Thanks so much for the videos. I am going to buy the Gridboss as soon as i find out all the parts you used. Seems like every time I order something, there's one more piece I needed. So looking forward to the pdf list. Thanks, Jim
Loving your videos and looking forward to your next video showing the install. I saw the gridboss come on the market but didn’t understand what it did. I’m a contractor builder with some wiring experience but get frustrated with a lot of the content out there which assumes you know solar and or just isn’t explained clearly. I want a similar set up with grid back up, no sell back, and also want a way to regulate my hot tub and pool pump (at night, low sun, or grid down) so they won’t drain my batteries quickly since these are my biggest loads. I could also be cooling my well insulated house when hot out and the solar is cranking, not to mention a future EV hook up. The gridboss looks perfect for this and should ultimately allow for a system that requires less battery storage especially being that I’m in a sunny area. Thanks again for a great video. I’m excited about this set up!!
Just used your code to pick up the combo and looking forward for your schematic! I wish there was a way to set up a delay for the Smart Ports on the GridBOSS. This would be especially useful for shutting down an HVAC condenser gracefully to avoid potential damage (with HomeAssistant by turning off cooling if power outage is detected)
Great video as I am a new DIY solar trying to learn. Would you please add to your PDF or an additional video or document on what types of permits, permissions and engineering drawings are needed from the city, power provider, etc for your system, for off grid vs net metering (I know it differs in different locations, but it gives people an idea what it takes to do a DIY solar system). Thank you
###WARNING### If you were contacted to update the grid connection anti rotation brackets on the GridBoss. You may have received torque specs that were WAY too high for the plastic standoffs holding the fuses. The instructions I received specified tightening the screws to 250in/lbs. They should be 80in/lbs according to the EG4 tech I talked to. The spec for the Eaton breaker is only 40 in/lbs so 80 may still be a little high so I am going to use around 60 in/lbs. I checked several of the similar screws and standoffs and none were anywhere near 80 in/lbs.
Just wish I could afford to have my electrician install the Grid Boss when he comes out next free weeks to install an external generator outlet. Would Dave do much money when we can afford battery and solar at year end.
@@guylemire8036 I just finished the install and will release an overview video of how it’s installed next week. I did release the wiring schematic. The link to download that is in the description of this video.
Do you know if this unit can automatically start the generator if the grid goes down? Looking at whole house generator which require the installation of the transfer switch which vendor quotes $700+. Looking next for battery and solar in next phase
So if i have an eg4 18K with batteries and solar panels, would i now direct my solar into the gridboss to manage the power coming in from solar? Or do i leave the solar ran to 18k?
One disadvantage to this over using a couple 10 circuit manual transfer switches is if there is an EMP and the smart circuits fail, will you be able to power your loads? Will you be able to access the Gridboss? With the manual transfer switch there are no smarts to go out. Is this EMP hardened? I don't think EG4 has made that announcement that I've heard on this or the FlexBoss but I suspect the FlexBoss will be. Since the grid port on the inverter is bidirectional can you use that one line to pull energy from the grid to charge the batteries with it? Great job mentioning the idle 20w it uses, that is important and I didn't know that after reading the manual! It also appears it's less efficient than the 18kPV with solar to the battery or solar to the grid. Also - I love your videos. You and I think similarly so that may be why but IMO you do a good job laying out what matters and keeping it clear and concise.
@@reviews2you unofficial word is that the gridboss and flexboss are in the EMP certification process. So hopefully we’ll get confirmation in the future on that. Yes you will be able to grid charge your batteries due to that bidirectional power flow.
Thx for the video it was very informative. To connect the FlexBoss to the GridBoss did you need to get a 90amp breaker? and if I need a 100amp SmartPort breaker can I get one from the hardware or is there an EG4 breaker that I need to get?
@@uali8020 yes you’ll need the 90amp breaker. You’ll need to get it from the supplier you buy your gridboss from. It’s a certain type of breaker that you won’t find at your local hardware store. I’ll have a pdf of all the parts with links to where you can purchase them early next week. As long as you’re on my email list you’ll get it.
If I understood the smartports correctly you could use one of those ports to hook up a 110V generator, correct? I'm looking to just hook up a portable generator in case there is an extended power outage and my solar is not sufficient. not a whole house generator, just a supplement to solar. this way I can avoid having to buy the chargeverter hopefully
Thanks for the post, looking forward to more content.. Say I have the 12000xp off grid, can I just wire it into the generator input of the gridboss, and have it run the loads with grid present at the grid boss, what is the transfer speed between grid and generator input and back to grid, can I choose to stay on generator power?
@@frostyfroze7352 yes you will be able to hook the 6000xp or any other inverter to the generator port to supplement power. I didn’t want to go into detail on that in the video though as it’s not officially stated you can do it in the manual. But I have been told by tech support that is an option.
@ ok yea thanks, Another question, so with the gridboss installed, and the flex boss in a separate garage, can I have a sub panel in the separate garage from the flex boss directly or will that require another wire run form that house panel?
Follow the manual on the install instructions to make sure you meet code requirements. My setup is a temporary setup so I can quickly switch out units to test them.
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@unpluggedtexan Thanks. That makes sense. As long as nobody is watching this for how to install the products at home.
You mentioned only use copper and confirmed in the manual. My 200 amp feed wire is 4/0 triplex (aluminum). If I add the Eaton breaker, aluminum should be fine as the breaker is aluminum rated. Definitely can save money by keeping the aluminum instead of buying 50’ of copper.
I was looking at the Flex/Grid boss combo. But having to run copper from the meter seems crazy to me. Maybe adding a coupler to the aluminum going into the main panel and converting to copper then connecting to the Grid Boss?
I just watched a video where they said that the lugs on the Gridboss aren't large enough to accept the aluminum wire as it is a bigger diameter than the copper.
So if i have 2-2-2 AL SER cable currently running to my garage sub panel, and i want the inverter and batteries in the garage, I cant connect them to the GRIDBOSS back at my panel/meter location? (no AL wire was mentioned)
@@Espiritiv give Signature Solar a call on that one. I believe there are some exceptions. One of their engineers should know for sure, and if not they can put you in touch with EG4.
OK so I took a look at the GridBoss manual and it is conflicting on the temperature. In the specs section it specifies a maximum ambient operating temp of 140 degrees F. But then it adds that lower maximum temp in the written section. I hope this is a typo because if it isnt you would NEVER be able to install one of these in Florida next to your meter if there is any time of the day with sunlight. I guess I will call EG4 monday to confirm as this will cause a complete re-engineering of my system.
@@unpluggedtexan wonder how important it is to not be in direct sunlight here in the NW. ideally, I would install it on the west side of my house. Might have to build something for shade.
@@unpluggedtexan Well I wouldnt call it a mistake, it says in the manual 113 degrees in one spot and 140 in another. I just hope 140 is the right number. :) Great channel you have and I hope this thing is the game changer we think it is.
@ thanks for letting me know it said 113 degrees somewhere in the manual. I was thinking how in the heck I came up with that number after a couple people pointed out that the spec sheet says 140 😂. I knew I read it in the manual!
@@RoyceBluford if using the grid boss with the Flexboss21 you’ll be using the grid port of the flexboss to send power to the gridboss. That’s due to the bi-directional flow of energy the grid port allows. If you’re not using the gridboss then yes you’ll use the load port on the flexboss to send power to you home panel.
Say I have a Flexboss21 a battery bank and panels, can setup the gridboss to run mostly offgrid unless I need to use power from the grid BUT never back feed to the grid? I want to run totally offgrid but have the grid there in an emergency, I never want my power to go back in the grid it's to allways be used or go into my battery bank.
@unpluggedtexan Cool thanks for the quick reply! I currently have the battery's and panels ,I was just making sure the gridboss could do that before I buy one.
SPECULATION (Correct me if this is wrong): In a completely OFF GRID system, I would think that the LOAD L1 & L2 would suffice, since you are never backfeeding the inverters from the Grid. Power is only sent to the Grid Boss from the Inverters. Having said that, if you had multiple inverters in parallel, it would seem you could supply the output from each system to the Grid Boss, without having to compensate for Phase, and the Grid Boss would balance usage from all sources. So if you had 2 18kPVs in parallel, couldn’t you take the output into one port on the GRID BOSS from that entire system, and then if you add two 21kPV in parallel use a second port, leaving the 3rd port for future expansion?
Even if it would work, you would have the limit of 90A in on each of the Inverter inputs. I think it would be more cost effective for a fully off-grid setup to wire things the "normal" way and forget using the Gridboss.
EG4 does rigorous field testing before releasing their products. That being said, it is a new product so I’m sure there will be some bugs that will need to be worked out. But I’m pretty confident this will end up working as expected.
I started installing my Flexboss and Gridboss today. When setting up the Flexboss, the manual states you have to enable the MIDBOX setting under advanced settings , or Gridboss will not turn on. (and it didn't) In the App and the EG4 Monitor website, the MIDBOX tab isn't there even after the firmware update. Also, Signature Solar tech support looked at my setup/system and is at a loss on what to do. I got the Flexboss wired and powered up, but the Gridboss is not playing nice..... Was told I need to wait until Monday for the really smart EG4 guys to come to work. 😢
Thats good to know. I have not turned anything on yet and there will be a slight delay waiting for the 90a breaker anyway and my battery firmware update cable. Guess I accidentally dodged a bullet. Except that no mounting in the sun for the Gridboss may have me redesigning now.
@jerryfaircloth I have to update one of my batteries also. Tested the RSD, and only one battery tripped the breaker. Also, I got an email that my 90 amp breaker shipped today. I used the 80 amp breaker just to get things going (or trying to.)
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I’ve been waiting for an actual install video of the gridboss. Glad you’re the first one I enjoy your content.
this is fantastic! The wiring guide you made is exactly what I have been looking for! Thank you for the great content!
Thanks so much for the videos. I am going to buy the Gridboss as soon as i find out all the parts you used. Seems like every time I order something, there's one more piece I needed. So looking forward to the pdf list. Thanks, Jim
@@jameskaiser175 I should have that done by early next week.
Loving your videos and looking forward to your next video showing the install. I saw the gridboss come on the market but didn’t understand what it did. I’m a contractor builder with some wiring experience but get frustrated with a lot of the content out there which assumes you know solar and or just isn’t explained clearly. I want a similar set up with grid back up, no sell back, and also want a way to regulate my hot tub and pool pump (at night, low sun, or grid down) so they won’t drain my batteries quickly since these are my biggest loads. I could also be cooling my well insulated house when hot out and the solar is cranking, not to mention a future EV hook up. The gridboss looks perfect for this and should ultimately allow for a system that requires less battery storage especially being that I’m in a sunny area. Thanks again for a great video. I’m excited about this set up!!
Great video! Thank you for the easy to follow walkthrough. Subscribed.
Just used your code to pick up the combo and looking forward for your schematic!
I wish there was a way to set up a delay for the Smart Ports on the GridBOSS. This would be especially useful for shutting down an HVAC condenser gracefully to avoid potential damage (with HomeAssistant by turning off cooling if power outage is detected)
Very nice setup. Very clean
Great video as I am a new DIY solar trying to learn. Would you please add to your PDF or an additional video or document on what types of permits, permissions and engineering drawings are needed from the city, power provider, etc for your system, for off grid vs net metering (I know it differs in different locations, but it gives people an idea what it takes to do a DIY solar system). Thank you
###WARNING### If you were contacted to update the grid connection anti rotation brackets on the GridBoss. You may have received torque specs that were WAY too high for the plastic standoffs holding the fuses. The instructions I received specified tightening the screws to 250in/lbs. They should be 80in/lbs according to the EG4 tech I talked to. The spec for the Eaton breaker is only 40 in/lbs so 80 may still be a little high so I am going to use around 60 in/lbs. I checked several of the similar screws and standoffs and none were anywhere near 80 in/lbs.
Can you do a follow up video of just the EG4 mobile and webapps? Very curious about the UI and the behavior when the external internet goes down
Needs labels on the Smart Ports telling you the AMPS!
Just wish I could afford to have my electrician install the Grid Boss when he comes out next free weeks to install an external generator outlet. Would Dave do much money when we can afford battery and solar at year end.
When will you have the install video up? i am looking at purchasing a gridboss, flexboss and 3 EG4 batteries....thank you for the great information
@@guylemire8036 I just finished the install and will release an overview video of how it’s installed next week. I did release the wiring schematic. The link to download that is in the description of this video.
Will the sol ark do the same as both of them?
why not just get the 18kpv? is it worth the added cost? i know 16kw output is very nice and that would be why i would get it, but are BOTH needed?
400 amp service with 2 200A legs. Do I need one for each leg? Or will it back feed into the other leg as needed?
Just looking at a home generator so could it feed into the grid boss generator port? Thinking of have both generator and solar
@@MyGuyKirby yep sure can.
Do you know if this unit can automatically start the generator if the grid goes down? Looking at whole house generator which require the installation of the transfer switch which vendor quotes $700+. Looking next for battery and solar in next phase
@@MyGuyKirby yes it can auto start a generator.
Will this run my 27kw tankless water heater? It draws 113 amps when in use.
So if i have an eg4 18K with batteries and solar panels, would i now direct my solar into the gridboss to manage the power coming in from solar? Or do i leave the solar ran to 18k?
One disadvantage to this over using a couple 10 circuit manual transfer switches is if there is an EMP and the smart circuits fail, will you be able to power your loads? Will you be able to access the Gridboss? With the manual transfer switch there are no smarts to go out. Is this EMP hardened? I don't think EG4 has made that announcement that I've heard on this or the FlexBoss but I suspect the FlexBoss will be. Since the grid port on the inverter is bidirectional can you use that one line to pull energy from the grid to charge the batteries with it? Great job mentioning the idle 20w it uses, that is important and I didn't know that after reading the manual! It also appears it's less efficient than the 18kPV with solar to the battery or solar to the grid.
Also - I love your videos. You and I think similarly so that may be why but IMO you do a good job laying out what matters and keeping it clear and concise.
@@reviews2you unofficial word is that the gridboss and flexboss are in the EMP certification process. So hopefully we’ll get confirmation in the future on that. Yes you will be able to grid charge your batteries due to that bidirectional power flow.
Thx for the video it was very informative. To connect the FlexBoss to the GridBoss did you need to get a 90amp breaker? and if I need a 100amp SmartPort breaker can I get one from the hardware or is there an EG4 breaker that I need to get?
@@uali8020 yes you’ll need the 90amp breaker. You’ll need to get it from the supplier you buy your gridboss from. It’s a certain type of breaker that you won’t find at your local hardware store. I’ll have a pdf of all the parts with links to where you can purchase them early next week. As long as you’re on my email list you’ll get it.
It looks like the settings for the INVERTERS would be full time export, any time of use settings would be in the gridboss itself
@@michiganengineer8621 yes that is correct.
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If I understood the smartports correctly you could use one of those ports to hook up a 110V generator, correct? I'm looking to just hook up a portable generator in case there is an extended power outage and my solar is not sufficient. not a whole house generator, just a supplement to solar. this way I can avoid having to buy the chargeverter hopefully
Thanks for the post, looking forward to more content..
Say I have the 12000xp off grid, can I just wire it into the generator input of the gridboss, and have it run the loads with grid present at the grid boss, what is the transfer speed between grid and generator input and back to grid, can I choose to stay on generator power?
@@frostyfroze7352 yes you will be able to hook the 6000xp or any other inverter to the generator port to supplement power. I didn’t want to go into detail on that in the video though as it’s not officially stated you can do it in the manual. But I have been told by tech support that is an option.
@ ok yea thanks,
Another question, so with the gridboss installed, and the flex boss in a separate garage, can I have a sub panel in the separate garage from the flex boss directly or will that require another wire run form that house panel?
Can it be mounted inside? Is there a remote disconnect button that goes outside?
@@tinysparky yes it can be mounted inside. And yes you can add a rapid disconnect switch outside.
The manual states that it's not to be installed on a flammable material. Is the wood wall a problem?
Follow the manual on the install instructions to make sure you meet code requirements. My setup is a temporary setup so I can quickly switch out units to test them.
@unpluggedtexan Thanks. That makes sense. As long as nobody is watching this for how to install the products at home.
@UnpluggedTexan FYI weird break at 9:28
@@joshuadiaz6914 wish I had a budget for a pro editing crew. I’m a one man show 🤷♂️.
Looking forward to the PDF!
Add me to your list please.
Thank you
You mentioned only use copper and confirmed in the manual. My 200 amp feed wire is 4/0 triplex (aluminum). If I add the Eaton breaker, aluminum should be fine as the breaker is aluminum rated. Definitely can save money by keeping the aluminum instead of buying 50’ of copper.
I was looking at the Flex/Grid boss combo. But having to run copper from the meter seems crazy to me. Maybe adding a coupler to the aluminum going into the main panel and converting to copper then connecting to the Grid Boss?
I just watched a video where they said that the lugs on the Gridboss aren't large enough to accept the aluminum wire as it is a bigger diameter than the copper.
You can use aluminum if you are using the Eaton breaker.
So if i have 2-2-2 AL SER cable currently running to my garage sub panel, and i want the inverter and batteries in the garage, I cant connect them to the GRIDBOSS back at my panel/meter location? (no AL wire was mentioned)
@@Espiritiv give Signature Solar a call on that one. I believe there are some exceptions. One of their engineers should know for sure, and if not they can put you in touch with EG4.
OK so I took a look at the GridBoss manual and it is conflicting on the temperature. In the specs section it specifies a maximum ambient operating temp of 140 degrees F. But then it adds that lower maximum temp in the written section. I hope this is a typo because if it isnt you would NEVER be able to install one of these in Florida next to your meter if there is any time of the day with sunlight. I guess I will call EG4 monday to confirm as this will cause a complete re-engineering of my system.
@@jerryfaircloth yeah my mistake. I actually just added a caption to the video correcting that. It has a 140F degree max operating temp.
@@unpluggedtexan wonder how important it is to not be in direct sunlight here in the NW. ideally, I would install it on the west side of my house. Might have to build something for shade.
I'm placing one in a conditioned Orlando garage to extend its life
@@unpluggedtexan Well I wouldnt call it a mistake, it says in the manual 113 degrees in one spot and 140 in another. I just hope 140 is the right number. :) Great channel you have and I hope this thing is the game changer we think it is.
@ thanks for letting me know it said 113 degrees somewhere in the manual. I was thinking how in the heck I came up with that number after a couple people pointed out that the spec sheet says 140 😂. I knew I read it in the manual!
I'm doing a whole house backup, so I guess that comes from the flex boss load port.
@@RoyceBluford if using the grid boss with the Flexboss21 you’ll be using the grid port of the flexboss to send power to the gridboss. That’s due to the bi-directional flow of energy the grid port allows. If you’re not using the gridboss then yes you’ll use the load port on the flexboss to send power to you home panel.
@unpluggedtexan yes! I will be using the grid boss. I thought inverter port from GB to FB, then load port from FB to your load panel.
Say I have a Flexboss21 a battery bank and panels, can setup the gridboss to run mostly offgrid unless I need to use power from the grid BUT never back feed to the grid? I want to run totally offgrid but have the grid there in an emergency, I never want my power to go back in the grid it's to allways be used or go into my battery bank.
@@corruptkode yes you can do that. That is exactly how I am using it.
@unpluggedtexan Cool thanks for the quick reply! I currently have the battery's and panels ,I was just making sure the gridboss could do that before I buy one.
Will the sol ark do what both of them do.
SPECULATION (Correct me if this is wrong):
In a completely OFF GRID system,
I would think that the LOAD L1 & L2 would suffice, since you are never backfeeding the inverters from the Grid. Power is only sent to the Grid Boss from the Inverters.
Having said that, if you had multiple inverters in parallel,
it would seem you could supply the output from each system to the Grid Boss, without having to compensate for Phase, and the Grid Boss would balance usage from all sources.
So if you had 2 18kPVs in parallel,
couldn’t you take the output into one port on the GRID BOSS from that entire system, and then if you add two 21kPV in parallel use a second port, leaving the 3rd port for future expansion?
i now think my above assumptions are INCORRECT
Even if it would work, you would have the limit of 90A in on each of the Inverter inputs. I think it would be more cost effective for a fully off-grid setup to wire things the "normal" way and forget using the Gridboss.
Was going to buy one but it is rated for only copper cables and not aluminum. Guys make sure for your setup.
Check with Signature Solar on that. I believe there may be an exception based on a video I watched from EG4’s CEO.
Everyone talking about what it can do not one person has connected it so far. How do you know it can do what you are saying?
EG4 does rigorous field testing before releasing their products. That being said, it is a new product so I’m sure there will be some bugs that will need to be worked out. But I’m pretty confident this will end up working as expected.
I’ve been using it for 3 days. So far working flawless with 18K PV.
I started installing my Flexboss and Gridboss today.
When setting up the Flexboss, the manual states you have to enable the MIDBOX setting under advanced settings , or Gridboss will not turn on. (and it didn't)
In the App and the EG4 Monitor website, the MIDBOX tab isn't there even after the firmware update. Also, Signature Solar tech support looked at my setup/system and is at a loss on what to do. I got the Flexboss wired and powered up, but the Gridboss is not playing nice..... Was told I need to wait until Monday for the really smart EG4 guys to come to work. 😢
Thats good to know. I have not turned anything on yet and there will be a slight delay waiting for the 90a breaker anyway and my battery firmware update cable. Guess I accidentally dodged a bullet. Except that no mounting in the sun for the Gridboss may have me redesigning now.
@jerryfaircloth I have to update one of my batteries also. Tested the RSD, and only one battery tripped the breaker. Also, I got an email that my 90 amp breaker shipped today.
I used the 80 amp breaker just to get things going (or trying to.)
Had the same issue. Philip in tech support got it up and going. Been working great.
Those tariff are going to priceout all Chinese products... get it while is hot.
But ummm, this isn’t a battery. 🤷♂️
I was under the impression that it was a blanket tariff on everything coming out of China @@Dmkjr
You sound like an idiot. Biden’s current tariffs on China are higher than when Trump was in office 🤡
So they finally caught up to others like Schneider who have had these type of units for quite a while.
This comment couldn’t be farther from the truth, your stupid is showing. These new units blows every other company out of the water
@@andyfromtoystory7426 well you do you. Your ignorance is showing. I will pray for you.
@@user-ei3ml8jo1s Save your prayers and show me a 100% comparable or better product from any other company as the gridboss.
I’ve been waiting for an actual install video of the gridboss. Glad you’re the first one I enjoy your content.