I'm filipino too, and now that I live alone i have my A/C at 68-70. I Live in vegas so its always hot. But i understand why my parents refuse to use a/c much after i see the bills lol
the important part you are missing is the tatami.(not the thin "gozo" but the 2" thick ones) They are like the box spring in a western bed. They not only add cushion, circulate air (insulating / cooling) helping to prevent mold on the Shikibuton but also smell nice. Shikibuton were traditional used in tatami rooms though those are becoming less frequently seen in modern Japanese houses. it's also common to use an additional thin cushion mat in between the tatami and mattress for added comfort or a foldable wooden slated frame instead of a tatami. But more and more modern Japanese are sleeping in western style beds. the word futon is referring to the complete bedding including the sheets, blanket and pillows.
Also I’ve heard that some Asians have flatter backs while many westerners or specifically white people have a curved back that may back harder mats not work so well. Now if you had a cushion on that area or if you wether overly heavy and there was some support instead of just an actual mat it may work and it may depend on how much of a curve you have. One experts in the sleep stuff was asked about it and mentioned that as to why that might work for some and less so for others. Of course I don’t know maybe if other things are healthy your body might handle the difference better or adapt to it I don’t know.
@@ComeAlongKay That's interesting to me, because I tried a futon out for a bit after my first back surgery. I really wish I had invested in some tatami mats, might've had better luck. I wanted to love it and enjoyed it at first, but eventually my back was getting worse, so I had to change my bed setup again. After I finally had a couple discs replaced, my doc was looking at my old x-rays vs my new ones, and noted that I had gotten back 15° of curvature in my lower back. Idk if the futon had anything to do with it, but I think your comment is just interesting given the specific context. Makes me wonder
This is the joys of seeing how people live in other places. here in the desert, we have to be worried about scorpions crawling around on the ground, so this would NEVER be a possibility, but it's cool nontheless.
you have scorpions in your house? how the heck? i NEVER leave my house doors open. if im at someone elses house and they leave the door open i shut it even. i used to have a roomate that would leave the door open when he would hangout on the front porch and i haaaated that, lizards and crap would get in the house all the time because of that...
i was thinking the exact same thing, i live in the desert too and i've been bitten by spiders before in my bed just from a cover drooping on the ground and while i'm not worried about things being in my bed i'd rather not get stung by a bark or centipede or something. I like firm beds and rooms without clutter but for now my twin will have to do.
Hey homey, you might want to invest in a tatami mat for your setup. Its essential for keeping your bedding from molding and added support. You can find foldable ones as well👍🏽
It's not necessary to use a tatami mat. It doesn't matter. Maybe if you are somewhere that gets super humid, then sure. I've been fine in NYC just putting my futon on the floor and flipping it over every week. No signs of mold after a couple years doing this.
@@stopmotiontacos Yeah and Sacramento it really doesn't get humid here most of the time it's a mid to dry heat just depends how your indoor AC habits influence that
Yeah it completely depends on where you live. I bought one from a Japanese manufacturer in LA and they explained tatami mats aren’t essential for our weather
I lived in Japan a long time ago. I have four kids now. Japanese futons are awesome. They free up a lot of room for activities. Kids love them. They know they can have western beds any time. From 19 to 2, they have no desire for one.
@@marshmellowbit3 i mean, im a 6'1" of mexican and dutch descent and sleep on a shikibution as well. I dont think its a matter of physiology. The futon is "less comfortable" especially at first, but it really does realign your back and improve your posture. You become healthier and stronger; then you adapt and it becomes comfortable to sleep this way. The other pro's mentioned in the video are all massive too
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A Japanese Futon is also so easy to clean, you clean the sheets as normal and just take the futon out on a deck and give it a whack with a sturdy stick or wooden rod to get everything out, at least that is how I used mine when I had used one in Japan.
Old(ish) dude with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome and pretty bad back problems here. I bought my first futon mattress 2017 and oh man, I'm sleeping so much better. But I have mine up on a breathable base.
Omg thank you for this, signed, One Zebra to another❤ seriously bless you. Ive been wondering if these would help with my sleep and those bed ridden "no spoons" days.
@@heavenwilson6776 I also have H-EDS, and I noticed a difference in the amount my body could relax sleeping on the floor. It took me about 2 weeks to get used to it and not have any bruise-like pain. I've noticed when I sleep on a regular mattress, my whole body feels tense, and it's nearly impossible for me to relax the muscles.
@@heavenwilson6776 Sorry for the late reply. Brain fog is real! 😅 Those no spons left days have also become better. Because i can actually stay in bed longer without more pain. I know it's individual of course. But I just can't do box springs or soft mattresses.
I'm a 73 year old active athlete with chronic SI joint pain. It acts up after a run or long bicycle ride. Tried yoga, collagen, you name it. Everything. Out of sheer desperation, I somehow got the idea to pull out this old futon from storage that my second wife left here which I never used. The first night I slept better than expected. After the second night I noticed my SI joint felt better than it had for months. Now, after a week my SI joint pain is gone totally. I do tend to roll around more on the futon than my tempurpedic but overall I feel more rested upon awakening. I'm ditching my old bed and going with the futon. It's much more healthful
When my gf and I started living together she noticed how much back pain I had in the mornings. She recommended this and we've been doing this for almost a month now. My back pain & neck pain are gone, my posture noticeably improved, and I feel so well rested when I wake up.
@@dumbeezy5480 Great, my back pain is non existent. The funny thing is we travelled twice and stayed at hotels. My back immediately started hurting again after sleeping on the soft mattress.
This thing costs $536 on Amazon Canada. My god. I’ve been interested in one of these for years, but having a hard time getting my girlfriend to agree to using one, haha.
My husband sleeps in the bed and I sleep on my Shikibuton. I can climb up to visit him any time but at least I’m getting solid sleep now. (I was a sleep apnea sufferer. Shikibuton cured it.) -UPDATE I put two twin XL frames together. A regular mattress that my husband wants on an 8”tall frame. My frame is 14” high with smooth wood sheets and my thin shikibuton on that. Makes one large king bed. At least we are sleeping next to each other now. I’ve essentially built a raised floor.
Can't get away with that in Australia lmao. The amount of lizards, bugs and spiders that get into our home makes sleeping on the floor a very anxiety-inducing experience.
Can't those things crawl up the legs of the bed? A raised bed doesn't seem like it would prevent those things from getting into your bed. I guess it couldn't hurt though.
@@namjoonie936 That's true. Probably have to take a look at the fly screen bc we definitely leave the doors shut, we've got two indoor cats with FIV so can't risk them getting out.
The trend from the last decade or so for "Memory foam" mattresses is a scam. Since i got one, my sleep has deteriorated because it does not dissipate heat like a normal spring mattress would; it does the opposite: it accumulates your body heat and sends it back to you in a closed loop. It makes me wake up in the middle of the night due to being too hot, and sweating, and I have to take off a blanket, and it's still too hot. I am looking for a non-foam, flippable spring mattress now. Having seen your video, it reminded me of my college years, when I did have a very nice fat, thick futon bed and I know I loved it. Reconsidering now. Thanks.
@@RyuzakiPragmaticoSome people, including myself never use AC when sleeping, even on Vacation in Egypt or Greece when it’s +40C. I put the AC on max for few hours before sleep and turn it off when I’m back in the room.
@@AK_Catholic_Traditional i use, and my AC on an confortable temperature (25ºC), thats no need to "put AC on max". the only problem with AC is that the air tends to become drier, but the solution for that problem is humidifier, with that combination i sleep without problems.
That's interesting that you say that, because being warmer is actually exactly why I like my memory foam mattress. I run very very cold, and I have hypermobile joints that need the cushioning because on a firm bed my joints get pushed nearly out of place and I wake up with pinched nerves in the middle of the night. Memory foam mattresses definitely do run warm and they're in no way a one-mattress-fits-all situation, and I wish the marketing would adjust to better explain that.
i moved out of an apartment a few years ago and forgot my tatami bed setup in the storage room. i miss it so much! i had the best sleep ever on that thing!
I have been sleeping on a shikibuton for coming up on five months now! I bought it almost a year ago and used it as a reward to downsize my possessions. I've never been happier existing in a clean and minimal space. Also with sleeping on the floor, I can finally enjoy the full length windows we have in this house! It feels so good to wake up to light streaming in the window next to me rather than the light always being obscured by big oversized western furniture. Mine is a eXTRA firm 1" 'infirmary' style. It was $70 and is basically the equivalent to a disposable option as you can get. Unfortunately it still cost $300 to ship it so I might as well have gotten a super fancy one. When I reach twelve months of use, I think I will reward myself with a proper set that's 3" or 4" with tatami 💖 never going back to big, bulky, heavy, junk furniture!
Physically jumped when your face appeared and I realized that you’re the fixed gear bicycle guy I watched and enjoyed so many years ago. Great video man thank you!
To be completely fair, 'critters' are really common here in Asia but we make it work with a lot of floor furniture because every corner of the room is easy to clean because you don't have a bunch of big permanent furniture that they use to hatch eggs inside of or something. Cleaning the floor area of your room daily is really easy when there's nothing in the way, and it reduces the chances that a critter could be attracted to enter the room. Plus concerning stuff like rats and cockroaches are big enough that there are physical ways to stop them from encroaching onto your sleeping space. Not sure about bed bugs, but I bet there are less chances a floor bed would have bed bugs if you get into the enforced habit of hanging it out in the sun every time you don't use it, but not sure. Definitely not saying that you can't get into close encounters with insects on the floor, but it's definitely possible to avoid it. Obviously if you don't wanna take the risk then getting a bed frame is still nice, just takes up more permanent space.
This video’s timing is impeccable because I’m about to graduate from my college and go to grad school. That means moving from a dorm to an apartment and I was just thinking about my bed options. Thanks for the vid, might go for this bed instead of a traditional one!
I just got a twin japanese futon in feb. Wow! I love it! Keep telling everyone. My back pain is nearly gone. Also, pre menopausal and this really helps at night. And i sleep in a different room than my husband. No more snoring.
Made this change a little over a year ago, but I went the route of loft bed + tatami mat + futon to increase space in my room. I've enjoyed the sleep I've gotten from it! I think one benefit I've derived from the experience is just gaining the ability to sleep anywhere after adjusting to the firmness. Great video, hope more people try this out!
I want to give this a shot. One advantage I see in this set up is cleaning up the room is relatively easy. Simply fold up the futon and tatami mat, sweep, mop and scrub the floors, get rid off the unnecessary knick-knacks in the room, set up the beddings and voila!
I sweat a lot in my sleep for months and months ive tried everything from sleeping in different rooms, with a fan, with a window open. Everything i tried wasn’t helping until i started sleeping on the floor. So now i have a mattress pa d on my floor and ive been getting the best sleep ive had in months
I am European (France) and the vast majority of mattresses here are without springs, only hard foam. You can choose the hardness of the mattress, but you will almost never have a mattress with springs, they are more of the futon type. I am like you, I need a hard mattress, but thanks to the available offer I always had what I needed
Futon n floor sleeper here 🙌 Years of it, suggested to partner; warned them it would have a little changeover time… They loved it. We bought a low Japanese made bamboo frame that holds two big tatami, so itself a few inches off the floor which we need bc we have more bugs/spiders living near state reserve. But it is awesome. And yes, we fold up out blankets daily lol 😂 and flip it over for fresh air. A good day of sunshine gets it fluffed up and smelling fresh n mould free 👌🏽
Shout out to Sacramento! I grew up there and lived there until 2022. I'm in Seattle now and still have my shikibuton. 🙌🏼 Can't say I miss the heat though. 😂
I sleep on two sleeping bags and a camping mat. I've done this since 2010. No back issues, hate when bugs get on my face, not common, but can happen more often since you are on the ground. Plus vacuuming is so much easier since I can just pick up my bed and put it somewhere else with ease. And it's a bit of work out getting up out of bed because you are on the ground, when your sick, it kind of sucks, but not a huge issue.
Yo, this is crazy. I used to watch your fixie videos back years and years ago. You just popped up on my feed, it's so good to see you're doing well. Happy for you man. Have a good one
I got a really big bean bag chair that turns into a queen sized bed. The best part is that there are no beans. It's memory foam inside. The most comfortable bed I have ever slept or chair I've sat in. I'm literally typing this comment while sitting in the chair ❤❤❤😍
@friendlyghostkinda the brand is called magic bean bag. I got it on Amazon for around 200$. For the comfort and convenience, u can't beat that price. the only negative thing I can say about it is they didn't have that many color options. Lbvs
I actually recently started wearing Jikatabi (ninja shoes) for a larp, but if discovered that when I wear them I no longer have back, knee, or hip pain. I can stand for a long time in them too. There's just something about how we used to do stuff before that just works. In my early days in uni, I only had a cot and had to put it away because my room was so small where I lived that I couldn't even use my chair at my desk--but when I did put it away, I was always so much more productive. The room I had was smaller than yours.
Fortunately I live in a place where bugs are not a problem. I bought a very thin memory foam mattress and now sleep on the ground. Feels hard and sturdy obviously, but man, my back has never felt better. I'm gonna celebrate 1 year of that change soon. 🎉
I would love a tatami! I have a more "normal" western style bed. Tho my mattress is pretty firm. I'd like to get a tatami mat and futon and use my bed frame (hard for me to get off the floor (POTS and standing from laying is a hospital sentence). Edit: when i used to go on vacation with family id always sleep on the floor, theyd give me all theyre comforters and extra sheets/pillows and id make a kind of makeshift futon.
If you do decide to try a shikibuton, check out sunoko beds! It's basically a more minimalist frame made for the shikibuton. That may be just tall enough to make it easier to get up but will be a lot less bulky and annoying than western frames.
I'm shocked you only have 1.81k subscribers. Great title, video and commentary! Keep up with this quality and I am sure you will blow up! Have an amazing day/night!
i always use these folded bed things, they are big and really soft and put it on top of a mattress to make it even better, its like sleeping on a cloud
I got a Japanese mat bed about 2 months ago and my back pain has almost completely vanished. I have mine on a low platform which avoids all the "On the ground" issues.
I have the same bed! Been using these since 2019. Started with a twin and then upgraded to queen a couple years after. I also have no desire to get a western style mattress. It's hella comfortable and so easy to move around. One downside though is that it's hard for me to sleep anywhere else like at a friends house or hotel bed because they're too soft
My bed is not a futon, but rather the lower end of a 2-bed bunk with the lower one being a bed-couch convertible. That means there's much less padding unless I throw on the second layer. The first layer, while being a bit uncomfortable, has been a great help keeping my back in good shape with its stiffness.
This is really interesting. When I had my own house, I got fed up with standard living styles, so I got rid of my bed and most things in my house. I started taking the cushions off the sofa every night and sleeping on them on the floor. My new partner thought it a bit crazy. But it was the most comfortable sleep I’d ever had. Since, I had to get a bed again cuz my partner wanted it, and I’ve hardly slept at all since. For the past 8 months, I moved into his house, and more times than not I slept on the sofa downstairs cuz of reasons beyond the scope of this comment. That wasn’t very comfy so I bought a camp bed. It better, but still not the best. I’ve considered just sleeping on my rug or on the bathroom floor, cuz it’s just too hot and uncomfortable anywhere else! I wish I had my own home again - this bed is exactly what I’d have and I’d get the best sleep every night once more. I too believe sleep is incredibly important - take it from someone who has barely slept for 8 months straight now!!!! I honestly think I will just die of such lack of sleep it’s that serious. Take your sleep seriously people!!
I dont know how I got here, but tempted to get one now since im always running warm. I would recommend getting a buckwheat pillow too! It improved my sleep as my head is always cool now and my neck is cradled and supported.
I dont have a bed like that but recently i got a futon. Over the last year, it has been much easier to do my work (when im not lazy in the morning lol) and go to bed. This stuff really does have an impact on our work habits.
I used to sleep on a mattress topper on the floor. Because I wanted too! I have a little area for yoga. There’s gym pads and a rug ontop. And I sleep on that. A blanket and a pillow. I love it.
A very hard h3/h4 spring mattress is also very comfortable to sleep on. Also only using the air conditioning only in the night saves you cost if you have the right contract.
That might be a dumb question, but what about that 2nd thing that's not sleeping? Is't that extremely uncomfortable? I imagine my knees wouldn't be fond of having a fouton for that
Nope. No sore knees or anything. Married here lol) It’s actually better. Nice firm but cushiony surface. Doesn’t hit walls, no broken frame or slats, bed doesn’t move around.
Have the exact same bed, had a smaller thinner one, enjoyed that one more but this one is great too, sleeping on Japanese style beds have helped my back out tremendously
I've been sleeping on the floor with just a comforter under me because my wife like's super soft mattresses and it just kills my back I can't sleep on it , so thank you I never knew these existed.
Been sleeping on a futon for 4 of the last 5 years, and the one year in the middle that I didn't my quality of sleep went down and developed severe lower back pains that i had to get physical therapy for. Can't go back~
Ive been sleeping on a hard futon on tatami for about 10 years, before that I slept on normal western beds. The futon I have is cotton, horse hair and latex core, its very hard, thick and heavy. Anyway I cant say it made any massive changes for me or fixed my back pain (ive never had back pain). I just like that its all natural inside, no plastic foams and other junk. Also its probably gonna last my whole life.
didnt even know there are beds like this, I have a comfy coushin like that on the floor (and rubber pads cause hardwood floor) and thought I was just a psycho. It's so damn comfy!
I used to sleep on a Japanese futon when I was poor, I can still remember how sore I felt waking up every day. Not for me thanks, I’ll take my memory foam mattress any day of the week, I get excited about going to bed because of it!
Being a Sacramento region resident as well, my problem hasn't been the heat iself, so much as how sheets stick during the hot summer days. While propping myself against a hard pillow and having the fan on has helped, I've occasionally found myself sleeping in my home office chair as it's a mesh one, so it both isn't trapping the heat, and isn't sticking to me.
i've been looking into this in case a really firm (but comfortable) surface might force me to sleep on my back. the few times I've tried before my shoulder has hurt so i have never committed. still on the fence but good info!
I live in Luxembourg Europe and I LOVE my memory foam mattress, but I think this is a sign to look into different stuff. Our summers, ah feck it, all of our seasons are so dang humid, especially the summer. Pretty Japanese weather eh? To make it worse, I have an extremely hot body, not sexy hot, well maybe, but more "you could fry eggs on my back" hot. I'll definitely look into getting an entire setup, tatami matts, which I'll elevate a little for more airflow and so on. I just hope my bed doesn't break before I can do that, it makes really worrying sounds 😂
so... i had a futon that lasted maybe five years before it started to form a crevice right in the centre where i slept. it became more and more uncomfortable as time moved on. then i got a memory foam bed. i will never go back to anything else.
It’s not the futon that makes it great… it’s the fact that you are closer to the ground. Put your mattress on the ground and you will feel the difference.
Your voice sounded familiar. Then your face looked familiar. Then I realized it's Zach Gallardo! Anyway, now I'm subscribed and here for your minimalist content.
omg you just gave me an awesome idea! i have a bedroom that is too tiny and i dont have any room to put a desk to study on, my back hurts so much cuz i have to use the dining table for it and it's certainly NOT ideal. not even close. i'll try some of these with maybe a desk with wheels so i can fit all of this inside the bedroom when going to sleep. nice vid btw
I spent a month in Vietnam with my girlfriend, we moved around as we were visiting her family and I slept on normal beds, flat beds and even beds that were thing wooden slats on solid tile, I tell you i always struggled to sleep when i was younger when I realized the firmness supplied by this type of bed was exactly what I needed, I bought a similar futon when I got back and have been sleeping so much better these past few years.
I sleep on a cheap futon on a cheap frame with cardboard for support. I got a frame so I can keep stuff under it, but I do like sleeping on the floor and as an adult who still sleepwalks for some reason, getting up off the floor makes it harder.
I think the back pain comes from having your weight cause your spine to curve unnaturally. If you've ever done an asian squat you can feel your lower back get a full stretch. If you grab a bar and hang from it your body weight will also cause your spine to decompress and stretch out your middle trapezius ( between your shoulder blades ). I believe a similar thing happens when you sleep on a firm mattress or on the floor. Your body decompresses properly. Besides the back feeling better, it's got to have other benefits that cause many people to get a really good rest. Good blood flow? Lower body temperature? I dunno. But it's noticeable.
I had vampire neighbors who would keep me up all night. So I decided to go up on the loft where there's no bed just carpet. So I slept on a yoga mat, and 2 quilt. I slept like this for almost 4 months. My body and energy never felt better. I have since moved and returned to a queen mattress and wake up sore. Looking forward to going back to the floor. Getting japanese bed this summer.
i’m currently sleeping on a japanese futon from nitori, it’s like 2 inches so much thinner than yours but i’ll say that while it was super comfortable for the first part, it ended up making my back problems worse :( so i think it’s not like a perfect solution for everyone >
Definitely interested in checking this out, but I'm curious.. Is there a variation of this bed that includes an elevated frame? Only because my apt does have an occasional pest problem, and sleeping too close to the floor isn't always ideal lol
“ I have Filipino parents and they refuse to keep the ac on.” I felt this in my soul 😂
Putangina, close the AC! 😂
filipino gang and saving money on everything
I love my Filipino bros and sisters may God protect them and bless them
@@Saladandfruitbowlu acting like their going anywhere
I'm filipino too, and now that I live alone i have my A/C at 68-70. I Live in vegas so its always hot. But i understand why my parents refuse to use a/c much after i see the bills lol
the important part you are missing is the tatami.(not the thin "gozo" but the 2" thick ones) They are like the box spring in a western bed. They not only add cushion, circulate air (insulating / cooling) helping to prevent mold on the Shikibuton but also smell nice. Shikibuton were traditional used in tatami rooms though those are becoming less frequently seen in modern Japanese houses. it's also common to use an additional thin cushion mat in between the tatami and mattress for added comfort or a foldable wooden slated frame instead of a tatami. But more and more modern Japanese are sleeping in western style beds. the word futon is referring to the complete bedding including the sheets, blanket and pillows.
Also I’ve heard that some Asians have flatter backs while many westerners or specifically white people have a curved back that may back harder mats not work so well. Now if you had a cushion on that area or if you wether overly heavy and there was some support instead of just an actual mat it may work and it may depend on how much of a curve you have. One experts in the sleep stuff was asked about it and mentioned that as to why that might work for some and less so for others. Of course I don’t know maybe if other things are healthy your body might handle the difference better or adapt to it I don’t know.
@@ComeAlongKay that would also depend on your preferred sleeping position
@@ComeAlongKay That's interesting to me, because I tried a futon out for a bit after my first back surgery. I really wish I had invested in some tatami mats, might've had better luck. I wanted to love it and enjoyed it at first, but eventually my back was getting worse, so I had to change my bed setup again.
After I finally had a couple discs replaced, my doc was looking at my old x-rays vs my new ones, and noted that I had gotten back 15° of curvature in my lower back.
Idk if the futon had anything to do with it, but I think your comment is just interesting given the specific context. Makes me wonder
I got a slated platform for my Japanese bed and that's been very effective + I get some storage under my bed
Why are Japanese opting more for western beds now?
This is the joys of seeing how people live in other places. here in the desert, we have to be worried about scorpions crawling around on the ground, so this would NEVER be a possibility, but it's cool nontheless.
Same, I would love to sleep on the floor like this but I live in Australia and the spiders would love it even more
you have scorpions in your house? how the heck? i NEVER leave my house doors open. if im at someone elses house and they leave the door open i shut it even. i used to have a roomate that would leave the door open when he would hangout on the front porch and i haaaated that, lizards and crap would get in the house all the time because of that...
i was thinking the exact same thing, i live in the desert too and i've been bitten by spiders before in my bed just from a cover drooping on the ground and while i'm not worried about things being in my bed i'd rather not get stung by a bark or centipede or something. I like firm beds and rooms without clutter but for now my twin will have to do.
You could put one of these on a platform bed frame. It doesn't have to be on the floor it just needs a flat surface to rest on.
@justmeherethereandeverywhere put it on a raised platform - An actual futon with the frame would work
Hey homey, you might want to invest in a tatami mat for your setup. Its essential for keeping your bedding from molding and added support. You can find foldable ones as well👍🏽
This is what I came to the comments to ask/understand. Thank you soooooooo much!
It's not necessary to use a tatami mat. It doesn't matter. Maybe if you are somewhere that gets super humid, then sure. I've been fine in NYC just putting my futon on the floor and flipping it over every week. No signs of mold after a couple years doing this.
@@stopmotiontacos Yeah and Sacramento it really doesn't get humid here most of the time it's a mid to dry heat just depends how your indoor AC habits influence that
Yeah it completely depends on where you live. I bought one from a Japanese manufacturer in LA and they explained tatami mats aren’t essential for our weather
@@stopmotiontacosI wanted to try a futon as well, but since I live in the Caribbean here it gets VERY humid, so the tatami should be a must right?
I lived in Japan a long time ago. I have four kids now. Japanese futons are awesome. They free up a lot of room for activities. Kids love them. They know they can have western beds any time. From 19 to 2, they have no desire for one.
From 19 to 2 what does that mean
@@SuperSlimshady1 ages
Wonder if his Asian physiology makes him more prone to an Eastern style bed than a Western one
@@marshmellowbit3 7th grade?
@@marshmellowbit3 i mean, im a 6'1" of mexican and dutch descent and sleep on a shikibution as well. I dont think its a matter of physiology.
The futon is "less comfortable" especially at first, but it really does realign your back and improve your posture. You become healthier and stronger; then you adapt and it becomes comfortable to sleep this way.
The other pro's mentioned in the video are all massive too
This feels like a classic youtube video.
You weren’t alive during classic RUclips
@@sigiligusyea too well produced. Classic youtube is before Google bought it, before monetization
@@hengineer Google bought youtube in like 2006, which was 1 year after launch. Most people presume the google purchase happened later but it was really early, google even maintained the competitor Google Video for a while.
I'd have to agree with my fellow millennials and boomers
No it doesnt
A Japanese Futon is also so easy to clean, you clean the sheets as normal and just take the futon out on a deck and give it a whack with a sturdy stick or wooden rod to get everything out, at least that is how I used mine when I had used one in Japan.
Old(ish) dude with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome and pretty bad back problems here. I bought my first futon mattress 2017 and oh man, I'm sleeping so much better. But I have mine up on a breathable base.
Omg thank you for this, signed, One Zebra to another❤ seriously bless you. Ive been wondering if these would help with my sleep and those bed ridden "no spoons" days.
fellow zebra here to say - I also love my futon!
@@heavenwilson6776 I also have H-EDS, and I noticed a difference in the amount my body could relax sleeping on the floor. It took me about 2 weeks to get used to it and not have any bruise-like pain. I've noticed when I sleep on a regular mattress, my whole body feels tense, and it's nearly impossible for me to relax the muscles.
@@heavenwilson6776 Sorry for the late reply. Brain fog is real! 😅 Those no spons left days have also become better. Because i can actually stay in bed longer without more pain. I know it's individual of course. But I just can't do box springs or soft mattresses.
I also have EDS and have a ton of sleeping issues, I will have to try one! ty for ur comment :)
I'm a 73 year old active athlete with chronic SI joint pain. It acts up after a run or long bicycle ride. Tried yoga, collagen, you name it. Everything. Out of sheer desperation, I somehow got the idea to pull out this old futon from storage that my second wife left here which I never used. The first night I slept better than expected. After the second night I noticed my SI joint felt better than it had for months. Now, after a week my SI joint pain is gone totally. I do tend to roll around more on the futon than my tempurpedic but overall I feel more rested upon awakening. I'm ditching my old bed and going with the futon. It's much more healthful
When my gf and I started living together she noticed how much back pain I had in the mornings. She recommended this and we've been doing this for almost a month now. My back pain & neck pain are gone, my posture noticeably improved, and I feel so well rested when I wake up.
hey bro its been another 2 months, hows it going
@@dumbeezy5480 Great, my back pain is non existent. The funny thing is we travelled twice and stayed at hotels. My back immediately started hurting again after sleeping on the soft mattress.
This thing costs $536 on Amazon Canada. My god. I’ve been interested in one of these for years, but having a hard time getting my girlfriend to agree to using one, haha.
I have one that's definitely cheaper.
But I'll never get my girlfriend to agree to it
My husband sleeps in the bed and I sleep on my Shikibuton. I can climb up to visit him any time but at least I’m getting solid sleep now. (I was a sleep apnea sufferer. Shikibuton cured it.) -UPDATE I put two twin XL frames together. A regular mattress that my husband wants on an 8”tall frame. My frame is 14” high with smooth wood sheets and my thin shikibuton on that. Makes one large king bed. At least we are sleeping next to each other now. I’ve essentially built a raised floor.
Get 2 beds. You dont have to dleep together.
Canadian money is basically fake Monopoly money anyway so NBD.
Lmao my girlfriend just asked me if we can get a higher bed spring before watching this 😂
Can't get away with that in Australia lmao. The amount of lizards, bugs and spiders that get into our home makes sleeping on the floor a very anxiety-inducing experience.
Not really lol depends where you live, season and how long you leave doors open
Can't those things crawl up the legs of the bed? A raised bed doesn't seem like it would prevent those things from getting into your bed. I guess it couldn't hurt though.
@@lf2334 They definitely can but 100% of the things that've gotten in so far have been either on the floor or walls, fingers crossed it stays that way
@@namjoonie936 That's true. Probably have to take a look at the fly screen bc we definitely leave the doors shut, we've got two indoor cats with FIV so can't risk them getting out.
@@Kinfure ha. I'm glad they're staying out of your bed! :)
The trend from the last decade or so for "Memory foam" mattresses is a scam. Since i got one, my sleep has deteriorated because it does not dissipate heat like a normal spring mattress would; it does the opposite: it accumulates your body heat and sends it back to you in a closed loop. It makes me wake up in the middle of the night due to being too hot, and sweating, and I have to take off a blanket, and it's still too hot. I am looking for a non-foam, flippable spring mattress now. Having seen your video, it reminded me of my college years, when I did have a very nice fat, thick futon bed and I know I loved it. Reconsidering now. Thanks.
for dissipate heat the only solution is air conditioner.
@@RyuzakiPragmaticoSome people, including myself never use AC when sleeping, even on Vacation in Egypt or Greece when it’s +40C. I put the AC on max for few hours before sleep and turn it off when I’m back in the room.
memory foam bed makes me so sleepy i sleep through alarms lol
@@AK_Catholic_Traditional i use, and my AC on an confortable temperature (25ºC), thats no need to "put AC on max".
the only problem with AC is that the air tends to become drier, but the solution for that problem is humidifier, with that combination i sleep without problems.
That's interesting that you say that, because being warmer is actually exactly why I like my memory foam mattress. I run very very cold, and I have hypermobile joints that need the cushioning because on a firm bed my joints get pushed nearly out of place and I wake up with pinched nerves in the middle of the night. Memory foam mattresses definitely do run warm and they're in no way a one-mattress-fits-all situation, and I wish the marketing would adjust to better explain that.
I’ve slept in a hammock for the last 5 years and it’s been great and saves me a lot of space in my face as well has making me feel like a million
i moved out of an apartment a few years ago and forgot my tatami bed setup in the storage room. i miss it so much! i had the best sleep ever on that thing!
I have been sleeping on a shikibuton for coming up on five months now! I bought it almost a year ago and used it as a reward to downsize my possessions. I've never been happier existing in a clean and minimal space. Also with sleeping on the floor, I can finally enjoy the full length windows we have in this house! It feels so good to wake up to light streaming in the window next to me rather than the light always being obscured by big oversized western furniture. Mine is a eXTRA firm 1" 'infirmary' style. It was $70 and is basically the equivalent to a disposable option as you can get. Unfortunately it still cost $300 to ship it so I might as well have gotten a super fancy one. When I reach twelve months of use, I think I will reward myself with a proper set that's 3" or 4" with tatami 💖 never going back to big, bulky, heavy, junk furniture!
Physically jumped when your face appeared and I realized that you’re the fixed gear bicycle guy I watched and enjoyed so many years ago. Great video man thank you!
I worry about close encounters of the critter kind on the floor.
i Wonder if i put a futon on top of an existing foam mattress if that would work
To be completely fair, 'critters' are really common here in Asia but we make it work with a lot of floor furniture because every corner of the room is easy to clean because you don't have a bunch of big permanent furniture that they use to hatch eggs inside of or something. Cleaning the floor area of your room daily is really easy when there's nothing in the way, and it reduces the chances that a critter could be attracted to enter the room. Plus concerning stuff like rats and cockroaches are big enough that there are physical ways to stop them from encroaching onto your sleeping space. Not sure about bed bugs, but I bet there are less chances a floor bed would have bed bugs if you get into the enforced habit of hanging it out in the sun every time you don't use it, but not sure.
Definitely not saying that you can't get into close encounters with insects on the floor, but it's definitely possible to avoid it. Obviously if you don't wanna take the risk then getting a bed frame is still nice, just takes up more permanent space.
This video’s timing is impeccable because I’m about to graduate from my college and go to grad school. That means moving from a dorm to an apartment and I was just thinking about my bed options. Thanks for the vid, might go for this bed instead of a traditional one!
I just got a twin japanese futon in feb. Wow! I love it! Keep telling everyone. My back pain is nearly gone. Also, pre menopausal and this really helps at night. And i sleep in a different room than my husband. No more snoring.
Made this change a little over a year ago, but I went the route of loft bed + tatami mat + futon to increase space in my room. I've enjoyed the sleep I've gotten from it! I think one benefit I've derived from the experience is just gaining the ability to sleep anywhere after adjusting to the firmness.
Great video, hope more people try this out!
I've been thinking about making this switch for a long time and this random algorithm recommendation may be pushing me over the top.
You and me both. I sleep on the floor sometimes. And it is comfortable, but id certianly welcome a little more padding.
I want to give this a shot. One advantage I see in this set up is cleaning up the room is relatively easy. Simply fold up the futon and tatami mat, sweep, mop and scrub the floors, get rid off the unnecessary knick-knacks in the room, set up the beddings and voila!
2:02 bro didn’t wake up and chose violence, bro couldn’t go to sleep and chose violence
I sweat a lot in my sleep for months and months ive tried everything from sleeping in different rooms, with a fan, with a window open. Everything i tried wasn’t helping until i started sleeping on the floor. So now i have a mattress pa d on my floor and ive been getting the best sleep ive had in months
Hey Zach, wanted to congratulate you on the engagement🎉 Wishing you the best, man!!
Thank you for the awesome videos
I am European (France) and the vast majority of mattresses here are without springs, only hard foam.
You can choose the hardness of the mattress, but you will almost never have a mattress with springs, they are more of the futon type.
I am like you, I need a hard mattress, but thanks to the available offer I always had what I needed
Futon n floor sleeper here 🙌
Years of it, suggested to partner; warned them it would have a little changeover time…
They loved it.
We bought a low Japanese made bamboo frame that holds two big tatami, so itself a few inches off the floor which we need bc we have more bugs/spiders living near state reserve.
But it is awesome.
And yes, we fold up out blankets daily lol 😂 and flip it over for fresh air. A good day of sunshine gets it fluffed up and smelling fresh n mould free 👌🏽
I used to watch your fixie life and this randomly hit my algorithm.... Weird how the internet works lol excited to follow this channel now!
Shout out to Sacramento! I grew up there and lived there until 2022. I'm in Seattle now and still have my shikibuton. 🙌🏼 Can't say I miss the heat though. 😂
I sleep on two sleeping bags and a camping mat. I've done this since 2010. No back issues, hate when bugs get on my face, not common, but can happen more often since you are on the ground. Plus vacuuming is so much easier since I can just pick up my bed and put it somewhere else with ease. And it's a bit of work out getting up out of bed because you are on the ground, when your sick, it kind of sucks, but not a huge issue.
Yo, this is crazy. I used to watch your fixie videos back years and years ago. You just popped up on my feed, it's so good to see you're doing well. Happy for you man. Have a good one
I got a really big bean bag chair that turns into a queen sized bed. The best part is that there are no beans. It's memory foam inside. The most comfortable bed I have ever slept or chair I've sat in. I'm literally typing this comment while sitting in the chair ❤❤❤😍
Sounds interesting. Know what brand it is?
@friendlyghostkinda the brand is called magic bean bag. I got it on Amazon for around 200$. For the comfort and convenience, u can't beat that price. the only negative thing I can say about it is they didn't have that many color options. Lbvs
You’re a legend!
Would it would outdoor undercover? 😊
@friendlyghostkinda thank u. However, I don't understand the question. My apologies.
I actually recently started wearing Jikatabi (ninja shoes) for a larp, but if discovered that when I wear them I no longer have back, knee, or hip pain. I can stand for a long time in them too. There's just something about how we used to do stuff before that just works. In my early days in uni, I only had a cot and had to put it away because my room was so small where I lived that I couldn't even use my chair at my desk--but when I did put it away, I was always so much more productive. The room I had was smaller than yours.
Fortunately I live in a place where bugs are not a problem. I bought a very thin memory foam mattress and now sleep on the ground. Feels hard and sturdy obviously, but man, my back has never felt better. I'm gonna celebrate 1 year of that change soon. 🎉
I would love a tatami! I have a more "normal" western style bed. Tho my mattress is pretty firm. I'd like to get a tatami mat and futon and use my bed frame (hard for me to get off the floor (POTS and standing from laying is a hospital sentence).
Edit: when i used to go on vacation with family id always sleep on the floor, theyd give me all theyre comforters and extra sheets/pillows and id make a kind of makeshift futon.
If you do decide to try a shikibuton, check out sunoko beds! It's basically a more minimalist frame made for the shikibuton. That may be just tall enough to make it easier to get up but will be a lot less bulky and annoying than western frames.
I'm shocked you only have 1.81k subscribers. Great title, video and commentary! Keep up with this quality and I am sure you will blow up! Have an amazing day/night!
When I’ve noticed the battery, I’ve instantly sympathize with the neighbors 😅
i always use these folded bed things, they are big and really soft and put it on top of a mattress to make it even better, its like sleeping on a cloud
the most comfy bed I ever slept on was a thin wool mattress stacked on wooden pallets in a yurt. Super firm. 2weeks of bliss.
I got a Japanese mat bed about 2 months ago and my back pain has almost completely vanished. I have mine on a low platform which avoids all the "On the ground" issues.
I have the same bed! Been using these since 2019. Started with a twin and then upgraded to queen a couple years after. I also have no desire to get a western style mattress. It's hella comfortable and so easy to move around. One downside though is that it's hard for me to sleep anywhere else like at a friends house or hotel bed because they're too soft
I have the same “bed” like this. Using it for 3 years and still going.
My bed is not a futon, but rather the lower end of a 2-bed bunk with the lower one being a bed-couch convertible. That means there's much less padding unless I throw on the second layer. The first layer, while being a bit uncomfortable, has been a great help keeping my back in good shape with its stiffness.
sleeping on the floor = no back pain
I’ve been sleeping on the floor since 2014, so good for my back
This is really interesting. When I had my own house, I got fed up with standard living styles, so I got rid of my bed and most things in my house. I started taking the cushions off the sofa every night and sleeping on them on the floor. My new partner thought it a bit crazy. But it was the most comfortable sleep I’d ever had. Since, I had to get a bed again cuz my partner wanted it, and I’ve hardly slept at all since. For the past 8 months, I moved into his house, and more times than not I slept on the sofa downstairs cuz of reasons beyond the scope of this comment. That wasn’t very comfy so I bought a camp bed. It better, but still not the best. I’ve considered just sleeping on my rug or on the bathroom floor, cuz it’s just too hot and uncomfortable anywhere else! I wish I had my own home again - this bed is exactly what I’d have and I’d get the best sleep every night once more. I too believe sleep is incredibly important - take it from someone who has barely slept for 8 months straight now!!!! I honestly think I will just die of such lack of sleep it’s that serious.
Take your sleep seriously people!!
Look up biphasic sleep. Interesting stuff.
I dont know how I got here, but tempted to get one now since im always running warm. I would recommend getting a buckwheat pillow too! It improved my sleep as my head is always cool now and my neck is cradled and supported.
Man, you *need* air circulation under your bed😳 or get ready for mold.
I dont have a bed like that but recently i got a futon. Over the last year, it has been much easier to do my work (when im not lazy in the morning lol) and go to bed. This stuff really does have an impact on our work habits.
I used to sleep on a mattress topper on the floor. Because I wanted too! I have a little area for yoga. There’s gym pads and a rug ontop. And I sleep on that. A blanket and a pillow. I love it.
A very hard h3/h4 spring mattress is also very comfortable to sleep on. Also only using the air conditioning only in the night saves you cost if you have the right contract.
I slept with a mattress on the ground for about a year in hs and really loved it n think about going back a lot ; now even more
That might be a dumb question, but what about that 2nd thing that's not sleeping? Is't that extremely uncomfortable? I imagine my knees wouldn't be fond of having a fouton for that
Nope. No sore knees or anything. Married here lol)
It’s actually better.
Nice firm but cushiony surface.
Doesn’t hit walls, no broken frame or slats, bed doesn’t move around.
@@AlexShiro Good to know :)
Nice review, well explained with plenty of detail but also succinct.
As a sac native as well, even with proper AC, its far too hot out here during the summer.
Might have to try this lol
Have the exact same bed, had a smaller thinner one, enjoyed that one more but this one is great too, sleeping on Japanese style beds have helped my back out tremendously
Could you provide a link to this on Amazon? His link in the description isn’t working
I have a folding bed from Amazon that I just fold so I have more space in my room and its so comfy
I've been sleeping on the floor with just a comforter under me because my wife like's super soft mattresses and it just kills my back I can't sleep on it , so thank you I never knew these existed.
Fellow sac resident here, definitely interested in getting one of these eventually
Woah its the fixed gear guy! I was wondering why I wasnt subscribed to you
your sweatpants material looks so comfortable omg
I should think about getting one.
Beds are such a pain to disassemble and move around.
Fun fact Sacramento natives are sometimes called wood elf’s because Sacramento is a forest city
Been sleeping on a futon for 4 of the last 5 years, and the one year in the middle that I didn't my quality of sleep went down and developed severe lower back pains that i had to get physical therapy for. Can't go back~
Ive been sleeping on a hard futon on tatami for about 10 years, before that I slept on normal western beds. The futon I have is cotton, horse hair and latex core, its very hard, thick and heavy.
Anyway I cant say it made any massive changes for me or fixed my back pain (ive never had back pain).
I just like that its all natural inside, no plastic foams and other junk. Also its probably gonna last my whole life.
not all beds are made for all climates! this video proves that.
didnt even know there are beds like this, I have a comfy coushin like that on the floor (and rubber pads cause hardwood floor) and thought I was just a psycho. It's so damn comfy!
I used to sleep on a Japanese futon when I was poor, I can still remember how sore I felt waking up every day. Not for me thanks, I’ll take my memory foam mattress any day of the week, I get excited about going to bed because of it!
Being a Sacramento region resident as well, my problem hasn't been the heat iself, so much as how sheets stick during the hot summer days. While propping myself against a hard pillow and having the fan on has helped, I've occasionally found myself sleeping in my home office chair as it's a mesh one, so it both isn't trapping the heat, and isn't sticking to me.
I miss my futon. I can't use it currently after my last surgery. I hope I'll be able to regain mobility eventually.
My mom hated it but i use to just put my mattress and boxspring on the floor. Something about sleeping low to the ground i liked lol
i've been looking into this in case a really firm (but comfortable) surface might force me to sleep on my back. the few times I've tried before my shoulder has hurt so i have never committed. still on the fence but good info!
Best thing in life stuff u don't need to think bout I have to make my bed everyday or it molds
I’m going to try this thing out,luckily it’s easy to return things with amzom.
AKA "I sleep on a mattress and WILL NEVER use a bed frame ever again!"
I live in Luxembourg Europe and I LOVE my memory foam mattress, but I think this is a sign to look into different stuff. Our summers, ah feck it, all of our seasons are so dang humid, especially the summer. Pretty Japanese weather eh? To make it worse, I have an extremely hot body, not sexy hot, well maybe, but more "you could fry eggs on my back" hot. I'll definitely look into getting an entire setup, tatami matts, which I'll elevate a little for more airflow and so on.
I just hope my bed doesn't break before I can do that, it makes really worrying sounds 😂
I only get recommended these video when I’m about to sleep
so... i had a futon that lasted maybe five years before it started to form a crevice right in the centre where i slept. it became more and more uncomfortable as time moved on. then i got a memory foam bed. i will never go back to anything else.
Not running AC in summer at night is wild.
so happy to see the dgd album in the background, they are my fav band
It’s not the futon that makes it great… it’s the fact that you are closer to the ground. Put your mattress on the ground and you will feel the difference.
One of the first things I'll be buying when I get a job.
How’d it go?
@@bofeity no job. Still a goal
To the under the bed stoage, anyone could totally get a platform to leave it on if you desired. Just a couple legs a middle support and some plywood.
Your voice sounded familiar. Then your face looked familiar. Then I realized it's Zach Gallardo! Anyway, now I'm subscribed and here for your minimalist content.
omg you just gave me an awesome idea! i have a bedroom that is too tiny and i dont have any room to put a desk to study on, my back hurts so much cuz i have to use the dining table for it and it's certainly NOT ideal. not even close. i'll try some of these with maybe a desk with wheels so i can fit all of this inside the bedroom when going to sleep. nice vid btw
Hell yeah, I'm glad to have stumbled on this. Thanks for the effort in divulging this information.
I spent a month in Vietnam with my girlfriend, we moved around as we were visiting her family and I slept on normal beds, flat beds and even beds that were thing wooden slats on solid tile, I tell you i always struggled to sleep when i was younger when I realized the firmness supplied by this type of bed was exactly what I needed, I bought a similar futon when I got back and have been sleeping so much better these past few years.
Psst, look into latex foam mattresses! Sleeps way cooler than memory foam, which is a heatsink.
How do you deal with dust, dirt and bugs on the floor with this kind of bed? Wouldn't you need a bed-frame to raise the bed from the ground?
Can’t agree more!!! I use a futon and have for years, I can’t convert my family to it
I sleep on a cheap futon on a cheap frame with cardboard for support. I got a frame so I can keep stuff under it, but I do like sleeping on the floor and as an adult who still sleepwalks for some reason, getting up off the floor makes it harder.
I think the back pain comes from having your weight cause your spine to curve unnaturally.
If you've ever done an asian squat you can feel your lower back get a full stretch. If you grab a bar and hang from it your body weight will also cause your spine to decompress and stretch out your middle trapezius ( between your shoulder blades ).
I believe a similar thing happens when you sleep on a firm mattress or on the floor. Your body decompresses properly.
Besides the back feeling better, it's got to have other benefits that cause many people to get a really good rest. Good blood flow? Lower body temperature? I dunno. But it's noticeable.
I had vampire neighbors who would keep me up all night. So I decided to go up on the loft where there's no bed just carpet. So I slept on a yoga mat, and 2 quilt. I slept like this for almost 4 months. My body and energy never felt better. I have since moved and returned to a queen mattress and wake up sore. Looking forward to going back to the floor. Getting japanese bed this summer.
“I’ll get super hot here in San Clemente “
Laughs in Phoenix
Currently sleeping on a couch pullout bed, strongly considering getting this.
cajon as a bedside table is vibes
i’m currently sleeping on a japanese futon from nitori, it’s like 2 inches so much thinner than yours but i’ll say that while it was super comfortable for the first part, it ended up making my back problems worse :( so i think it’s not like a perfect solution for everyone >
Definitely interested in checking this out, but I'm curious.. Is there a variation of this bed that includes an elevated frame? Only because my apt does have an occasional pest problem, and sleeping too close to the floor isn't always ideal lol