The fact Who Tee Who has bing bangs that are very close to other ones and still gets them for great information in his videos. Plus like many boo lot fans we want one of each if we can. Thanks WTW for great videos with great information on many different calibers, setups and tools for the trade. Good hunting to you and your fans. 💪🏽💪🏽🎥👍💯🙏🏻
Look up Ron sooner outdoors and also ultimate reloader. They already have videos out on all the info. Gavin with ultimate reloader is actually doing a series on the prcs
Since I handload, I can just stuff a 210 grain bullet in my 300 Win Mag and match the velocities of the PRC, so same trajectory, wind drift, and distance-to-transonic. However, that much bullet in the case means it MAY not be as accurate as the PRC (but it could also be great...the proof is in the shooting). Naturally, if one does not handload, the PRC is the way to go if you want to pop targets in the next zip code.
@@richardfinney3169 have you actually looked at any load data? SAAMI pressure specs for the PRC is only 1,000 PSI greater than the WM (65,000 vs. 64,000), and with many loads, the pressure for the WM is actually higher than for the PRC, so the difference in velocity is minimal. Talking to other long range shooters, the difference in dope between the 300 WM and the PRC at 1,500 yards is negligible. The PRC does have some advantages, as the firearms and actions are built around a bullet seated waaaayyyy out, but a simple throat job on a 300 Win Mag allows the same OAL (granted it won't allow feeding from the magazine). The PRC is primarily for those who want to shoot factory ammo or don't want to have a little gunsmithing done and settle for single shots when engaging targets at long range, but in the real world it is not dramatically better, and ammunition selection and brass is extremely limited compared to the old WinMag.
@@noahmercy-mann4323 yes I shoot the 300 am it's the actual pressure of the load at trying to achieve those ballistics I'm talking about, the big 30 has to much weight versus the amount of powder to case capacity to get there. The prc was designed to get there with better pressures . Trust me the recoil of the 210 grain thirty at those specs is impressive to say the least.
I have a 300 win mag kicks like a mule I don't shoot it much my shoulder doesn't like it ,these days I'm more of a 308 cat ,thanks for the info ,learning a lot from your channel
Nice Video. My brother, father, and I shoot the 300 PRC. It has performed well on whitetails from 50 to 450 yards for us. We shoot the 212 grain Hornaday Precision Hunter. Thanks for the video's. I enjoy them.
Thanks for the Data. It's all out there but I dig how you're diving into some long range stuff. I have competed in 6BR so be careful. That Rabbit Hole is deep.
With my 7mm Rem Mag, i have a close zero at 50 yd, far zero 225 yds this puts my 400 yard drop below line of sight around 4 inches. My objective was to set it up to hold dead center from the muzzle to 400 yds without any dope. Realistically i will probably never take a shot on game beyond 200-300 yds. KISS (Keep it Stupid Simple) nothing to mess up, just breath control and squeeze it off! Love your channel!
Gotta love the data prc are no joke I saw a video comparing 6.5 creedmore vs 6.5 prc at 300yds the prc only 200 fps faster but the prc blew clean holes through the ar500 steel target and the cm barely scratched it👍👍
300 prc is so you don’t need to reload to shoot larger bullets plus it’s designed better chamber more like a competition rifle. You have to reload to get the same bullets in a 300 win mag.
Can't wait to see you break out an energy chart for how many ponies these things have at 1,000 and a mile. I often hear people say "Oh this round is flatter than that round" and I just want to ask them "At what range?" .. you see it in the first graph between the 300WM and the 300PRC. The WM starts out flatter but as the distance gets greater and the PRCs energy retention comes into play, the PRC starts to get flatter. (That energy retention can really be seen in a later graph showing which ones are still supersonic at a mile) Side note. Thank you for including the Outfitter ammo in this test. I hunt close to federal land and often have to cross said federal land when going to deer camp. With the new restrictions on lead bullets I've been looking into using the Outfitter this year.
I agree with you I shoot 300PRC I shot my 1st elk with a 6.5-300 it did the job… but I feel it’s too light on energy for elk. The 300prc has a BC of .77 up to .81 which Is equivalent to BC’s of the 338 lupua mag that higher resistance to be moved stays on target is why I love those 2 calipers. The 6..5-300 for deer! It has less bullet drop and flatter shooting But the BC is half the other 2. Less resistance, easier to move off target. Just thought the 6.5-300 wby is worth mentioning The highest BC is what I look for in long range shooting….
Depends on whether or not you can hit your vitals still. I'm not saying that I can hit vitals personally but I know the 300wsm I have has the fps and fpe to ethically kill an elk out to 900yrds and my hunting buddy can hit a pretty much Center on the 8inx8in target we use (train shackle painted orange) at 1000yrds consistently enough I wouldn't be shocked at all for him to take an 600-800yrd shot even cold bore. However he usually hunts with a muzzleloader or bow anyway because that's more entertaining for him. For most people you're right, but there are still plenty of people out there capable of more than that.
Agree wholeheartedly! This nonsense of shooting at an animal at 600 yards is giving all hunters bad press. The individuals who are actually capable of this type of shot are a tiny, tiny fraction of shooters, way lower than 1%.
Great video! Thanks for all your hard work Adam. Interesting, even though I've never shot at anything over 100 yards or so! Lol! I have friends that shoot long distance though and I am interested in it. Hard to find those kind of shooting distances around here.
Good video. The difference between the 'X' (hunter) and the 'M' (match) is this: The 'X' has more of the weight in the base of the projectile designed for impact and mushroom, whereas the 'M' has more of the weight in the centre of the projectile for longer range and gyro stability. Having said that, I use 212gn X in my 300wm for hunting and these are my stats using SAAMI: 2951fps, 4098ft.lbs, 1.53gyro. At 1000yds: 1023fps, 492ft.lbs and a drop of 441". Zero to 1000yds in 1.8402sec. 63219psi. 99.99% burn rate. I have dropped camels at 500m plus. I'm in Australia. But good comparison.
Excellent video WTW! You just keep getting better and better. One other area that connects this data is the sectional densities of the loads that you've listed together with the velocities achieved in each case. As I am sure you already know you can arrive at the sectional densities by dividing the bullet weights (in grains) by 7,000 and then dividing that answer by the bullet diameter squared. This gives you an apples to apples comparison of the resistance encountered by the propellant for a given projectile weight when bearing surface and jacket (or the bullets themselves, in the case of monolithics) lubricity parameters are very closely correlated. Obviously, this is also closely related to the propellant burn rate and pressure-time curve and expansion ratio, which is simply the ratio of cartridge/chamber volume versus the total gun volume when you factor in the appropriate barrel length volume that is the complement parameter. It's probably somewhat surprising that the 7mm can pretty well keep up with the rest except for the 212 ELD which is where the sectional densities are kicking in! As noted, you are getting more thought provoking all the time. Again, your graphics pointing these attributes out were very nicely done. Keep up the good work and keep your powder dry WTW (humidity when doing load development is a crucial factor)!
Hey Who T…. I have wondered about this question for years. Your probably the only u tuber, that would do a video on this. If you shoot through a fan blade while on ANY speed …. Will the hole be round or longated? Please do this. I’ll supply the fan. Thank you
I have never bought a rifle or caliber because some one said it was good or bad, the rifles I have, I bought because I liked them. I have some calibers like the .300 rcm in the guide gun. Some people don't like this caliber, I love it. I also have a .375 rum, do I need one, mabey not, but I like the gun alot so... to each their own. Thanks for your videos and time!!!
Mr Who Tee Who The time has come - no escape you must do the old clay block & paper plates + milk jugs with all the .300 calibers - you’ll have to beg steal or borrow a 300 Weatherby to make it a full & fair contest 😃 Pete in Australia 🇳🇿🇳🇿
Part 3 challenge for ya. ( I realize it might be March or April or who knows ) Take all 4 of these get a buooo-lot sponsor and head on over to Halfmile and meet him at that long range range. Now it would also be awesome if you had someone also custom load rounds for each rifle and throw this into the mix. Now this could turn into a 4 or 5 video series if you work it out right. So you have different shooters hopefully at least 2 of each rifle and a handful of loads... This would throw even 10x's if not more data at your charts. This might even warrant a 2 hour live in the middle of it all. But this would require a lot of set up, planning and even finding the right person to make custom loads. Example a buddy of mine I loaded with had the same 300win mag as only differences were colors of stocks and about a year apart in manufacturing. We both had different loads to make the same outcome. Just food for thought
I was waiting to see how honest you was going to be about the numbers not saying you're not honest but some people stretch them a little bit if you know what I mean I appreciate that video!
i wanted to get a 300 win mag and just push the rifling forward to fit a longer bullet but then the barrel twist wouldn't be tight enough to spin that bullet so really the Howa 300 prc is going to be my next purchase I hate being tied down to a rare cartridge, but, seems fun as hell!
I always say to myself "if isn't broke,don't fix it", so I been shooting my 300wm with a ultradyne Mercury brake on a Begara lrp 2.0 and let me tell ya.. I'm good 👍 Edit: just realized I've seen 4 of vids today, subbed!
I have the 7mag and 6.5 prc have taken bucks with both and they hit hard.. but not at long range only up to 250 yards.7 mag I’ve used 162 eld x and 145 lrx. The 6.5 prc I’ve only used hammer bullets and it did great. Awesome data u got there
You saying the 7mm don't hit hard at 250? BULLSHIT 😂 Your comparing 2 pretty different rounds. The 7mag and 300 win mag are way "bigger" calipers in how they perform the 7mm and 300 one would confidently shoot a whitetail or big game at 350-650 yards all day. They're tried and true the 7 mag has killed a lot of animals at alot of big distances
U must have read it wrong there!! Taken bucks up to 250 yard only never taken any pass that… I know it hit Fkn hard that’s y I own it!! That may clear the bullshit from the ground for u
I found some 156 grainers for 6.5 CreedMoor...it was a single box of S&B's Soft Points 156 grainers at my local GS, I've never seen anything over 147 grains for 6.5cm...hoping 1/8 twist will stabilize that heavy boolot...if so should be fantastic deer/hog rounds... Should be interesting to see what the CreedMoor will do with the heavier boolot
@@nomad_philosophy yeah they do have a flatter profile on the nose of the bullet, I'll be taking them to the range hopefully tomorrow, we'll see how they do, I'm hoping they group decently, if so then I'll be trying them out on hogs, if they hold a decent group and do well on hogs, then I'll be buying a bunch of these for sure
A very good ethical question is raised here, even nonchalantly. I certainly don't hunt to 1,000 yards. I use public land that is heavily forested. Most times, I am lucky to look through branches as far as 100 yards. Farthest sight line I have ranged for a shot is 225 yards. So, way less than even 750 yards. I feel comfortable with my skill and sight picture to 300 yards, my arbitrary number for the start of long distance. And in most places where I hunt, that is going to be sufficient. In my state, there is also a lottery system to win hunts that are not on your regular game tag. For example, in a high plains canyon state park, they will set it up for compartment hunting of mule deer. That is, you will stay within one area and pretty much shoot in one direction. They tell you in the hunt package that you can expect frozen conditions, rugged camping and hiking. And that you could be making 200 yard shots. So, if your ethics forbids you from shooting past 100 yards, don't sign up for it. Why that far? Turns out that on the high plains and desert there are not a lot of trees to hide in or behind. It also turns out that mule deer get older by being skiddish. So, for the most part, you do not get a mule deer by putting salt on his tail. My round of choice is the .308 W, which is fine for my short to medium range hunting. My particular round is still above 1,000 ft-lbs until almost 500 yards. Very comfortable recoil, 2,800 fps, this barrel is going to last a really long time. And if it does eventually burn out, it is not a hardship to replace it. At 500 yards, I would be dialing 11.3 MOA. These other rounds are great at long distance but they also have higher MV, maybe minimal free bore. The barrel may not last as long. Which is okay if you have other priorities. Of these, it would be tempting to stay with the 7 mm Rem Mag, even over the new gee whiz 7 m m PRC. Though I could see using the 7 PRC for competitions where you are, indeed, trying to take out the x at 1k yards. In which case, consistent drop is most important and you really need to handload. And for that, you have to take the time to match slug weights and charge weights. If those are consistent, your MV will only vary by a few fps. That is what I saw someone else do, not me. Why 7 mm RM? It is as nearly prevalent as .30-06 ammo and rifle choices. My favorite makers already make that. And at least one rifle maker I have bought, Mossberg, is now making the 7 PRC. My only problem with that is the stock for Patriot and Patriot Predator. I think the stock allows movement of the rear of the action, which allows for errors. Assume that if you get one from them, you are immediately putting it in a chassis or some kind of bedded stock. Even a Boyd's with pillar bedding or glass bedding is going to be better.
The Outfiter Hornady loads are leadfree like GMX or newer CX bullets i habe to use here in germany on game. Nice comparison i will go with the 6.5 PRC in the near future. Waidmansheil or good hunting👍🏻
You know they just came out with a 7MM PRC Round! And the case is NOT belted like the 7MM mag or 300 WM! The biggest Difference in ALL the PRC rounds is NOT the Bullet, But the chamber if the respective rifle! ALL of the PRC Rifles come REALLY close to being a MATCH Grade Barrel/Chambers(if not AT whats considered a MATCH Grade Barrel/chamber! I have been reading about the New 7MM PRC round and Just Watched Ron Spoomer go over that round. Sounds like a GREAT Round! And according to Mr. Spoomer this Rounds RULES them ALL!
Adam, why don't you use G7 drag function BCs instead of G1. True, there's no big difference in supersonic range between these two, but still G7 is more precise. Keep up good work!👍💯
Adam lets us know how the Howa preforms .Will you be getting a Boyds stock for it? I will be Deer hunting next weekend . My choices are 3006 or the 7mmMag both are in a Howa 1500 . Action with Boyds stocks.
I would add Alaska hunting I was amazed how far hunting took place with not enough time to get close. My guns were set at a 200 yd zero so not a total o but I did get 1 carabou .
Long time listener, first time commenter…. but would love to see ya get your hands on a 6.5prc bing bang. I have heard some pressure issues with guns chambered in it and just wonder if these are more so one offs. Love the vids and man you do a ton of work for us. Keep it up sir!
@@tec9944 308 and 30-06 are Capable of shooting out to 1000 past that I’m sure they’re gonna peter out and the seven mags gonna go probably a little further but then again they all three my Peter out but they do have a new kid on the block 7 mm PRC
@@Wickedtrucker75 the 308 and 30-06 are not 1,000 yard guns, not even close. They're going to peter out anything out past 450. The 7 mag and 300 and double the gun of them both, esp the 30-06. Go to a precision match or long range hunt and see how many people are using a 308 or 30-06. The 7 mag and 300 are 2 of your top contenders and are of the more "serious" caliber. All your big guides and pros are gonna have 7 mags and 300s or even 338s which is in even another league. The 7mm prc isn't going to be nothing drastically different. Yes a hair better but not much. I personally own the 6.5 and 300 prc and load for them both and I can do about what they'll do with a good load with your typical 7 or 300 or even 7 short. But overall it's common long range knowledge the 30-06 and 308 are in a much "lower" category than the 7 mag or 300. The 2 don't even compare to there much better shooting big brothers.
@@Wickedtrucker75 and as far as knockdown power yes they do have that but out past 400ish mehhhhhh. 30-06 and 308 are almost looked at as like a 30-30 now just brush guns compared to others really.
@@Wickedtrucker75 even go on RUclips and watch your big game hunters that are out there living eating and breathing hunting, from wolf to moose and bear elk etc, not one of them are hardly using a 30-06 and maybe very few running 308s 99% of those guys that do it that much are running 7 mags or 300s but the 30-06 and 08 are definitely legendary in their own way, they just don't compete when you got to make them shots across big revenes,hollows, ridge to ridge etc.
I just come across this video and subscribed. I am in the market for a new rifle. I am leaning towards the 300 PRC, but I am also looking at data for the 7 PRC and the 28 Nosler. Any suggestions between those 3? I really like the performance of the 28 Nosler, but I really don't want to go through barrels, as I actually intend to shoot it often.
Off topic, but i was just watch your old video of 357 and 44 mag vs drywall and tried and tried and tried to find a 500 vs drywall of yours. Not sure if it exists, but if not, I'd love to see you do a video of maybe a 460 and 500 magnum vs drywall and maybe throw in a 45-70 govt in the mix
I been curious about the 6.5 PRC because I'd like to have a light hunting rifle that doesn't kick any harder than a 270 basically same specs between the rifles but at distance it should out perform a 270
Hey WhoTee I messaged you a while back about that mossberg patriot and your response really helped me out I ended up with a barreled action Howa in 300 PRC and built a wood stock by hand it’s awesomely accurate. I would love to some how share the pics of this build and see what you think.
I just check the safe for bull lots. I have 2 boxes Hornaday precision hunter 30-378 220 gr ELD-X. Yes 220 grain I still have case of Sierra 30 Cal. 308 DIA 240 gr match king HPBT. Just for shooting steel at 500 or 1000 only the match king for steel. The Hornady 220 gr. Long range big game hunting
Well I like a 30 06 it has not let me down 400 yards no problem. A freind of mind used it to take down a bear with one shot . I have taken a deer at 450 yards with no problem.
Comparing drop on significantly different bullet weights is not a fair comparison. It's true that the PRC drops less than the 300 WM and the 7mm, but the bullet is significantly heavier, meaning at that same 1000 yards it will deliver more energy.
The 300 Win mag is now a military sniper round.Just been adopted by the Navy.The figures shown would be more helpful for military snipers as opposed for hunters.
300wm has been used by the US military for a long time,,,,, just not talked about like the bigger calibers,,,,a lot of times when the term .308 is used it could have meant .308,.30/06,,or .300WM,,,, same bullet.
I have the 300 Remington ultra mag Personally I prefer it over the 300 prc I thought in one of your other videos you had the 300 ultra mag If so do aside by side comparison between the 300 Rome and the 300 PRC That would be awesome
Build a 300 win mag with 28" krieger barrel 1-10twist 225eld match bullet shoots .35" 5shot groups exstreme spread 11f/s TPL=95.7mm 71.4gn N560 CCI250 primers norma brass at 2853 f/s no pressure signs.I think a custom build 7mm rem mag with the 180gn eld match will be a winner.
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The fact Who Tee Who has bing bangs that are very close to other ones and still gets them for great information in his videos. Plus like many boo lot fans we want one of each if we can. Thanks WTW for great videos with great information on many different calibers, setups and tools for the trade. Good hunting to you and your fans. 💪🏽💪🏽🎥👍💯🙏🏻
You'll need to get the 7mm prc now that it's out to do a comparison with these rifles
@@anthonyarcher7268 uh.... wut?
7 mm prc will be in the stores soon. Can’t wait to see the numbers on that. Great video who tee who.👍
will be negligible to what the 7mag in lighter rounds brings. No more wildcats out there really. Maybe the 6.5.
Look up Ron sooner outdoors and also ultimate reloader. They already have videos out on all the info. Gavin with ultimate reloader is actually doing a series on the prcs
It will be interesting to see what 7mm PRC will be capable of (both theoretical and practical).
Still not as good as the 27 nosler
Just picked up my first 7mm rem mag. Loooove it. Was a hard choice between it and the 300 win mag but my goodness what an amazing versatile round
I have many rifles in both calibers and the 7 rem mag is a great caliber and if you reload one of the very best!
Since I handload, I can just stuff a 210 grain bullet in my 300 Win Mag and match the velocities of the PRC, so same trajectory, wind drift, and distance-to-transonic. However, that much bullet in the case means it MAY not be as accurate as the PRC (but it could also be great...the proof is in the shooting). Naturally, if one does not handload, the PRC is the way to go if you want to pop targets in the next zip code.
Doesn't work out that way because of pressures.
@@richardfinney3169 have you actually looked at any load data? SAAMI pressure specs for the PRC is only 1,000 PSI greater than the WM (65,000 vs. 64,000), and with many loads, the pressure for the WM is actually higher than for the PRC, so the difference in velocity is minimal. Talking to other long range shooters, the difference in dope between the 300 WM and the PRC at 1,500 yards is negligible. The PRC does have some advantages, as the firearms and actions are built around a bullet seated waaaayyyy out, but a simple throat job on a 300 Win Mag allows the same OAL (granted it won't allow feeding from the magazine). The PRC is primarily for those who want to shoot factory ammo or don't want to have a little gunsmithing done and settle for single shots when engaging targets at long range, but in the real world it is not dramatically better, and ammunition selection and brass is extremely limited compared to the old WinMag.
@@noahmercy-mann4323 yes I shoot the 300 am it's the actual pressure of the load at trying to achieve those ballistics I'm talking about, the big 30 has to much weight versus the amount of powder to case capacity to get there. The prc was designed to get there with better pressures . Trust me the recoil of the 210 grain thirty at those specs is impressive to say the least.
I have a 300 win mag kicks like a mule I don't shoot it much my shoulder doesn't like it ,these days I'm more of a 308 cat ,thanks for the info ,learning a lot from your channel
With a custom barrel the wm mag can be equal to the prc in every way but custom cost money...
Nice Video.
My brother, father, and I shoot the 300 PRC. It has performed well on whitetails from 50 to 450 yards for us. We shoot the 212 grain Hornaday Precision Hunter. Thanks for the video's. I enjoy them.
And that my friends was some great WTW science.. simple man with simple words.. Thanks for the weekend info
Love to see 7 PRC V. 300 PRC. Great video!
I shot those same 6.5 prc rounds out of my friend rifle a few days ago its an awesome round!
Just did a review on my 300 prc and I love it great cartridge
Thanks for the Data. It's all out there but I dig how you're diving into some long range stuff. I have competed in 6BR so be careful. That Rabbit Hole is deep.
With my 7mm Rem Mag, i have a close zero at 50 yd, far zero 225 yds this puts my 400 yard drop below line of sight around 4 inches. My objective was to set it up to hold dead center from the muzzle to 400 yds without any dope. Realistically i will probably never take a shot on game beyond 200-300 yds. KISS (Keep it Stupid Simple) nothing to mess up, just breath control and squeeze it off! Love your channel!
What? Zero at 200 and be done...I shoot same and never worry. about to go grocery shopping and not worry again.
Gotta love the data prc are no joke I saw a video comparing 6.5 creedmore vs 6.5 prc at 300yds the prc only 200 fps faster but the prc blew clean holes through the ar500 steel target and the cm barely scratched it👍👍
very enlightening thanks for all the work ya did on this one.
Looking forward to you testing the 7mm PRC!
Thanks much! I've been looking HARD at the 6.5 PRC.
Have a Bergara b14 hmr in 6.5 prc and it is a fine cartridge.
I like your style. Good job and thank you.
300 prc is so you don’t need to reload to shoot larger bullets plus it’s designed better chamber more like a competition rifle. You have to reload to get the same bullets in a 300 win mag.
Good info dude thanks I will have to put the 300 prc on my to buy list
Check out the 7mm PRC first... look on here for the backfire video and the legend Ron Spomer covered it too...
I’ll be praying for you to get more gigs so you can keep bringing us this excellent gun nerd content!!!!
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Can't wait to see you break out an energy chart for how many ponies these things have at 1,000 and a mile.
I often hear people say "Oh this round is flatter than that round" and I just want to ask them "At what range?" .. you see it in the first graph between the 300WM and the 300PRC. The WM starts out flatter but as the distance gets greater and the PRCs energy retention comes into play, the PRC starts to get flatter. (That energy retention can really be seen in a later graph showing which ones are still supersonic at a mile)
Side note. Thank you for including the Outfitter ammo in this test. I hunt close to federal land and often have to cross said federal land when going to deer camp. With the new restrictions on lead bullets I've been looking into using the Outfitter this year.
Great vid WTW. Good data and research. You need to get a 6.5 PRC too. Can't wait for the next vid showing the muzzle energy and muzzle velocity.
3/504 Blue devil here. you?
@@Devil3R 4/325 AIR Gold Falcon
Love the comparison!
I agree with you I shoot 300PRC
I shot my 1st elk with a 6.5-300 it did the job… but I feel it’s too light on energy for elk. The 300prc has a BC of .77 up to .81 which Is equivalent to BC’s of the 338 lupua mag that higher resistance to be moved stays on target is why I love those 2 calipers. The 6..5-300 for deer! It has less bullet drop and flatter shooting
But the BC is half the other 2. Less resistance, easier to move off target.
Just thought the 6.5-300 wby is worth mentioning
The highest BC is what I look for in long range shooting….
Love the content. I sure wish you would have included the 7mm PRC.
We are no longer talking about hunting when you past 450..yards....
Depends on whether or not you can hit your vitals still. I'm not saying that I can hit vitals personally but I know the 300wsm I have has the fps and fpe to ethically kill an elk out to 900yrds and my hunting buddy can hit a pretty much Center on the 8inx8in target we use (train shackle painted orange) at 1000yrds consistently enough I wouldn't be shocked at all for him to take an 600-800yrd shot even cold bore. However he usually hunts with a muzzleloader or bow anyway because that's more entertaining for him.
For most people you're right, but there are still plenty of people out there capable of more than that.
Agree wholeheartedly! This nonsense of shooting at an animal at 600 yards is giving all hunters bad press. The individuals who are actually capable of this type of shot are a tiny, tiny fraction of shooters, way lower than 1%.
Spraying and praying,,, you have great videos
Thanks for watching!
This is a great video, thanks for going through all the work and putting it out so nicely, answered my question wonderfully thanks
Wow you really do read every comment, and this video is from 2 months ago thank you your dedication is incredible
Great video! Thanks for all your hard work Adam. Interesting, even though I've never shot at anything over 100 yards or so! Lol! I have friends that shoot long distance though and I am interested in it. Hard to find those kind of shooting distances around here.
Good video. The difference between the 'X' (hunter) and the 'M' (match) is this: The 'X' has more of the weight in the base of the projectile designed for impact and mushroom, whereas the 'M' has more of the weight in the centre of the projectile for longer range and gyro stability. Having said that, I use 212gn X in my 300wm for hunting and these are my stats using SAAMI: 2951fps, 4098ft.lbs, 1.53gyro. At 1000yds: 1023fps, 492ft.lbs and a drop of 441". Zero to 1000yds in 1.8402sec. 63219psi. 99.99% burn rate. I have dropped camels at 500m plus. I'm in Australia. But good comparison.
Excellent video WTW!
You just keep getting better and better.
One other area that connects this data is the sectional densities of the loads that you've listed together with the velocities achieved in each case. As I am sure you already know you can arrive at the sectional densities by dividing the bullet weights (in grains) by 7,000 and then dividing that answer by the bullet diameter squared. This gives you an apples to apples comparison of the resistance encountered by the propellant for a given projectile weight when bearing surface and jacket (or the bullets themselves, in the case of monolithics) lubricity parameters are very closely correlated. Obviously, this is also closely related to the propellant burn rate and pressure-time curve and expansion ratio, which is simply the ratio of cartridge/chamber volume versus the total gun volume when you factor in the appropriate barrel length volume that is the complement parameter. It's probably somewhat surprising that the 7mm can pretty well keep up with the rest except for the 212 ELD which is where the sectional densities are kicking in! As noted, you are getting more thought provoking all the time. Again, your graphics pointing these attributes out were very nicely done. Keep up the good work and keep your powder dry WTW (humidity when doing load development is a crucial factor)!
Hey Who T…. I have wondered about this question for years. Your probably the only u tuber, that would do a video on this. If you shoot through a fan blade while on ANY speed …. Will the hole be round or longated? Please do this. I’ll supply the fan. Thank you
I have never bought a rifle or caliber because some one said it was good or bad, the rifles I have, I bought because I liked them. I have some calibers like the .300 rcm in the guide gun. Some people don't like this caliber, I love it. I also have a .375 rum, do I need one, mabey not, but I like the gun alot so... to each their own. Thanks for your videos and time!!!
In Canada, we have a plethora of ammunition availability in 300 PRC, but unfortunately the cost of rifles and ammo for that matter are quite high!
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The time has come - no escape you must do the old clay block & paper plates + milk jugs with all the .300 calibers - you’ll have to beg steal or borrow a 300 Weatherby to make it a full & fair contest 😃
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Your opening music to the videos are the same as Ron Spomer Outdoors! But then again, you guys are bud's!
Love the video! Next up… 7mm PRC
Such a great community of bullet and ballistic nerds…
Part 3 challenge for ya. ( I realize it might be March or April or who knows )
Take all 4 of these get a buooo-lot sponsor and head on over to Halfmile and meet him at that long range range.
Now it would also be awesome if you had someone also custom load rounds for each rifle and throw this into the mix.
Now this could turn into a 4 or 5 video series if you work it out right.
So you have different shooters hopefully at least 2 of each rifle and a handful of loads...
This would throw even 10x's if not more data at your charts.
This might even warrant a 2 hour live in the middle of it all.
But this would require a lot of set up, planning and even finding the right person to make custom loads.
Example a buddy of mine I loaded with had the same 300win mag as only differences were colors of stocks and about a year apart in manufacturing.
We both had different loads to make the same outcome.
Just food for thought
I was waiting to see how honest you was going to be about the numbers not saying you're not honest but some people stretch them a little bit if you know what I mean I appreciate that video!
I always keep it real
always look forward for your vids. very educational. good luck, always
Appreciate you watching Roy
That’s why I have a scope - 1 shot all we need
i wanted to get a 300 win mag and just push the rifling forward to fit a longer bullet
but then the barrel twist wouldn't be tight enough to spin that bullet
so really the Howa 300 prc is going to be my next purchase
I hate being tied down to a rare cartridge, but, seems fun as hell!
I always say to myself "if isn't broke,don't fix it", so I been shooting my 300wm with a ultradyne Mercury brake on a Begara lrp 2.0 and let me tell ya.. I'm good 👍 Edit: just realized I've seen 4 of vids today, subbed!
I have the 7mag and 6.5 prc have taken bucks with both and they hit hard.. but not at long range only up to 250 yards.7 mag I’ve used 162 eld x and 145 lrx. The 6.5 prc I’ve only used hammer bullets and it did great. Awesome data u got there
You saying the 7mm don't hit hard at 250? BULLSHIT 😂 Your comparing 2 pretty different rounds. The 7mag and 300 win mag are way "bigger" calipers in how they perform the 7mm and 300 one would confidently shoot a whitetail or big game at 350-650 yards all day. They're tried and true the 7 mag has killed a lot of animals at alot of big distances
U must have read it wrong there!! Taken bucks up to 250 yard only never taken any pass that… I know it hit Fkn hard that’s y I own it!! That may clear the bullshit from the ground for u
That was super helpful, thanks!
Great video so In a nutshell the prc is better only after 1500 yards and if u don’t do handloads and less recoil
I found some 156 grainers for 6.5 CreedMoor...it was a single box of S&B's Soft Points 156 grainers at my local GS, I've never seen anything over 147 grains for 6.5cm...hoping 1/8 twist will stabilize that heavy boolot...if so should be fantastic deer/hog rounds... Should be interesting to see what the CreedMoor will do with the heavier boolot
They will definitely stabilize because they're soft points and probably have a fatter profile.
@@nomad_philosophy yeah they do have a flatter profile on the nose of the bullet, I'll be taking them to the range hopefully tomorrow, we'll see how they do, I'm hoping they group decently, if so then I'll be trying them out on hogs, if they hold a decent group and do well on hogs, then I'll be buying a bunch of these for sure
A very good ethical question is raised here, even nonchalantly. I certainly don't hunt to 1,000 yards. I use public land that is heavily forested. Most times, I am lucky to look through branches as far as 100 yards. Farthest sight line I have ranged for a shot is 225 yards. So, way less than even 750 yards. I feel comfortable with my skill and sight picture to 300 yards, my arbitrary number for the start of long distance. And in most places where I hunt, that is going to be sufficient.
In my state, there is also a lottery system to win hunts that are not on your regular game tag. For example, in a high plains canyon state park, they will set it up for compartment hunting of mule deer. That is, you will stay within one area and pretty much shoot in one direction. They tell you in the hunt package that you can expect frozen conditions, rugged camping and hiking. And that you could be making 200 yard shots. So, if your ethics forbids you from shooting past 100 yards, don't sign up for it. Why that far? Turns out that on the high plains and desert there are not a lot of trees to hide in or behind. It also turns out that mule deer get older by being skiddish. So, for the most part, you do not get a mule deer by putting salt on his tail.
My round of choice is the .308 W, which is fine for my short to medium range hunting. My particular round is still above 1,000 ft-lbs until almost 500 yards. Very comfortable recoil, 2,800 fps, this barrel is going to last a really long time. And if it does eventually burn out, it is not a hardship to replace it. At 500 yards, I would be dialing 11.3 MOA.
These other rounds are great at long distance but they also have higher MV, maybe minimal free bore. The barrel may not last as long. Which is okay if you have other priorities. Of these, it would be tempting to stay with the 7 mm Rem Mag, even over the new gee whiz 7 m m PRC. Though I could see using the 7 PRC for competitions where you are, indeed, trying to take out the x at 1k yards. In which case, consistent drop is most important and you really need to handload. And for that, you have to take the time to match slug weights and charge weights. If those are consistent, your MV will only vary by a few fps. That is what I saw someone else do, not me. Why 7 mm RM? It is as nearly prevalent as .30-06 ammo and rifle choices. My favorite makers already make that. And at least one rifle maker I have bought, Mossberg, is now making the 7 PRC. My only problem with that is the stock for Patriot and Patriot Predator. I think the stock allows movement of the rear of the action, which allows for errors. Assume that if you get one from them, you are immediately putting it in a chassis or some kind of bedded stock. Even a Boyd's with pillar bedding or glass bedding is going to be better.
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the outfitter line is loaded with the lead free CX monolithic bullets so all you can use in some states
The Outfiter Hornady loads are leadfree like GMX or newer CX bullets i habe to use here in germany on game. Nice comparison i will go with the 6.5 PRC in the near future. Waidmansheil or good hunting👍🏻
Show the new! Hootie Who! Got a 7mm, not swapping ships. But nice to lookie.
You know they just came out with a 7MM PRC Round! And the case is NOT belted like the 7MM mag or 300 WM! The biggest Difference in ALL the PRC rounds is NOT the Bullet, But the chamber if the respective rifle! ALL of the PRC Rifles come REALLY close to being a MATCH Grade Barrel/Chambers(if not AT whats considered a MATCH Grade Barrel/chamber! I have been reading about the New 7MM PRC round and Just Watched Ron Spoomer go over that round. Sounds like a GREAT Round! And according to Mr. Spoomer this Rounds RULES them ALL!
No way that sounds awesome
Adam, why don't you use G7 drag function BCs instead of G1. True, there's no big difference in supersonic range between these two, but still G7 is more precise. Keep up good work!👍💯
Adam lets us know how the Howa preforms .Will you be getting a Boyds stock for it? I will be Deer hunting next weekend . My choices are 3006 or the 7mmMag both are in a Howa 1500 . Action with Boyds stocks.
I would add Alaska hunting I was amazed how far hunting took place with not enough time to get close. My guns were set at a 200 yd zero so not a total o but I did get 1 carabou .
Lots bang and bling there!
I just bought a 300 PRC. Haven't shot it yet. Bergara Highlander Premier
Math and spreadsheets, my kind of video! Have you taken a look at the 7mm PRC yet?
Long time listener, first time commenter…. but would love to see ya get your hands on a 6.5prc bing bang.
I have heard some pressure issues with guns chambered in it and just wonder if these are more so one offs.
Love the vids and man you do a ton of work for us. Keep it up sir!
Working on that as we speak. Appreciate you watching
Great info mate
Cheers
Rob
Cheers
I would love to see 308 vs 30-06 vs 7mm rem mag drop charts
Your kidding I hope!! the 308 and 30-06 are way outdone by the 7mm mag and 300. The 08 and 06 are not very good past 300ish yards
@@tec9944 308 and 30-06 are Capable of shooting out to 1000 past that I’m sure they’re gonna peter out and the seven mags gonna go probably a little further but then again they all three my Peter out but they do have a new kid on the block 7 mm PRC
@@Wickedtrucker75 the 308 and 30-06 are not 1,000 yard guns, not even close. They're going to peter out anything out past 450. The 7 mag and 300 and double the gun of them both, esp the 30-06. Go to a precision match or long range hunt and see how many people are using a 308 or 30-06. The 7 mag and 300 are 2 of your top contenders and are of the more "serious" caliber. All your big guides and pros are gonna have 7 mags and 300s or even 338s which is in even another league. The 7mm prc isn't going to be nothing drastically different. Yes a hair better but not much. I personally own the 6.5 and 300 prc and load for them both and I can do about what they'll do with a good load with your typical 7 or 300 or even 7 short. But overall it's common long range knowledge the 30-06 and 308 are in a much "lower" category than the 7 mag or 300. The 2 don't even compare to there much better shooting big brothers.
@@Wickedtrucker75 and as far as knockdown power yes they do have that but out past 400ish mehhhhhh. 30-06 and 308 are almost looked at as like a 30-30 now just brush guns compared to others really.
@@Wickedtrucker75 even go on RUclips and watch your big game hunters that are out there living eating and breathing hunting, from wolf to moose and bear elk etc, not one of them are hardly using a 30-06 and maybe very few running 308s 99% of those guys that do it that much are running 7 mags or 300s but the 30-06 and 08 are definitely legendary in their own way, they just don't compete when you got to make them shots across big revenes,hollows, ridge to ridge etc.
Good Video. The new 7mm PRC 175 gr is the kick-ass bullet after 400 yards! Check it out!
PRC vs RUM that is probably a close comparison
I just come across this video and subscribed. I am in the market for a new rifle. I am leaning towards the 300 PRC, but I am also looking at data for the 7 PRC and the 28 Nosler. Any suggestions between those 3? I really like the performance of the 28 Nosler, but I really don't want to go through barrels, as I actually intend to shoot it often.
Off topic, but i was just watch your old video of 357 and 44 mag vs drywall and tried and tried and tried to find a 500 vs drywall of yours. Not sure if it exists, but if not, I'd love to see you do a video of maybe a 460 and 500 magnum vs drywall and maybe throw in a 45-70 govt in the mix
Agreed, at 750 yards you're no longer hunting
I been curious about the 6.5 PRC because I'd like to have a light hunting rifle that doesn't kick any harder than a 270 basically same specs between the rifles but at distance it should out perform a 270
I swapped from .270 to the 6.5 prc. At regular hunting distances the trajectory is the almost identical. Energy is where the prc outshines the .270.
Good information and video.
Hey WhoTee I messaged you a while back about that mossberg patriot and your response really helped me out I ended up with a barreled action Howa in 300 PRC and built a wood stock by hand it’s awesomely accurate. I would love to some how share the pics of this build and see what you think.
I bought that same 300 prc! Like 6 months ago. I cannot find a stock to fit it
@@WHOTEEWHO do you have a way I can send a pic how mine turned out?
The 6.5 & 7mm PRC maybe the rounds of the future BUT when you look at the price of the Rifles and ammo in these PRC class ..I may be wrong !!
Very interesting, but honestly I'd be more interested in windage and energy comparisons.
And he said that video is coming.
Good job
I just check the safe for bull lots. I have 2 boxes Hornaday precision hunter 30-378 220 gr ELD-X. Yes 220 grain
I still have case of Sierra 30 Cal. 308 DIA 240 gr match king HPBT. Just for shooting steel at 500 or 1000 only the match king for steel. The Hornady 220 gr. Long range big game hunting
Well I like a 30 06 it has not let me down 400 yards no problem. A freind of mind used it to take down a bear with one shot . I have taken a deer at 450 yards with no problem.
I have been looking to buy another bang bang and I have been debating with myself 300 win mag 300 PRC 65 PRC
6.5 PRC 🤔 I thought it was my new favorite. still like the 300wm or anything in 30 caliber family.
I would choose the 300 Norma Magnum over 300 PRC
Great and fun video
Great information
Need to get the 7mm prc next man
Thank you for your comments about taking unethical shots.
Thanks for watching Jim
another thought if aa sniper was to engage a target a mile or more away-they will use the 338Lapua or a 50BMG as opposed to 308 or 300Win mag.
This is why the only new one that is tempting is the 7prc to replace my 7mmRM
Greetings Who_Tee_Who : Please display a comparison between the 6.5 PRC, 7 PRC, and 300 PRC Caliber Rounds…👍🏽
👍 some expensive ammo right there lol
Excellent 👍 video
Comparing drop on significantly different bullet weights is not a fair comparison. It's true that the PRC drops less than the 300 WM and the 7mm, but the bullet is significantly heavier, meaning at that same 1000 yards it will deliver more energy.
The 300 Win mag is now a military sniper round.Just been adopted by the Navy.The figures shown would be more helpful for military snipers as opposed for hunters.
300wm has been used by the US military for a long time,,,,, just not talked about like the bigger calibers,,,,a lot of times when the term .308 is used it could have meant .308,.30/06,,or .300WM,,,, same bullet.
Thank you 😊
I would love to see some numbers on a 30-378. And 7STW.
Going to have to add the new 7 prc to this list
Yup
Have them all be at the same grain and that do a comparison between 300 wm and 300 prc
Need to balance the drop with the energy as you say!
Yup
Off topic. Have you ever tried armscor 308 150gr?
I have the 300 Remington ultra mag Personally I prefer it over the 300 prc I thought in one of your other videos you had the 300 ultra mag If so do aside by side comparison between the 300 Rome and the 300 PRC That would be awesome
Build a 300 win mag with 28" krieger barrel 1-10twist 225eld match bullet shoots .35" 5shot groups exstreme spread 11f/s TPL=95.7mm 71.4gn N560 CCI250 primers norma brass at 2853 f/s no pressure signs.I think a custom build 7mm rem mag with the 180gn eld match will be a winner.
what do you think about the 28 Nosler as far as distance and energy out to 1000 yds