Fatality did great! No shame in losing to a top ten player and honestly third place on 2 hours of sleep is amazing. Let’s get Fatality into Smash Summit alongside Kola
@@dennisd.4726 idk about top 5 man, its possible but id bet against it. Some of the opinions ive heard from top playets is the more you play against kola, the easier he becomes, and that prob explains how inconsistent he is. Theres a tonne of steep competition. Leo, tweek and sparg0 we can all agree are top 3, so he has to compete for the last 2 spots against the likes of maister and light (who both show better performance according to the most recent pgru stats) and dabuz. He may do it but my feeling right now is that hes sixth in the world
Fatality did much better against kola this time around. I like how he now uses side b and falcon kick coming down as before he really never used those especially the side b
Fatality started out playing very carefully and intelligently but in the second game you notice him starting to get a little jumpy, which Kola capitalized on to take it. Also, don't ever try and outmash Kola's Roy.
@@colemiller6032 you know the mash jokes are funny, but if you actually believe marss is mashing with zss (most of the time) then you have no idea what hes doing 😂 he doesnt usually mash. Zss is a character that requires planning for every approach. If you attack without a goal you probably wont get anywhere.
@@CharlieGreasby yeah its hard, people will watch everything and do anything (within fairness) to get the edge over on you. People who are actively competing and take it serious dissect any information they can get their hands on, as they should. If youre gonna commit you gotta be devoted to the craft.
And yet we have MKLeo giving helpful insights on his character what options to counter play him same with tweek but with anything the top 8 constantly self improves and maybe that's where the skill gap is between a top 8 players vs the rest
@@CharlieGreasby I feel like it's a very 80s mentality that people being very discreet about their playstyles. This literally what happened in the early Street Fight meta, people back then was wondering why there was a huge skill gap between Americans and Japanese (it isn't as bad now). Most people agreed on the reason that the U.S. top players are very discreet about "tech" and afraid that their opponents will "steal their moves" whereas in Japan, people mostly play fighting games in arcades/offline and had already established a tighter scene with top level players who regularly share information with others. Because of this and sereval other reasons, Japan's fighting game meta was much more developed than the U.S. back then. Plus top players are very adaptive, I wonder if being discreet will do anything good.
What are you talking about? Roy was always considered good and mashy since day 1 of Ult. Kola is just a great player utilizing the character well, but he isn't particularly doing anything new with the character.
@@XC11301991 No, Kola 100% progressed Roy's meta. His punish game making use of dairs, jab > fsmash, jab > side b, heavy use of sour up airs were not commonly done until he did them. Early Roy punish game was comprised mostly of chaining nairs/fairs, not the juggles and platform extensions Kola usually opts to go for
@@Liezuli What? You literally just named old Sm4sh Roy tech. This has been Roy's gameplan for years already. It's just more commonly noticed because Kola is a good player that is effectively using these punishes and options, but to say he elevated Roy's meta is just plain wrong. You're just seeing it more often now in the hands of a good player and seeing it in tournaments more often. If anything he's carrying the representation of Roy as Kola has shown he can do well with other characters as well. Goblin has applied many of what you said since Sm4sh days, but there's a def gap in skill between Goblin and Kola and right now Kola is making a good showing of what this character can do at the highest level when you are consistent.
@@Liezuli That is 100% false. Kolas just been hot with smash ultimates Roy. He’s not doing anything crazy or new with the character. Yeah he’s great, but in this case he won because of the matchup.
I enjoy Kola, his style of gp is so inspirational as a lower lv player it's almost daunting but when I watch Fatality I feel as if the Underdog is about to be cornered, which we all know what happens when you coroner a wild animal . Its scary cool to watch these two fight, keep up the grind Fatality.
Nah it was for GnW match up. He said he'd prob use them for Roy too tho. But he doesn't want to use a secondary if Falcon doesn't have any impossible match ups and apparently Andrik says GnW isn't as bad as a match up as he thinks and fatality thinks he just has to get better in it.
He had intended to use it for Roy (among other things), but he learned later that the Roys and Aegis mains both think the matchup is only even, so he just decided it wasn't worth switching away from Falcon in that case.
I feel like Falcon really has no options when fighting a Roy which is as highly optimized as Kola's. Basically when Roy is in the air and on the ground, it has moves which can beat out Falcon's options. If I were to calculate the % of time where Fatality is at a disadvantage and playing defense, I would feel like it's a lot out of these matches.
As someone who competes, and studies the matchup closely, A roy main myself, and someone who plays falcon probably enough to main him if he wanted, i understand both characters very well. Even if its roys favor, its actually not as bad as you think. Falcon has moves that are either quick or active enough to beat roy or trade with him at least. Nair and up air are so good in so many situations, what youre seeing is the optimized air tight movement of kolas roy , SO many times any of us woulda got hit by up smash at a crucial moment, kola has the weirdest movement and avoids it. Hes really good at dodging fatality. Fatality for the most part doesnt play bad ever, kola is just executing at a damn near TAS level. Hes seriously fucking good. People also dont give him enough credit, kola is a nerd, he has this shit down to a science. He has learned and memorized all the frame data for attacks, and memorized every interaction. Thats how you see him win those interactions or push through a situation you thought he would get beat in. Fatality was playing best in the first game, after that he played a little more jumpy and shaky. Still very good! I didnt see his nerves get the best of him for the most part, but kola is a god damn machine and he will notice that and dissect attack after attack. These players are both the respective masters of the their characters, playing on a level we can only hope to reach someday. Theyre both insanely skilled and gifted. Even if kola won 3-1, the set came down to a few crucial moments that could have went either way. Kola avoided death so narrowly it could have just as easy been fatalitys win.
The difference in power between these two characters is too much for anyone to make up. The level that fatality has to play at to even be competitive in this match up is insane. He caught kola in so many jabs, and all he gets for it is like 15%, meanwhile if kola lands a jab he gets a kill at 90% lol
@@lokks2130 How are you going to do any of those options you listed out of shield lol, Ftilt is frame 18, Jab is frame 14, raptor boost is at best frame 26, and dash attack is frame 18 out of shield, and you are almost never going to be shield grabbing a Roy jab as Falcon because you'll almost always be out of range or you most likely won't react in time if you are actually in range. Up B is the only plausible oos option against a Roy jab and it's still too slow to be a true punish.
Haven't watched the whole video but that first game is what I've been waiting for from Fatality in this matchup. Kola's isn't where he's at for nothing, though, and I expect some serious adaptation
It’s really hysterical how so many people are complaining about a character who has no projectiles and can be killed by simply losing his double jump. Y’all should be stepping y’all game up instead of complaining about a character who just dies all the time for no reason. Roy is not the problem, the way you play against roy is the real problem stop blaming the characters and step up your game smash community.
Hardly anyone is "complaining". Roy is just a hard match up for Falcon. It's not that hard to watch and see. They both have similar speed and offensive tools that kill early. But Roy has a disjoint and Falcon doesn't. Not to mention you have to be a lot more accurate and precise with Falcon. Simple as that
@@RoseStrohm Im sorry but that’s not true it can go either way, i lose to plenty of nice falcons. Falcons Knee fair can KO roy at less than 65 percent. Falcon has all the tools in his kit to beat roy so please don’t say that the match up is one sided.
@@nonachyourbusiness1164 I think it might be. I think falcon has some good tools but he just can’t contest Roy’s disjoints a lot of the time especially with his frame data. However I would like to see Fatality approach the matchup more conservatively like the Japanese Falcons. Or maybe Kola can fight one of them and see how he does.
The problem is that C. Falcon is not a rushdown character, he is a Hit & Run character, which leads to play also in a bait & punish style which also leads to a situation of "one mistake and you're dead", so he cannot approach very agressively unlike Roy who has way more pressure, disjointed hitboxes, more killpower and flexible approach.
Ehm... What about Leo and Byleth? Byleth is a good character and he wins against top tiers. It's about play style and fatality is just too aggressive when he doesn't need to.
@10:55 Fatality did great dodging the Fsmash AND had the read on Kola's roll but unfortunately he missed the hit and there's where everything went south.
Fatality needs to work on his ledge trapping, from both ends. His explosive combos are world-class, but I don't think he'll be consistent top 8 until he improves there.
At 11:11 when fatality hits him with that nair into the gentleman combo... I wonder if he coulda stopped at jab 2 and just did a run off dair for the W...looks like it may have worked
I like how every single time this channel uploads a match with either fatality or peanut in it, it gets like 20 times more views than the other videos.
Fatality is so fun to watch, but Kola's reactions / in game decisions are noticeably faster in pressure scenarios. And Roy is simply a better character.
Counters can edgeguard very well agaonst telegraphed recoveries. Since roy isn't that great at edgeguarding otherwise it's a pretty good asset. Upsmash on the other hand is slow and doesn't connect well
@@greedo194 But Roy falls really fast, so the positions he can use counter while offstage without dying are very limited. So most of the time recoveries can circumvent it.
People starting to realize how mashy that character. Like wft can you even do against character with damn near zero startup and ending lag, with a freaking sword? Nothing. He’s virtually unpunishable.
@@matthewbitter532 yeah and his ledge trapping is just for free. Just stand there and jab until the opponent runs out of Iframes and if he picks an option just shield and do anything out of shield. Roy is annoying to fight against. Jab into anything is broken
@@matthewbitter532 i know it can be frustrating sometimes,.. i been playin a lot of byleth lately which is slower so i just try to my best to keep them spaced out, ..when they try to come in use nair dash attack nair fair, retreating Bair etc. depends on which character your playing i suppose.
I know it's hard to edge guard Roy's UpSpecial for characters without the disjoint, but can't you just reverse falcon dive rather than constantly trying to 2 frame dair? I've not had any experience vs any form of good Roy, it might grab release but fatality normally abuses it to great success, if he can't win on stage he needs to win off stage.
Looking at the hitbox on Roy's up b in the air, I imagine it would grab release most of the time. Plus it takes a bit of set up time to run off stage, position yourself, and then Up B when Roy can get back to ledge very quickly with his fast fall and the travel speed of his up b
Kola and Mkleo are my two favorite players, but one thing i noticed in the smash community is everyone always wants to see kola lose and nobody ever says anything about wanting to see MKleo lose for once. What’s up with that? Why is there so much Kola hate. Kola has came such a long way the last two years why do people always wanna see Kola lose?
@@jorhey9346 the last 3 weeks i’ve been watching kola consistently and most of the time people wanna see him lose. Even when he goes wolf against samus with teaser people still root against him. Kola is a GOAT and people hate that so much i really don’t get it.
Kola stans are annoying, and sometimes when people in twitch chat are saying disrespectful stuff like "download complete" and "ez win for Kola" I wanna see an upset happen. Same goes for Mkleo, don't mind him winning at all but him winning every tournament gets a little old sometimes.
It's nice seeing sword/weapon characters lose considering they usually are annoying overall (Lucina, Joker, Sora, Chrom/Roy, Byleth, Pythra, Palutena, Hero etc.). MkLeo is one of my favorite players he first started frequently attending top 8's in Sm4sh and I want to see him lose sometimes as he is #1 and only every uses sword characters aside from that one Wolf streak he went on for like 2 tournaments or something like 2 or 3 years ago.
Going against swords is kinda unfair though, they act as a shield and most of the time you can't even get passed it, and all us falcon players have is our feet and fists, we have nothing blocking us from getting hit.
@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 no he only picked them up for G&W but after talking to another top level Falcon he decided that can beat Maister with Falcon if he gets better at the matchup
Fatality is too worried about getting idj follow ups that won't connect and get him hit. Also barely sets up any knee combos which is kinda the whole point
This was def the matchup and not as much the player. Not that Kola isn’t great or top 10 considering his history. I still feel if it wasn’t for the safety space sword fatality reads right through you 9 times out of 10.
Yeah its a MU issue at this point. Fatality and Kola are pretty evenly matched at this point because they have been playing each other in bracket for years. They know each other's styles to a T, Roy just has the better tools. Hard to say what char would both fit Fatality's style and be good against Roy at the same time at this point.
Look I'm a Fatality fan too but you guys are hitting the copium hard. Yes it is a rough mu and yes Fatality is a top player, but saying that he's evenly matched with Kola right now is just not true. That being said, I think he can get to that point a lot easier if he doesn't show up to tourneys off two hours of sleep lol
honestly idk why fatality didn't edge guard an easy to edge guard character, but then again its not like the biggest tournament ever so he can play as non-sweaty as he wants to.
Roy isn't easy to Edgeguard, yeah it only takes a hit, but Blazer is a good move and Roy's air and fall speed make it tough to track him while he's traveling back. plus one mistake and Kola is easily reversing him, with much better results and tools to work with as a Roy.
So sad to watch FE sword spam dominate while fatality has to try and play so smart. Nothing against Kola he's a great player but I'm always rooting for the underdog Fatality.
I mean, Kola's a top 10 player for a reason. Both were playing smart, but Fatality was a bit too jumpy this set and led to him being punished a lot. Also, match up played a huge part.
@@josephtpg7329 Yeah I agree 100%. I feel it takes alot to beat characters with range with Falcon and Fatality definetly has what it takes. I just really want to see him take a win. He deserves it fr.
Gonna be honest, Kola didn't outplay Fatality. Fatality is just playing a low-mid tier at best. Kola gets all of these easy quick stocks with jab at edge or random F-smashes, and even a random up-tilt. Falcon needs a sweet-spot Fair just to match that knockback. Falcon needs buffs that he's probably not going to get. Fatality plays Link so well, it would be wise to branch into other characters to see if he can improve his winrate. Fatality is a seriously talented player, no need to exclusively use a character that is literally causing him to lose tournaments.
No way Falcon is a low mid tier. Regardless, Fatality has been doing quite well with Falcon as of late, and most of his losses can be attributed more to his mentality and decision making than his character.
IMO, Roy is the best character in game. He’s stupidly overpowered. Kill power, range, combos and kill confirms, speed, all in a characters with stupidly good frame data and safety on shield. I can’t think of any character who has everything like that. Usually if they have good frame data, they struggle to kill. Or if they have good kill power, they have slower frame data or smaller hit boxes to compensate. Not Roy. He has it all. His side b is basically a spamable wondering
@@matthewbitter532 You are making all these claims but you can’t do the same with roy. Stop your chatting plenty of characters overpower roy. Kola just outplays players get over it.The fact that you’re saying this shows you are just someone who watches from the sidelines.
IMO, Roy is the best character in game. He’s stupidly overpowered. Kill power, range, combos and kill confirms, speed, all in a characters with stupidly good frame data and safety on shield. I can’t think of any character who has everything like that. Usually if they have good frame data, they struggle to kill. Or if they have good kill power, they have slower frame data or smaller hit boxes to compensate. Not Roy. He has it all. His side b is basically a spamable wonderwing
Roy is the best character? I can't say I agree. Roy is pretty good in the neutral game but where he really shines is during advantage state since he's so fast and he's got decent frame data. He can juggle his opponents in the air and wipe the floor with almost anyone in tech situations. The problems start when you go against characters who can outspace Roy with larger hitboxes or have really good out of shield options. But to be honest that isn't so bad if you know how to use your safer moves properly. You can see examples of this in Kola's game vs Mkleo in glitch, mixing aerials with jab to bait people into approaching you recklessly. Projectiles that are fast or can be grabbed also pose a problem since he has no way of negating them beyond his speed. The real problems start when you end up on a ledge or offstage. Roy absolutely gets murdered in those area's since in a recovery your only option is to mix up the timing of the up B to either just after, or just as they attack since it has a super short window of intangibility which does not work on active hitboxes. Characters who can edgeguard and/or out space Roy will result in suffering. In this particular case I think Falcon does actually have some stuff on Roy, which are oddly enough kinda similar to things Roy has on a lot of characters. Good punish game and good burst options. However he also has a LOT of disadvantages that outweigh the good. For one Roy's got disjointed hitboxes that make almost any offensive option Falcon has unsafe to use. He doesn't have many good options for out of shield against Roy either beyond very difficult footstool tech that is situational in it's use. The other big issue for Falcon is his inability to punish Roy in his weakest area, offstage. His own recovery isn't particularly good (though I would argue that it's somewhat better then Roy's since landing a hit with it can restore your B options and Falcon's drift is actually pretty good) and if he misses there's a good chance that the Roy could kill him for it either in a reversal or a ledgetrap (Jair, Fsmash, Side B, ect). As an Ike player I can very much feel Roy's offensive power. But I've also learned that if you can play it safe and wall him off he is forced to play defensive in a way most Roy's aren't prepared for. The second I get him offstage he will die to Ike up B or counter. This got a bit longer then I intended but hopefully it helps people understand the situations these top players have to deal with.
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Fatality did great! No shame in losing to a top ten player and honestly third place on 2 hours of sleep is amazing. Let’s get Fatality into Smash Summit alongside Kola
Kola opted out of summit. Idk know why but he has
@@perpetual_suffering1458 cause he would have to campaign and campaigning isn't easy or cheap.
Also I'd argue Kola is top 5 for sure
@@dennisd.4726 idk about top 5 man, its possible but id bet against it. Some of the opinions ive heard from top playets is the more you play against kola, the easier he becomes, and that prob explains how inconsistent he is. Theres a tonne of steep competition. Leo, tweek and sparg0 we can all agree are top 3, so he has to compete for the last 2 spots against the likes of maister and light (who both show better performance according to the most recent pgru stats) and dabuz. He may do it but my feeling right now is that hes sixth in the world
I agree, sadly this was top comment so it spoiled the set for me 😞
I root for fatality every time, but I feel like kola is just farming these tournaments at this point hahah
Kola more like carried
@@RoseStrohm feel happy bout this one don’t you.
@@RoseStrohm roy is one annoying, cheesy, broken mf but never ignore kolas skill with him though
@@animashups9646 cheese and broken ? How lmao
@@GravitypG because he plays like Mario with a sword
Fatality did much better against kola this time around. I like how he now uses side b and falcon kick coming down as before he really never used those especially the side b
yeah I was gonna say it looks like he’s improving in the matchup
Yeaa he’s getting way better at fighting kolas roy
Fatality started out playing very carefully and intelligently but in the second game you notice him starting to get a little jumpy, which Kola capitalized on to take it. Also, don't ever try and outmash Kola's Roy.
Ya it’s like Marss’ ZSS, they both thrive in the mash, fatality does much better with optimal wiff punishes
@@colemiller6032 you know the mash jokes are funny, but if you actually believe marss is mashing with zss (most of the time) then you have no idea what hes doing 😂 he doesnt usually mash. Zss is a character that requires planning for every approach. If you attack without a goal you probably wont get anywhere.
Fatality ran into Kola in losers again
Again.
Fatality should review tough games like this on channel, I would definitely help me as a Falcon main and could even be a positive for fatality
He said he wasn’t going to anymore because his opponents had reportedly used his analysis to beat him
he does on stream
@@CharlieGreasby yeah its hard, people will watch everything and do anything (within fairness) to get the edge over on you. People who are actively competing and take it serious dissect any information they can get their hands on, as they should. If youre gonna commit you gotta be devoted to the craft.
And yet we have MKLeo giving helpful insights on his character what options to counter play him same with tweek but with anything the top 8 constantly self improves and maybe that's where the skill gap is between a top 8 players vs the rest
@@CharlieGreasby I feel like it's a very 80s mentality that people being very discreet about their playstyles. This literally what happened in the early Street Fight meta, people back then was wondering why there was a huge skill gap between Americans and Japanese (it isn't as bad now). Most people agreed on the reason that the U.S. top players are very discreet about "tech" and afraid that their opponents will "steal their moves" whereas in Japan, people mostly play fighting games in arcades/offline and had already established a tighter scene with top level players who regularly share information with others. Because of this and sereval other reasons, Japan's fighting game meta was much more developed than the U.S. back then. Plus top players are very adaptive, I wonder if being discreet will do anything good.
I know ppl complain about Roy but they forget how Kola made this character. Mad respect for both these players
The most non biased comment in this entire comments section so far. I salute you brotha💯.
What are you talking about? Roy was always considered good and mashy since day 1 of Ult. Kola is just a great player utilizing the character well, but he isn't particularly doing anything new with the character.
@@XC11301991 No, Kola 100% progressed Roy's meta. His punish game making use of dairs, jab > fsmash, jab > side b, heavy use of sour up airs were not commonly done until he did them. Early Roy punish game was comprised mostly of chaining nairs/fairs, not the juggles and platform extensions Kola usually opts to go for
@@Liezuli What? You literally just named old Sm4sh Roy tech. This has been Roy's gameplan for years already. It's just more commonly noticed because Kola is a good player that is effectively using these punishes and options, but to say he elevated Roy's meta is just plain wrong. You're just seeing it more often now in the hands of a good player and seeing it in tournaments more often. If anything he's carrying the representation of Roy as Kola has shown he can do well with other characters as well. Goblin has applied many of what you said since Sm4sh days, but there's a def gap in skill between Goblin and Kola and right now Kola is making a good showing of what this character can do at the highest level when you are consistent.
@@Liezuli That is 100% false. Kolas just been hot with smash ultimates Roy. He’s not doing anything crazy or new with the character. Yeah he’s great, but in this case he won because of the matchup.
I enjoy Kola, his style of gp is so inspirational as a lower lv player it's almost daunting but when I watch Fatality I feel as if the Underdog is about to be cornered, which we all know what happens when you coroner a wild animal . Its scary cool to watch these two fight, keep up the grind Fatality.
Didn't fatality lab a pyra mythra just for this matchup? Why he hasn't use them??
He said recently that he’s going back to only falcon. Wish he would pick a secondary tho
Nah it was for GnW match up. He said he'd prob use them for Roy too tho. But he doesn't want to use a secondary if Falcon doesn't have any impossible match ups and apparently Andrik says GnW isn't as bad as a match up as he thinks and fatality thinks he just has to get better in it.
He had intended to use it for Roy (among other things), but he learned later that the Roys and Aegis mains both think the matchup is only even, so he just decided it wasn't worth switching away from Falcon in that case.
@@dennisd.4726 andrik practices with maister a lot
@@voodooedits785 yeah that's gotta be a convenient plus for him. But he should know then that it's doable.
I feel like Falcon really has no options when fighting a Roy which is as highly optimized as Kola's. Basically when Roy is in the air and on the ground, it has moves which can beat out Falcon's options. If I were to calculate the % of time where Fatality is at a disadvantage and playing defense, I would feel like it's a lot out of these matches.
Roy press A and falcon loses.
its called a losing matchup :)
Fatality thinks it's -1, so not the worst but definitely losing
As someone who competes, and studies the matchup closely, A roy main myself, and someone who plays falcon probably enough to main him if he wanted, i understand both characters very well. Even if its roys favor, its actually not as bad as you think. Falcon has moves that are either quick or active enough to beat roy or trade with him at least. Nair and up air are so good in so many situations, what youre seeing is the optimized air tight movement of kolas roy , SO many times any of us woulda got hit by up smash at a crucial moment, kola has the weirdest movement and avoids it. Hes really good at dodging fatality. Fatality for the most part doesnt play bad ever, kola is just executing at a damn near TAS level. Hes seriously fucking good. People also dont give him enough credit, kola is a nerd, he has this shit down to a science. He has learned and memorized all the frame data for attacks, and memorized every interaction. Thats how you see him win those interactions or push through a situation you thought he would get beat in. Fatality was playing best in the first game, after that he played a little more jumpy and shaky. Still very good! I didnt see his nerves get the best of him for the most part, but kola is a god damn machine and he will notice that and dissect attack after attack. These players are both the respective masters of the their characters, playing on a level we can only hope to reach someday. Theyre both insanely skilled and gifted. Even if kola won 3-1, the set came down to a few crucial moments that could have went either way. Kola avoided death so narrowly it could have just as easy been fatalitys win.
The difference in power between these two characters is too much for anyone to make up. The level that fatality has to play at to even be competitive in this match up is insane. He caught kola in so many jabs, and all he gets for it is like 15%, meanwhile if kola lands a jab he gets a kill at 90% lol
@@lokks2130 Falcon lost every out of shield option he had to Roy’s jab alone. Fatality should consider a secondary for this m/u
@@Catholic_skald he beat Pikachu with Falcon and has beaten every other Roy with Falcon. He can definitely improve against Kola
90%?? He got jabbed at 60% at ledge and died. Roy doesnt need to commit to anything to win
@@lokks2130 Then why did he lose, like, every interaction every time Kola touched his shield with a jab? it literally beats up B, dude
@@lokks2130 How are you going to do any of those options you listed out of shield lol, Ftilt is frame 18, Jab is frame 14, raptor boost is at best frame 26, and dash attack is frame 18 out of shield, and you are almost never going to be shield grabbing a Roy jab as Falcon because you'll almost always be out of range or you most likely won't react in time if you are actually in range. Up B is the only plausible oos option against a Roy jab and it's still too slow to be a true punish.
Haven't watched the whole video but that first game is what I've been waiting for from Fatality in this matchup. Kola's isn't where he's at for nothing, though, and I expect some serious adaptation
every time Fatality loses to Kola the comment section goes into maximum copium
For real
It’s really hysterical how so many people are complaining about a character who has no projectiles and can be killed by simply losing his double jump. Y’all should be stepping y’all game up instead of complaining about a character who just dies all the time for no reason. Roy is not the problem, the way you play against roy is the real problem stop blaming the characters and step up your game smash community.
You also die against Roy all the time for no reason
This matchup was so one sided tho
Hardly anyone is "complaining". Roy is just a hard match up for Falcon. It's not that hard to watch and see. They both have similar speed and offensive tools that kill early. But Roy has a disjoint and Falcon doesn't. Not to mention you have to be a lot more accurate and precise with Falcon. Simple as that
@@RoseStrohm Im sorry but that’s not true it can go either way, i lose to plenty of nice falcons. Falcons Knee fair can KO roy at less than 65 percent. Falcon has all the tools in his kit to beat roy so please don’t say that the match up is one sided.
i thought u were talking about captain falcon lmao 💀💀💀
Fatality needs a secondary for this matchup. Tired of seeing him lose it.
Are you sure it's an issue with the character?
He’s a falcon main he doesn’t have a secondary lol
@@nncproductionsinc.4077 Just like how im a Hero main(Best Character in the world) And I never use anyone else
@@nonachyourbusiness1164 I think it might be. I think falcon has some good tools but he just can’t contest Roy’s disjoints a lot of the time especially with his frame data. However I would like to see Fatality approach the matchup more conservatively like the Japanese Falcons. Or maybe Kola can fight one of them and see how he does.
The problem is that C. Falcon is not a rushdown character, he is a Hit & Run character, which leads to play also in a bait & punish style which also leads to a situation of "one mistake and you're dead", so he cannot approach very agressively unlike Roy who has way more pressure, disjointed hitboxes, more killpower and flexible approach.
Definitely feel this one was a mindset issue. Fatality was giving Kola way too much respect and avoided using Falcon's risk/reward options.
I feel like Fatality should have been more careful and focus on reads and placement instead of matching Roy’s aggression but thats my view
Respect???
@@yagyabudha8122 respect as in respecting kola/roy's options
So you've got someone saying he was giving Kola too much respect and then you've got someone saying Fatality should have been more careful, uhhh.
Fatality plays at the human limit everytime, and yet he loses. It's because Falcon is holding him down
No :)
Ehm... What about Leo and Byleth?
Byleth is a good character and he wins against top tiers. It's about play style and fatality is just too aggressive when he doesn't need to.
@10:55 Fatality did great dodging the Fsmash AND had the read on Kola's roll but unfortunately he missed the hit and there's where everything went south.
Fatality needs to work on his ledge trapping, from both ends. His explosive combos are world-class, but I don't think he'll be consistent top 8 until he improves there.
falcons ledge trapping isn’t very good especially against a high level player like kola
not much falcon can do besides just guess correctly
At 11:11 when fatality hits him with that nair into the gentleman combo...
I wonder if he coulda stopped at jab 2 and just did a run off dair for the W...looks like it may have worked
I like how every single time this channel uploads a match with either fatality or peanut in it, it gets like 20 times more views than the other videos.
6:10 that guy in the back has a uniqe sitting position
Fatality was missing a lot of grabs i was sure would connect, i can't be the only one who saw those right
Falcons grab range is horrible. Hurts to see it.
Fatality is so fun to watch, but Kola's reactions / in game decisions are noticeably faster in pressure scenarios. And Roy is simply a better character.
Roy is top tier
How was the argument for Roy’s worst move between Dair and Up-smash and not Down-B
Counters can edgeguard very well agaonst telegraphed recoveries. Since roy isn't that great at edgeguarding otherwise it's a pretty good asset. Upsmash on the other hand is slow and doesn't connect well
@@greedo194 but it has armor and catches on both sides. It’s just that up-tilt is so good that it doesn’t see that much use
@@greedo194 But Roy falls really fast, so the positions he can use counter while offstage without dying are very limited. So most of the time recoveries can circumvent it.
It’s hard to out mash Roy sometimes lol
People starting to realize how mashy that character. Like wft can you even do against character with damn near zero startup and ending lag, with a freaking sword? Nothing. He’s virtually unpunishable.
@@matthewbitter532 yeah and his ledge trapping is just for free. Just stand there and jab until the opponent runs out of Iframes and if he picks an option just shield and do anything out of shield. Roy is annoying to fight against. Jab into anything is broken
@@matthewbitter532 i know it can be frustrating sometimes,.. i been playin a lot of byleth lately which is slower so i just try to my best to keep them spaced out, ..when they try to come in use nair dash attack nair fair, retreating Bair etc. depends on which character your playing i suppose.
Kola: *mashes jab at ledge*
Commentators: "omg Kola is so good at ledge"
As the sun rises so too does fatality meet kola......I've seen family members spend more time apart
I know it's hard to edge guard Roy's UpSpecial for characters without the disjoint, but can't you just reverse falcon dive rather than constantly trying to 2 frame dair?
I've not had any experience vs any form of good Roy, it might grab release but fatality normally abuses it to great success, if he can't win on stage he needs to win off stage.
Looking at the hitbox on Roy's up b in the air, I imagine it would grab release most of the time. Plus it takes a bit of set up time to run off stage, position yourself, and then Up B when Roy can get back to ledge very quickly with his fast fall and the travel speed of his up b
Yea I've noticed the Kola matchup seems to be Fatility's kryptonite for the past year.
That and Samus pro players
Two of the most aggressive players on the scene VS EACH OTHER? yaaaaass (that I can think of rn anyways. Prolly more out there whom be the AGRESSY)
No u are correct they are currently the 2 most explosive players for better or worse
@@A_Shut-in_NEET 🕺
2:16 facts, everytime I get hit with a Falcon Kick I’m like how the fuck did that hit me???
Who was at grands?
Kola and Mkleo are my two favorite players, but one thing i noticed in the smash community is everyone always wants to see kola lose and nobody ever says anything about wanting to see MKleo lose for once. What’s up with that? Why is there so much Kola hate. Kola has came such a long way the last two years why do people always wanna see Kola lose?
Most people I've heard wanna see him win, but in this case fatality has lost to him sooo much recently that people wanna see him overcome his demon
@@jorhey9346 the last 3 weeks i’ve been watching kola consistently and most of the time people wanna see him lose. Even when he goes wolf against samus with teaser people still root against him. Kola is a GOAT and people hate that so much i really don’t get it.
@@jorhey9346 But thank you for your non biased reply tho bro i do appreciate you not coming at me sideways in your reply fr
Kola stans are annoying, and sometimes when people in twitch chat are saying disrespectful stuff like "download complete" and "ez win for Kola" I wanna see an upset happen. Same goes for Mkleo, don't mind him winning at all but him winning every tournament gets a little old sometimes.
It's nice seeing sword/weapon characters lose considering they usually are annoying overall (Lucina, Joker, Sora, Chrom/Roy, Byleth, Pythra, Palutena, Hero etc.).
MkLeo is one of my favorite players he first started frequently attending top 8's in Sm4sh and I want to see him lose sometimes as he is #1 and only every uses sword characters aside from that one Wolf streak he went on for like 2 tournaments or something like 2 or 3 years ago.
People calling Roy braindead literally because Kola plays him at a high level are so braindead and can never be satisfied...
Casual shitters, let them be mad
@@RurouniiJay fr
I feel like fatality actually played better this time around, but falcon vs Roy is just a bad matchup.
Going against swords is kinda unfair though, they act as a shield and most of the time you can't even get passed it, and all us falcon players have is our feet and fists, we have nothing blocking us from getting hit.
Yeah but kind of on Fatality at this point for not counter picking on a horrible mu. Wasn't he practicing Pythra for a while.
Going against projectile characters is kinda unfair though, they can just spam shit at me and i can't even reach them
@@tutenkopf3379 you can jump over it though
Why is called ‘the gentleman’ when falcon does the 3 jab thing?
5:43 Kolas's sweater Is sick🤩
Nice to see Michael Cera commenting the game
Roy vs falcon is always my favorite match up to watch
Fatality needs to have a secondary, there is almost no way a falcon can beat Roy, this matchup is too in favor of Roy
Anything is possible
It’s not beating Roy it’s beating kola lmao
Didn't he pick up Aegis but nerds started harassing him for playing a character they don't like?
@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 no he only picked them up for G&W but after talking to another top level Falcon he decided that can beat Maister with Falcon if he gets better at the matchup
Fr, this matchup is AIDS when roy can just spam jab and the c-stick
Who is kola losing to?
Also Spargo
@@nomado.3855 I meant why is kola in losers who beat him
Im a simple man. I see fatality vs kola I click
Fatality is too worried about getting idj follow ups that won't connect and get him hit. Also barely sets up any knee combos which is kinda the whole point
Fun fact: popularity of a player is determined by the comment section
Win by the Falcon, due by the falcon. I can respect it
The commentators did fatality dirty w outdated title 😂
dont spam jump against swords characters you will lose the tilt contest every time
tengo mucho tiempo observando la forma de pelar del rastafari y no hay competencia. 🇩🇴💘
Really not trying to take away from Kola. But man...that boy be mashing
drinking game: drink everytime Roy jabs at the ledge
@@KatsuDjinGX drinking game: take a drink everytime you go to a fatality/kola vod and complain about Roy in the comment section
This was def the matchup and not as much the player. Not that Kola isn’t great or top 10 considering his history. I still feel if it wasn’t for the safety space sword fatality reads right through you 9 times out of 10.
Yeah its a MU issue at this point. Fatality and Kola are pretty evenly matched at this point because they have been playing each other in bracket for years. They know each other's styles to a T, Roy just has the better tools.
Hard to say what char would both fit Fatality's style and be good against Roy at the same time at this point.
@@SrMissileMonkey 100% agreed dawg
@@Kamedouken i realize i said "at this point" 3 times in that explanation. Yikes
@@SrMissileMonkey lol no big deal I caught what you were throwing
Look I'm a Fatality fan too but you guys are hitting the copium hard. Yes it is a rough mu and yes Fatality is a top player, but saying that he's evenly matched with Kola right now is just not true. That being said, I think he can get to that point a lot easier if he doesn't show up to tourneys off two hours of sleep lol
honestly idk why fatality didn't edge guard an easy to edge guard character, but then again its not like the biggest tournament ever so he can play as non-sweaty as he wants to.
Roy isn't easy to Edgeguard, yeah it only takes a hit, but Blazer is a good move and Roy's air and fall speed make it tough to track him while he's traveling back. plus one mistake and Kola is easily reversing him, with much better results and tools to work with as a Roy.
All fatality grabs look like they should of landed
So sad to watch FE sword spam dominate while fatality has to try and play so smart. Nothing against Kola he's a great player but I'm always rooting for the underdog Fatality.
I mean, Kola's a top 10 player for a reason. Both were playing smart, but Fatality was a bit too jumpy this set and led to him being punished a lot. Also, match up played a huge part.
@@josephtpg7329 Yeah I agree 100%. I feel it takes alot to beat characters with range with Falcon and Fatality definetly has what it takes. I just really want to see him take a win. He deserves it fr.
Good commentators
Fatality has some of the worst off stage presence in the history of Smash. He instantly throws any momentum away with his off stage options sometimes.
Good commentary
Idk it just seems like kola mashes his way out😂
Good. Very good!
Lola is hella good
This game is just slower brawlmelee
Kolazzzzz up air una y otra vez
Gonna be honest, Kola didn't outplay Fatality. Fatality is just playing a low-mid tier at best. Kola gets all of these easy quick stocks with jab at edge or random F-smashes, and even a random up-tilt. Falcon needs a sweet-spot Fair just to match that knockback. Falcon needs buffs that he's probably not going to get.
Fatality plays Link so well, it would be wise to branch into other characters to see if he can improve his winrate. Fatality is a seriously talented player, no need to exclusively use a character that is literally causing him to lose tournaments.
No way Falcon is a low mid tier. Regardless, Fatality has been doing quite well with Falcon as of late, and most of his losses can be attributed more to his mentality and decision making than his character.
GG NOMAS!
Fatality did well
Kola my fav
Too bad fatality lost. So tired of Roy every match looks the same. One of the most boring chars to watch
Fr Kola is great but I find Roy so generic and boring to watch.
Try and jab into back air even half as consistently as the way kola does and then tell me how boring roy is. Y’all are just smash simpletons
IMO, Roy is the best character in game. He’s stupidly overpowered. Kill power, range, combos and kill confirms, speed, all in a characters with stupidly good frame data and safety on shield. I can’t think of any character who has everything like that. Usually if they have good frame data, they struggle to kill. Or if they have good kill power, they have slower frame data or smaller hit boxes to compensate. Not Roy. He has it all. His side b is basically a spamable wondering
@@matthewbitter532 You are making all these claims but you can’t do the same with roy. Stop your chatting plenty of characters overpower roy. Kola just outplays players get over it.The fact that you’re saying this shows you are just someone who watches from the sidelines.
@@joeyrusso1783 jab ledge traps aren’t satisfying
ggs
Kola is my guy. Another one
Cuz ur black
I can always count on kola to destroy falcon 👏🏾👏🏾
IMO, Roy is the best character in game. He’s stupidly overpowered. Kill power, range, combos and kill confirms, speed, all in a characters with stupidly good frame data and safety on shield. I can’t think of any character who has everything like that. Usually if they have good frame data, they struggle to kill. Or if they have good kill power, they have slower frame data or smaller hit boxes to compensate. Not Roy. He has it all. His side b is basically a spamable wonderwing
Guy just say you hate roy because what you’re saying is not true at all whatsoever. Learn the match up or keep complaining and losing.
@@joeyrusso1783 how is what I’m saying isn’t true? What weakness does that character has aside from maybe recovery which isn’t bad?
Roy is the best character? I can't say I agree. Roy is pretty good in the neutral game but where he really shines is during advantage state since he's so fast and he's got decent frame data. He can juggle his opponents in the air and wipe the floor with almost anyone in tech situations. The problems start when you go against characters who can outspace Roy with larger hitboxes or have really good out of shield options. But to be honest that isn't so bad if you know how to use your safer moves properly. You can see examples of this in Kola's game vs Mkleo in glitch, mixing aerials with jab to bait people into approaching you recklessly. Projectiles that are fast or can be grabbed also pose a problem since he has no way of negating them beyond his speed.
The real problems start when you end up on a ledge or offstage. Roy absolutely gets murdered in those area's since in a recovery your only option is to mix up the timing of the up B to either just after, or just as they attack since it has a super short window of intangibility which does not work on active hitboxes. Characters who can edgeguard and/or out space Roy will result in suffering.
In this particular case I think Falcon does actually have some stuff on Roy, which are oddly enough kinda similar to things Roy has on a lot of characters. Good punish game and good burst options. However he also has a LOT of disadvantages that outweigh the good. For one Roy's got disjointed hitboxes that make almost any offensive option Falcon has unsafe to use. He doesn't have many good options for out of shield against Roy either beyond very difficult footstool tech that is situational in it's use. The other big issue for Falcon is his inability to punish Roy in his weakest area, offstage. His own recovery isn't particularly good (though I would argue that it's somewhat better then Roy's since landing a hit with it can restore your B options and Falcon's drift is actually pretty good) and if he misses there's a good chance that the Roy could kill him for it either in a reversal or a ledgetrap (Jair, Fsmash, Side B, ect).
As an Ike player I can very much feel Roy's offensive power. But I've also learned that if you can play it safe and wall him off he is forced to play defensive in a way most Roy's aren't prepared for. The second I get him offstage he will die to Ike up B or counter.
This got a bit longer then I intended but hopefully it helps people understand the situations these top players have to deal with.
Pyra and mythra dose it much better
@@DavionLane Not everything. Roy 100% has the edge in shield pressure and explosiveness over them
Kola's hair probably smells bad
@DE Visuals what's BHM? Why don't you spell out the words? Black hoes matter? Black ham Mondays? What does it mean
@@lokks2130 people still sad in 2022. People still happy in 2022.etc..
It's not racist. If you knew what it takes to get that hair style.. you'd know it smells. They sell fragrance product for people with that hair.. it could be a white guy and his hair would probably smell too.. y'all assume and are way to sensitive