So far in my testing, I can tell there was a lot of care put to it. Its definitely one of the best out there right now. I have yet to even dive in to the mic settings and customizations, just playing the default and included kit settings the sound is very impressive.
Hi Nate, thanks for the great Video! I just wanted to admit, that the drums you loved so much are not "Maple" drums! They are not even wood! You don t get that sound with any type of wood shell. The description of the used the Masshoff "Twinshell" Drum Kit is not correct. The huge sounding toms 13x9,16x14,18x14 are made out of a special shaped and hand welded stainless steel shell. The 24x14 bass drum has the same stainless steel shell but with an additional 6 ply 23,5" maple shell inside.The huge 28"x14 with the calf heads on is my aged mahogany shell version. The Twinshell snare drum 14x6,5 is called Avalon and has an outer solid die cast steel shell (16lbs) with an inner retractable maple shell. You get the precision and cut from the outer shell and the warmth of the maple. The other Masshoff Snares on this sampler are the 14x8 Big Chief (solid die cast, 18lbs)) and Michael Ilberts gold ceramic baked Big chief 14x8. all the drums are sounding different because they are made different with different materials. If you have any further questions please feel free to drop me a line I am happy to help! I am stocked you liked the sounds so much. Made my day! cheers, Udo Masshoff
Wow, Udo very cool to hear from you. Thanks for chiming in and giving these corrections with proper information. Yes, these drums they chose for the Hansa Rooms were top choice, the Masshoff drums samples turned out nicely. Do you think the final audio heard are a decent representation of the Masshoff drum instruments? (I know a digital sample wont compete with the real thing, but maybe give us a taste ;-) That Masshoff 24" steel/maple inner bass drum in the Live room is fantastic, and my favorite bass drum of any drum sample library I've tried yet. I adore the snare sound and is on my top list of Toontrack snare drums right along with the vintage Ludwig metal snares (which I own the real thing of as well ;-P )
@@natefromdetroit Hi Nate, I think the sound is captured in the best possible way. The whole session was crazy, I work with Michael Ilbert for 10 years or so and he just knows what he wants and he is the most picky producer when it comes to drums ever. He was a drummer himself. At the end of the day from a distant every drum just sounds like a drum. What you can t capture is what your body feels when you hit those drums. Your body shakes and you can t stop playing. My snare drums are built on the shoulder of the Paiste snare drum. It is the solid die cast shell that separates those drums from any other shell construction. I wanted to add more sensitiveness and high frequencies so I went with the steel instead of the highly expensive brass shell. I did also bell brass drums but the only difference between brass and steel is a slightly lower pitch and less overtones. You can t achieve this cutting punch with a light shell. I went to stainless steel for bass and toms because it is a material that has incredible highs, mids and lows. BUT if you build a steel shell in the traditional way with no bearing edge (like a lot of hip companies make them) or crimped edges like on a snare drum the shell does not have a lot of tension and the high frequencies are some what missing (see the old Ludwig Stainless steel). They are powerful with lots of lows but have nothing "jazzy" in em. This is simply the cheapest way to turn a sheet of metal into a drum. My shells are hand welded in Berlin. They are under tension and sing like bells when you tap the shells, they are more like Gretsches on steroids.There has never been a shell like this before. That is the reason why you love that sound so much (and you thought it was maple!!). I owned over 100 drum kits and this kit is miles above anything. Unfortunately they are so incredibly expensive to make that only big studios like the Hansa, Charlie Watts or other well known people happily pay for them. I never intended to start a drum company I just wanted to create the drums for my studio work based on 27 years of recording, collecting and playing. Those drums are just built for the sake of it not with any commercial thoughts.Never the less they are on my website: www.masshoffdrums.com. The good news is that now everybody can happily enjoy those sounds via Toontrack and be creative with them. best, Udo
Love this video! I'm not sure you went into any kits like this, but I would love to hear more super dry/tight/muffled kits. Like from the 60s-70s. Super dead with no ring at all. Thinking of buying SD3 for my new eDrum kit.
(@nate what e drums you use here? by the way...muller preset is killer too ^^ ) its amazing.... since progressive foundry from 2015 toontrack made a big step in terms of recording quallity the problem is ...its almost impossible to make it better their last sdx (deacades, death & darkness & rooms of hansa) all were great and its all bout personal taste my 3 favourite SDX so far are: 1: DEATH & DARKNESS 2: ROOMS OF HANSA 3: ROCK FOUNDRY
Marc V. Mine is Death and Darkness, Decades and Rooms of Hansa, Progressive Foundry is great too and I still use it. It was their breakthrough in terms of dynamics and details in the samples
at about 1min35seconds in I talk about the edrums I'm using to trigger and a few details on the settings.. To keep standard for the testing it was a stock setting Roland TD-1 kit , pdx-8 snare pad, and then for some extra pads for cymbals or percussion theres a Roland SPD-30 over at the right of the kit. KD-85 for the kick. On some of the kits I've since added in some of the wahan octoban toms or roto toms, they cut thru and sound sweet in that room for some Neil Peart runs n such.. but today I've been mainly addicted to the Meistersaal room Twin Shell Alt kit non-tweaked.. everything is nicely dialed in right out of the box. I posted a quick couple measures of playing today on my instagram story. Rock Foundry is some series gear as well, great toms, mostly finished compressed settings. An EZ kit worth checking out is the PopRock, they did some magic on that one too, especially for its size. Oh i think it can get better :)) Electric hi-hats are pretty close but still need some work.. Dynamics have came along way with Toontrack smashin it at this point, imho...I've been working on a sample kit in my side burner spare time as well, hopefully to put out there someday. hehe.
@@XiyuYang I gotta check out this D&D kit now haha.. I was really enjoying Decades and just started to graze in to it but got it just a week or so before this Hansa came out and took over lol.This Hansa library was promoted well also, so with the hype promotion and the actual experience I feel like the guy in that Maxell tape advertisement.
When you are using midi drums....If you hold down the ctrl or cmd key (not at my drums right now) when you click to change kit it should keep your midi mapping.
In this video I am triggering with the Roland TD-1 with a PDX-8 Snare.. There is is also a SPD 30 at the side. I like using equipment for videos that are affordable and easily obtainable.
Thanx Doug! I am editing a video First Look of Toontrack's Death & Darkness library right now and should be posted soon. Make sure to subscribe not to miss it :)
this library sounds like the best I have heard
So far in my testing, I can tell there was a lot of care put to it. Its definitely one of the best out there right now. I have yet to even dive in to the mic settings and customizations, just playing the default and included kit settings the sound is very impressive.
same.... amazing
Hi Nate, thanks for the great Video! I just wanted to admit, that the drums you loved so much are not "Maple" drums! They are not even wood! You don t get that sound with any type of wood shell. The description of the used the Masshoff "Twinshell" Drum Kit is not correct. The huge sounding toms 13x9,16x14,18x14 are made out of a special shaped and hand welded stainless steel shell. The 24x14 bass drum has the same stainless steel shell but with an additional 6 ply 23,5" maple shell inside.The huge 28"x14 with the calf heads on is my aged mahogany shell version. The Twinshell snare drum 14x6,5 is called Avalon and has an outer solid die cast steel shell (16lbs) with an inner retractable maple shell. You get the precision and cut from the outer shell and the warmth of the maple. The other Masshoff Snares on this sampler are the 14x8 Big Chief (solid die cast, 18lbs)) and Michael Ilberts gold ceramic baked Big chief 14x8. all the drums are sounding different because they are made different with different materials. If you have any further questions please feel free to drop me a line I am happy to help! I am stocked you liked the sounds so much. Made my day! cheers, Udo Masshoff
Wow, Udo very cool to hear from you. Thanks for chiming in and giving these corrections with proper information. Yes, these drums they chose for the Hansa Rooms were top choice, the Masshoff drums samples turned out nicely. Do you think the final audio heard are a decent representation of the Masshoff drum instruments? (I know a digital sample wont compete with the real thing, but maybe give us a taste ;-) That Masshoff 24" steel/maple inner bass drum in the Live room is fantastic, and my favorite bass drum of any drum sample library I've tried yet. I adore the snare sound and is on my top list of Toontrack snare drums right along with the vintage Ludwig metal snares (which I own the real thing of as well ;-P )
@@natefromdetroit
Hi Nate, I think the sound is captured in the best possible way. The whole session was crazy, I work with Michael Ilbert for 10 years or so and he just knows what he wants and he is the most picky producer when it comes to drums ever. He was a drummer himself. At the end of the day from a distant every drum just sounds like a drum. What you can t capture is what your body feels when you hit those drums. Your body shakes and you can t stop playing. My snare drums are built on the shoulder of the Paiste snare drum. It is the solid die cast shell that separates those drums from any other shell construction. I wanted to add more sensitiveness and high frequencies so I went with the steel instead of the highly expensive brass shell. I did also bell brass drums but the only difference between brass and steel is a slightly lower pitch and less overtones. You can t achieve this cutting punch with a light shell.
I went to stainless steel for bass and toms because it is a material that has incredible highs, mids and lows. BUT if you build a steel shell in the traditional way with no bearing edge (like a lot of hip companies make them) or crimped edges like on a snare drum the shell does not have a lot of tension and the high frequencies are some what missing (see the old Ludwig Stainless steel). They are powerful with lots of lows but have nothing "jazzy" in em. This is simply the cheapest way to turn a sheet of metal into a drum. My shells are hand welded in Berlin. They are under tension and sing like bells when you tap the shells, they are more like Gretsches on steroids.There has never been a shell like this before. That is the reason why you love that sound so much (and you thought it was maple!!). I owned over 100 drum kits and this kit is miles above anything. Unfortunately they are so incredibly expensive to make that only big studios like the Hansa, Charlie Watts or other well known people happily pay for them. I never intended to start a drum company I just wanted to create the drums for my studio work based on 27 years of recording, collecting and playing. Those drums are just built for the sake of it not with any commercial thoughts.Never the less they are on my website: www.masshoffdrums.com. The good news is that now everybody can happily enjoy those sounds via Toontrack and be creative with them. best, Udo
Love this video! I'm not sure you went into any kits like this, but I would love to hear more super dry/tight/muffled kits. Like from the 60s-70s. Super dead with no ring at all.
Thinking of buying SD3 for my new eDrum kit.
(@nate what e drums you use here? by the way...muller preset is killer too ^^ )
its amazing....
since progressive foundry from 2015 toontrack made a big step in terms of recording quallity
the problem is ...its almost impossible to make it better
their last sdx (deacades, death & darkness & rooms of hansa) all were great and its all bout personal taste
my 3 favourite SDX so far are:
1: DEATH & DARKNESS
2: ROOMS OF HANSA
3: ROCK FOUNDRY
Marc V. Mine is Death and Darkness, Decades and Rooms of Hansa, Progressive Foundry is great too and I still use it. It was their breakthrough in terms of dynamics and details in the samples
at about 1min35seconds in I talk about the edrums I'm using to trigger and a few details on the settings.. To keep standard for the testing it was a stock setting Roland TD-1 kit , pdx-8 snare pad, and then for some extra pads for cymbals or percussion theres a Roland SPD-30 over at the right of the kit. KD-85 for the kick. On some of the kits I've since added in some of the wahan octoban toms or roto toms, they cut thru and sound sweet in that room for some Neil Peart runs n such.. but today I've been mainly addicted to the Meistersaal room Twin Shell Alt kit non-tweaked.. everything is nicely dialed in right out of the box. I posted a quick couple measures of playing today on my instagram story. Rock Foundry is some series gear as well, great toms, mostly finished compressed settings. An EZ kit worth checking out is the PopRock, they did some magic on that one too, especially for its size. Oh i think it can get better :)) Electric hi-hats are pretty close but still need some work.. Dynamics have came along way with Toontrack smashin it at this point, imho...I've been working on a sample kit in my side burner spare time as well, hopefully to put out there someday. hehe.
@@XiyuYang I gotta check out this D&D kit now haha.. I was really enjoying Decades and just started to graze in to it but got it just a week or so before this Hansa came out and took over lol.This Hansa library was promoted well also, so with the hype promotion and the actual experience I feel like the guy in that Maxell tape advertisement.
@@natefromdetroit would be nice to see a video while you review and check out d&d sdx...coz if u love the hansa sdx d&d will be mindblowin ;)
@@justin1603 sounds fun.. I'll definitely be doing that!
When you are using midi drums....If you hold down the ctrl or cmd key (not at my drums right now) when you click to change kit it should keep your midi mapping.
actually that last preset vocal room sounded like the kit from the coma doors Brick house.
Waited for a Black Friday Sale on this cause it's $179...guess what? NOT ON SALE!!!! DAT SUCKS! :)
What kit are you playing?
In this video I am triggering with the Roland TD-1 with a PDX-8 Snare.. There is is also a SPD 30 at the side. I like using equipment for videos that are affordable and easily obtainable.
what is drum?
Less talking, more playing.
This was a really great presentation from the edrummer point of view - thanks!
Thanx Doug! I am editing a video First Look of Toontrack's Death & Darkness library right now and should be posted soon. Make sure to subscribe not to miss it :)
@@natefromdetroit Subscribed - cool that Udo Masshoff got on and commented!