You never had Christianity. But now you do, because of divine reasons beyond your understanding. But you will understand eventually, if you will earn the understanding, via holy obedience... Sadly though people today are fixated on repentance and have simply put aside the necessity of Orthodox Baptism, they have dichotomized the two when really they are both vital to one another... So if you're in the Church coming from heterodoxy, never being Orthodox before, and then got received without Orthodox Baptism, sorry you still do not have Christianity. And I will be stoned over and over for saying this to people, but where there is truth there is also love and concern for the brother. Judge by the fruits. What are the fruits of those who reduce Orthodoxy to a pietism and strip it of sacramental tradition, do those people represent Christ-likeness? No, Christ upset people, challenged their peace of mind with the Cross, demanded a difficult mode of obedience. And true baptism is a cross which some in their hearts do not really want to accept because of the fear of death instilled inside by the spirit of Antichrist. They want Christ without violence, this is not possible. Anyway don't be fooled like millions out there today joining the Church and thinking they have arrived at the truth, there is yet another war to fight before you are at a stable union with Christ. These are times of MASS APOSTASY.
I also came back to the Church in large parte due to Guenon. (Humanly speaking, of course). Guenon indeed provided me some of the tools to understand Patristics and the Scriptures. Of course, these tools are incomplete, but still were very useful. Of course, over the years I have come to reject the idea of one mountain, multiple paths and the more I go deeper into the Christian faith, the more I see how and why Christ is the only Path. Still, just like Fr. Seraphim R. before me, I still recognize Guenon's role in my early formation and I remember those years with fondness
"Even if our writings had on the average no other result than the restitution, for some, of the saving barque that is prayer, we would owe it to God to consider ourselves profoundly satisfied." ~F. Schuon
Thank you for the great presentation, Father Peter. Prior to coming back to the Church I considered myself a perennialist. The two are truly irreconcilable and its very important others know this.
The scary thing about Perennialism is its reliance upon the metaphysics of the Hindu Advaita Vedanta darshan. The result of this is Swami Ramdas (regarded Schuon as a "prince among saints") stated that "If a human being is illumined [i.e., realized the Self], there is no difference between him and Jesus" (World of God). The Perennialists, if they were honest, would rewrite the Nicene creed to say that not only is Jesus Christ one in essence with the Father, but all men are one with the Father in essence. This is why Ramdas says in his "Religion - Its Universality" that, "To know or attain God through Christ means to become Christ himself in his pure and glorious life - to possess his heart of infinite love for all mankind".
1:01:10 the point made here is why we have to be so watchful and why subtleties matter. They might not outright ask us to deny Christ, but they they will push us to acknowledge all beliefs and practices to be equal, or to accept a Christ made in their perennial image.
Father Peter, thank you very much for the insightful lecture. Please consider if possible at all a bit earlier live streams to accomodate UK/EU timezones, or offering a once a month or every two months an EU time zone lecture. We very much appreciate you wisdom and teachings.
@@pah9730Oh good. I’ve been told many contradictory things of release, acceptance then reverse by ROCOR. I don’t want to pry. I love your teaching and been praying for you because of those contradictory things. There’s apparently a lot of misinformation out there. Thank you again for all you do. I’m a new convert to EO. Was a Protestant of 24 years.
54:57 that quote from an archbishop is sickening. Sounds like new age or a politician. The reality of Christ being the only WAY does not mean we think we’re better than others, or that God doesn’t love all people. And anyone who does even a surface level assessment of various religions will see how incompatible many are with each other. It can’t all be true. Curious how perennialism relates to the B’Hai faith. Sounds similar with its universalist language.
B'Hai is a globalist religion and the Tower of Babel was the first globalist monument. How people can't see this satanic philosophy for what it is, is beyond me.
René Guénon spoke of a future counter-initiation and the Anti-Christ; the Kali Yuga. What strikes me to be diffrent is this idea of Utopia in the form of an esoteric unity.
1:36:05 Sorry for all the comments, per usual there’s so much meat in this talk. Do you have any quotes or resources for what you were describing about Cardinal Newman (disdain for Orthodox)? That might be helpful to some RC who don’t realize that about him and have more of a positive/brotherly attitude towards Orthodox (which they attribute to the more contemporary ecumenical stance of the RC church).
Good evening Fr. Peers, brothers and sisters, I benefitted a lot from this channel so first of all thank you for all the quality content, however I respectfully disagree with some of the considerations taken along this video. The intellect (nous) is supra-rational. We can know the truth because we are the truth. "The kingdom of God is within you." It gets backs to epistemology, how do we know that Orthodoxy is the only truth ? Or even that Christ is truth ? The truth is written in the substance of our spirit, as Schuon puts it. Therefore when we witness Christ through the Scriptures, the sacraments, inner prayer, or even a movie, we can know the truth because we are the truth. This sacred fonction of intelligence is central to islam and traditional Christianity (gnosis is not gnosticism) but in modern Christianity it is less spoken about, like we would need a historical proof for a religion, and end up doing a PhD in archeology to find out if Christ really died and resurected, but history is based upon testimony like religion anyway. So if we look for the truth outside of ourselves, we would become a scienticist, objectivist, if we deny the sacredness of intelligence. Eschatologically speaking, perennialism partakes in the spirit of the times, which is not necessarily satanic or antitraditional, as the hadith goes "Don't curse time, for Allah is the time". A spiritual ecumenism is what will counter the real Antichristian ideologies : zionism, wahhabism, transhumanism, wordly ecumenism, Lgbt, etc. All traditions have signs for the antichrist and end times, but with different names. And God knows best.
NO! Absolutely NOT. That is not the Orthodox Way. You read the Scriptures WITH the Church Fathers. They are your guide. You need a guide. Everyone needs a guide. The Ethiopian Eunuch needed a guide.
Reading The Scripture without The Church Fathers is like trying to make your way through a maze while blindfolded. Which shows why so many Protestants get lost within that maze.
@@LASTDAYSWATCHMAN777 They did not disagree on any of the major points of theology or salvation, whereas The Protestant Reformers disagreed about every single core "tenet" of Protestantism. When you say "The Bible is not enough?" In short, no. It absolutely is not. The Church is enough and The Church is all that is needed for our salvation. We are saved by Grace, which is recieved through the ongoing life of The Church, we are not saved by words. It is important to understand the historical context of Holy Scripture, as being an aspect of Church Tradition, and was only canonized many centuries after Christ. Was it necessary for all those Christians, Saints, and Martyrs who were alived before The Bible was canonized? You must be careful with Holy Scripture because it is easy to fall under false interpretation. The guidance of The Holy Fathers who were illumined, is necessary.
Was a Baha’i before coming to Orthodoxy and they teach exactly this. Adopting the false presuppositions of Perennialism is so dangerous and very difficult to work your way out of.
The means of determining which traditions represent genuine, saving faiths is rather straightforward: a) they issue from a revelation, b) they comport with perennial metaphysical teachings, and c) they give rise to saints.
@Gigi-ho2qk What you say is true, if by that you are referring to the same saving tradition that St. Justin refers to: "We have been taught that Christ is the First- begotten of God and have testified that he is the Logos of which every race of man partakes. Those who lived in accordance with the Logos are Christians, even though they were called godless, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates and Heraclitus and others like them. Those who lived by this Logos, and those who so live now, are Chris- tians, fearless and unperturbed." But what you say is false if what you mean is 'there is only one holy tradition, and that one holy tradition has only even been known as the Orthodox Church.' That would be equivalent to arguing that The Logos is synonymous with, and limited to, Its manifestation as Jesus of Nazareth (contradicting the many references to the Angel of God in the scriptures).
@@purgatoriprytania5382 You apparently did not listen to the lecture. This was addressed. This is delusional and not consistent with Patristic Christology. Please listen and pay attention to the sections that addressed this matter of the Logos and the Incarnation and the implications for us today.
@@purgatoriprytania5382 I would also encourage you to follow the course that is being given by orthodox ethos, every Thursday, in which we are discussing the manifestations of the Logos, the fleshless Logos.
@@pah9730 First, I was addressing a question you raised during your lecture (which I very much did listen to). But I also hope that you're not calling St. Justin delusional?
The hate for Protestant's is not biblical. Most Orthodox in America convert from being Protestant. I would suggest more love and less hate for Protestant's.
I love protestants, and I only hate the falsehoods they espouse. Our criticisms are in the defense of our True Faith, but also for sake of their repentance.
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Perennialism got me back to Christianity. I now reject Perennialism, but I needed Perennialism to reject modernity first.
That is very relatable
You never had Christianity. But now you do, because of divine reasons beyond your understanding. But you will understand eventually, if you will earn the understanding, via holy obedience... Sadly though people today are fixated on repentance and have simply put aside the necessity of Orthodox Baptism, they have dichotomized the two when really they are both vital to one another... So if you're in the Church coming from heterodoxy, never being Orthodox before, and then got received without Orthodox Baptism, sorry you still do not have Christianity. And I will be stoned over and over for saying this to people, but where there is truth there is also love and concern for the brother. Judge by the fruits. What are the fruits of those who reduce Orthodoxy to a pietism and strip it of sacramental tradition, do those people represent Christ-likeness? No, Christ upset people, challenged their peace of mind with the Cross, demanded a difficult mode of obedience. And true baptism is a cross which some in their hearts do not really want to accept because of the fear of death instilled inside by the spirit of Antichrist. They want Christ without violence, this is not possible. Anyway don't be fooled like millions out there today joining the Church and thinking they have arrived at the truth, there is yet another war to fight before you are at a stable union with Christ. These are times of MASS APOSTASY.
So much this
I also came back to the Church in large parte due to Guenon. (Humanly speaking, of course).
Guenon indeed provided me some of the tools to understand Patristics and the Scriptures.
Of course, these tools are incomplete, but still were very useful.
Of course, over the years I have come to reject the idea of one mountain, multiple paths and the more I go deeper into the Christian faith, the more I see how and why Christ is the only Path.
Still, just like Fr. Seraphim R. before me, I still recognize Guenon's role in my early formation and I remember those years with fondness
"Even if our writings had on the average no other result than the restitution, for some, of the saving barque that is prayer, we would owe it to God to consider ourselves profoundly satisfied." ~F. Schuon
Yes, but Schuon's writings especially can lead one in delusion as well. He could well be used by some new-age teaching of a more intellectual bent.
Thank you for the great presentation, Father Peter. Prior to coming back to the Church I considered myself a perennialist. The two are truly irreconcilable and its very important others know this.
The scary thing about Perennialism is its reliance upon the metaphysics of the Hindu Advaita Vedanta darshan. The result of this is Swami Ramdas (regarded Schuon as a "prince among saints") stated that "If a human being is illumined [i.e., realized the Self], there is no difference between him and Jesus" (World of God). The Perennialists, if they were honest, would rewrite the Nicene creed to say that not only is Jesus Christ one in essence with the Father, but all men are one with the Father in essence. This is why Ramdas says in his "Religion - Its Universality" that, "To know or attain God through Christ means to become Christ himself in his pure and glorious life - to possess his heart of infinite love for all mankind".
Yes, all focused on self-deification which is a prideful delusion, not deification through humble repentance and obedience to Christ.
1:01:10 the point made here is why we have to be so watchful and why subtleties matter. They might not outright ask us to deny Christ, but they they will push us to acknowledge all beliefs and practices to be equal, or to accept a Christ made in their perennial image.
I love the Scandal of the Particular, Jesus Christ! ☦️
Father Peter, thank you very much for the insightful lecture. Please consider if possible at all a bit earlier live streams to accomodate UK/EU timezones, or offering a once a month or every two months an EU time zone lecture. We very much appreciate you wisdom and teachings.
Thank you for explaining. I’m praying you find a Bishop
I have a bishop. You can’t be a priest without a bishop.
@@pah9730Oh good. I’ve been told many contradictory things of release, acceptance then reverse by ROCOR. I don’t want to pry. I love your teaching and been praying for you because of those contradictory things. There’s apparently a lot of misinformation out there. Thank you again for all you do. I’m a new convert to EO. Was a Protestant of 24 years.
Sooo good ...
Thank you Father ...
54:57 that quote from an archbishop is sickening. Sounds like new age or a politician. The reality of Christ being the only WAY does not mean we think we’re better than others, or that God doesn’t love all people. And anyone who does even a surface level assessment of various religions will see how incompatible many are with each other. It can’t all be true.
Curious how perennialism relates to the B’Hai faith. Sounds similar with its universalist language.
B'Hai is a globalist religion and the Tower of Babel was the first globalist monument. How people can't see this satanic philosophy for what it is, is beyond me.
Very important presentation for far right inquirers.
Dear Father and EO team. I would love to have a copy of this very important paper! How can I get one? Thank you!
2:39:04 I was wondering about the sound. I guess I wasn’t crazy after all 😊
Father Peter, do you know of any good books on Perennialism and Traditionalism from an Orthodox perspective?
René Guénon spoke of a future counter-initiation and the Anti-Christ; the Kali Yuga. What strikes me to be diffrent is this idea of Utopia in the form of an esoteric unity.
I have some experience with Martinism; although never initiated.
1:36:05 Sorry for all the comments, per usual there’s so much meat in this talk.
Do you have any quotes or resources for what you were describing about Cardinal Newman (disdain for Orthodox)? That might be helpful to some RC who don’t realize that about him and have more of a positive/brotherly attitude towards Orthodox (which they attribute to the more contemporary ecumenical stance of the RC church).
Reman has a paper about the Orthodox
Father, bless.
What is the title of the book with this paper included in it?
Good evening Fr. Peers, brothers and sisters,
I benefitted a lot from this channel so first of all thank you for all the quality content, however I respectfully disagree with some of the considerations taken along this video.
The intellect (nous) is supra-rational. We can know the truth because we are the truth. "The kingdom of God is within you."
It gets backs to epistemology, how do we know that Orthodoxy is the only truth ? Or even that Christ is truth ? The truth is written in the substance of our spirit, as Schuon puts it. Therefore when we witness Christ through the Scriptures, the sacraments, inner prayer, or even a movie, we can know the truth because we are the truth.
This sacred fonction of intelligence is central to islam and traditional Christianity (gnosis is not gnosticism) but in modern Christianity it is less spoken about, like we would need a historical proof for a religion, and end up doing a PhD in archeology to find out if Christ really died and resurected, but history is based upon testimony like religion anyway. So if we look for the truth outside of ourselves, we would become a scienticist, objectivist, if we deny the sacredness of intelligence.
Eschatologically speaking, perennialism partakes in the spirit of the times, which is not necessarily satanic or antitraditional, as the hadith goes "Don't curse time, for Allah is the time". A spiritual ecumenism is what will counter the real Antichristian ideologies : zionism, wahhabism, transhumanism, wordly ecumenism, Lgbt, etc. All traditions have signs for the antichrist and end times, but with different names.
And God knows best.
How about reading the Bible before the church fathers???
NO! Absolutely NOT. That is not the Orthodox Way.
You read the Scriptures WITH the Church Fathers.
They are your guide. You need a guide. Everyone needs a guide.
The Ethiopian Eunuch needed a guide.
Reading The Scripture without The Church Fathers is like trying to make your way through a maze while blindfolded. Which shows why so many Protestants get lost within that maze.
@@haydeen6535 So the word of God is not enough? I like the church fathers but even they disagreed on certain points...only God's word is reliable.
@@LASTDAYSWATCHMAN777 They did not disagree on any of the major points of theology or salvation, whereas The Protestant Reformers disagreed about every single core "tenet" of Protestantism. When you say "The Bible is not enough?" In short, no. It absolutely is not. The Church is enough and The Church is all that is needed for our salvation. We are saved by Grace, which is recieved through the ongoing life of The Church, we are not saved by words. It is important to understand the historical context of Holy Scripture, as being an aspect of Church Tradition, and was only canonized many centuries after Christ. Was it necessary for all those Christians, Saints, and Martyrs who were alived before The Bible was canonized? You must be careful with Holy Scripture because it is easy to fall under false interpretation. The guidance of The Holy Fathers who were illumined, is necessary.
@@haydeen6535 The Catholic Church is the most corrupt ...masquerading as Christian.
Was a Baha’i before coming to Orthodoxy and they teach exactly this. Adopting the false presuppositions of Perennialism is so dangerous and very difficult to work your way out of.
So the Orthodox Church doesn’t believe in the rapture?
Can you point me in the direction of where I can read or learn about this topic?
The means of determining which traditions represent genuine, saving faiths is rather straightforward: a) they issue from a revelation, b) they comport with perennial metaphysical teachings, and c) they give rise to saints.
@Gigi-ho2qk What you say is true, if by that you are referring to the same saving tradition that St. Justin refers to: "We have been taught that Christ is the First- begotten of God and have testified that he is the Logos of which every race of man partakes. Those who lived in accordance with the Logos are Christians, even though they were called godless, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates and Heraclitus and others like them. Those who lived by this Logos, and those who so live now, are Chris- tians, fearless and unperturbed." But what you say is false if what you mean is 'there is only one holy tradition, and that one holy tradition has only even been known as the Orthodox Church.' That would be equivalent to arguing that The Logos is synonymous with, and limited to, Its manifestation as Jesus of Nazareth (contradicting the many references to the Angel of God in the scriptures).
There’s no “they” there’s one, Holy Orthodoxy
@@purgatoriprytania5382
You apparently did not listen to the lecture. This was addressed. This is delusional and not consistent with Patristic Christology. Please listen and pay attention to the sections that addressed this matter of the Logos and the Incarnation and the implications for us today.
@@purgatoriprytania5382
I would also encourage you to follow the course that is being given by orthodox ethos, every Thursday, in which we are discussing the manifestations of the Logos, the fleshless Logos.
@@pah9730 First, I was addressing a question you raised during your lecture (which I very much did listen to). But I also hope that you're not calling St. Justin delusional?
The hate for Protestant's is not biblical. Most Orthodox in America convert from being Protestant. I would suggest more love and less hate for Protestant's.
What hate?
I love protestants, and I only hate the falsehoods they espouse. Our criticisms are in the defense of our True Faith, but also for sake of their repentance.
Pointing out fundamental errors =/=hate.
Protestantism is a Heresy made up of many Heresies and cannot save.
They should become Orthodox.