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I bought the greeney and yes I like the pearl inlays, I honestly wanted the gibson headstock , a little disappointed there are no wings... but it's a good guitar for 1500
I've owned the Epiphone "Greeny" for 2 weeks now and I flat out love it. Fit and finish, playability, tone and all over performance of this guitar is excellent in every aspect of what I want in a Gibson guitar. The price of $1499 is very fair.
@@brianmcalpine3948 So does mine! Owned over 40 guitars last 5 years from $200 - $6500. This is the best playing, sounding and feeling, by far. I don't care what the head stock says or the finish is.
@@younkinjames8571 My dad was born in ‘70, I’m ‘99 myself. He still raised me right though. My first vinyl was his Master of Puppets record from high school 🤟🏻
I HATE the dull satin finishes on the premium Epiphone models. It just makes it look cheap, not relic'd. Maybe its because I dont have any attachment to the Greeny history but I cant get warm to paying $1500 for an Epiphone when you can find Gibson LP classics and traditionals in excellent shape used for the same price.
Yep, a cheap satin doesn't come anywhere close to a nitro finish in appearance or feel. If they wanted to justify the price, at the very least they coulda hit it with a nitro finish to be naturally aged with time
@@ak47dragunov Yea, I have not seen many satin finishes that look good. To me this guitar looks cheap. I do like the headstock as I have never cared for the usual epiphone headstock, just looks too big.
All you have to do is buff it and it will get shiny. Easily enough done. There’s polish discs you can buy for power drills, get some polish and take it easy and slow, you don’t wanna cook the finish by going to fast.
@@slashtriothe satin finish on the Epiphone Prophecy V looks and feels nice. But then again, I never really touched a nitro finish. Personally, though, I prefer the high shine of a poly finish over the dull looking nitro ones. I also don’t like the way nitro finishes start to crack after a few decades and nitro finishes wear through a lot quicker, too. Since I’m not into the look of reliced guitars that’s also a no go for me, but hey, to each their own. People have different tastes and that’s perfectly alright.
@@pacovl46 yea, I forgot you can do that. I remember seeing a demonstration of that on RUclips at some point. I think someone did that with the epiphone 59 model. I’m not a bit fan of this greeny color but if they made a tobacco type burst, like the 59, with this new headstock that would be great.
Yeah, I paid $1,500 used for my 07 Gibson 335 in 2013. It’s sad that mid-lines are now proline price and proline are unobtainium for most regular folk.
Gibson has certainly done a few provocative things with Epiphone over the past couple of years, I am still in sticker shock over the retail price of the last two or three releases, if they would upgrade the fingerboard to Rosewood, and provide better finishes it would be easier to justify the cost, but keep in mind, the big winner and all of this is Gibson brands. Whether you buy an American made Gibson or a Chinese made Epiphone, it’s all going into the same bank account.
Real flame Maple cap instead of Maple veneer over a 5 or 6 piece Maple cap . Someone stripped the veneer off of their epi 59 and posted pics and or looked a jigsaw puzzle. There was like 6 pieces to it and the defenders all remarked how great it looked.
I think where they are coming out if China they legally can't use Rosewood due to cites treaties with Chna . Personally I think they should use ebony like eastman does . Epi uses ebony on some of the older Slash models back when they were putting the Duncan pickups in them . O know the Anaconda burst from 2018/19 had an ebony board . Ebony could give Epis a little more bite and Clarity that they sometimes lack
11:48, the stain/binding line is not due to scraping, it is a mask/tape line. Polyurethane finishes are not scraped like lacquer, the edges are instead taped off. The reason the MOP Gibson logo "pops" more is due to it being an actual piece of shell almost .10" thick, the plastic Epiphone logo is part of the headstock overlay. Poly finish aside, if Epiphone really wanted to improve their $1500 guitars they could start by using better grade fret wire. It has been my experience that the Epiphone/Chinese Fret Wire is kind of soft and gritty. Every Epiphone I've performed a Fret Leveling on has had soft fret wire that was really dirty to work with.
thank you ! i didn't know that about €piphone fret material - i feel lucky dodging that experience my first LP i went with a 2017 Gibson Tribute LP Studio HP Standard Inlays $1300.⁰⁰ 💵 im not a fan or satisfied with the nut tho' 🔩 some type of small 🦐 thin roller type i was going to get an amazing finish on €piphone two tone flip metallic blue purple green LP copy . $800.⁰⁰ 💵 but it didn't offer a HS case on that sale . [ similar to ( xiphos ) ibanez two tone flip ]
There was a time when a matte gold Gibson logo decal could be bought online. I guess for the broken headstock repair, but I don't know. I also don't know if they're still available. ...I once ran across a Flying V bass with Gibson logo for sale, but once I saw it in person, it was a bolt on neck- something Gibson didn't have. It was obviously a fake.
The Epiphone marketing guy did say that they’re using Gibson fretwire on the Greenie. So, you do get a littlemore than just the headstock and pickups. It’s still too dang expensive for a Chinese Epiphone without a rosewood fretboard. You can get a Gibson Trad Pro from a few years ago for the same or less.
That no doubt plays infinitely better. I got a used S2 594 for $1100 bucks. I can’t even believe people are going for this at this price point. It’s cool, but it’s cool for like $750 tops imo
I did the same thing and bought a 2nd hand Gibson LP Standard 60s for almost the same price they retail the Greeny, I have a Lazarus also, sorry but they are simply incomparable guitars quality and feel vise.
If you watch the latest Andertons-visits-Gibson-Vault video, Lee and Aljon talk about this being the first of the new premium range of Epiphones that are designed to replace the low-end Gibsons (basically Tributes). In terms of the unique (to Epi) features of the Greeny you get the one-piece neck, the open-book headstock, Grover tuners, MoP inlays, Gibson fretwire, custom bridge, Greenybuckers, upgraded electronics, mismatched control knobs and the carve-top is taken from a 3D scan of the original Greeny. Whether you think that plus the name (and associated artists) is worth the price is of course entirely personal.
working at a music store, would have the tribute any day over this. tribute is the real deal to buy if you’re on a budget and want a solid singlecut. I get the hype about Epiphones but if you really hold on to an Epiphone and a Gibson, one feels plastic and the other just feels solid. Even tho you have to be careful with Gibsons too maybe there are less well crafted ones, but never ever felt that plastic like feeling that most of the Epiphones have. Played this guitar at work and its just doesnt even come close to a Tribute.
I bought one of these. Very nice guitar thanks to all the little touches that separate it from a 1959 spec Epi LP. No regrets at all. Some of the tops on these things are very ugly, I managed to get one that's on the darker side and looks pretty nice thanks to my sweetwater rep picking one out for me about a month before it officially went on sale.
Yeah Sweetwater is the best. I’m lucky enough to live about an hour away and decided to get myself a Taylor 210ce and loved that I was able to see all of the different serials they had. Got one with a very nice pattern on the backing.
With regard to your comments about the frets, they do indeed use gibson fret wire on this guitar as disclosed at the end of the Andertons Gibson Garage visit video. It will also give you a better understanding of where Epiphone are trying to go with their upper range of guitars.
@@dboone7670no they've been using since the take over. Again it's just snoby bigiots hating epiphone whilst trying to defend Gibson outrageous pricing.
Gonna say it...I never have liked the out of phase sound and probably never will. If I ended up with a Greeny of any variety I'd find it necessary to make the neck pickup a normal phase one.
It's either Gibson/Fender Custom Shop/PRS Core, or it's Firefly...nothing in between. Little harsh, but what I mean, is that they're offering a lot of features in the "budget guitar" range these days. $1500 for a made in China or Indonesia mass import is a no-go for me. Those have to stay below $1,000.
I dig it. Thanks for the rundown. I think an untapped market for the Greenie (as far as I know) would be for them to come out with a Greeny ‘69. I’m sure there’s a ton of Peter Green fans out there who would love to have a version of the guitar in the same condition it was in before he sold it to Moore. It’s gotta happen eventually.
The ironic thing is. Epiphone is supposed to be the “Official” licence product of a Gibson Les Paul. You would think, they’d they’d make them identical “cosmetically”. Woods and electronics can obviously be less expensive, but ironically Epiphone are the most “Unlike” Official Licensed products ever 😅
I collect Epiphone signature model guitars, so this was a must have for me. As far as playability, sound & feel, it’s not much different than the Epiphone 1959 reissue. The Greenybuckers are pretty great. I think if they were to still include the leatherette booklet with signed COA & picture, I’d feel a little better about the price. As far as future Epis with the open book headstock, I’m really hoping they’ll release a Jimmy Page #2. I’d pay $1500 for that as well. Phenomenal guitar, a great addition to my collection, but as far as being a players guitar, I like my Epi ‘59 & even my Chibson Greeny better
I collect Epi Signature LP's also. I've heard that they will be releasing a new Adam Jones (non-art) with this open book headstock. I passed on buying this Greeny, but I'd get another Adam Jones guitar in a heartbeat.
Very awesome review! I feel like ever since Kirk acquired the greeny, it has given him a new love for playing the guitar. Prior to him acquiring it, he was more on the surfing kick and now he’s a little bit more into Music again. And I think it’s a direct result of the guitar. And if that’s the case, then we should all be thankful for Qveen and Guitars and hopefully we have some more awesome albums coming out from Metallica in the future!
In the Anderton's Gibson Garage tour, the Epiphone guy said that the frets on these are "Gibson frets". What that means, who knows, but higher quality regardless, as you noticed. So when you were doing your cost calculation, and assessing the value over the Lazarus, those, plus the MoP inlays, Grover tuners over Kluson-style Epiphone tuners, the complexity of having two different knobs and a unique poker chip (some maybe only used on this model?), and POSSIBLY even not having headstock wings on a wider wood blank, are all factors that would contribute to more cost to produce and this drive up the price. While only the inlays and frets really being selling points to the customer, imo. That makes the price make more sense, though we still don't have to like it. Just some thoughts. Side notes, I agree with you, at this point, rather than MoP inlays, lets see a 2-screw TRC, a good nut, and Gibson pickup rings. They should be able to save money as a company with that last one. Less complexity + larger economy of scale = more profit.
I actually like the fact that this version doesn't have the aging. I really dislike reliced instruments. Just give me the correct specs. I'll add the aging myself through honest play wear!
Bought the lemon burst 59 Epiphone Les Paul on sale at GC. It was about half the price of the Greeny and after a good set-up, it plays/sounds just fantastic. Maybe I'll add a set of Grover LOCKING tuners too?
Epiphone Elite/Elitist were a huge failure because idiots were like just buy a Les Paul studio. Those in the know know the Elite/Elitist guitars are great guitars.
We can buy FGN guitar which made Epiphone and Gibson and Fender in the past in Japan. Now they make Ibanez guitar. FGN has some model similar to les paul.
I'm glad he finally realized it's the same finish, just buffed to a shine somewhat. The calculations for value escape me? The 59's were originally released at $799. I've had 4 of them. I'm just not seeing the value in these? Personally, I think the unpotted Burstbucker 2&3 in the regular 59's are much better pickups. Also, the tuners on the "Greeny" are the some p.o.s. they put on the AJ sigs. The regular 59's come with excellent Epiphone tuners that I've had zero issues with. Whereas my AJ sig needed upgrade to Gotoh keystones. You could get 2 regular 59's for $1500 with some haggling I'd bet. Take one and Greeny mod it yourself. $1500 is ridiculous.
It's a tribute model. The tuners were later changed to Grover types, which was a normal 'upgrade' many of us did in the 60 & 70s. I prefer the original types these days, not Grovers. The Vintage brand reliced version even has the old screw holes on the back of the headstock where the original ones would have been after the 'upgrade'.
Fun fact, Greeny isn’t named after Peter Green…but rather all the greens it rakes in for Gibson/Kirk.🤑Won’t be surprised if Kirk makes more on this guitar than what he originally paid for it.
@@tonynew3047 Yup! Still, I’m glad he’s playing it and sharing it with the world in some way. Any other collector might have locked it away in some private collection.
Nice review as always!! I do find it interesting that everyone is catching up on the pick up/magnet arrangement of the Greeny. That set up was available in the 2004-2006 Joe Perry Boneyard Epi with the insanely flamed Boneyard veneer. And it flew completely under the radar!! Anyway, as a dedicated Epiphone player and collector I want one, but NOT for $1500. I'll wait till the buzz subsides and get a nice used one. Great job on the review, keep them coming!!! Bryan
thank you i didn't know that - one of these days i'm gonna get that Perry €piphone Boneyard because it has '60s neck taper i want the Gibson Version also but i will put it on back burner for later down the road since it has '50s neck and i would like that for reminiscing nostalgia when practicing or recording or jamming for a bit , because it took me nearly forever to escape the baseball bat universe
epiphones dont have scraped binding,Im pretty sure its masked off . gibson is probably one of the few that scrape if not the only company to do it that way
Greenie is oversaturated now. I'm waiting on the Gibson Les Paul 3 pickup black beauty Ace Frehley talked about Gibson doing two years ago at a concert.
I bought one and really like it . I've owned many Gibson Les Pauls and a couple Epi Les Paul's. so i guess its really about personal preferences. Id rather pay a little more for these better made Epi's than older ones ...
I'm not interested in the "greeny" legacy, but I love the fact that this guitar has Gibson style headstock. In my opinion Epiphones should always have the Gibson headstock, like the PRS models.
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I'll second that. My local guitar shop owner said, " Hey did you hear about the new Epiphone Greenie?" I just shook my head and waved my hand. He replied, " yeah me too. "
Just so you know, the nut is a Graph Tech nut, which is the same as what Gibson uses nowadays. Most Epis use them too. Only the bottom of the barrel Epis like the Special II don’t use them.
Yea wasn't sure why he was dogging it like that lol Graphtech is the best outside of bone & brass. They even say Graphtech at the top. I think he was just complaining about the fit of it tho & how they're not flush to the neck. Epi uses Graphtech on some of their cheaper guitars too tho fwiw
I have a theory Eastman guitars are coming with real pearl inlays too maybe trying to compete at that mid range price point. Both my Eastmans are ebony with real pearl and they look great
I'm not a fan of how they did the Gibson headstock. It is different and it bothers me slightly. But what bothers me most is that the Epiphone logo is so close to the top edge and it has so much room to the bottom. Why couldn't they center vertically a little better?
I wonder how the actual sales of all the different versions of greeny have been? I personally am totally sick of greeny, and Kirk tends to have way too many signature models that it’s overkill. Even with ESP… simply too many models to choose from. I still see the Kirk Hammett custom shop flying V re-issues all over the place for sale and even the $20,000 greeny so I guess there’s not really a huge demand. Just my opinion of course how does everyone else feel?
i think everyone should be doing whatever they choose - my motto i use, is This - Squier Freedom Of Expression Since 1982 plus , one never knows when a young guitar player is dreaming of a specific model wether it is a signature model or whatever they are striving to get - or someone comes back to playing again after 20 years, being somewhere else busy doing everything else . in my day none of these options were available and getting parts or repairs was not very simple where im from - can you imagine being 15 yrs old and getting your Kirk Hammett Gibson Flying V as the biggest surprise ever for Christmas 🎄 ?? or you are gonna be turning 12 in a couple of months and you dream and wish for the KH SE model ? and someone pulls through making it happen ..
that bridge is different from the normal Epiphones with larger flat-screw heads! That's the first time i saw them use this bridge, so i guess that's a premium? i thought it was an ABR Nashville style, studs but with posts on the body (instead of the real ABR-1 bridge with no posts on the body).
Out of my sample size of 5 guitars..... Sad to say it but epiphone has better QC than Gibson USA. Actually no I'm not sorry, returned a Gibson custom shop les paul that was $7200 and got a PRS for $1200.... Night and day
Definitely doesn't look like you can see the top in the cutaway.. The line you see between the body and binding is binding that hasnt been masked off during painting, you see it on Gibsons and others as well
Facts- Kramer is Gibsons new entry level line. This Keeps Stratocasters in the entry level arena but moves Les Paul’s out of the entry level and into mid level aspirational guitars for new players to graduate into. And then into a “real” Gibson. One day, etcetera.
I kinda wish that gibson followed what fender did with the japanese copies and just made em officially licensed products instead of filling a lawsuit back then. It would help with their product stack having the MIJ licensed Gibson's be around the 1000-2000 mark, epiphones would be the under 1000 mark, while usa gibsons would be the above 2000 mark
My 89 has the open book headstock I believe 89 was the first year Epiphone made the Les Paul Customs. Long neck tenon they are pretty decently spec'ed out and can take a beating!
I have a 2000 Japanese exclusive Epiphone LPC 80. Same with the open book headstock and long neck tenon. From my understanding, these came from the same place as the Orville by Gibson guitars. It's the only Epiphone I've played that's on par with Gibsons
@@joerobertson795 I’m not sure if it will hold value better than Greeny but these 1989-1990 Korean Epis do sell for quite a bit for some reason. In some cases around $1000. My guess is that used Epi Greenys will be about the same.
@@KevinTheMetalhead They are pumping out the Greeneys by the thousands and every online retailer has them in stock. They are not Custom Shop or Limited Release. There are literally 10's of thousands of them in warehouses in the US. How many MIK Epi Customs are out there with the Gibson headstock that was Only Made for One Year in '89? Yours will hold much more value 10 years from now. Hang onto it Brother.
I totally disagree with bringing the Gibson Nitro finish to Epiphone, it would be a major step backward, the reason I refuse to pay big money for a guitar with a cheap 50s finish that will crack and chip and look terrible in a decade.
... and turn a white guitar yellow, and a blue guitar green. Some things are best consigned to history as bad ideas that have been superceded with ones fit for purpose. But those "vintage correct" obsessives think it will magically imbue them with more skill.
been watching you for years. your passion has blossomed nicely. i used to love gibson but i cant give up my tele. i bought a brand new gibson 1979 natural custom deluxe, gold plated hardware and three pickups from musicians friend. way too much guitar for me. i gave it to a friend. the price was under 800, shipped to alaska. please do more fenders. be well.
I have a limited edition Epiphone 1959 Les Paul Std in aged Lemon with AAA flame veneer top. It has the Gibson Headstock plus Gibson Burstbucker 2 and 3 Pickups. All in a brown hardcore and pink lining for only £750.
Esp Ltd eclipse and those types of guitars are probably dominating the 1000-1500 single cut market. I'd say gibson realised they need to take some market share there and it would be worth giving epi a boost
I used to be a "brand name" snob, mostly back when I played. Gibson for guitars, Fender for basses. No compromise. (...until I got an Ovation Magnum bass, although it didn't replace the '64 Precision or '68 Tele Bass for the road). I recently bought a used Epi LP Special, just to have a different guitar as I picked up an instrument for the first time in almost 20 years (along with a new Vox modeling amp). I have ZERO negative issues with it, especially for a $100 guitar. One hundred bucks. I got it to do a cheapo P90 swap, but for just around the house through a small amp, the cheap humbuckers are fine. This thing actually plays better than the real deal '73 LP Custom I had. Maybe not as nice as my old Tele, but it sounds like a guitar with humbuckers. Neck and playability are the most important things to me. I literally yesterday spent another hundred and a quarter for an Epi Junior, just because the Special works so well. That one is going to get a P90 regardless. There are so many of these Epiphones and other replicas that they'll never reach true "collector's" status, so as an old guy, just buy a cheap and used thing to customize to preference if it's one that feels right. The Epi Special looked like real tobacco burst online, but is a sparkling shiny ugly black around orange instead of brown around golden ochre like the real deal. I don't want to take it apart again, so it'll stay ugly. It still gives a nasty growl on the third fret G bend on the low E string when transitioning between E to A or vice versa, and that appeals to me, so it stays. The Junior is black on black, so I might strip the face for the refinish if I like it, to make it look more like a real Gibson from my time. I have a '54 ES125 and '59 Melody Maker for face to face reference, and I was a scenic artist after my music days. It'll never be worth more than around (or less than) two hundred bucks anyway, so I could paint it pink with latex and a brush if it plays well. I might even clip the Epi clipped ears on the headstock to do the open book look if the Epi logo isn't too high.... something which really varies with these things. We'll see. I don't need or want an overpriced "endorsed" signature model of anything. I can't see Joe Perry playing a Kirk Hammet or Billy Joe Armstrong signature (or vice versa) after all. Anyone who plays is their own player. As for this one, when you played it, it does sound quite good, so there's that.
i look at this as gibson trying to regain ground from prs se/s2. i personally would consider epiphone more with the gibson headstock. the epiphone one was a no go for me. every other manufacturer has the same or very, very close headstock up and down their lines. about time gibson is following suit.
@@joerobertson795 Agreed. Heck, there's a couple sellers on reverb with S2 Mccarty 594s brand new for $1500 or less. American Made, rosewood, nitro, real flame maple top...
@@trevor4533 It's the same finish as my 594 w/58/15LTs, but it a single cut. I haven't seen it on a 594sc. I love the one I have and it's a stupid reason to buy another one, but I have a bad habit when it comes to guitars.
Love the show trogly. Just tyerd of the supper hi prices of the epiphone guitars. Epiphone used to be my go to but now for the same money I can get a really nice used gibson guitar.
I can’t fathom wanting to spend gibson money on an epiphone. You can pick up a nitro finished full flavor Gibson for 1200-1400. I have nothing against epiphones. But when they cost as much as a used Gibson I have a super hard time understanding it. I just picked up a gorgous mint ebony 2017 Gibson SG Standard T w/ohsc for 1000. That’s not a cheapy studio type model, either, that’s the full gloss nitro finish, bound fretboard, trapezoid inlays, a black-dark rosewood fretboard, factory with locking grovers and 7 lbs. for 1000$. This epiphone costs $1700 after tax. You could get a used But mint Gibson SG standard or LP trad pro *plus* a brand new PRS SE mccarty both for the cost of this new poly finished Chinese guitar that says epiphone on the headstock 😂 Not to mention- you can pick up a used 2023 Gibson LP Standard 50/60 for 1800. I sold a 2023 standard 60’s for 1800 a few months ago. Somebody would have to be completely braindead to pay gibson standard money for a china epiphone. If anybody buys this i’m gonna be shocked. I can’t wait to see people trying to sell them used for $1500 in a few months 😂 I still see all the same epiphone IBGCS V’s and SG’s for sale in my area for 5 months now. People have them listed for 1300-1500 and they sit there permanently bcuz only a brain damaged person would pay Gibson money for an Epiphone. I cannot believe that people buy these. Wait! I get it!!! It’s Zounds. This model wouldn’t exist without Zounds. They should call this the Epiphone inspired by Zounds and pay in 4 Les Paul Greeny.
I've got an epi 59 and though it arrived with a broken headstock, I repaired it but the greenie is far superior in sound, playability but it is worth it. It's better than my last Gibson. It's awesome.
The 3 screw trust rod cover keeps the guitar honest. That way you have a way to tell its an Epiphone if someone does a switch a roo with the Gibson logo.
well i got suckered in by gibson and bought the 3100 buck non aged gibson version, had i known these were coming out id bought this guitar instead. at less than half the price of the gibson. i did turn my bridge pickup around i hated the look and not to fond of the sound either. to each his own i guess. as for the truss rod cover, you gave the reason, im not fond of the allen key truss rod adjustment on the epis, but it works and i can live with that.
Gibson needs to change to Indian rosewood on all their Epiphones, this other stuff just looks like crap. PRS uses Indian rosewood on all their SE models.
@@cheebsgod he could very well be using EMG's in it, and people wouldn't know. Hetfield had custom EMG's made for his original Iron Cross that looked just like aged gold-covered pickups which were EMG's underneath.
There’s something odd going on with the sound. I haven’t heard the Greenybuckers in a Gibson, however everything coming from this guitar sounded very compressed and quite thin. Not sure if it’s the guitar, the pickups or the amp/pedal setup.
I'm quite interested in this one . Don't know if it's as good or at least decently appointed but if I could I'd likely get one. All things considered I've got several Epiphones. Two SGs I bought from Trogley a Casino a Trad Pro III a 335 and a EJ200 . I'm pretty satisfied with them as far as price to quality . Most were in the $450 - $ 600 range . The Casino was a little higher but worth its price. The SGs weren't to bad if I remember they were a few hundred or so. I think if Trogley wouldve played Oh Well in its original style aa played by Peter Greene it wouldve given us a but more of why some players like the out of phase.sound.
Yo ! You are sooooooo crazy ! 🤪 Just a few months/years ago you was the one saying Epiphone should raise prices on guitars ( the TV Yellow version comes to mind ) , now you are saying lower the price . LMAO 😂 SMH 🤦🏾♂
I believe in the mid to late 90’s a number of made in Japan Epiphone’s had the open book headstock prior to transitioning to the Orville by Gibson series. Although I could be wrong on the timeline a bit. Good to see them bringing it back this way though.
Salutations Austin! I think this new Epiphone has a lot of nice features, but why not use rosewood for the fretboard instead of Indian Laurel, after all, they did add mother of pearl inlays, why not go the extra mile and use rosewood or ebony? I do really like it though, and I would be inclined to upgrade the electronics to include coil splitting, phase switching, and possibly something more, like direct to lead. I wouldn’t be as discouraged from modifying this particular instrument. Thank you for reviewing this instrument and posting this video! Please have an excellent and awesome day! ☀️✨🎸
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Sure, why not? Had they wanted to put Gibson pickup rings on it, I'm pretty sure they could've without much loss of revenue
I bought the greeney and yes I like the pearl inlays, I honestly wanted the gibson headstock , a little disappointed there are no wings... but it's a good guitar for 1500
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well i appreciate this
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Would like a review on the Lizzy Hale Kramer please
It’s nice feature however just not on this guitar, it’s a big change from the original
I think they should’ve stayed with the original motif
I've owned the Epiphone "Greeny" for 2 weeks now and I flat out love it. Fit and finish, playability, tone and all over performance of this guitar is excellent in every aspect of what I want in a Gibson guitar. The price of $1499 is very fair.
Hope you're right mine comes tomorrow!!
Same here with my Greenie.
@@memphismick7010 I got mine and hands down the best guitar under $3K I have ever had. Just in love with this thing! Hope you enjoy yours!
I just found one brand new guitar center for 1100$. Picked it up two hours ago and jt blows my Gibson standard out of the water and then some
@@brianmcalpine3948 So does mine! Owned over 40 guitars last 5 years from $200 - $6500. This is the best playing, sounding and feeling, by far. I don't care what the head stock says or the finish is.
Basically Kirk will end up owning Greeny for free after all this greeny stuff being sold
Kirk hasn’t had to worry about a bill since 1990 😂
@@TylerJohnstonGuitar I certainly did my part in those days
@@younkinjames8571 My dad was born in ‘70, I’m ‘99 myself. He still raised me right though. My first vinyl was his Master of Puppets record from high school 🤟🏻
All the things you say that the guitar needs, would cost us another $2500?
If Gibson is trying to reposition Epiphone as a more mid-tier brand,wouldn’t it make sense to put emphasis on Maestro as the beginner’s guitar brand?
I HATE the dull satin finishes on the premium Epiphone models. It just makes it look cheap, not relic'd. Maybe its because I dont have any attachment to the Greeny history but I cant get warm to paying $1500 for an Epiphone when you can find Gibson LP classics and traditionals in excellent shape used for the same price.
Yep, a cheap satin doesn't come anywhere close to a nitro finish in appearance or feel. If they wanted to justify the price, at the very least they coulda hit it with a nitro finish to be naturally aged with time
@@ak47dragunov Yea, I have not seen many satin finishes that look good. To me this guitar looks cheap. I do like the headstock as I have never cared for the usual epiphone headstock, just looks too big.
All you have to do is buff it and it will get shiny. Easily enough done. There’s polish discs you can buy for power drills, get some polish and take it easy and slow, you don’t wanna cook the finish by going to fast.
@@slashtriothe satin finish on the Epiphone Prophecy V looks and feels nice. But then again, I never really touched a nitro finish. Personally, though, I prefer the high shine of a poly finish over the dull looking nitro ones. I also don’t like the way nitro finishes start to crack after a few decades and nitro finishes wear through a lot quicker, too. Since I’m not into the look of reliced guitars that’s also a no go for me, but hey, to each their own. People have different tastes and that’s perfectly alright.
@@pacovl46 yea, I forgot you can do that. I remember seeing a demonstration of that on RUclips at some point. I think someone did that with the epiphone 59 model. I’m not a bit fan of this greeny color but if they made a tobacco type burst, like the 59, with this new headstock that would be great.
Yeah, I paid $1,500 used for my 07 Gibson 335 in 2013. It’s sad that mid-lines are now proline price and proline are unobtainium for most regular folk.
Gibson has certainly done a few provocative things with Epiphone over the past couple of years, I am still in sticker shock over the retail price of the last two or three releases, if they would upgrade the fingerboard to Rosewood, and provide better finishes
it would be easier to justify the cost, but keep in mind, the big winner and all of this is Gibson brands. Whether you buy an American made Gibson or a Chinese made Epiphone, it’s all going into the same bank account.
Except, buying Epiphone supports big bad red CCP
Real flame Maple cap instead of Maple veneer over a 5 or 6 piece Maple cap . Someone stripped the veneer off of their epi 59 and posted pics and or looked a jigsaw puzzle. There was like 6 pieces to it and the defenders all remarked how great it looked.
I think where they are coming out if China they legally can't use Rosewood due to cites treaties with Chna .
Personally I think they should use ebony like eastman does . Epi uses ebony on some of the older Slash models back when they were putting the Duncan pickups in them . O know the Anaconda burst from 2018/19 had an ebony board .
Ebony could give Epis a little more bite and Clarity that they sometimes lack
@@adamwatson6916 I counted seven edges looking around the sides of a Gibson with the Townshend pick-ups. Lowered my expectations of them.
I'd like a made in USA Epi line to choose from. All models including Epi's original shapes.
11:48, the stain/binding line is not due to scraping, it is a mask/tape line.
Polyurethane finishes are not scraped like lacquer, the edges are instead taped off.
The reason the MOP Gibson logo "pops" more is due to it being an actual piece of shell almost .10" thick, the plastic Epiphone logo is part of the headstock overlay.
Poly finish aside, if Epiphone really wanted to improve their $1500 guitars they could start by using better grade fret wire.
It has been my experience that the Epiphone/Chinese Fret Wire is kind of soft and gritty.
Every Epiphone I've performed a Fret Leveling on has had soft fret wire that was really dirty to work with.
In the Anderton's Gibson Garage video the guy said Greeny has Gibson Fret Wire
@@styrenebuilds6851 Thank You, very good to know and a huge improvement.👍😉
thank you !
i didn't know that about €piphone
fret material -
i feel lucky dodging that experience
my first LP
i went with a
2017 Gibson Tribute LP Studio HP Standard Inlays $1300.⁰⁰ 💵
im not a fan or satisfied with the nut tho' 🔩
some type of small 🦐 thin roller type
i was going to get
an amazing finish on
€piphone two tone flip metallic blue purple green LP copy .
$800.⁰⁰ 💵
but it didn't offer a
HS case on that sale .
[ similar to ( xiphos ) ibanez two tone flip ]
There was a time when a matte gold Gibson logo decal could be bought online. I guess for the broken headstock repair, but I don't know. I also don't know if they're still available. ...I once ran across a Flying V bass with Gibson logo for sale, but once I saw it in person, it was a bolt on neck- something Gibson didn't have. It was obviously a fake.
The Epiphone marketing guy did say that they’re using Gibson fretwire on the Greenie. So, you do get a littlemore than just the headstock and pickups.
It’s still too dang expensive for a Chinese Epiphone without a rosewood fretboard. You can get a Gibson Trad Pro from a few years ago for the same or less.
That no doubt plays infinitely better. I got a used S2 594 for $1100 bucks. I can’t even believe people are going for this at this price point. It’s cool, but it’s cool for like $750 tops imo
I did the same thing and bought a 2nd hand Gibson LP Standard 60s for almost the same price they retail the Greeny, I have a Lazarus also, sorry but they are simply incomparable guitars quality and feel vise.
Just a matter of time until Gibson moves all it's production to China.
If you watch the latest Andertons-visits-Gibson-Vault video, Lee and Aljon talk about this being the first of the new premium range of Epiphones that are designed to replace the low-end Gibsons (basically Tributes). In terms of the unique (to Epi) features of the Greeny you get the one-piece neck, the open-book headstock, Grover tuners, MoP inlays, Gibson fretwire, custom bridge, Greenybuckers, upgraded electronics, mismatched control knobs and the carve-top is taken from a 3D scan of the original Greeny. Whether you think that plus the name (and associated artists) is worth the price is of course entirely personal.
You get a Chinese epiphone.
I hate that ppl associate this guitar with Kirk Hammett He is so overrated
working at a music store, would have the tribute any day over this. tribute is the real deal to buy if you’re on a budget and want a solid singlecut. I get the hype about Epiphones but if you really hold on to an Epiphone and a Gibson, one feels plastic and the other just feels solid. Even tho you have to be careful with Gibsons too maybe there are less well crafted ones, but never ever felt that plastic like feeling that most of the Epiphones have. Played this guitar at work and its just doesnt even come close to a Tribute.
I bought one of these. Very nice guitar thanks to all the little touches that separate it from a 1959 spec Epi LP. No regrets at all.
Some of the tops on these things are very ugly, I managed to get one that's on the darker side and looks pretty nice thanks to my sweetwater rep picking one out for me about a month before it officially went on sale.
You probably feel stupid for buying that guitar…
Yeah Sweetwater is the best. I’m lucky enough to live about an hour away and decided to get myself a Taylor 210ce and loved that I was able to see all of the different serials they had. Got one with a very nice pattern on the backing.
AGREE ! I LOVE MINE ❤️
With regard to your comments about the frets, they do indeed use gibson fret wire on this guitar as disclosed at the end of the Andertons Gibson Garage visit video. It will also give you a better understanding of where Epiphone are trying to go with their upper range of guitars.
Is there anything special about the fret wire Gibson uses?
@@dboone7670no they've been using since the take over. Again it's just snoby bigiots hating epiphone whilst trying to defend Gibson outrageous pricing.
It's not where Epiphone is taking the brand. It's where Gibson is taking the brand.
Only thing missing from this Greeny are a few trips down a flight of stairs!
why ?
To value add it ! LoL 😂
@@solaris70cause they relic the s out of it
Buy the Vintage reliced version of the Greenie. They have new and reliced versions.
Cause Greenie has a broken neck
Gonna say it...I never have liked the out of phase sound and probably never will. If I ended up with a Greeny of any variety I'd find it necessary to make the neck pickup a normal phase one.
It's either Gibson/Fender Custom Shop/PRS Core, or it's Firefly...nothing in between. Little harsh, but what I mean, is that they're offering a lot of features in the "budget guitar" range these days. $1500 for a made in China or Indonesia mass import is a no-go for me. Those have to stay below $1,000.
Last time I was this early there were only 29 versions of this guitar.🤣😂😊
Hahahahaha!!!
@@jameshughes6049 Plus, I’m wondering if I could get it in silverburst.
To many Greenies out there!
Not if you're left handed mate, but a single one from all four iterations
I dig it. Thanks for the rundown. I think an untapped market for the Greenie (as far as I know) would be for them to come out with a Greeny ‘69. I’m sure there’s a ton of Peter Green fans out there who would love to have a version of the guitar in the same condition it was in before he sold it to Moore. It’s gotta happen eventually.
I kind of want one, but that fret board makes me sad
This feels like The Official Chibson
Authentic Chibson
To have a two screw trust rod cover is not just routing, they would have to use a different truss rod with the acorn nut instead of the 5MM hex
The ironic thing is. Epiphone is supposed to be the “Official” licence product of a Gibson Les Paul.
You would think, they’d they’d make them identical “cosmetically”. Woods and electronics can obviously be less expensive, but ironically Epiphone are the most “Unlike” Official Licensed products ever 😅
@@The_Camera_Guy217 But that two way truss rod in the Epiphone is better , but looks are more important
I collect Epiphone signature model guitars, so this was a must have for me. As far as playability, sound & feel, it’s not much different than the Epiphone 1959 reissue. The Greenybuckers are pretty great. I think if they were to still include the leatherette booklet with signed COA & picture, I’d feel a little better about the price. As far as future Epis with the open book headstock, I’m really hoping they’ll release a Jimmy Page #2. I’d pay $1500 for that as well. Phenomenal guitar, a great addition to my collection, but as far as being a players guitar, I like my Epi ‘59 & even my Chibson Greeny better
junk
GREENY BUCKERS??? REALLY!!!
@@knoxyish that’s what they’re called. You can buy them separately for $300
I collect Epi Signature LP's also. I've heard that they will be releasing a new Adam Jones (non-art) with this open book headstock. I passed on buying this Greeny, but I'd get another Adam Jones guitar in a heartbeat.
Yes on the Jimmy Page model!
If I am not mistaken the headstock pitch on a Epiphone LP is not as great as that of a Gibson. So they are not as prone to damage.
It's true - but, there's a reason for that pitch.
The body binding is also scraped on the top edge, no one is mentioning that yet. Surprised he didn't mention it. Priced to high, I think.
Very awesome review! I feel like ever since Kirk acquired the greeny, it has given him a new love for playing the guitar. Prior to him acquiring it, he was more on the surfing kick and now he’s a little bit more into Music again. And I think it’s a direct result of the guitar. And if that’s the case, then we should all be thankful for Qveen and Guitars and hopefully we have some more awesome albums coming out from Metallica in the future!
As an owner of a few Gibsons (and Epi's), I'm glad they didn't copy the truss rod cover. It's an Epiphone, man.
Just grab one and I’m having the rotomatic tuners replaced with the Kluson style tuners…I like the vintage vibe it gives.
In the Anderton's Gibson Garage tour, the Epiphone guy said that the frets on these are "Gibson frets". What that means, who knows, but higher quality regardless, as you noticed.
So when you were doing your cost calculation, and assessing the value over the Lazarus, those, plus the MoP inlays, Grover tuners over Kluson-style Epiphone tuners, the complexity of having two different knobs and a unique poker chip (some maybe only used on this model?), and POSSIBLY even not having headstock wings on a wider wood blank, are all factors that would contribute to more cost to produce and this drive up the price.
While only the inlays and frets really being selling points to the customer, imo.
That makes the price make more sense, though we still don't have to like it.
Just some thoughts.
Side notes, I agree with you, at this point, rather than MoP inlays, lets see a 2-screw TRC, a good nut, and Gibson pickup rings. They should be able to save money as a company with that last one. Less complexity + larger economy of scale = more profit.
I actually like the fact that this version doesn't have the aging. I really dislike reliced instruments. Just give me the correct specs. I'll add the aging myself through honest play wear!
Won't be able to age these tho
Bought the lemon burst 59 Epiphone Les Paul on sale at GC. It was about half the price of the Greeny and after a good set-up, it plays/sounds just fantastic. Maybe I'll add a set of Grover LOCKING tuners too?
Epiphone should have a MIJ range of guitars
The chi com's would never allow that.
Epiphone Elite/Elitist were a huge failure because idiots were like just buy a Les Paul studio.
Those in the know know the Elite/Elitist guitars are great guitars.
We can buy FGN guitar which made Epiphone and Gibson and Fender in the past in Japan. Now they make Ibanez guitar. FGN has some model similar to les paul.
You can already get a Edwards, FGN or Tokai for the same price or even less. And they are miles ahead of an Epiphone.
Pricing would be comparable to USA Gibsons and it would still say Epi at the top. No one would buy them.
Up until now, I hadn't realized that the trussrod cover has three screws. Now I can't unsee it 😂😂🤣
You would think after all these demos Troggly would have figirued out by now how to dial in a decent guitar tone .
It’s his amp, I think he’s using a little combo with a 10” speaker,no reverb or anything., but his playing is improving!, someone’s been practicing 😊
I always skip the playing section, it's impressive how he manages to make every guitar sound like crap
I don’t think it’s that bad, being a little harsh there.
I'm glad he finally realized it's the same finish, just buffed to a shine somewhat. The calculations for value escape me? The 59's were originally released at $799. I've had 4 of them. I'm just not seeing the value in these? Personally, I think the unpotted Burstbucker 2&3 in the regular 59's are much better pickups. Also, the tuners on the "Greeny" are the some p.o.s. they put on the AJ sigs. The regular 59's come with excellent Epiphone tuners that I've had zero issues with. Whereas my AJ sig needed upgrade to Gotoh keystones. You could get 2 regular 59's for $1500 with some haggling I'd bet. Take one and Greeny mod it yourself. $1500 is ridiculous.
It's a tribute model. The tuners were later changed to Grover types, which was a normal 'upgrade' many of us did in the 60 & 70s. I prefer the original types these days, not Grovers. The Vintage brand reliced version even has the old screw holes on the back of the headstock where the original ones would have been after the 'upgrade'.
Fun fact, Greeny isn’t named after Peter Green…but rather all the greens it rakes in for Gibson/Kirk.🤑Won’t be surprised if Kirk makes more on this guitar than what he originally paid for it.
So he actually gets the guitar for free. Lucky dude.
@@tonynew3047 Yup! Still, I’m glad he’s playing it and sharing it with the world in some way. Any other collector might have locked it away in some private collection.
Nice review as always!! I do find it interesting that everyone is catching up on the pick up/magnet arrangement of the Greeny. That set up was available in the 2004-2006 Joe Perry Boneyard Epi with the insanely flamed Boneyard veneer. And it flew completely under the radar!! Anyway, as a dedicated Epiphone player and collector I want one, but NOT for $1500. I'll wait till the buzz subsides and get a nice used one. Great job on the review, keep them coming!!! Bryan
thank you
i didn't know that -
one of these days i'm gonna get that Perry
€piphone Boneyard
because it has '60s neck taper
i want the Gibson Version also but i will put it on back burner for later down the road
since it has '50s neck
and i would like that for
reminiscing nostalgia
when practicing or recording or jamming
for a bit , because
it took me nearly forever to escape the baseball bat
universe
epiphones dont have scraped binding,Im pretty sure its masked off . gibson is probably one of the few that scrape if not the only company to do it that way
Greenie is oversaturated now. I'm waiting on the Gibson Les Paul 3 pickup black beauty Ace Frehley talked about Gibson doing two years ago at a concert.
I bought one and really like it . I've owned many Gibson Les Pauls and a couple Epi Les Paul's. so i guess its really about personal preferences. Id rather pay a little more for these better made Epi's than older ones ...
I'm not interested in the "greeny" legacy, but I love the fact that this guitar has Gibson style headstock. In my opinion Epiphones should always have the Gibson headstock, like the PRS models.
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I’m not a fan of the greenie. I’m also tired of hearing about it.
I'm right there with ya, Sarge
Ditto
Would rather see a Jimmy Page #1 Epiphone
I'll second that. My local guitar shop owner said, " Hey did you hear about the new Epiphone Greenie?" I just shook my head and waved my hand. He replied, " yeah me too. "
I still respect your opinion even tho I dissagree
Just so you know, the nut is a Graph Tech nut, which is the same as what Gibson uses nowadays. Most Epis use them too. Only the bottom of the barrel Epis like the Special II don’t use them.
Yea wasn't sure why he was dogging it like that lol Graphtech is the best outside of bone & brass. They even say Graphtech at the top. I think he was just complaining about the fit of it tho & how they're not flush to the neck. Epi uses Graphtech on some of their cheaper guitars too tho fwiw
@@_dmfd Yeah it’s probably how it was inserted/cut. And afaik Epi uses it on every Les Paul that isn’t bolt-on.
I have a theory Eastman guitars are coming with real pearl inlays too maybe trying to compete at that mid range price point. Both my Eastmans are ebony with real pearl and they look great
I'm not a fan of how they did the Gibson headstock. It is different and it bothers me slightly. But what bothers me most is that the Epiphone logo is so close to the top edge and it has so much room to the bottom. Why couldn't they center vertically a little better?
Im a sucker for the Gibson style headstock.
The earlier Epiphones with the Gibson headstock are at least to scale, the headstock on the Greeny is too small/narrow
A very nice sounding guitar. The in-between sound is classic Peter Green.
Honestly it sounds really great based on this video. The ton really pops out of my speakers.
all tributes sound muted know why
I wonder how the actual sales of all the different versions of greeny have been? I personally am totally sick of greeny, and Kirk tends to have way too many signature models that it’s overkill. Even with ESP… simply too many models to choose from. I still see the Kirk Hammett custom shop flying V re-issues all over the place for sale and even the $20,000 greeny so I guess there’s not really a huge demand. Just my opinion of course how does everyone else feel?
i think everyone should be doing whatever they choose -
my motto i use, is This -
Squier
Freedom Of Expression
Since 1982
plus ,
one never knows when a young guitar player is dreaming of a specific model wether it is a signature model or whatever they are striving to get -
or someone comes back to playing again after 20 years, being somewhere else busy doing everything else .
in my day
none of these options were available and
getting parts or repairs was not very simple where im from -
can you imagine being 15 yrs old
and getting your
Kirk Hammett
Gibson Flying V
as the biggest surprise ever
for Christmas 🎄
??
or you are gonna be turning 12 in a couple of months and you
dream and wish for the
KH SE model ?
and someone pulls through making it happen ..
1500 USD and not even a rosewood fretboard, who is this for??
Kirk Hammet's accountant.
@@Onidragon55hahahahahahaha spot on!!!
EXACTLY!!!
that bridge is different from the normal Epiphones with larger flat-screw heads! That's the first time i saw them use this bridge, so i guess that's a premium? i thought it was an ABR Nashville style, studs but with posts on the body (instead of the real ABR-1 bridge with no posts on the body).
Out of my sample size of 5 guitars..... Sad to say it but epiphone has better QC than Gibson USA. Actually no I'm not sorry, returned a Gibson custom shop les paul that was $7200 and got a PRS for $1200.... Night and day
Definitely doesn't look like you can see the top in the cutaway.. The line you see between the body and binding is binding that hasnt been masked off during painting, you see it on Gibsons and others as well
How about a Randy Rhoads LPC Epiphone?!?
exactly 💯
Facts- Kramer is Gibsons new entry level line.
This Keeps Stratocasters in the entry level arena but moves Les Paul’s out of the entry level and into mid level aspirational guitars for new players to graduate into.
And then into a “real” Gibson. One day, etcetera.
They make some expensive Kramer's too. Look at the Lizzy hale voyager that made in the same factory as and goes for 1.5k
The playing demos are hilarious. Trogly gets my views but there’s no denying he’s a complete goof ball.
It has a nice tone to it. Does it have the 'Greeny" calibur tone? - A gallant try - but no cigar.
It's amazing when an Epiphone LP can cost $15.00.00, Chinese guitars costing that much $ is sort of outrageous.
Inflation
No it’s not inflation at all it’s pure 100% due to greed and because they can and fools pay it so they will
It is, but Chinese guitars shouldn't sound that good either under that mindset.
Clearly you've not heard of Eastman Guitars
@@CR0SSJ
Eastmans are not cheap knockoffs of a Major Brand. They're on a completely different level.
I kinda wish that gibson followed what fender did with the japanese copies and just made em officially licensed products instead of filling a lawsuit back then. It would help with their product stack having the MIJ licensed Gibson's be around the 1000-2000 mark, epiphones would be the under 1000 mark, while usa gibsons would be the above 2000 mark
My 89 has the open book headstock I believe 89 was the first year Epiphone made the Les Paul Customs. Long neck tenon they are pretty decently spec'ed out and can take a beating!
I have a 2000 Japanese exclusive Epiphone LPC 80. Same with the open book headstock and long neck tenon. From my understanding, these came from the same place as the Orville by Gibson guitars. It's the only Epiphone I've played that's on par with Gibsons
1989 Korean made Epis don’t technically have the open book headstock.
That will hold much more value than the "Greeney" and is likely a better made instrument. (It even has REAL Rosewood!)
Definitely hang on to that one!
@@joerobertson795 I’m not sure if it will hold value better than Greeny but these 1989-1990 Korean Epis do sell for quite a bit for some reason. In some cases around $1000. My guess is that used Epi Greenys will be about the same.
@@KevinTheMetalhead They are pumping out the Greeneys by the thousands and every online retailer has them in stock. They are not Custom Shop or Limited Release. There are literally 10's of thousands of them in warehouses in the US. How many MIK Epi Customs are out there with the Gibson headstock that was Only Made for One Year in '89? Yours will hold much more value 10 years from now. Hang onto it Brother.
correct me if Im wrong but the Epiphone les paul headstock angle is not as much as the Gibson either ?
I think that this greenie sounds good. ❤
So since kirk now owns the rarest 59' which is a factory ebony standard, how long until they start rolling out
I totally disagree with bringing the Gibson Nitro finish to Epiphone, it would be a major step backward, the reason I refuse to pay big money for a guitar with a cheap 50s finish that will crack and chip and look terrible in a decade.
... and turn a white guitar yellow, and a blue guitar green.
Some things are best consigned to history as bad ideas that have been superceded with ones fit for purpose. But those "vintage correct" obsessives think it will magically imbue them with more skill.
been watching you for years. your passion has blossomed nicely. i used to love gibson but i cant give up my tele. i bought a brand new gibson 1979 natural custom deluxe, gold plated hardware and three pickups from musicians friend. way too much guitar for me. i gave it to a friend. the price was under 800, shipped to alaska. please do more fenders. be well.
I have a limited edition Epiphone 1959 Les Paul Std in aged Lemon with AAA flame veneer top. It has the Gibson Headstock plus Gibson Burstbucker 2 and 3 Pickups. All in a brown hardcore and pink lining for only £750.
I don’t know why people are raving about the Gibson headstock, ITS AN EFFIN HEADSTOCK!!!!
Exactly! Just another over hyped feature
The open book headstock shape was sonically tuned which is why Epis don't sound the same.
FYI I think Mallory Caps should be considered an upgrade vs Orange Drop
Totally agree with you. If I'm not mistaken, Joe Bonamassa specifies Mallorys in all his Epiphone signature models.
Esp Ltd eclipse and those types of guitars are probably dominating the 1000-1500 single cut market. I'd say gibson realised they need to take some market share there and it would be worth giving epi a boost
Yeah, i'd buy an EC1000 CTM any day of the week over one of these.
I used to be a "brand name" snob, mostly back when I played. Gibson for guitars, Fender for basses. No compromise. (...until I got an Ovation Magnum bass, although it didn't replace the '64 Precision or '68 Tele Bass for the road). I recently bought a used Epi LP Special, just to have a different guitar as I picked up an instrument for the first time in almost 20 years (along with a new Vox modeling amp). I have ZERO negative issues with it, especially for a $100 guitar. One hundred bucks. I got it to do a cheapo P90 swap, but for just around the house through a small amp, the cheap humbuckers are fine. This thing actually plays better than the real deal '73 LP Custom I had. Maybe not as nice as my old Tele, but it sounds like a guitar with humbuckers. Neck and playability are the most important things to me. I literally yesterday spent another hundred and a quarter for an Epi Junior, just because the Special works so well. That one is going to get a P90 regardless. There are so many of these Epiphones and other replicas that they'll never reach true "collector's" status, so as an old guy, just buy a cheap and used thing to customize to preference if it's one that feels right. The Epi Special looked like real tobacco burst online, but is a sparkling shiny ugly black around orange instead of brown around golden ochre like the real deal. I don't want to take it apart again, so it'll stay ugly. It still gives a nasty growl on the third fret G bend on the low E string when transitioning between E to A or vice versa, and that appeals to me, so it stays. The Junior is black on black, so I might strip the face for the refinish if I like it, to make it look more like a real Gibson from my time. I have a '54 ES125 and '59 Melody Maker for face to face reference, and I was a scenic artist after my music days. It'll never be worth more than around (or less than) two hundred bucks anyway, so I could paint it pink with latex and a brush if it plays well. I might even clip the Epi clipped ears on the headstock to do the open book look if the Epi logo isn't too high.... something which really varies with these things. We'll see. I don't need or want an overpriced "endorsed" signature model of anything. I can't see Joe Perry playing a Kirk Hammet or Billy Joe Armstrong signature (or vice versa) after all. Anyone who plays is their own player. As for this one, when you played it, it does sound quite good, so there's that.
i look at this as gibson trying to regain ground from prs se/s2. i personally would consider epiphone more with the gibson headstock. the epiphone one was a no go for me. every other manufacturer has the same or very, very close headstock up and down their lines. about time gibson is following suit.
PRS SE's have real Rosewood @ $600 price point. Indian Laurel @$1500?
Huh...?
@@joerobertson795 Agreed.
Heck, there's a couple sellers on reverb with S2 Mccarty 594s brand new for $1500 or less. American Made, rosewood, nitro, real flame maple top...
@@trevor4533 The Dark Amber Burst one has been on my watch list for over a week.
Tough to pull the trigger @ Christmas on anther guitar though.
@@joerobertson795 Yeah, that's a beautiful finish!
@@trevor4533 It's the same finish as my 594 w/58/15LTs, but it a single cut. I haven't seen it on a 594sc.
I love the one I have and it's a stupid reason to buy another one, but I have a bad habit when it comes to guitars.
that headstock was on my 1995 Ep Les Paul Studio. The only difference is the edges were rounded on mine and are pointed on this one.
Hahaha Trogly’s said he wouldn’t do it, but here we are lol
I agree. Should have done the Gibson bell shaped truss rod cover. Kinda tired of this Gibson cash grab with the whole "Greenie" thing.
Love the show trogly. Just tyerd of the supper hi prices of the epiphone guitars. Epiphone used to be my go to but now for the same money I can get a really nice used gibson guitar.
1:30 - Late 80's was not the first time. Don't forget the Epiphone USA Spirit, SG Special, and Map guitars from around '82.
I can’t fathom wanting to spend gibson money on an epiphone. You can pick up a nitro finished full flavor Gibson for 1200-1400. I have nothing against epiphones. But when they cost as much as a used Gibson I have a super hard time understanding it.
I just picked up a gorgous mint ebony 2017 Gibson SG Standard T w/ohsc for 1000. That’s not a cheapy studio type model, either, that’s the full gloss nitro finish, bound fretboard, trapezoid inlays, a black-dark rosewood fretboard, factory with locking grovers and 7 lbs. for 1000$. This epiphone costs $1700 after tax. You could get a used But mint Gibson SG standard or LP trad pro *plus* a brand new PRS SE mccarty both for the cost of this new poly finished Chinese guitar that says epiphone on the headstock 😂
Not to mention- you can pick up a used 2023 Gibson LP Standard 50/60 for 1800. I sold a 2023 standard 60’s for 1800 a few months ago.
Somebody would have to be completely braindead to pay gibson standard money for a china epiphone.
If anybody buys this i’m gonna be shocked.
I can’t wait to see people trying to sell them used for $1500 in a few months 😂
I still see all the same epiphone IBGCS V’s and SG’s for sale in my area for 5 months now. People have them listed for 1300-1500 and they sit there permanently bcuz only a brain damaged person would pay Gibson money for an Epiphone. I cannot believe that people buy these.
Wait! I get it!!! It’s Zounds. This model wouldn’t exist without Zounds. They should call this the Epiphone inspired by Zounds and pay in 4 Les Paul Greeny.
I agree. But at the same time, I can't think of any Import guitar brands selling new guitars with real nitro for $1500.
I've got an epi 59 and though it arrived with a broken headstock, I repaired it but the greenie is far superior in sound, playability but it is worth it. It's better than my last Gibson. It's awesome.
The 3 screw trust rod cover keeps the guitar honest. That way you have a way to tell its an Epiphone if someone does a switch a roo with the Gibson logo.
The pickup rings give it away as not a Gibson too, the screw hole alignments are not correct on epiphones
Keep in mind, in Canadian funds it’s about $2200 after taxes….. I just used Gibson USA standard will cost you between 1800-2000
$2200 Go to buy a Godin.
@@albertgogo yup, some can get pretty pricey, but there are made here in Canada using Canadian wood and parts.
well i got suckered in by gibson and bought the 3100 buck non aged gibson version, had i known these were coming out id bought this guitar instead. at less than half the price of the gibson. i did turn my bridge pickup around i hated the look and not to fond of the sound either. to each his own i guess. as for the truss rod cover, you gave the reason, im not fond of the allen key truss rod adjustment on the epis, but it works and i can live with that.
The Epi 59 is such a nice guitar and, to me, a nicer looking guitar at a much better price.
Agreed, I have one and I would not swap it for this Greeny
Would love to see the Gary Moore “ stripe “ 59. Model : the guitar he used to record “ Still got the Blues” in one take …..
Sounds and looks great!
Gibson needs to change to Indian rosewood on all their Epiphones, this other stuff just looks like crap. PRS uses Indian rosewood on all their SE models.
LOL, I wish Kirk would have put EMG's in it. People would have been going crazy over that.
Fr. If emg made him a custom out of phase set for it, that would be amazing
@@cheebsgod he could very well be using EMG's in it, and people wouldn't know. Hetfield had custom EMG's made for his original Iron Cross that looked just like aged gold-covered pickups which were EMG's underneath.
so the epiphone 1959 aged dark burst headstock is still not the same gibson open book headstock?
You just dont like Epi's do you....
He’s a Gibson snob
Might have missed it--any mention of the pickups being out of phase?
Yeah, Gibson needs to stop punishing broke-players with a different headstock when they buy an Epiphone.
Fender gives me the real-deal on a Squire.
There’s something odd going on with the sound. I haven’t heard the Greenybuckers in a Gibson, however everything coming from this guitar sounded very compressed and quite thin.
Not sure if it’s the guitar, the pickups or the amp/pedal setup.
For that money.... get a Burny. God bless Trogly
Why do some parts of the video show it without the Les Paul logo on the headstock while in other parts of the video it's there?
If I bought that I would save up for a Murphy Lab aged poker chip. Probably only $300.
For 300 bucks I’m aging it myself 😂
@@TylerJohnstonGuitar Just keep it in your pocket with your loose change for about a month…
@@johnnyxmusic All I gotta do is let my one year old son play with it for a day lmao. He’ll make it look like it went through ‘Nam.
@@TylerJohnstonGuitar Murphy Crib. You might have something there! 🤣😅😇
I'm quite interested in this one . Don't know if it's as good or at least decently appointed but if I could I'd likely get one. All things considered I've got several Epiphones. Two SGs I bought from Trogley a Casino a Trad Pro III a 335 and a EJ200 . I'm pretty satisfied with them as far as price to quality . Most were in the $450 - $ 600 range . The Casino was a little higher but worth its price. The SGs weren't to bad if I remember they were a few hundred or so. I think if Trogley wouldve played Oh Well in its original style aa played by Peter Greene it wouldve given us a but more of why some players like the out of phase.sound.
Yo ! You are sooooooo crazy ! 🤪 Just a few months/years ago you was the one saying Epiphone should raise prices on guitars ( the TV Yellow version comes to mind ) , now you are saying lower the price . LMAO 😂 SMH 🤦🏾♂
I believe in the mid to late 90’s a number of made in Japan Epiphone’s had the open book headstock prior to transitioning to the Orville by Gibson series. Although I could be wrong on the timeline a bit. Good to see them bringing it back this way though.
They did. Awesome guitars.
I'd take a chibson over this.
Salutations Austin!
I think this new Epiphone has a lot of nice features, but why not use rosewood for the fretboard instead of Indian Laurel, after all, they did add mother of pearl inlays, why not go the extra mile and use rosewood or ebony?
I do really like it though, and I would be inclined to upgrade the electronics to include coil splitting, phase switching, and possibly something more, like direct to lead.
I wouldn’t be as discouraged from modifying this particular instrument.
Thank you for reviewing this instrument and posting this video!
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A cult unto itself. If they have to explain it to you, you’ll never understand how to play Albatross. Oh Well.
The epiphone Alex Lifeson 1 has that binding issue like crazy. I should post mine… some of the QC is insanely bad
The recent A.L. model? What are the QC issues?