most of them have to save or loan.
Second, and for me this is the most important point. When the promotor canceled the concert, they didn't tell it was because safety concern. They only said it was technical issue. IF ONLY, at that very moment the promotor tell that they can't continue because safety concern, and there will be refund, i think people will understand and none of that chaos will happened. We know the truth from ollie (bmth vocalist) the next day.
Third and last point, like i said, i don't support their behavior rushing out the stage and throwing things, but in the end, nothing have been damaged. Bmth drummer post a story the next day showing photo of his drum kit and stating "my drum kit is okay".
They dissapoint and angry towards the promotor. Not the band.
The money they charged was probably a fortune for Indonesians (poor country)
So just imagine you pay that much money, and the keyboard player doesn’t show up, and also, have your show canceled mid way.. haha can’t blame them.
These artists are making millions off people like us… life goes on
lol, the funniest thing is that the crowd went right on the "wobbly" stage and nothing has happened... but it's still understandable that the band had to make this decision
band: cancels the show because it's not safe
fans: why did they stop the show?
band: doesn't cancel show to make the fans happy and something bad happens
fans: why didn't they stop the show?
it's so sad that the BMTH concert in Indonesia was stopped in the middle of the song due to technical problems and the concert on day 2 was also cancelled. I've been a BMTH fan since I was 15 years old, and now I'm 30 years old. I saved money for BMTH concert tickets, but the concert was cancelled 😢
and yeah, I hated the way the fans acted that night
Looked like the stage held up pretty well with all those people on there.
As Indonesian, this is so embarassing and really give very bad look for any concerts held in this country. I feel bad for BMTH members, they must be traumatized with those so called fans
i was there and the fans that rushed the stage DID NOT destroy or trashing the band equipments / sounds / or anything (well it seems like it in the video). They just expressed they disappointment with the promoter. It turns out the venue was not "strong enough". The event was held on the 3rd floor inside a mall, and the crowd approx 10k++ (i don't know the exact number), with massive number crowd headbanging together and mosh pit the venue floor was like having a small "earth quake" and makes the stage bouncing even harder. the promoter DID NOT expecting the powerful reaction from the crowd, as far as i know the choice for the venue was "missed calculation" for this kind of music. Hope BMTH knows how their fans is really that desperate to see they perform in front of their eyes and still want to perform in Indonesia in the future (even tho i think Oly and the band is disappoint with Indonesia.
peace!
I was there during the show. I traveled far away from another city to be finally able to watch BMTH live, but sadly it got canceled. The promotor announced it like we didn't just spend a lot of money to see these guys live; that's what made chaos unfolded. However, i do not justify the actions of thrashing the place and disrespect the bands and the crews working there. Ivleft immediately as i was so ashamed of what these people did. I'm sorry to BMTH, i'm sorry to everyone involved. I hope to see more bands live here, but the audience can be shitty sometimes.
The promoter is the root of this problem honestly but the crowd is just something else
As an indonesian myself im really dissappointed of our people, because of this incident there will be nomore bands willing to have a stage in this country anymore
Come on people! We can do better!
They’ve touched so many lives not surprised
i'm sorry, but if i'm a fan of a band, the LAST thing i want is for something bad to happen to them. cuz if something does happen and they get injured or worse, it means that they can't keep playing. even if it only slows them down for a few days, that still sucks. but in the worst case scenario where the band gets seriously injured, that could mean they can no longer make the music i love so much.
so i'd be devastated if a band i loved took a chance, and kept playing anyway, only to get hurt or worse.
i want the bands i love to have a LONG an industrious career, so that i can keep enjoying their music for ages, not for them to try to finish one show and get so hurt they have to cancel the rest of the tour or something
Apparently the stage was safe to perform on.. 😅
Wait, so the venue knew they had a shitty stage that wouldn't withstand a big rock show, invited the band and then told them that stage wasn't safe? Blame the management, not the band or disappointed fans.
im from indonesia... Yes, it's true that in this case, the promoter and management are to blame... the promoter and management chose the wrong place, because this place was indoor... whereas the band that was brought in, namely BMTH, has a large fanbase here in Indonesia...and this is a metal concert, where we all know how the fans and audience react when the band they love performs... so at the concert there were thousands of fans present. packed the venue... and this venue was on the 2nd floor of a mall, where it was very unsafe when all the thousands of spectators were jumping...
They only told us the stage was unsafe the next day after the event promotor made a post on Instagram and turned off th comments.
I have (had) tickets for Day 2, which was of course canceled. yes I blame the organizer and venue not the band.
that big hall is on the second floor .. when thousands of people were jumping up and down.. the floor and everything was shaking .. so they stopped the show in the middle of the set .. the crowd didn't know what was happening .. after waiting an hour the crowd lost their minds
Im from Indonesia and im sorry for my people, this ticket is so expensive and thats not right to take their stuff, but many people go from far city maybe being desperate but yeah thats not a right things to do, and im a shame for them (sorry bad English)
I saw white Zombie and Pantera in 1993 the barrier broke and made a ramp to the stage. You couldn’t see the band among the fans but WZ kept playing. Then the monitor wires got ripped out the show stopped briefly then resumed all night we stage dived at the Orlando sports arena an airport hangar.. Pantera came on and Phil Anselmo said “ our stage is your stage just don’t break the equipment. We sat on the frame of the stage after stage diving 15 times and watched dimebag from 10 feet away all night he threw us over 6 guitar picks and stared us down as he played flawless licks… it was unreal 💫🥂🤘🏼🎸🎶🎵🎶🎵🎤🏆🪫🪫🪫
These "fans" are completely uncivilized. I wouldn't blame BMTH for not going back to Indonesia
The accents singing their songs are killing me 😂
You guys have never been to south east Asia…I’m not surprised by this at all.
How to convince your fav band to never come back to your country
Honestly I was there. It was too crowded at the front. All of them wanted to be at the front so they could record oli and the band on their phone. Men didn't give a damn about women and they kept pushing around until a lot of people fainted. It was too hot and there was a lot of smoke. It was my first time to a rock/metal show but it was a horrible experience. I wonder if it's the same everywhere else
Sorry about your bad experience. I was at their Bangkok show a few days earlier. The space was smaller but everyone was nice and respectful. No pushing. Only one girl fainted before the show began, so I assume it was because of her health.
@@mossycentimet yeah, I saw what it's like in bangkok. I'm so envious. Everyone looked like they had so much fun
@@papercut3753 Generally not like that in the states. It depends on the bands, but metal shows here are generally pretty chill, in so far as metal can be chill.
Just bad luck on the day, I went to see them in Nagoya and Tokyo for their NEX fest last week and the crowds were very civilised
everything you said was so on point! my take on it was that it was actually the crowd control that didn't do a proper job, they were too few compared to the crowd, which was actually quite surprising considering Ravel (the promoter) was used to successfully handling metal concerts. Also adding to that, I can assure you that this just a one-time thing and poor management from the promoter. I never feel safer anywhere than in a metal concert.
How ignorant can people like them be? If they can’t respect the band, the should NOT attend their shows.
As a fan from the Myspace era.. I honestly do not understand how any of their new music is listenable at all. I know drown is already an old song.... but still, it makes my stomach turn knowing that this is from the same band that put out Count Your Blessings
- Hey, guys, the stage is not stable enough. We need to cancel the show...
- Somebody said we climb the stage? All of us?
im sorry this happened but many huge musician/band played in this exact same venue, turned out to be successful ex : one ok rock. At the end of the day, the promotor played big roles in this situation, you can tell when the chaos happened, only a few security rushed to the stage with less coordination with other staff
I honestly won't be surprised if they aren't going to try to come back here, what the fans did were very chaotic and could potentially be very harmful like it was literally uncontrollable, I mean shit the fkn security failed and gave up. I was very excited to finally see BMTH live in Jakarta, I was on my way there and I kinda hate the fact they cancelled it mid-way at like 2-3 pm, I was very close to Jakarta when the announcement came out that they will not be doing the 2nd day but hey at least I had fun with my friends.
crazy that people attacked the band when it was literally on the venue for having an unsafe stage
Hmm. Looks like the stage was safe after all.
The problem was the poor choice of venue. The venue is never meant to be used for BMTH show.
Even when it was used for a slow mellow band when nobody jump around, the stage still shaking a little bit.
Secondly, idk when it started. But when BMTH fanbase got extremely bigger in my country, they start to become so toxic.
It's not a new thing to them to start an argument with k-pop's fans or Coldplay's fans.
I still don't understand why this error can happen. Especially with the event organization.
Earlier this year we're hosting the Hammersonic show with the same event organization and everything went well.
I can't believe the same EO who've done Hammersonic that well can make this level of error.
Maybe greed was involved or something else idk.
But im so sorry for BMTH for the bad experience. Im also glad that Matt's drum set is fine in his update.
I know I can't speak on behalf of my whole country, but still Im so sorry.
Jumping around shouldnt effect the stage structure of that size/scale, it would most likely be the speakers are too loud or heavy OR, its quite possible the builders took short cuts and created a crappy structure...
A tour manager from abroad only knows the information provided to them by each venue, usually on paper, and occasionally they can see some videos online of the venue. They can’t go traveling to globe to check each venue in person. There’s no way a tour manager would know the legal maximum occupancy number and the maximum weight for the stage’s load bearing capacity if a venue is possibly giving an inaccurate description so they’ll make more money. You can’t blame a band’s tour manager or the band itself for choosing a venue if a specific venue is not entirely honest.
Wanna be mad? Go ask to see the venue’s rider. I guarantee those contracts provided by the venue have inaccurate information.
Regardless, there’s no excuse for people rushing the stage no matter what - especially if there’s a safety concern. Everyone should comply and evacuate. Thank heavens nobody got hurt or killed. Tragedies happen at venues all the time. The band and their management made the right call to cancel. If people don’t understand the need to cancel when human safety is at risk, and then they act like buffoons on top of it, they don’t deserve to be fans. There’s ZERO excuse for that kind of behavior.
@@Tainami_ I was trying to talk about the amount of fans who was fainted during the show because of poor air circulation, the overcrowd and the fact that some fans are ignoring the no smoking regulation. Even Oli was mentioned about the air condition during the show.
Sorry about that. Clearly I was got everything mixed up badly up there. There are a lot to say in that moment.
But yeah. That's why I said maybe greed was involved in here
Looks like the stage held up just fine lol.
rumor has it that its not the stage, its the venue bcs we were on the second floor of the building. the construction is not strong enough to support most pit and shit (also the people were jumping around and all), and its too hot and crowded some people even fainted. so it bounced due to overcapacity and ended up impacting the stage
That's one way to guarantee a band to never visit again
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This will never happen in the Philippines, yes we will be upset if the concert gets cancelled but we will never act like that, not only we will get arrested but we are more mindful with our actions, though we filipinos are crazy a lot of times. 😅
They weren't told by the event organizer why the show should be stop. And the event organizer should knew the character from the locals to anticipate this things happen.
think about how Oli and everyone think after this? Having to evacuate the place and just hearing everyone singing their songs whilst they cant, and having them damage their equipment and be overall bad people and using them as an excuse.
Guess in retrospect the stage seems pretty damn strong