Tom well done brother. It would be been nice at the end when you asked him" is it possible " for him to answer with a "yes or no." Well done for trying.......thankyou for your work. It a piece of the puzzle that in my mind that finally fits. God bless Vaughn
@thehumanjesus yes I do believe the angle of the Lord. The angel of the Lord did not say that in that miracle Joseph sperm would not be used. Clearly she became pregnant before the couple came together but it's still possible through the miracle that Joseph is still the biological father meaning the geneology of Jesus given in Matthew actually means something.
@thehumanjesus Yes it is......she became pregnant before they came together.......so it is by holy spirit or if you like by a miracle that she conceived. What you are failing to recognize is that the holy spirit could have taken a sperm from Joseph and put it in Mary to bring about the pregnancy. If that's the case then Joseph is the Father and what is conceived has come from the holy spirit. So I do believe the angle of the Lord to answer your question.
Tom, this person proves the most key issue. If Jesus is not of the seed of David, meaning the father of age, then Jesus cannot be Messiah, the anointed one of the king. End of story. There is no other solution other than to reevaluate the validity of the virgin birth, I’m willing to come on your show to explain the virgin issues both sides..
@@unitariananabaptist did you forget you already have been communicating with me? You didn’t tell me what topics, but given this issue’s importance I could explain the evidence bot sides, and my recommendation. Blessings Doug
at 43:11 : Psalm 132: 11-12 : "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit (Mip-Peri= Mipperi) of thy body (Beten-eka= Betneka) will I set upon thy throne. If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore." = nothing to do with female offspring od David Ha'Melek, to be the oen to give birth to Mashiah Yeshua ! It is talking bout "The Oath of God made to Abraham, Isaac and Yaakob, and to David, to give to his "seed" threw Solomon, so to The Mashiah of God, The Most Favoured Son of The Promise The Kingdom of God ! Amen
No one can be fully aware of the Birth Narratives without having read “Jesus’ Biological Father was Joseph: According to the New Testament” (DS WAGGONER). It’s not exhaustive, but definitely reveals specific facts about Jesus’ birth which scholars sweep under the rug.
and the "seed" of David is "metaphorical" !!! really??? ! is this the level of the sages of this age ??? so the son of God is litteral now also for Carlos? or A "Spiritual and Sacerdotal Title" ? or the Title of King of David is it fro Carlos "metaphorical" also??? 😀 or how to reverse the whole path of God !!! this is insane !
TO BE SENT FORTH YOU HAVE TO BE A PROPHET THERE ARE ADOTPED SONS BUT THERE IS AN ONLY CHIEF THE MOST HIGHLY FAVOURED SON ELEVATED TO THE PERFECT IMAGE OF GOD AMEN Galatiym/Exiled/Diaspora : "But when The Fulness of The Time was come, God ""SENT FORTH"" ""HIS SON"", ""Made of A Woman"", ""Made Under The Law"", ""to redeem them that wereUunder The Law"", ""that we might receive"" ""THE ADOPTION ""OF SONS"". And because ye are ""SONS"", God hath ""SENT FORTH"" ""THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON"" ""into your hearts"", crying, ""Abba, Father"". Wherefore thou art no more ""A SERVENT"", "but" ""A SON"" ; and if ""A SON"", then ""AN HEIR OF GOD"" ""through Mashiah""."
@@thehumanjesus so show me where Gabriel tols Maryam that she would conceive withour joseph ??? and it is right we have to believe what God sent Gabriel to tell to Maryam... as in Luke she was not even pregnant !!! Gabriel told her that she would conveive in her room, but Marya was still agunah/betrothed as the ceremony had not happened... by traditions ONLY, she could not have had sex with joseph yet !!! but God showed by this the Supreacy of HIS LAW all Traditions ! return to Adam and Eve, and after the blottinf out of the condemantion curse of the golden calf !!! PREPARATE BIEN CARLOS §§§§§§§
I was resurrected from death to life eternal when I bevame a New Adam, a new creation by my miracle new birth. Jesus is not the only one. Yhwh is also my literal father. Hopefully he is yours too.
Carlos said to me that if I needed, he could come to shut up me on this topic ! Please Tom, set it on your channel... Carlos is too shy, or better he is talking too quick then.... shush!
Everyone who believes in the words of the Father and has faith in his promises and repent for the FORGIVENESS of their sins are then begotten of the Fathers incorruptible seed (put on incorruption) and born of his Spirit (puts on immortality). We are all resurrected divine eloheim (psalm 82:6) and declared the Son of God just like Jesus was. Psalm 2:7, Romans 1:4, Romans 8:11. There's no difference between Jesus and every other firstborn or firstfruits of the Fathers Spirit. This is all noted thruout the OT and NT. We will sit on the Fathers throne judging the nations and we will inherit all things. Revelation 3:21, Matthew 19:28, Revelation 21:7. Jesus is our brother not our creator. The miracle birth is the New Birth via the spiritual holy city New Jerusalem, the mother of us all. Galations 4:21-31. The virgin daughter of Zion that travails in childbirth with her firstborn.
how a so called believe may even think that Joseph was so unrighteous to try to conceal the adultery of his wife ? if it's not enough, how then a person may call Maryam "virgin" till she gave birth although she went to be called "espoused" and even Joseph "Husband" without having had any sexual intercourse? as marriage has always been about SEX ?! ans so many proves the arge any don't want to discern... ! what's spirit behind this ??? you know ! In Matthew in chapter 1, There are 5 Women mentioned... I'd love your opinion?! What do they have in common? verse 3: "Judah begat 'of THAMAR' Phares and Zara;..." verse 5: "Salmon begat Boaz 'of RAHAB'; Boaz begat Obed "of RUTH"; Obed begat Isai; verse 6: "Isai begat David. King David begat Solomon "of THE WOMAN OF URIAH";..." verse 16: "Yacob begat Yoseph, the Bridegroom 'OF MYRIAM', 'FROM WHOM' Yeshua was born, who is called 'Mashiah.'" Acts 13 23: "It is from the seed of David that God, according to His Promise, has raised up in Israel a Liberator, who is Yeshua." Deuteronomy 18 18: "I will raise up to them from the midst of their Brethren A Prophet like you, I will put My Words in his mouth, and he will tell them all that I command him." How can we still think "coming in the flesh" can apply to a man born without a natural father but only by God ?! Like Trinity or whatever save The Sane Monotheistic Doctrine, you won't find any testimony of that in Tanakh so... instead, you will find that "coming in the flesh" is just to be born without any other idea... The Mashiah "came in the flesh" was to them to undestand The Blotting out of the National Curse cause the Golden Calf ! The Man Yeshua whose God appointed now, had been "born in the flesh", "he was here with them" ! A Man/Human like you and I, but "The Chosen of God" for "Reconciliation with Israel in the flesh", and All Gentiles, no ore Curse, but The Final Judgment at the Return of The Mashiah ! "Coming in the flesh" for Yeshua, it was to appear at the end of the time of ignorance for the Jews first, than for the Gentiles who's never had "The Torah" !
just as a reminder ! 😉 Shophetim 13 "The Birth of The Little Sun of God" "... And The Children of Israel did evil again in THe Sight of The LORD; and The LORD delivered them into The Hand of The Philistines forty years. ... And there was A Certain Man of Zorah, of The Family of The Danites, whose name was ""Manoah"" ; ""and His Wife was Barren"", ""and bare not"". ... And The Angel of The LORD appeared unto The Woman, and said unto her, ""Behold now, ""thou art Barren"", ""and bearest not"" : ""but"" "thou shalt conceive, and bear A Son"". Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing: ""For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear A Son"" ; ""and no rasor shall come on his head: for the child shall be ""A Nazarite unto God from The Womb"" : ""and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of The Hand of The Philistines."" ... Then The Woman came and told Her Husband, saying, ""A Man of God came unto me, and His Countenance was like The Countenance of An Angel of God, very terrible"" : ""but"" ""I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name"" : ""But"" ""he said unto me, ""Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear A Son"" ; ""and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing"" : ""for ""The Child shall be A Nazarite to God from The Womb to The Day of His Death."" ... Then Manoah intreated The LORD, and said, ""O My Lord, let The Man of God which thou didst send come again unto us, and ""Teach us what we shall do unto ""The Child"" that shall be born""."" ... And God hearkened to The Voice of Manoah; and The Angel of God came again unto The Woman as she sat in The Field : ""but"" ""Manoah Her Husband was not with her"". And The Woman made haste, and ran, and shewed Her Husband, and said unto him, ""Behold, The Man hath appeared unto me, that came unto me the other day."" ... And Manoah arose, and went after His Wife, and came to The Man, and said unto him, ""Art thou The Man that spakest unto The Woman ?"" And he said, ""I am."" ... And Manoah said, ""Now let Thy Words come to pass. How shall we order The Child, and how shall we do unto Him ?"" ... And The Angel of The LORD said unto Manoah, ""Of all that I said unto The Woman let her beware. She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing : "all that I commanded her let her observe"." ... And Manoah said unto The Angel of The LORD, ""I pray thee, let us detain thee, until we shall have made ready ""A Kid"" for thee."" ... And The Angel of The LORD said unto Manoah, ""Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread"" : ""and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD."" ... For Manoah knew not that he was An Angel of The LORD. And Manoah said unto The Angel of The LORD, ""What is Thy Name, that when Thy Sayings come to pass we may do thee Honour ?"" ... And The Angel of The LORD said unto him, ""Why askest thou thus after My Name, seeing it is Secret ?"" ... So Manoah took "A Kid" with a meat offering, and offered it upon "A Rock" unto The LORD : and The Angel did wondrously; and Manoah and His Wife looked on. For it came to pass, when The Flame went up toward Heaven from off The Altar, that The Angel of The LORD ascended in The Flame of The Altar. And Manoah and His Wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground."" ... But The Angel of The LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to His Wife. Then Manoah knew that he was An Angel of The LORD. And Manoah said unto His Wife, ""We shall surely die, because we have seen God."" ... But His Wife said unto him, ""If The LORD were pleased to kill us, he would not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our hands, neither would he have shewed us all these things, nor would as at this time have told us such things as these""."" ... And The Woman bare ""A Son"", and called his name ""Samson"" : and The Child grew, and The LORD blessed him. "And The Spirit of The LORD" "began to move him" "at times" "in The Camp of Dan between Zorah and Eshtaol."" AMEN
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Tom well done brother. It would be been nice at the end when you asked him" is it possible " for him to answer with a "yes or no." Well done for trying.......thankyou for your work. It a piece of the puzzle that in my mind that finally fits.
God bless Vaughn
Thank you Vaughn for your encouragement.
The question should be:
Do you believe the angel of the Lord (Mat 1.18-20; Luke 1.30-35)?
@thehumanjesus yes I do believe the angle of the Lord. The angel of the Lord did not say that in that miracle Joseph sperm would not be used. Clearly she became pregnant before the couple came together but it's still possible through the miracle that Joseph is still the biological father meaning the geneology of Jesus given in Matthew actually means something.
@@vaughnmadsen7966 The angel clearly says it's by holy spirit, Mat 1:15; Luke 1:35).
@thehumanjesus Yes it is......she became pregnant before they came together.......so it is by holy spirit or if you like by a miracle that she conceived. What you are failing to recognize is that the holy spirit could have taken a sperm from Joseph and put it in Mary to bring about the pregnancy. If that's the case then Joseph is the Father and what is conceived has come from the holy spirit.
So I do believe the angle of the Lord to answer your question.
Tom, this person proves the most key issue. If Jesus is not of the seed of David, meaning the father of age, then Jesus cannot be Messiah, the anointed one of the king. End of story. There is no other solution other than to reevaluate the validity of the virgin birth, I’m willing to come on your show to explain the virgin issues both sides..
My email address is tomhuszti@gmail. com.
You may be a good candidate for an interview on this topic.
Amen! It's a dangerous thing to disbelief angels from God.
@@unitariananabaptist did you forget you already have been communicating with me? You didn’t tell me what topics, but given this issue’s importance I could explain the evidence bot sides, and my recommendation. Blessings Doug
at 43:11 :
Psalm 132: 11-12 : "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit (Mip-Peri= Mipperi) of thy body (Beten-eka= Betneka) will I set upon thy throne. If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore."
= nothing to do with female offspring od David Ha'Melek, to be the oen to give birth to Mashiah Yeshua !
It is talking bout "The Oath of God made to Abraham, Isaac and Yaakob, and to David, to give to his "seed" threw Solomon, so to The Mashiah of God, The Most Favoured Son of The Promise The Kingdom of God !
Amen
please Carlos DON'T GREEK US OUT OVER MORE STOP IT :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
the people saying Jesus is God are not Christian
No one can be fully aware of the Birth Narratives without having read “Jesus’ Biological Father was Joseph: According to the New Testament” (DS WAGGONER). It’s not exhaustive, but definitely reveals specific facts about Jesus’ birth which scholars sweep under the rug.
I would love to interview D.S, Waggoner.
Do you know her?
I wonder also if you could be interviewed Deborah ? Your name is great in Israel.
@@unitariananabaptist let’s talk! Send me a DM. This all sounds good to me
i don't understand how Jesus wouldn't be dead in sin if he was literally fathered by Joseph.
and the "seed" of David is "metaphorical" !!! really??? ! is this the level of the sages of this age ???
so the son of God is litteral now also for Carlos? or A "Spiritual and Sacerdotal Title" ?
or the Title of King of David is it fro Carlos "metaphorical" also??? 😀
or how to reverse the whole path of God !!! this is insane !
Tom ! did not really Carlos know Philip called Yeshua "the son of Joseph??? for real ??? how many debates he yet made??? wwooowowwww!!!!
TO BE SENT FORTH YOU HAVE TO BE A PROPHET
THERE ARE ADOTPED SONS BUT THERE IS AN ONLY CHIEF THE MOST HIGHLY FAVOURED SON ELEVATED TO THE PERFECT IMAGE OF GOD
AMEN
Galatiym/Exiled/Diaspora :
"But when The Fulness of The Time was come, God ""SENT FORTH"" ""HIS SON"", ""Made of A Woman"", ""Made Under The Law"", ""to redeem them that wereUunder The Law"", ""that we might receive"" ""THE ADOPTION ""OF SONS"".
And because ye are ""SONS"", God hath ""SENT FORTH"" ""THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON"" ""into your hearts"", crying, ""Abba, Father"".
Wherefore thou art no more ""A SERVENT"", "but" ""A SON"" ; and if ""A SON"", then ""AN HEIR OF GOD"" ""through Mashiah""."
FINALLY CARLOS CONFESSES at 1: 06 : 25 : "... we just have to believe by faith In the virgin birth OF Jesus..." 🤢
Yes, we must believe, i.e., have faith, in what angels of God say.
@@thehumanjesus so show me where Gabriel tols Maryam that she would conceive withour joseph ??? and it is right we have to believe what God sent Gabriel to tell to Maryam... as in Luke she was not even pregnant !!! Gabriel told her that she would conveive in her room, but Marya was still agunah/betrothed as the ceremony had not happened... by traditions ONLY, she could not have had sex with joseph yet !!! but God showed by this the Supreacy of HIS LAW all Traditions ! return to Adam and Eve, and after the blottinf out of the condemantion curse of the golden calf !!!
PREPARATE BIEN CARLOS §§§§§§§
I was resurrected from death to life eternal when I bevame a New Adam, a new creation by my miracle new birth. Jesus is not the only one. Yhwh is also my literal father. Hopefully he is yours too.
Carlos said to me that if I needed, he could come to shut up me on this topic !
Please Tom, set it on your channel... Carlos is too shy, or better he is talking too quick then.... shush!
Everyone who believes in the words of the Father and has faith in his promises and repent for the FORGIVENESS of their sins are then begotten of the Fathers incorruptible seed (put on incorruption) and born of his Spirit (puts on immortality). We are all resurrected divine eloheim (psalm 82:6) and declared the Son of God just like Jesus was. Psalm 2:7, Romans 1:4, Romans 8:11. There's no difference between Jesus and every other firstborn or firstfruits of the Fathers Spirit. This is all noted thruout the OT and NT. We will sit on the Fathers throne judging the nations and we will inherit all things. Revelation 3:21, Matthew 19:28, Revelation 21:7.
Jesus is our brother not our creator. The miracle birth is the New Birth via the spiritual holy city New Jerusalem, the mother of us all. Galations 4:21-31. The virgin daughter of Zion that travails in childbirth with her firstborn.
I can see your annoyance Tom !😂🤫
how a so called believe may even think that Joseph was so unrighteous to try to conceal the adultery of his wife ? if it's not enough, how then a person may call Maryam "virgin" till she gave birth although she went to be called "espoused" and even Joseph "Husband" without having had any sexual intercourse? as marriage has always been about SEX ?! ans so many proves the arge any don't want to discern... ! what's spirit behind this ??? you know !
In Matthew in chapter 1, There are 5 Women mentioned... I'd love your opinion?! What do they have in common?
verse 3: "Judah begat 'of THAMAR' Phares and Zara;..."
verse 5: "Salmon begat Boaz 'of RAHAB'; Boaz begat Obed "of RUTH"; Obed begat Isai;
verse 6: "Isai begat David. King David begat Solomon "of THE WOMAN OF URIAH";..."
verse 16: "Yacob begat Yoseph, the Bridegroom 'OF MYRIAM', 'FROM WHOM' Yeshua was born, who is called 'Mashiah.'"
Acts 13 23: "It is from the seed of David that God, according to His Promise, has raised up in Israel a Liberator, who is Yeshua."
Deuteronomy 18 18: "I will raise up to them from the midst of their Brethren A Prophet like you, I will put My Words in his mouth, and he will tell them all that I command him."
How can we still think "coming in the flesh" can apply to a man born without a natural father but only by God ?!
Like Trinity or whatever save The Sane Monotheistic Doctrine, you won't find any testimony of that in Tanakh so... instead, you will find that "coming in the flesh" is just to be born without any other idea...
The Mashiah "came in the flesh" was to them to undestand The Blotting out of the National Curse cause the Golden Calf !
The Man Yeshua whose God appointed now, had been "born in the flesh", "he was here with them" !
A Man/Human like you and I, but "The Chosen of God" for "Reconciliation with Israel in the flesh", and All Gentiles, no ore Curse, but The Final Judgment at the Return of The Mashiah !
"Coming in the flesh" for Yeshua, it was to appear at the end of the time of ignorance for the Jews first, than for the Gentiles who's never had "The Torah" !
just as a reminder ! 😉
Shophetim 13 "The Birth of The Little Sun of God"
"... And The Children of Israel did evil again in THe Sight of The LORD; and The LORD delivered them into The Hand of The Philistines forty years.
... And there was A Certain Man of Zorah, of The Family of The Danites, whose name was ""Manoah"" ; ""and His Wife was Barren"", ""and bare not"".
... And The Angel of The LORD appeared unto The Woman, and said unto her, ""Behold now, ""thou art Barren"", ""and bearest not"" : ""but"" "thou shalt conceive, and bear A Son"". Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing: ""For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear A Son"" ; ""and no rasor shall come on his head: for the child shall be ""A Nazarite unto God from The Womb"" : ""and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of The Hand of The Philistines.""
... Then The Woman came and told Her Husband, saying, ""A Man of God came unto me, and His Countenance was like The Countenance of An Angel of God, very terrible"" : ""but"" ""I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name"" : ""But"" ""he said unto me, ""Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear A Son"" ; ""and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing"" : ""for ""The Child shall be A Nazarite to God from The Womb to The Day of His Death.""
... Then Manoah intreated The LORD, and said, ""O My Lord, let The Man of God which thou didst send come again unto us, and ""Teach us what we shall do unto ""The Child"" that shall be born"".""
... And God hearkened to The Voice of Manoah; and The Angel of God came again unto The Woman as she sat in The Field : ""but"" ""Manoah Her Husband was not with her"". And The Woman made haste, and ran, and shewed Her Husband, and said unto him, ""Behold, The Man hath appeared unto me, that came unto me the other day.""
... And Manoah arose, and went after His Wife, and came to The Man, and said unto him, ""Art thou The Man that spakest unto The Woman ?"" And he said, ""I am.""
... And Manoah said, ""Now let Thy Words come to pass. How shall we order The Child, and how shall we do unto Him ?""
... And The Angel of The LORD said unto Manoah, ""Of all that I said unto The Woman let her beware. She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing : "all that I commanded her let her observe"."
... And Manoah said unto The Angel of The LORD, ""I pray thee, let us detain thee, until we shall have made ready ""A Kid"" for thee.""
... And The Angel of The LORD said unto Manoah, ""Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread"" : ""and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD.""
... For Manoah knew not that he was An Angel of The LORD. And Manoah said unto The Angel of The LORD, ""What is Thy Name, that when Thy Sayings come to pass we may do thee Honour ?""
... And The Angel of The LORD said unto him, ""Why askest thou thus after My Name, seeing it is Secret ?""
... So Manoah took "A Kid" with a meat offering, and offered it upon "A Rock" unto The LORD : and The Angel did wondrously; and Manoah and His Wife looked on. For it came to pass, when The Flame went up toward Heaven from off The Altar, that The Angel of The LORD ascended in The Flame of The Altar. And Manoah and His Wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.""
... But The Angel of The LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to His Wife. Then Manoah knew that he was An Angel of The LORD. And Manoah said unto His Wife, ""We shall surely die, because we have seen God.""
... But His Wife said unto him, ""If The LORD were pleased to kill us, he would not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our hands, neither would he have shewed us all these things, nor would as at this time have told us such things as these"".""
... And The Woman bare ""A Son"", and called his name ""Samson"" : and The Child grew, and The LORD blessed him. "And The Spirit of The LORD" "began to move him" "at times" "in The Camp of Dan between Zorah and Eshtaol.""
AMEN
You mean disbelief. 🙄😢
@@thehumanjesus what do you mean by "disbelief"? 😄
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