20 years ago today... Every man and woman on that flight who chose not to simply accept their fate, who chose to stand and fight against impossible odds, who chose to sacrifice themselves to deny these insane zealots their dreams of fire and paradise... Every one of them died a hero. Every firefighter, every cop, every medic and first responder, the jarheads and grunts at the Pentagon, who gave their lives in the valiant attempts to rescue the imperiled. They earned their place in memory eternal. 9-11-01 - 9-11-21 "Let's Roll" Stand Up and Bring the Ship Down...
The passengers aboard 93 didn't know how many planes would hit their marks that day. But they knew one that wouldn't. These weren't Navy SEALs, they weren't cops or federal agents. They were American citizens like you or me. If my time comes under such circumstances, I pray I can face the end with half the courage they displayed that day. Godspeed, you magnificent bastards. Wherever you are now, know that you aren't forgotten, and your sacrifice wasn't in vain.
I don't know whether the pilot was killed or he chose to crash the plane , but Leslie's version of the facts is the more romantic one: "sometimes suicide isn't a sin!"
It wasn't "suicide" -- it was a fight to the death for America. The terrorists made the terrible mistake of thinking Americans are weak because we live in a rich country. But we're rich because we chose democracy, not tyranny. We, the people, took Flight 93 down! And those who choose fear and terror still -- and always will -- live in the sewers of civilization.
To listen to this on the anniversary is so haunting, gives you that blood chill feeling you get from primal fear if you’ve felt it before you know what I mean.
I remember Toby Keith tried (as much as his skills allowed) and got a lot of airtime in 2002-3. Maybe Leslie was too late to hit the zeitgeist or something, but this is just so so so much better. This song is what those Americans deserve. We should still never forget that a literal random sample of us chose heroic death when the choice was presented. And, not only did they choose it, but they were clearly better at effecting it than a hand-picked and trained group of terrorists who were attempting to do the same (from their own perspective).
One can only hope that when faced in a similar situation, they will act as heroically as the civilians aboard 93. As mordecai anelwitz said: we are all going to die, our only choice is how we are going to die: like lambs or in a fight?
I've probably listened to this song a hundred times and still I can't hear it without crying. It is the only song that has ever made me cry. I cannot thank you enough for making it available on RUclips, let alone thank Leslie Fish enough for writing and recording it.
Wow, a lot has been added since last time I was here. I have visited the memorial site several times ( as I live in PA ) and the evidence that has been uncovered since that day does add some detail. However, as written, with what was known at the time, I can find no fault in the song. Some specific details may have turned out to be a bit different, but the causes and effects, and the bravery of both the pilots and the passengers in dealing with the hand they had been dealt is presented perfectly.
She took off from Newark on a warm autumn day, With forty-five travellers and crew. They all were unarmed at the will of the law; Security passed them all through. An hour into flight-time, four Arabs jumped up -- Two Ahmeds, Ziad and Sa'eed -- Announced a hijacking and waved knives around (Razorblades, box-knives and steak-knives they'd found), And a box that they swore was a bomb up and down; They thought that was all they would need. Flight 93 no more will fly. Dead on the ground or dead in the sky: You might not survive, but at least you can try. Stand up and bring the ship down. CeeCee the stewardess had a cell-phone, And called up her husband to say: "The plane has been hijacked. We'll do as we're trained; Be quiet and humbly obey. They'll d***er for money or some social cause. The government surely will pay. They'll put us out somewhere and leave with their score, Or maybe police will come catch them and more. That's always the way this has been done before. With luck, I'll be home in a day." Flight 93 no more will fly. Dead on the ground or dead in the sky: You might not survive, but at least you can try. Stand up and bring the ship down. Next was Mark Bingham, who had a phone too, And used it to call up his Mom. He said they'd been hijacked by "three foreign men" Who had knives and said they had a bomb. But some of the passengers plotted, he said, To take back the plane as it flew. "But first tell me, Mom, is it true what they say? That three other airplanes were hijacked today, Flown straight into buildings and blew them away?" His mother cried, and said: "It's true." Flight 93 no more will fly. Dead on the ground or dead in the sky: You might not survive, but at least you can try. Stand up and bring the ship down. Jeremy Glick called his wife on the phone, And told of the bomb and the knives. He said: "If these stories we're hearing are true, We might as well fight for our lives." His wife told him: "Yes, the World Trade Center's****, And maybe the Pentagon too." He left the phone hanging, then came back and said: "We've nothing to fight with, and may wind up dead, But we've voted to stand up and fight them instead, And we might keep them from getting through." Flight 93 no more will fly. Dead on the ground or dead in the sky: You might not survive, but at least you can try. Stand up and bring the ship down. Thomas Burnett phoned his wife several times, Reporting the course of the fight. He said: "One man's been stabbed, and we can't reach the c***pit, But somehow we'll alter the flight. We've guessed that the target is likely the White House, And if we fail, we'll surely die. We've nothing to fight with except our bare hands, But we'll keep on trying until the plane lands One way or the other. We've taken our stand. My darling, I love you. Goodbye." Flight 93 no more will fly. Dead on the ground or dead in the sky: You might not survive, but at least you can try. Stand up and bring the ship down. Jason the pilot could hear the whole tale. He'd signaled as well as he could. He saw that the terrorists still held the c***pit -- And one way to stop them for good. He watched while the passengers battled and died, And knew that no help would be found. The guard was distracted. Just one chance to win. There's one case where suicide isn't a sin. He weighed all his chances. He said: "Auger in!" And drove the ship into the ground. Flight 93 no more will fly. Dead on the ground or dead in the sky: You might not survive, but at least you can try. Stand up and bring the ship down. Flight 93 hit the ground at full speed, And no one aboard her survives. But the White House still stands, and a few thousand folks Can thank those aboard for their lives. There's no guarantee, when the Bad Guys come in, That they won't kill you all to a man. So when some fanatics are out to have fun, There's nowhere to hide and there's nowhere to run. Then pray that the law lets you carry a gun, But fight back however you can. Flight 93 no more will fly. Dead on the ground or dead in the sky: You might not survive, but at least you can try. Stand up and bring the ship down.
I was 4 months old when 9/11 happened, but, and this might sound crazy, I swear I remember seeing the news cast. I remember seeing the second crash into the world trade center. of course I didn't know what it meant. I now know what it means, and I believe that that moment will forever define that time in American history
How can anyone not like this song. The pilot is a symbol for all who fought and died to save their capital and their Capitol. They all knew they would die, so they did so saving others. Whether "in truth" it was the pilot, a passenger or a terrorist who took the plane down does not matter. The plane went down in a Pennsylvania field, not in the White House.
that day is fn hard to forget, even for us Europeans, btw ya know, why they choosed 9/11? we ripped theirs asses at Viena 1683, hey seems to have hurt feelings even today.
That seems to be a major source of the "humiliation" that bin Laden and others talk about. The only cure would be a military victory, which we cannot give them.
Tangle: Creating a weapon-free zone and then not enforcing it is a recipe to make the law-abiding helpless, so yeah, it is the fault of your worthless laws.
This piece used to drive me to tears pretty quick. But after the last several years of crap, and the last year of thousands dying every day, I think I've been desensitized. Because now I don't feel a thing
@@redvalentinos1933 I don't anymore. Sadly, the folks on flight 93 died for nothing. They died protecting politicians who're actively seeking out the destruction of America and the American way of life.
I had a cousin on flight 93. We are americans. Could we have done no less? WE ARE AMERICANS!!!!! We fight, we did so we can save the rest of the Americans and America... Listen to the song. The Ballad of the Alamo. Marty Robbins or Johnny Cash. We are Americans. Can we do less. Jan
TBH, America isn't America if non-felons can't open-carry any man-portable non-ordinance firearm (which would be anything from a pistol to full auto belt fed LMGs and more). There are very few states that can call themselves part of America in this day and age.
Oh yes, we learned it. A woman recently tried to open the door of the plane in flight. The passengers and crew had no qualms about using a roll of duck tape to tie her down.
Wow, this song is depressing, but yet uplifting at the same time. How did Leslie Fish pull that off? Is there any chance of uploading her other songs? Like "The Son is Also a Warrior" or "Gremlins"?
this is why we have air marshals now also if your flying in the untied states and have a gun you can fly with it but just make sure to tell the guys checking your baggage fist before hand like call the airport and let em know
It only takes one standing up and saying NO! to start a heroic action most people just don't have the courage to be the start, one begins any action remember that. the people on this flight were heroes because they gave their lives doing what they KNEW to be right but consider the fact the terrorists also KNEW that they were right. Religion can be a balm or a bane depending on the way it is interprited there is no true right for everyone so being tolerant is all we can do. Remember that crusades
Oh, she's done quite a lot recently. She had a brand new album that just came out called "Avalon is Risen." You can get it from her website or from the Prometheus-music website.
@AyaKatz the TV-show mythbusters tested this, several times.It turned out to be a myth The pressure is not high enough and the hole is too small. Explosive decompression only occurred when a hole the size of a window was made with explosives. Even then //, there are proven instances of explosive decompression where the plane was still able to maintain control and land. (This myth was revisited in episode 38 and it was re-busted.)
@TerryB01 Yes, this is a very moving song in the heroic tradition. I'm not familiar with "The Son is Also a Warrior" and "Gremlins". I will have to ask Leslie about them...
@AyaKatz That's nice...but a lifetime of training both before and after the miltary has taught me. Those people needed protecting by every means possible, period. IF that means you kill somebody and die in process, so mote it be. Blood on the hands? They'll wash and frankly anyone that puts you in that posistion wont be missed.
Despite the words of people arguing this as a case for gun rights courage doesn't need guns though they do help in a fight! What is important is that the passengers tried!
Anne Ni Liam word! In fact guns in everyones hand would not had changed anything in this case. What made the diffrence, where that people had the courage to step out of the usual behavior and informed themself about whats happening, and than did the only thing to do in such a cruel situation. Guns do not help anyone, if the owner believes he could get out alive without using it. And they do alot of harm, when the owners believes he is allways theaten and has to shoot to survive. People that arguing for gun rights should really take a look outside an than ask themselfs, if guns ensure safety, why there is less crime, less violence, less deaths through murder in countries where weapons of any kind are outlawed to allmost everyone. Hell, the most peacefull countries I know of are those in which not even the police use guns.
Hanna Jung HI I agree and being British will always support a mainly unarmed Police force. Ours only carry guns in specific situations that require them. Almost no one commits a crime thinking he will be caught and punished for it. However fanatics be they Muslim, Christian or from any other faith do not represent the majority and if the majority stand up and are counted against them then they will always lose in the end. For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing
yeah, thats it. And it needs people informed of the backgrounds of terrorism, to hinder those people to work. As treating all people as if they are criminals (or certain people, like "all muslims) only strengthens terrorism. but people able to recognize the strings and ties leading to an attack can inform the police in time and thus stop the attack befor it even is lunged. Thus happend in Germany several times
Hanna Jung Education not only abut the problem and cure but about the causes it's like any diease look at the causes and address causes as well as cutting out the cancer. You can't cure diabetes whilst continuing to guzzle sugar & beer or lung cancer while continuing to smoke and terrorism by leaving people in places such as Gaza with no hope no future and nothing except the desire for revenge to sustain them (Israel take note!) otherwise the majority I spoke opf becomes a support for the terrorist, that's why the IRA was so successful for 25 years.
true, not to mention the governments of severak western countries, that sectrectly support extremist groups of all kind, so weapons can be sold and countries with ressources they long for destabalized, so, they can raise their influence their. And last but not Least the Media all over the world pouring stories and hate and missinformation into the minds of the people
EndKing, the issue is not merely guns -- it's weapons of any sort. A well aimed shot from a passenger would have put each terrorist out of comission. But if guns are not allowed because of cabin pressure, what's the reason they take our knives and razor blades away from us? Do we want terrorists to be the only ones who are armed?
Hell, even just having half the passengers bearing firearms would have ensured the terrorists wouldn't have hijacked the plane, because they'd have known that even armed with assault rifles they could never kill every passenger before the passengers killed all the terrorists. Even if the plane went down from the bullets, that's exactly what not having guns forced the passengers to do anyway. And as things are/were, many of the passengers who fought back were forced to suffer for FAR longer before they died. At least explosive decompression would have been quick (even if you survive the pressure change at that altitude, the impact after a mere few seconds' fall would have killed them virtually instantly). Whereas many were cut, beaten, and mutilated in their struggle, and many of them would have been in agony for minutes or even an hour or two before they bled to death or before their side drove the plane into the ground. Ultimately, guns not only force the badguys to say "That's impossible to win, we'd never get what we want", but even if they try anyway, at least the passengers have a better chance of survival. Or barring that, at least a more dignified, quicker, and less painful end. Having a bunch of law-abiding passengers well armed and at least decently trained is not only ideal in EVERY hijacking situation, but it's also the exact concept of "a well regulated Militia" from the US Constitution.
The residents of Mecca and Medina did not send those terrorists. By all means, carry a gun and stop terrorists and murderers in their tracks -- but don't go after broad targets -- like the entire population of a city -- that have done you no wrong.
@AyaKatz Well, an aircraft is not sealed even under normal circumstances. It is constantly refilled with fresh air from intakes, and emptied out through two exit valves, one ta the front and one almost at the end of the cabin. A bullet will simply create a new small leak and the outflow valves will tighten a bit and then the pressure will balance. Naturally tha aircraft will then descend, just in case.
SteveM, I'd be curious to see some documentation to support the idea that it's okay to make holes in the cabin wall. It would be very helpful if you could back this up with facts!
@lemonfemale I agree. Anybody can make a mistake. Cops don't have special powers of omniscience. What they do have is immunity from legal prosecution if they make a mistake in the line of duty. I think this tends to make the man on the street a little more careful to avoid mistakes than the average cop. But nobody is perfect, and that's just part of life.
@AyaKatz I have both of those songs in my email that a friend gave me. if it wasn't for him I wouldn't even KNOW of Leslie Fish. The Son is Also a Warrior is a song that doesn't promo war, but gives reason for it. Gremlins is just pure fun ^-^
I know this is a little late but I just found this song and am wondering if there is still a place to purchase the album. Does anyone know where I might be able to get it?
@@DrCranberry I have tried her site, it seems to be down or my device simply is unwilling to open the page. Is it working for you because if it is I need to figure out what is wrong on my end.
@@wildpikachu9999you could always look up where to buy her CD on the internet, I have seen it available in a couple places before, the sites are a bit old though
@AyaKatz Cont.. If the bullet hits something vital, like electrical wires och hydraulic lines, malfunctions might happen, but in a modern aircraft everything should be at least duplicated if it is vital. If you google "bullet hole cabin pressure" you will find many ask-the-official from airlines answering this query. Hope this helps even if I don't have direct documentation to give you.
@GrigoriZhukov My apologies. I think it was TheShadow who suggested destroying Mecca and Medina. Then you followed up my reply to the Shadow by asking what I meant by "innocent" or "scapegoat", so I misinterpreted your question as being supportive of The Shadow's suggestion. My bad.
I love all of the arguments here on the, 'real story' of Flight 93, who cares about that? The truth is not what is most important part of this song it is the argument that disarming the citizens is foolish and counter productive but that Americans at least will fight not only for their lives but to save others. It is the story that matters more than the truth and even more importantly it is the theme and the fact that it argues that fighting back is important and necessary because if you are fighting for what you believe in you are fighting a good fight in your mind. The politics of the fight can be worried about after.
well said, tomson & to you Aya - thank you!!! Cried all during and for 10 minutes after hearing this. What a stunning tribute to those who kept trying although they knew they were dying.
@shdowhunt60 Yes, it tells those stories from a different point of view. They are still the same stories, and it is still the same deity. You have to understand that it's all part of the same imaginary universe. What you are doing is like arguing about whether classical Star Trek or the Next Generation is the real thing. Well, neither is real, but when Mr. Spock makes a guest appearance in the newer version, he's the same character, even if you think his take on Vulcan philosophy has changed.
This reminds me of an interview I read about with an Australian General and his planning on teaching shooting to a bunch of boy scouts. The Interviewer was horrified and told the general she thought he was equipping them to become violent killers. I loved his reply to her "Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?" 95% of the people in this country are NOT what people are implying. And if we allowed people to carry the guns they should this would be moot.
@AyaKatz Well, for one thing, there's a passage in the Koran (I don't remember exactly where, but I know I've read it) claiming that Isa (Arabic for Jesus) is not Allah's son because Allah has no son. On the other hand, the New Testament has plenty to say on the subject, with Yahweh saying things like "This is my beloved son, in whom I am well-pleased" (Matthew 3:17), etc. (Would post more, but RUclips has a character limit...)
They took off from Newark on a warm autumn day With forty five travelers and crew They all were unarmed at the will of the law Security passed them all through An hour into flight time four Arabs jumped up Two Ahmeds, [?], and Saied Announced a hijacking and waved knives around Razor-blades box-knives and steak knives they found And a box that they swore was a bomb up and down They thought that was all they would need Flight 93 no more will fly Dead on the ground or dead in the sky You might not survive, but at least you can try Stand up and bring the ship down Cici the stewardess had a cellphone And called up her husband to say The plane has been hijacked we'll do as we're trained Be quiet and humbly obey They'll dicker for money, or some social cause The government surely will pay They'll put us out somewhere and leave with their score Or maybe police will come catch them and more That's always the way this has been done before With luck, I'll be home in a day Flight 93 no more will fly Dead on the ground or dead in the sky You might not survive, but at least you can try Stand up and bring the ship down Next was Mark Bingham who had a phone too And used it to call up his mom He said they'd been hijacked by three foreign men Who had knives and said they had a bomb But some of the passengers plotted, he said To take back the plane as it flew But first tell me mom, is it true what they say That three other airplanes were hijacked today Flown straight into buildings and blew them away His mother cried and said it's true Flight 93 no more will fly Dead on the ground or dead in the sky You might not survive, but at least you can try Stand up and bring the ship down Jeremy Gleck called his wife on the phone And told of the bomb and the knives He said if these stories we're hearing are true We might as well fight for our lives His wife told him yes, the world trade center's hit And maybe the pentagon too He left the phone hanging and came back and said We've nothing to fight with and may wind up dead But we've voted to stand up and fight them instead And we might keep them from getting through Flight 93 no more will fly Dead on the ground or dead in the sky You might not survive, but at least you can try Stand up and bring the ship down Thomas Burdett phoned his wife several times Reporting the course of the fight He said one man's been stabbed and we can't reach the cockpit But somehow we'll alter the flight We've guessed that the target is likely the White House And if we fail we'll surely die We've nothing to fight with except our bare hands But we'll keep on fighting until the plane lands One way or the other, we've taken our stand My darling, I love you, goodbye Flight 93 no more will fly Dead on the ground or dead in the sky You might not survive, but at least you can try Stand up and bring the ship down Jason the pilot could hear the whole tale He'd signaled as well as he could He saw that the terrorists still held the cockpit And one way to stop them for good He watched as the passengers battled and died And knew that no help would be found The guard was distracted, just one chance to win There's one case where suicide isn't a sin He weighed all his chances and said hogger in And drove the ship into the ground Flight 93 no more will fly Dead on the ground or dead in the sky You might not survive, but at least you can try Stand up and bring the ship down Down down bring the ship down Down down bring the ship down Flight 93 hit the ground at full speed And no one aboard her survives But the White House still stands and a few thousand folks Can thank those aboard for their lives There's no guarantee when the bad guys come in That they won't kill us all to a man So when some fanatics are out to have fun There's nowhere to hide and there's nowhere to run Then pray that the law lets you carry a gun But fight back however you can Flight 93 no more will fly Dead on the ground or dead in the sky You might not survive, but at least you can try Stand up and bring the ship down
@lemonfemale You're right that this was no ordinary hijacking. However, I've never been a big fan of non-resistance. Holding your fire till the right moment when it will do the most good makes sense. Resisting because "money" or "time" or "honor" is less important than lives makes much less sense -- and sets a very bad precedent. Good for you on packing a box cutter, but why not also a gun?
@GrigoriZhukov "Innocent", in this context, is someone who has done you no harm. "Scapegoat" is someone who is made to pay for another's sin. You proposed bombing Mecca. Mecca is a city in Saudi Arabia with a population of 1.7 million. How many of those people do you think are terrorists?
I am not against all guns, but I do think the laws that we have about guns need to be enforced as well as laws closing down loopholes. The private sellers at gun shows and internet sales are what I'm talking about. I was a soldier and I've also had a gun held to my head at a different time, at work. I don't think we all need to run around acting like Rambo, with guns in hand to make our country safer.
Every gun show I've been to makes you go through a FFL holder to purchase a firearm, if that gives you any comfort. On top of that, all of the concealed carry training I've ever seen talks about how important restraint and attempts to de-escalate are, and that actually drawing is an absolute last resort.
The Gun show loophole is a myth and has been for decades, you need a FFL in order to be a dealer at all, nevermind at a gun show, the only potential loophole is through a single person selling a gun to another single person, which doesn’t require a license because it’s a private transaction.
@TheHellnextdoor Why not sing about it? Folksingers and filksingers are not known for avoiding "touchy subjects." In this case, Leslie Fish has something important to say, something you may not have heard before.
@AyaKatz: Because, they don't want us carving up someone whom we SUSPECT of terrorism, in a tightly enclosed space, a space that clearly drives some people a little crazy. We want to combat terrorists while up there, ok, cool. That's why I think we should put, like, cops or whoever up there. Let a professional deal with the heroic stuff. Because, a stressed out xenophobe, or just someone afraid of flying, now armed with a knife? I think that's as much a possible danger as a terrorist.
@lindahl01 sorry dude...didn't realize i replied on the wrong damn poster, never ever post when undercaffinated or under the influence of a parrot eating your ear.
Endking, You say that guns are bad for one reason (cabin pressure) but knives are bad for a different reason (gung ho vigilantes who attack the innocent on mere suspicion.) Your argument is unprincipled: only "cops" and "bad guys" should have weapons. What makes you so sure cops won't pierce the hull or shoot the wrong person? Is the state authority conferred on them what makes them so much better than ordinary mortals?
Are you for or against the Bolshevik's revelation in Russia? Just curious, also what is the general opinion on this matter in Russia? I am American, so I was looking for an insider's perspective.
You mean when Lenin was smuggled in by the Germans to sabotage the Russian Republic's war effort and overthrow President Kerensky, right? That "revolution"?
@shdowhunt60 Read the OT. Jehovah orders plenty of bloodbaths for the uncircumcised. Saul lost his job as king because he wouldn't kill all those he was ordered to kill. But the really telling part is that the deity has the same hangups in both cases: not eating pork, circumcision, not drawing pictures of any living things. These are idiosyncrasies that help to identify him as a specific god. The only difference is the favored in-group. Compared to other gods around the globe: No resemblance.
@morleydotes666 On 9/11 I was in the Missouri Ozarks with my two year old daughter in a motel, shopping for a house to live in. We had just finished our global travels. If you would like to read more about it, you can follow this link:
Hatred and bigotry cannot be worked against directly, because they are feelings and thoughts. The victims of 9/11 were not victims of other people's feelings or beliefs -- they were victims of violent action directed against them. The best way to avoid falling victim is for every potential victim to be armed and ready.
I am glad that you stand firmly behind the second amendment and are able to act when necessary. But when going to war, just as in avenging a personal wrong, it is immensely important to go after the party that broke the peace -- and not some innocent scapegoat. Otherwise, you are no better than they are.
There is no right about war, it only cares about who is left. I was there at ground zero on 9/11, and unlike most of those who ran away I was running into the smoke with nothing but a fire extinguisher and a med kit. I saved all I could. But at the end, all I did was what I needed to do to save lives in accordance with the oath I swore to uphold...defend all against all threats, both foreign and domestic. HMC M.J. Ashcraft, USN(RET)
@musicluvr1974 I don't see that your evidence shows what you think it does. Yahweh does not originate in the New Testament. We meet him first in the Old Testament. There are many people who believe in Yahweh who do not accept the New Testament. On the other hand, the New Testament specifically says that it builds on what is in the OT. The Koran tells many of the same stories about Allah as are told about Yahweh in the Old Testament. It's the same character.
@wynndwolfsong Why is it a touchy subject unless you've got an ox being gored or the children were raised on lies about what happened. The conundrum is what is fact what is the truth and what makes you think they are the same. Yes I'm the kid in class who ALWAYS how do you know and what makes you think that is correct? There is nothing touchy about the subject. Only touchy subject I can see is when is TSA going to do a security system that works?
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20 years ago today... Every man and woman on that flight who chose not to simply accept their fate, who chose to stand and fight against impossible odds, who chose to sacrifice themselves to deny these insane zealots their dreams of fire and paradise... Every one of them died a hero. Every firefighter, every cop, every medic and first responder, the jarheads and grunts at the Pentagon, who gave their lives in the valiant attempts to rescue the imperiled. They earned their place in memory eternal.
9-11-01 - 9-11-21
"Let's Roll"
Stand Up and Bring the Ship Down...
The passengers aboard 93 didn't know how many planes would hit their marks that day. But they knew one that wouldn't. These weren't Navy SEALs, they weren't cops or federal agents. They were American citizens like you or me. If my time comes under such circumstances, I pray I can face the end with half the courage they displayed that day.
Godspeed, you magnificent bastards. Wherever you are now, know that you aren't forgotten, and your sacrifice wasn't in vain.
Your comment made me cry. You’re so right and you made it so beautiful to read. Thank you to those brave angels
E pluribus unum
I don't know whether the pilot was killed or he chose to crash the plane , but Leslie's version of the facts is the more romantic one: "sometimes suicide isn't a sin!"
It wasn't "suicide" -- it was a fight to the death for America.
The terrorists made the terrible mistake of thinking Americans are weak because we live in a rich country. But we're rich because we chose democracy, not tyranny.
We, the people, took Flight 93 down! And those who choose fear and terror still -- and always will -- live in the sewers of civilization.
To listen to this on the anniversary is so haunting, gives you that blood chill feeling you get from primal fear if you’ve felt it before you know what I mean.
I remember Toby Keith tried (as much as his skills allowed) and got a lot of airtime in 2002-3. Maybe Leslie was too late to hit the zeitgeist or something, but this is just so so so much better. This song is what those Americans deserve. We should still never forget that a literal random sample of us chose heroic death when the choice was presented. And, not only did they choose it, but they were clearly better at effecting it than a hand-picked and trained group of terrorists who were attempting to do the same (from their own perspective).
"Freedom isn't free." Really reminds you of what it costs. Hat's off for this one.
Praise deserved for the ordinary men and women who saved others.
Those people were heroes. One and all. No more needs to be said.
And yes I am talking about the passengers.
One can only hope that when faced in a similar situation, they will act as heroically as the civilians aboard 93.
As mordecai anelwitz said: we are all going to die, our only choice is how we are going to die: like lambs or in a fight?
I've probably listened to this song a hundred times and still I can't hear it without crying. It is the only song that has ever made me cry. I cannot thank you enough for making it available on RUclips, let alone thank Leslie Fish enough for writing and recording it.
I know Leslie fish may not see this but i will still say thank you for making this song so we won't forget those heroes of flight 93
Thanks for this tribute sont. Gives me a chill every time I ever hear it.
Wow, a lot has been added since last time I was here. I have visited the memorial site several times
( as I live in PA ) and the evidence that has been uncovered since that day does add some detail.
However, as written, with what was known at the time, I can find no fault in the song. Some
specific details may have turned out to be a bit different, but the causes and effects, and the
bravery of both the pilots and the passengers in dealing with the hand they had been dealt
is presented perfectly.
This actually brought tears to my eyes...
I don't know how I haven't heard this before but it's amazing. A very good tribute.
She's got a very niche audience
She took off from Newark on a warm autumn day,
With forty-five travellers and crew.
They all were unarmed at the will of the law;
Security passed them all through.
An hour into flight-time, four Arabs jumped up --
Two Ahmeds, Ziad and Sa'eed --
Announced a hijacking and waved knives around
(Razorblades, box-knives and steak-knives they'd found),
And a box that they swore was a bomb up and down;
They thought that was all they would need.
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
CeeCee the stewardess had a cell-phone,
And called up her husband to say:
"The plane has been hijacked. We'll do as we're trained;
Be quiet and humbly obey.
They'll d***er for money or some social cause.
The government surely will pay.
They'll put us out somewhere and leave with their score,
Or maybe police will come catch them and more.
That's always the way this has been done before.
With luck, I'll be home in a day."
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
Next was Mark Bingham, who had a phone too,
And used it to call up his Mom.
He said they'd been hijacked by "three foreign men"
Who had knives and said they had a bomb.
But some of the passengers plotted, he said,
To take back the plane as it flew.
"But first tell me, Mom, is it true what they say?
That three other airplanes were hijacked today,
Flown straight into buildings and blew them away?"
His mother cried, and said: "It's true."
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
Jeremy Glick called his wife on the phone,
And told of the bomb and the knives.
He said: "If these stories we're hearing are true,
We might as well fight for our lives."
His wife told him: "Yes, the World Trade Center's****,
And maybe the Pentagon too."
He left the phone hanging, then came back and said:
"We've nothing to fight with, and may wind up dead,
But we've voted to stand up and fight them instead,
And we might keep them from getting through."
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
Thomas Burnett phoned his wife several times,
Reporting the course of the fight.
He said: "One man's been stabbed, and we can't reach the c***pit,
But somehow we'll alter the flight.
We've guessed that the target is likely the White House,
And if we fail, we'll surely die.
We've nothing to fight with except our bare hands,
But we'll keep on trying until the plane lands
One way or the other. We've taken our stand.
My darling, I love you. Goodbye."
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
Jason the pilot could hear the whole tale.
He'd signaled as well as he could.
He saw that the terrorists still held the c***pit --
And one way to stop them for good.
He watched while the passengers battled and died,
And knew that no help would be found.
The guard was distracted. Just one chance to win.
There's one case where suicide isn't a sin.
He weighed all his chances. He said: "Auger in!"
And drove the ship into the ground.
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
Flight 93 hit the ground at full speed,
And no one aboard her survives.
But the White House still stands, and a few thousand folks
Can thank those aboard for their lives.
There's no guarantee, when the Bad Guys come in,
That they won't kill you all to a man.
So when some fanatics are out to have fun,
There's nowhere to hide and there's nowhere to run.
Then pray that the law lets you carry a gun,
But fight back however you can.
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
I love Leslie Fish's music! Didn;t know she had done anything recent!
*salute the passengers of 93*
"Religion of peace"...
I was 4 months old when 9/11 happened, but, and this might sound crazy, I swear I remember seeing the news cast. I remember seeing the second crash into the world trade center. of course I didn't know what it meant. I now know what it means, and I believe that that moment will forever define that time in American history
I wept all through this.
To deny women the right to bear arms in self defense is where we're headed and it's worrisome indeed.
Huh this is bs woman do have the same rights as men do you know
How can anyone not like this song. The pilot is a symbol for all who fought and died to save their capital and their Capitol. They all knew they would die, so they did so saving others. Whether "in truth" it was the pilot, a passenger or a terrorist who took the plane down does not matter. The plane went down in a Pennsylvania field, not in the White House.
Kids who don't remember 9/11.
that day is fn hard to forget, even for us Europeans, btw ya know, why they choosed 9/11?
we ripped theirs asses at Viena 1683, hey seems to have hurt feelings even today.
That seems to be a major source of the "humiliation" that bin Laden and others talk about. The only cure would be a military victory, which we cannot give them.
I don't like the song because it seems to blame 9/11 on not letting people carry guns on airplanes.
Tangle: Creating a weapon-free zone and then not enforcing it is a recipe to make the law-abiding helpless, so yeah, it is the fault of your worthless laws.
wow facts or no facts that is a powerful song
This piece used to drive me to tears pretty quick. But after the last several years of crap, and the last year of thousands dying every day, I think I've been desensitized. Because now I don't feel a thing
I am so sorry about how everything has been going. It is quite depressing .
@@AyaKatz I actually feel guilty for not feeling anything.
@@redvalentinos1933
I don't anymore.
Sadly, the folks on flight 93 died for nothing.
They died protecting politicians who're actively seeking out the destruction of America and the American way of life.
Thank you. IMHO this is Leslie Fish's Best Ever!!!
This is a very moving song
I checked with Leslie. She confirms that she does indeed have such a song, only it's "The Sun is also a Warrior."
I had a cousin on flight 93. We are americans. Could we have done no less? WE ARE AMERICANS!!!!!
We fight, we did so we can save the rest of the Americans and America...
Listen to the song. The Ballad of the Alamo. Marty Robbins or Johnny Cash. We are Americans. Can we do less. Jan
TBH, America isn't America if non-felons can't open-carry any man-portable non-ordinance firearm (which would be anything from a pistol to full auto belt fed LMGs and more).
There are very few states that can call themselves part of America in this day and age.
Sabaton subreddit brought me here.
Me: man, this is a good and deep song, let's check the comments.
Comments: *political hellfire*
Me: haha. Ha. *scrolls back up*
Thanks for stopping me!
InfantryMom, yes, they will never be forgotten! I just hope we can learn the right lessons from the example set by the heroes on Flight93
Oh yes, we learned it. A woman recently tried to open the door of the plane in flight. The passengers and crew had no qualms about using a roll of duck tape to tie her down.
Wow, this song is depressing, but yet uplifting at the same time. How did Leslie Fish pull that off?
Is there any chance of uploading her other songs? Like "The Son is Also a Warrior" or "Gremlins"?
I've got other songs up on You Tube; it just takes a bit of hunting to find them.
@@lesliefish4753 I've found many and enjoy them Ms. Fish. Thanks for the reply.
Lets Roll. ...
Greatings from Turkey
this is why we have air marshals now also if your flying in the untied states and have a gun you can fly with it but just make sure to tell the guys checking your baggage fist before hand like call the airport and let em know
It only takes one standing up and saying NO! to start a heroic action most people just don't have the courage to be the start, one begins any action remember that. the people on this flight were heroes because they gave their lives doing what they KNEW to be right but consider the fact the terrorists also KNEW that they were right. Religion can be a balm or a bane depending on the way it is interprited there is no true right for everyone so being tolerant is all we can do. Remember that crusades
I listen to this and i cant help but stand ready to run into battle like those patriots did!
Oh, she's done quite a lot recently. She had a brand new album that just came out called "Avalon is Risen." You can get it from her website or from the Prometheus-music website.
@AyaKatz
the TV-show mythbusters tested this, several times.It turned out to be a myth
The pressure is not high enough and the hole is too small. Explosive decompression only occurred when a hole the size of a window was made with explosives. Even then //, there are proven instances of explosive decompression where the plane was still able to maintain control and land.
(This myth was revisited in episode 38 and it was re-busted.)
@TerryB01
Yes, this is a very moving song in the heroic tradition.
I'm not familiar with "The Son is Also a Warrior" and "Gremlins". I will have to ask Leslie about them...
@AyaKatz That's nice...but a lifetime of training both before and after the miltary has taught me. Those people needed protecting by every means possible, period. IF that means you kill somebody and die in process, so mote it be. Blood on the hands? They'll wash and frankly anyone that puts you in that posistion wont be missed.
Despite the words of people arguing this as a case for gun rights courage doesn't need guns though they do help in a fight! What is important is that the passengers tried!
Anne Ni Liam word! In fact guns in everyones hand would not had changed anything in this case. What made the diffrence, where that people had the courage to step out of the usual behavior and informed themself about whats happening, and than did the only thing to do in such a cruel situation. Guns do not help anyone, if the owner believes he could get out alive without using it. And they do alot of harm, when the owners believes he is allways theaten and has to shoot to survive. People that arguing for gun rights should really take a look outside an than ask themselfs, if guns ensure safety, why there is less crime, less violence, less deaths through murder in countries where weapons of any kind are outlawed to allmost everyone. Hell, the most peacefull countries I know of are those in which not even the police use guns.
Hanna Jung HI I agree and being British will always support a mainly unarmed Police force. Ours only carry guns in specific situations that require them. Almost no one commits a crime thinking he will be caught and punished for it. However fanatics be they Muslim, Christian or from any other faith do not represent the majority and if the majority stand up and are counted against them then they will always lose in the end. For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing
yeah, thats it. And it needs people informed of the backgrounds of terrorism, to hinder those people to work. As treating all people as if they are criminals (or certain people, like "all muslims) only strengthens terrorism. but people able to recognize the strings and ties leading to an attack can inform the police in time and thus stop the attack befor it even is lunged. Thus happend in Germany several times
Hanna Jung Education not only abut the problem and cure but about the causes it's like any diease look at the causes and address causes as well as cutting out the cancer. You can't cure diabetes whilst continuing to guzzle sugar & beer or lung cancer while continuing to smoke and terrorism by leaving people in places such as Gaza with no hope no future and nothing except the desire for revenge to sustain them (Israel take note!) otherwise the majority I spoke opf becomes a support for the terrorist, that's why the IRA was so successful for 25 years.
true, not to mention the governments of severak western countries, that sectrectly support extremist groups of all kind, so weapons can be sold and countries with ressources they long for destabalized, so, they can raise their influence their. And last but not Least the Media all over the world pouring stories and hate and missinformation into the minds of the people
EndKing, the issue is not merely guns -- it's weapons of any sort. A well aimed shot from a passenger would have put each terrorist out of comission. But if guns are not allowed because of cabin pressure, what's the reason they take our knives and razor blades away from us? Do we want terrorists to be the only ones who are armed?
Hell, even just having half the passengers bearing firearms would have ensured the terrorists wouldn't have hijacked the plane, because they'd have known that even armed with assault rifles they could never kill every passenger before the passengers killed all the terrorists.
Even if the plane went down from the bullets, that's exactly what not having guns forced the passengers to do anyway.
And as things are/were, many of the passengers who fought back were forced to suffer for FAR longer before they died. At least explosive decompression would have been quick (even if you survive the pressure change at that altitude, the impact after a mere few seconds' fall would have killed them virtually instantly).
Whereas many were cut, beaten, and mutilated in their struggle, and many of them would have been in agony for minutes or even an hour or two before they bled to death or before their side drove the plane into the ground.
Ultimately, guns not only force the badguys to say "That's impossible to win, we'd never get what we want", but even if they try anyway, at least the passengers have a better chance of survival.
Or barring that, at least a more dignified, quicker, and less painful end.
Having a bunch of law-abiding passengers well armed and at least decently trained is not only ideal in EVERY hijacking situation, but it's also the exact concept of "a well regulated Militia" from the US Constitution.
The residents of Mecca and Medina did not send those terrorists. By all means, carry a gun and stop terrorists and murderers in their tracks -- but don't go after broad targets -- like the entire population of a city -- that have done you no wrong.
Let that be a lesson to anyone who tries to kill our people. Its not just our military they should fear! Our people are not sheep! We are Lions!
nope, we're humans
Sharscombe, thanks. Spread the word!
@TerryB01 When did "The Son is also a Warrior" come out?
@AyaKatz
Well, an aircraft is not sealed even under normal circumstances. It is constantly refilled with fresh air from intakes, and emptied out through two exit valves, one ta the front and one almost at the end of the cabin. A bullet will simply create a new small leak and the outflow valves will tighten a bit and then the pressure will balance. Naturally tha aircraft will then descend, just in case.
does anyone know where I can find the whole album?
It is available from Prometheus Music, I think or from Leslie’s own website.
LeslieFish1, thanks for the information. If you have a link to a video of that plane looking like a convertible, please feel free to post here.
great song, thanks for posting! do you think you could post her "Sale at the Gun Store" song off this same CD?
Yes. I agree.
SteveM, I'd be curious to see some documentation to support the idea that it's okay to make holes in the cabin wall. It would be very helpful if you could back this up with facts!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_811
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_96
@dragonsofliberty Thanks. I would have to ask Leslie for permission. We'll see!
Calbeck, it is a moving song!
@lemonfemale I agree. Anybody can make a mistake. Cops don't have special powers of omniscience. What they do have is immunity from legal prosecution if they make a mistake in the line of duty. I think this tends to make the man on the street a little more careful to avoid mistakes than the average cop. But nobody is perfect, and that's just part of life.
Where can I find Leslie Fish's Firestorm album? I've been looking for it for years with no luck.
@Leslie Fish The fact you read the comments for one of your songs, much less replied to one that's 9 years old, warms my heart.
@Leslie Fish I just discovered you and you've instantly become one of my folk heroes, up there with Utah Phillips. Thank you for your amazing music
Songs from the stars has a lot of Leslie Fish albums as well as other music in that same vein
@AyaKatz I have both of those songs in my email that a friend gave me. if it wasn't for him I wouldn't even KNOW of Leslie Fish.
The Son is Also a Warrior is a song that doesn't promo war, but gives reason for it. Gremlins is just pure fun ^-^
LadyMarPai, good story! I totally agree.
I know this is a little late but I just found this song and am wondering if there is still a place to purchase the album.
Does anyone know where I might be able to get it?
Her official website you can purchase htem from:
lesliefish.com/frameset1.htm
@@DrCranberry I have tried her site, it seems to be down or my device simply is unwilling to open the page. Is it working for you because if it is I need to figure out what is wrong on my end.
@@wildpikachu9999you could always look up where to buy her CD on the internet, I have seen it available in a couple places before, the sites are a bit old though
@GrigoriZhukov Thanks. Good to know!
@GrigoriZhukov Yes. It's exactly the same invisible man.
@AyaKatz
Cont.. If the bullet hits something vital, like electrical wires och hydraulic lines, malfunctions might happen, but in a modern aircraft everything should be at least duplicated if it is vital. If you google "bullet hole cabin pressure" you will find many ask-the-official from airlines answering this query. Hope this helps even if I don't have direct documentation to give you.
I had never heard of this song before,... The 9/11 victoms will never be forgotten !!!
@GrigoriZhukov My apologies. I think it was TheShadow who suggested destroying Mecca and Medina. Then you followed up my reply to the Shadow by asking what I meant by "innocent" or "scapegoat", so I misinterpreted your question as being supportive of The Shadow's suggestion. My bad.
@musicluvr1974 Could you explain your reasoning?
I love all of the arguments here on the, 'real story' of Flight 93, who cares about that? The truth is not what is most important part of this song it is the argument that disarming the citizens is foolish and counter productive but that Americans at least will fight not only for their lives but to save others. It is the story that matters more than the truth and even more importantly it is the theme and the fact that it argues that fighting back is important and necessary because if you are fighting for what you believe in you are fighting a good fight in your mind. The politics of the fight can be worried about after.
well said, tomson & to you Aya - thank you!!! Cried all during and for 10 minutes after hearing this. What a stunning tribute to those who kept trying although they knew they were dying.
That is what folk songs do. They tell the tale, not report the event.
tim biggart
And show the story behind the truth.
"Sink me the ship Master Gunner,sink her,split her in twain."
***** Easier? Is it not easy enough for those with enough resources to do so, not caring what laws they break?
the truth is very important
I wonder what I would have done.
@shdowhunt60 Yes, it tells those stories from a different point of view. They are still the same stories, and it is still the same deity. You have to understand that it's all part of the same imaginary universe. What you are doing is like arguing about whether classical Star Trek or the Next Generation is the real thing. Well, neither is real, but when Mr. Spock makes a guest appearance in the newer version, he's the same character, even if you think his take on Vulcan philosophy has changed.
EndKing, why do you think it would not have worked ? Do guns only work in the hands of terrorists, or can ordinary people use them, too?
This reminds me of an interview I read about with an Australian General and his planning on teaching shooting to a bunch of boy scouts.
The Interviewer was horrified and told the general she thought he was equipping them to become violent killers.
I loved his reply to her "Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?"
95% of the people in this country are NOT what people are implying. And if we allowed people to carry the guns they should this would be moot.
The American Scoutsteach
Actually most reporters are prostitutes. Prostitutes for the left wing liberals.
Try Leslie's site
@GrigoriZhukov *Parrot...eating...your ear..?...* Ehr, Yeah. Yeah, That's some good advice man. We're cool. *Backing away slowly*
@Nonamed22 , True!
@SteveM1911A1: Ok, go up there and create a few holes. Tell me how it works out.
@AyaKatz Well, for one thing, there's a passage in the Koran (I don't remember exactly where, but I know I've read it) claiming that Isa (Arabic for Jesus) is not Allah's son because Allah has no son. On the other hand, the New Testament has plenty to say on the subject, with Yahweh saying things like "This is my beloved son, in whom I am well-pleased" (Matthew 3:17), etc. (Would post more, but RUclips has a character limit...)
They took off from Newark on a warm autumn day
With forty five travelers and crew
They all were unarmed at the will of the law
Security passed them all through
An hour into flight time four Arabs jumped up
Two Ahmeds, [?], and Saied
Announced a hijacking and waved knives around
Razor-blades box-knives and steak knives they found
And a box that they swore was a bomb up and down
They thought that was all they would need
Flight 93 no more will fly
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky
You might not survive, but at least you can try
Stand up and bring the ship down
Cici the stewardess had a cellphone
And called up her husband to say
The plane has been hijacked we'll do as we're trained
Be quiet and humbly obey
They'll dicker for money, or some social cause
The government surely will pay
They'll put us out somewhere and leave with their score
Or maybe police will come catch them and more
That's always the way this has been done before
With luck, I'll be home in a day
Flight 93 no more will fly
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky
You might not survive, but at least you can try
Stand up and bring the ship down
Next was Mark Bingham who had a phone too
And used it to call up his mom
He said they'd been hijacked by three foreign men
Who had knives and said they had a bomb
But some of the passengers plotted, he said
To take back the plane as it flew
But first tell me mom, is it true what they say
That three other airplanes were hijacked today
Flown straight into buildings and blew them away
His mother cried and said it's true
Flight 93 no more will fly
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky
You might not survive, but at least you can try
Stand up and bring the ship down
Jeremy Gleck called his wife on the phone
And told of the bomb and the knives
He said if these stories we're hearing are true
We might as well fight for our lives
His wife told him yes, the world trade center's hit
And maybe the pentagon too
He left the phone hanging and came back and said
We've nothing to fight with and may wind up dead
But we've voted to stand up and fight them instead
And we might keep them from getting through
Flight 93 no more will fly
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky
You might not survive, but at least you can try
Stand up and bring the ship down
Thomas Burdett phoned his wife several times
Reporting the course of the fight
He said one man's been stabbed and we can't reach the cockpit
But somehow we'll alter the flight
We've guessed that the target is likely the White House
And if we fail we'll surely die
We've nothing to fight with except our bare hands
But we'll keep on fighting until the plane lands
One way or the other, we've taken our stand
My darling, I love you, goodbye
Flight 93 no more will fly
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky
You might not survive, but at least you can try
Stand up and bring the ship down
Jason the pilot could hear the whole tale
He'd signaled as well as he could
He saw that the terrorists still held the cockpit
And one way to stop them for good
He watched as the passengers battled and died
And knew that no help would be found
The guard was distracted, just one chance to win
There's one case where suicide isn't a sin
He weighed all his chances and said hogger in
And drove the ship into the ground
Flight 93 no more will fly
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky
You might not survive, but at least you can try
Stand up and bring the ship down
Down down bring the ship down
Down down bring the ship down
Flight 93 hit the ground at full speed
And no one aboard her survives
But the White House still stands and a few thousand folks
Can thank those aboard for their lives
There's no guarantee when the bad guys come in
That they won't kill us all to a man
So when some fanatics are out to have fun
There's nowhere to hide and there's nowhere to run
Then pray that the law lets you carry a gun
But fight back however you can
Flight 93 no more will fly
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky
You might not survive, but at least you can try
Stand up and bring the ship down
Three Ahmeds, Siad, and Said
He said “auger in.”
An auger is a chisel-like drill used by pushing the blunt end with your palm. “Auger in” is an Air Force term for a nose dive into the ground.
@lemonfemale You're right that this was no ordinary hijacking. However, I've never been a big fan of non-resistance. Holding your fire till the right moment when it will do the most good makes sense. Resisting because "money" or "time" or "honor" is less important than lives makes much less sense -- and sets a very bad precedent. Good for you on packing a box cutter, but why not also a gun?
Phew
@GrigoriZhukov "Innocent", in this context, is someone who has done you no harm. "Scapegoat" is someone who is made to pay for another's sin. You proposed bombing Mecca. Mecca is a city in Saudi Arabia with a population of 1.7 million. How many of those people do you think are terrorists?
Can't seem to figure the chords for this
Leslie uses a 12-string. Could that be the issue?
WHY NOT
@LadyMarPai
That's just an old myth, sorry. Check snopes
I am not against all guns, but I do think the laws that we have about guns need to be enforced as well as laws closing down loopholes. The private sellers at gun shows and internet sales are what I'm talking about.
I was a soldier and I've also had a gun held to my head at a different time, at work. I don't think we all need to run around acting like Rambo, with guns in hand to make our country safer.
Stormgryph gun sales over the internet do need a background check
Every gun show I've been to makes you go through a FFL holder to purchase a firearm, if that gives you any comfort.
On top of that, all of the concealed carry training I've ever seen talks about how important restraint and attempts to de-escalate are, and that actually drawing is an absolute last resort.
The Gun show loophole is a myth and has been for decades, you need a FFL in order to be a dealer at all, nevermind at a gun show, the only potential loophole is through a single person selling a gun to another single person, which doesn’t require a license because it’s a private transaction.
@TheHellnextdoor Why not sing about it? Folksingers and filksingers are not known for avoiding "touchy subjects." In this case, Leslie Fish has something important to say, something you may not have heard before.
@SteveM1911A1: Ok. Then prove it.
@AyaKatz: Because, they don't want us carving up someone whom we SUSPECT of terrorism, in a tightly enclosed space, a space that clearly drives some people a little crazy. We want to combat terrorists while up there, ok, cool. That's why I think we should put, like, cops or whoever up there. Let a professional deal with the heroic stuff. Because, a stressed out xenophobe, or just someone afraid of flying, now armed with a knife? I think that's as much a possible danger as a terrorist.
@lindahl01 sorry dude...didn't realize i replied on the wrong damn poster, never ever post when undercaffinated or under the influence of a parrot eating your ear.
Endking,
You say that guns are bad for one reason (cabin pressure) but knives are bad for a different reason (gung ho vigilantes who attack the innocent on mere suspicion.) Your argument is unprincipled: only "cops" and "bad guys" should have weapons. What makes you so sure cops won't pierce the hull or shoot the wrong person? Is the state authority conferred on them what makes them so much better than ordinary mortals?
yea i enjoy this. though im russian. not all capitalists are cowards and sheeps
Not all Russians are Bolshevik's. :)
Are you for or against the Bolshevik's revelation in Russia? Just curious, also what is the general opinion on this matter in Russia? I am American, so I was looking for an insider's perspective.
You mean when Lenin was smuggled in by the Germans to sabotage the Russian Republic's war effort and overthrow President Kerensky, right? That "revolution"?
Not all nazis are evil too.
Zenek I agree look at Oscar Schindler
@AyaKatz Sadly I don't know. Sorry.
@shdowhunt60 Read the OT. Jehovah orders plenty of bloodbaths for the uncircumcised. Saul lost his job as king because he wouldn't kill all those he was ordered to kill. But the really telling part is that the deity has the same hangups in both cases: not eating pork, circumcision, not drawing pictures of any living things. These are idiosyncrasies that help to identify him as a specific god. The only difference is the favored in-group. Compared to other gods around the globe: No resemblance.
@morleydotes666
On 9/11 I was in the Missouri Ozarks with my two year old daughter in a motel, shopping for a house to live in. We had just finished our global travels. If you would like to read more about it, you can follow this link:
Hatred and bigotry cannot be worked against directly, because they are feelings and thoughts. The victims of 9/11 were not victims of other people's feelings or beliefs -- they were victims of violent action directed against them. The best way to avoid falling victim is for every potential victim to be armed and ready.
I am glad that you stand firmly behind the second amendment and are able to act when necessary. But when going to war, just as in avenging a personal wrong, it is immensely important to go after the party that broke the peace -- and not some innocent scapegoat. Otherwise, you are no better than they are.
There is no right about war, it only cares about who is left. I was there at ground zero on 9/11, and unlike most of those who ran away I was running into the smoke with nothing but a fire extinguisher and a med kit. I saved all I could.
But at the end, all I did was what I needed to do to save lives in accordance with the oath I swore to uphold...defend all against all threats, both foreign and domestic.
HMC M.J. Ashcraft, USN(RET)
*If a man does not resent slight injustices, he will soon be called upon to face giant wrongs.* _~Confucius_
@musicluvr1974 I don't see that your evidence shows what you think it does. Yahweh does not originate in the New Testament. We meet him first in the Old Testament. There are many people who believe in Yahweh who do not accept the New Testament. On the other hand, the New Testament specifically says that it builds on what is in the OT. The Koran tells many of the same stories about Allah as are told about Yahweh in the Old Testament. It's the same character.
@wynndwolfsong Why is it a touchy subject unless you've got an ox being gored or the children were raised on lies about what happened. The conundrum is what is fact what is the truth and what makes you think they are the same. Yes I'm the kid in class who ALWAYS how do you know and what makes you think that is correct?
There is nothing touchy about the subject. Only touchy subject I can see is when is TSA going to do a security system that works?
I feel sorry for any children you may encounter ~.~
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