The Real, True Story of the Mystery of the East Bay Walls | Bay Curious
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2018
- "Who built the East Bay mystery walls? They appear to be ancient, many hundreds or even thousands of years old."
Little is known about the rock walls, found in fragments from the Berkeley Hills clear down to the high ridges above Fremont and San Jose.
With little in the way of hard facts about the East Bay walls, people have filled those gaps with all sorts of fanciful theorizing over the last 120 years. But here, alas, is the real story.
Reporter: Dan Brekke
Video: Adam Grossberg
These same walls are found all over New England. Farmers when tilling the soil, would move the rocks they dug up. 1. Get rid of them from the area they plan to farm 2. Mark their property lines and 3. To corral cattle. Leave it to humans to romanticize and fantasize about the most mundane things, literally making mountains out of mole hills, or rock walls for this instance.
Yep. Same thing everywhere in Europe too - tons of rocks piled up into fences and used other landscaping efforts came from the fields as they were tilled. Farmers move on, fields grow wild, rocks remain - zero mystery.
Why do humans want to see aliens being responsible when no such being has ever existed exist?
@@jmeyer4266 So they can blame all our problems on others.
Why do many of the walls go to a depth of more than 20ft?
Why are there several areas designed in patterns that would have nothing to do with farming or grazing?
Why do many of the walls not only reach I sane depths, but are also found UNDER massive boulders which are also “cut” in specific formats not typical for random rocks just “there”.
Could go on for days
It’s the age of the wall that’s the mystery
1840s built by basque sheepherders, you can find miles of then on the other side of the valley footing the Sierra Nevada....
Those walls predate every known settlement in recorded history. And the way many of them are arranged would not in any way serve as containment or could be construed as property lines. They are so random and strangely designed that they appear more decorative than functional. In the Shasta region as well as the Sutter Buttes, sections of some walls are below the earliest known lava and basalt flows. That's over 250,000 years. Mysterious just got older.
@@Joshualbm Have you dug to the base of any of these walls ?
@@Joshualbm Please explain how you can date rock walls? Also there is ZERO scientific proof that humans existed 250,000 years ago.
@Lightbulb Man except that those walls in Butte county were all built around 1900
@Lightbulb Man What is your observation about these walls, age, origin, function... Not sure about hunting containment, how would that work and why so many, deer and antelope could easily jump these.
I have been musing about these for over 60 years and heard many stories..
I am looking for logic, maybe there is none.
As to age dating rocks, it is possible given some circumstances ..
They certainly don't appear to be Nazca style , too big, too tall.
As to the Basques, possible but out in north central Nevada where I lived as a kid, lots of Basques, lots of sheep, lots of rock, no walls.
And as to the Paiutes and Shoshone, no containment walls for deer and antelope.
These walls look more like lines of division.. but by whom.
clearly the rivalry between the 510 and 925 goes way back
925 was 510 when I was kid
@@ryanjones6030 When I was a kid, it was all 415
Is was 415 for us, now we live in 405
When I moved to this place there were so many rocks scattered on the landscape which made it difficult to keep mowed for fire safety. I started gathering the rocks little each week and finally had enough to build a BBQ and a small wall. This banker came by to pu his brother and as we were sitting on the porch talking he asked, "Are those real rocks?" He is from Marin County so I suppose fake rocks are all over the place there.
Looks like boundary walls. Maybe to keep cattle in?
I have studied local native American tribes in California, including Ohlone for 50 years. I saw one researcher state, "native Americans in the SF Bay did not have the capacity to build walls". BS. There are fish trap walls on the Bay between Redwood City and San Carlos and another fish trap wall built on the Alameda Estuary. Both can be seen at extreme low king tides and built by the Ohlones. I recently spent numerous hours looking at the south bay walls above Milpitas on Google Earth. The is a strong parallel where sections of these walls are visible at the top of a reintrent at the ridge top. I feel these are game trap walls. There were enormous amounts of Tule Elk living in the Bay marshes for 10,000 years or more. I also know it was difficult for one person with a spear to get close enough to bring down an elk. There is also a long history of Native Americans using fire on the prairies to trap game. My strong feeling, although I don't have proof, is that the Ohlone used fire to funnel elk up into the reintrent and then the game were blocked by these walls. At this junction many people converged on the game from behind the walls with spears and brought them down.
This makes the most sense out of everything ive read
Can you elaborate more on the Ohlone fish trap walls?
How would humans " not have the capacity to build walls" of stacked stones?
If the walls predate the Spanish then this is a logical explanation. Otherwise I think they were built by the early Spanish settlers.
@Pop Ease ron.tussy@gmail.com
"I'm Scott Woltors. The history we have been taught is wrong."
That "archaeologist" needs to go back to school and study history. The Presidio was established by the Spanish in 1776 became a Mexican Province in 1821. This was all long before the Gold Rush in 1848. These walls could not have been used as corral or ranching for the simple reason they are not contiguous; they do NOT enclosed an area and are broken up is so many segments it is simply stupid to label them as for ranching purposes.
He’s being “Caucasian centric”, as people tend to be when they think in terms of their own culture being predominant. I agree with you, more than likely it was Spanish colonizers that built these walls
@@edgarallenpwned3538 For what purpose?
@@MzJust1girl You don't need to fully enclose an area to simply redirect animals to where you want them to be.
I live in Texas and work on a golf course. The course I work on has a rock wall running along the #3 hole and used to run up to #5 tees. The wall is historic, its marks the boundary/property line in one of the old German settlements.
During the Spanish era in California from the 1770's up to the 1840's (yeah, I know about 1821), the horses and cattle free ranged and FLOURISHED (sheep were herded). There were trading ships that annually came around to the West coast for anything of value (Two Years Before the Mast, is a GREAT read), mainly furs and cattle hides. In order to "contain" the livestock to certain regional limits, wooden and stone barriers, in conjunction with natural barriers, were created using the "forced labor" native population, the same as they did over the rest of the "New World". As long as the livestock were kept in a "visible" or "limited" range, they were easy enough to "round up" and harvest. California was a "livestock paradise" in those times and the barriers or fences could be totally crude, as there was no reason for cattle to make an effort to cross any obstacle in its path (just like animal trails in the wilderness aways follow the path of least resistance). These rock walls are located in the more treeless areas, where there were trees and brush, that was employed. This is no "mystery", it's just knowing a little, easy to obtain, interesting history and economics of a region.
@Lightbulb Man I didn't say, "built before livestock", what I said was the horses and cattle (that the Spanish introduced) flourished in the California region and they "free ranged" them. It would be very logical to create simple barriers to prevent livestock wandering from a certain area, so the barriers or walls were more than likely built BECAUSE OF LIVESTOCK. The "Spanish" of that roughly 70 year era (mid 1770's to 1846) lived in a paradise of plenty and had enslaved the native population to carry out their every whim, it's more than reasonable to believe they are the ones that built these crude walls. The limited history we have of that era is almost all from the accounts of visitors, one thing always stands out, and that is the abundance of cattle and horses, cattle hides have always been a valuable trading commodity just like "buffalo" hides years later. I don't feel you read my comment very carefully, as what I stated was very logical, reasonable, and based on true historic information.
Id like to check that book out
Spot on. Exactly my conclusion from extensive reading about California history.
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These and similar walls are all over California and elsewhere. They were sometimes used to delineate property and sometimes to separate fields or pastures but primarily to clear the rocks from fields for agriculture and/or grazing. The lichens look old but many of the stones were already lichen covered when laying on the ground. Yes, there are more rocks in the fields but you can ask any farmer; fields "grow" rocks. The natural freeze/thaw cycle and wet/dry seasons continuously push rock up to the surface from below.
The ones forming a straight line are clearly for property lines or livestock enclosures. They are squared off, stacked by taking time and straight. Some are a lot more "archaic", stop and start, zig zag and are found at the top of re-entrants and/or hill tops. Go look at Lake Del Valle out of Livermore. As you are leaving the campground, heading uphill, turn left and on the right look at the hilltop. This is the start of the Ohlone Wilderness area. You will see a short "archaic" ring wall just below the top of the hill and re-entrant (valley between hills). part of the wall has fallen down the hill. This is a game wall built by the Ohlone. There once was a creek where LAke Del Valle is now. Tule elk would go there to drink. The Ohlones would light a fire behind the elk and chase the elk up the valley to the hilltop wall, they would be slowed by the wall where Ohlone men would spear the elk. Simple. Ingenious. Inventive. Natural.
Freeze-thaw cycle would put every rock in the north on the surface. Didn't happen.
That's the common explanation, but there is no hard evidence to support it. I've visited the walls in the foothills east of modesto and my impression is that they predate white settlers. The areas where I've seen them are not farmland and the field around them are still littered with the same type of rocks. If they were meant to clear the land they didn't do a very good job of it. I wonder if anyone has dated organic matter from under the base of the walls. That should narrow it down to an era at least.
They are at many places in the world. Scotland, Spain, Australia and more.
These walls were built before the Gold Rush and before the Spanish settlers of the early 1800s as they had documented their existence upon arrival. The local native tribes have been questioned but even they state that the existence of the walls predated their ancestors. Therefore the earliest known man to the area say the walls were there before they arrived. Nobody knows where they came from. The height of the walls, depth of the walls beneath the earth, length of the walls, patterns of the walls, and size of the stones indicate that they were built a very long time ago, over a very long period of time by a large number of people.
The natives put this wall there. Before fences came into play we used rock walls to divide portions of land from one to the next so you know where the lines are drawn to avoid disputes or to prevent your cattle from mixing into the other man's cattle. In Mexico most farm land is still divided this way. People often get hurt when traveling and climbing them to take short cuts. My great aunt fell from climbing over a wall and broke her leg she was alone and had to drag herself for many miles before she was able to find help. Amazing strength she had to be able to do that when I myself had to take many breaks walking through the same area on foot.
@Lightbulb Man north American natives pre colonialism never settled in a specific area permanently so the theory you have doesn't fly because of that reason. They wouldn't build walls like that knowing that they could leave at any moment so that had to be the 1800s.
@Lightbulb Man the tribes dependent on hunting were nomadic the ones who settled were not dependant on hunting they would have been dependant on agriculture and grazing for their animals which would be an explanation for these walls. They dont have be complete barriers either especially when you need to be moving large herds to water sources every day. I think you are desperate to push forth your theory and clearly offended that nobody buys it. Ok so you snuck up on a deer one day because of the wall ok we get it but certainly a hunter would have had the skills to do the same without the need for a barrier. Just like Islanders do not need lures and nets to catch fish and can get by with just a spear alone which is not easy for a normal person to do because somehow the fish notice us before you can even toss the spear unlike an islander who seem to have an ability to sneak up on them unnoticed and not just sit there and wait for a fish all the time.
The natives said they didn’t know who built the walls they were there before them try again
Two words , Hunter Gatherers , they had no use for animal pins
NATIVE AMERICANS
Native Americans were not ranchers they were either hunters or gatherers. Cattle or sheep came over with the Spaniards. These are fences for ranching
This isn't even meant to be rude but it's pretty well known that natives despise(d) manual labor. Most will admit this. They lived hand-to-mouth and day to day.
Ask yourself: For what purpose would nomadic, hunter-gatherers build miles and miles of stone walls?
NFW they built these lol.
The native tribes in the area said the walls were there before they were. So no
i walk at Ed Levin county Park all the time, its most def a trip staring at those rocks
These walls were not corrals or property lines or for livestock... they almost never form enclosures or lines that make sense for this purpose. I have my own theory based on experience. One time a friend and I were hiking off trail in Annadel st. park in Sonoma county (where there are many of these walls) and we saw some deer about 100 yds ahead of us near one of these rock walls that ran from where we were standing roughly in the direction they were. We positioned ourselves on the opposing side of the wall and crept closer and closer to them from behind the wall. We were able to get within 30 or 40 ft of them before we popped up on the other side of the wall and they took off running. We had unintentionally but successfully gotten within close range with a bow and arrow. At this moment I realized these walls, even though dilapidated were still functional. I believe they were built by Native Americans for the purpose of hunting large game. Has anyone postulated this yet? I would have never thought of this if I hadn't discovered it by chance.... from the air and on a map, the walls seem almost haphazard - until you walk among them while you are stoned.
Also there were huge ranchos throughout the 1800s in California.
I like that idea.
The problem is..the natives themselves don’t know who built it either… natives have no problem telling us about what they know.. yet they are just as stumped as we are.
I’m getting extremely curious because I don’t live close to the East Bay I live in Oakdale California but we too have these mysterious rock walls all along the countryside
But it ends in a stone circle at Mt Diablo and has anyone dug it up to see how deep it's buried?
Do you know the name of the trail that this stone circle is on? I would love to see that.
@@jasrod68 I do not know but I would like to see it as well
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Simple experiment: Wall going thru a flat plane, determine the count of rocks left in the ground of either side of the wall for 1000 ft moving away from the wall. Determine how many rocks appear for every 1000 sq feet. Move another 1000 ft away from the wall and determine how many rocks appear on the surface. Continue on this route taking count as you move away from the wall on each side. If rocks left on the ground are NOT increasing in number then this is an erroding natural formation traveling deep into the earth. If hand built, then rocks apearing on the ground closest to the wall would be fewer in number. Many such formations of this type exist in California. History channel did such a documentary on anonther formation.
I recognized these "walls" as soon as I saw them. Common practice in ranchos throughout all of Mexico which California was part of. There's still whole bunch of these in Mexico to this day.
In azores they do this to separate property if you own alot of acres you would put a wall of rocks around it
never heard of these. where abouts do they start in the berkley hills?
Legend has it they were built to keep the Mexicans out
These walls would not stop sheep or goats, and probably cows, from easily climbing over or around them.
hard to imagine a cow climbing that .. they get weird about crossing over certain things
These walls are 50 miles long and only on one side. Those walls look like they have been there for at least 400 years looking at the lichen on them.
Lichen doesn't take that long to grow. Mid-1800s is a reasonable estimate.
A question I have previously asked ( asked previously ) .. has anyone dug along, underneath these rock walls to check the depth.
Are the bottom rocks at or near the surface or do they go down into the earth.. and if so, how far?
I have seen video by "forensic geologist Scott Wolter" and he digs down, you can see they go down deep, but I was disappointed he didn't use luminescence dating technology that shows when the mineral grains below the stones were last exposed to sunlight or heating
@@amyterrill Anything involving "forensic geologist Scott Wolter" guarantees that 1) Scott will rack up many frequent flier miles , and 2) nothing will be solved.
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This is normal in mexico. They have so much volcanic rock its retry normal walls of rock around homes. Not in the city limits but more rural towns
I wish I had watched this before wasting 45 mins of my life on that schlock America Unearthed on History Channel.
That is a BS program.. written, produced, starred in, and narrated by an egomaniac.
These are all over upstate NY. They are from farmers clearing land for plowing the land for livestock feed. The one expert is correct. How do you feed a sudden doubling of a population?
I'd wager that not all of the walls in NY and NE are colonial.Mainly because it's already established that the Natives built with stone.The other problem is that if you visit sites with these walls,the explanations for them often don't make sense.The walls don't always make sense.
Michael hunt the State Reforestation Areas and you will see a lot from abandoned Farms . Many huge stone boat piles in the Woods not far from Walls , Old wells and Cellar holes . Wide spread around the uplands across the State . But in California it is exciting to look for other reasons and not use logic to explain it ?
@@markcantemail8018 Provably false.
The ranchers prolly lifted the 1200 ton stone at Baalbeck then
Right on the money
Well, what exact year was the wall constructed?
These walls were for cattle? Really? Thousands of miles of wall that twist and turn and make no sense as cattle corrals? That are made from giant megalithic stones, that run up 30 degree hills or steeper? Really dude?
"That are made from giant megalithic stones ..." Really dude?
I saw stones that could be picked up by a single human, hardly megalithic. Megalithic stones weight several hundred tons.
@@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164 They don't have to weigh anywhere near hundreds of tons to be considered megalithic,but you're right about these walls.
Very interesting. I grew up in the Bay area never even heard of them, gosh I wish I known I'd like to see them.
The Aboriginal indigenous Indians who were here on the land before they were killed off
...and a culture and language wiped out....
My family is from Mexico specifically the Sierra madre mountain range in durango in the middle of no where and when I went their my family property was fenced by these rock fences
They look like the desert kites...
I was just at Ed Levin Park in Milpitas today for a company picnic. It ticked me off that I couldn't see any stone walls from the park even with a spotting scope. But I generally agree with the "expert opinion" except that I think they were built before the Gold Rush, when owners of the huge land grants hires local Indians to build these walls to keep their cattle from going over the mountain.
The Spanish said they were there when they made it to that area which is far before settlers hit the region in the gold rush so it obviously can not be from ranching,and that guys a paid archaeologist? 😂😂😂
Can you provide a link or source from where you read the Spanish said the rocks were already there? I'd love to see that. Thanks.
I would love to see that as well. Not calling you a liar, just want to fact check your statements
I don't need to be fact checked,I could care less what someone else does or does not know,you want facts find them like I do,I never ask for shit,I always do my own research and then I research that research before I speak so go find it like I did,simple.
Next his going to say the Roman's
While I do think that the early European explanations make total sense, Karl Jacoby's book, "Crimes Against Nature", does make mention of how Amerindians (alternatively call them native americans or whatever you want), had already developed lands including that of Yellowstone in such a way that animals were herded with very basic measures. I presume that other parts of North America such as that of California may have had better resources and techniques at their disposal, allowing them to build these walls to herd animals. We tend to take Amerindians for having been a people of subsistence, but in reality it seems to change based on where we look, Central American peoples were nearly at a stage resembling the ancient greeks, so who is to say Californian Amerindians weren't at a point equating to Britain in those same ancient times.
The only plausable explanation is that some pranksters built this wall several hundred years ago to bewilder and create controversy among future historians and archaeologists.
They are also further north chico Redbluff Lassen.
This is fairly common across farming California, Go anywhere in the Sierra Nevada and you see the same stuff; I don’t know why you wouldn’t just assume some relative recent for of building, it’s not as if the walls would’ve survived hundreds upon hundreds of years without falling apart.
I live in northern California and when driving though places like Jamison Canyon and say when I'm driving towards Rio Vista south bound you can see similar stuff not as long and not so mysteriesuous but pretty clearly was more territory markers and boundary walls for cattle
I grew up in Rio Vista. These are not archaic walls. They are boundry walls. I believe there are 3 types of walls in N. California; boundry, stockyard and archaic--built by Miwok and Ohlone for game herding/hunting.
Difficult to cultivate those beautiful fields with all those huge stones all over them.
Nobody cultivated the hillsides. What a ridiculous comment.
Shorter sections of VERY similar stone “wall” remnants exist along the ‘Pine Mountain’ fire access road in West Marin as well. (Just beyond the Woodacre/San Geronimo ridge). And, if its another large handful of far-fetched, unfounded Origin Stories you're after - The 'New Age' day-hiking enthusiasts of Marin County will NOT let you down there either!
A mystery vid that is clear, concise, and ends with a plausible theory! Lovely!
That's all you see in Mexico so it was just to keep land and cadel nothing crazy
🤔Its almost funny.. Because thats a cerca, mexicans build those type of stone walls/ cerca in spanish.
I think ranchers too. Logical explanation 😏😉
I've heard these mundane explanations for the Berkeley hills walls before, and they're believeable , but I'd like to know what the origins of the story that the local "Indians" claimed that the walls were ancient even to them is (or if that's just a made-up tale). I've also heard that there are other walls of this sort in the Pacific Northwest, and further up the California coast, and some people have talked of "stone circles". There are also supposedly a number of "mysterious" walls and structures in New England, so-called dolmens and such. Does anybody know anything about all that? Anybody can pile up rocks, any time, and you can't carbon-date them...
There's tons of walls,stone chambers,dolmens,cairns etc. in NY and NE.Some are contested,some are definitely pre colonial.
Thank you. You are the one of few commenters not steeped in racism.
So where exactly are these walls? Can someone point me to the right direction?
I'm on it
Update?
They have these same walls here in Napa Ca they were built by Chinese imigrants that migrated here. Walls are built to seperate properties. Simple explanations
They have some in Napa they say that Chinese “workers” (or slaves) built them
Slavery was never legal in California
We have them on hilltops in Sonoma Couty. These include some hills that divide Sonoma and Napa counties. The first U.S. patent for barbed wire was in1867. There was massive Mexican land grants to families well before then. I'm guessing the stone fences were to mark cattle and property boundaries.
I have heard about the Chinese labor over here too. Also heard Native American labor. Calfornia has had slaves. Most notable were the native Americans that were enslaved by Spanish missionaries.
@@Dog.soldier1950 it def was an still is now
@@Dog.soldier1950 ??? do you know what prisons are? do you know anything about California or American history at all?
@@loveandhate6854 yes, I worked in one and yes I know California history. California never had slavery under Mexican or US rule and the church disputes the slavery accusations under the Spanish
These rock fences are very common in northern Mexico… in Mexico they are just cattle fences.
I believe it's a Western extension of the wall at the center of the "fish hook" at the Gettysburg battlefield.
Is it really that hard to understand that it’s a barrier of property for ranchers of that time??
Just looks like marking property to me. We have stone walls like this throughout the highlands in the UK. Some of these walls go right up the side of mountains and it does seem like a excessive effort. I dont know a lot about the walls listed her though so I'm open to any theories.
Marking for what purpose?
@@walterdelorrell4041 So that it's obvious what land people own.
Yea like in Rockwall tx it's prehistoric
only thing wrong with the explanation the professor and the narrator hold is that to the native indigenous people of the area say the walls are before their time of record keeping and the Spanish questioned their origins as well.
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live stock will stop if you hang a thread with tassles on it.... A stone wall however, to our experiance... is a more permenant structure and takes much more effort. So would you build a 300 mile long stone wall to retain live stock ? Just asking...
Don't know we just know that these are used world wide for that purpose
Are you familiar with the Montana Sage megalithic stone walls? Or the supposed underground wall of Texas?
I heard past generations of Native Americans in the Bay Area had the knowledge of doing large scale controlled burns, as to prevent the natural fires from burning civilization, perhaps these rock walls were made to keep rolling fires from burning over the hillsides into the coastline where people lived
If that were the case they would help stop the California fires and they don't seem to. Since when does a few fire embers blow across eight lanes of Highway 101 and get stray patches of weeds hot enough to melt aluminum. Those California fires are NOT normal, somebody is using lasers or tesla weapons
The human race is used to building walls.
This is not a true scholarly explanation. We have the same rock walls along the ridgetop at Taylor mountain park in Santa Rosa. No explanation. No dates. Whoever built them would have left something along the wall.
There is no mystery here at all. My family home's backyard border was established with a piled stone wall built by the previous homeowner. When driving on the Taconic Parkway in New York State, near Fahnestock, you'll see many long, piled stone walls in forests where people seldom walk because it is the landowner's private property. The stone walls in San Jose/Freemont are border walls to establish the landowner's area for their livestock to graze.
OMG people they were used for ranching to keep livestock in. I see pictures of Australia and Portugal why look so far? The hills on silver creek in San Jose have them. In Mexico they are still using this type of fence
They didn't have enough time or people to do a project like that. Life was hard, people didn't waste time on non essential stuff.
That was a long slow walk that went nowhere.
It looks like somebody from New England moved west and built stone walls, just like they’d done back home, because the stone is readily available, they needed to create borders, and put the stones to good use as a durable fence. This is no different than people now thinking they should have lush, green lawns, like they did back east, except they’re now living in a much more arid region and selfishly have no concept of “misappropriation of water.”. That’s why California has so many earthquakes: to shake all the New Yorkers back east!
no map of these walls exists?
Explanation makes no sense European settlers in the 18th Century were the first to make note of the wall and asked the local native tribe about it and they said it’s been there for as long as they know so it couldn’t have been made by a cattle farmer during the golf rush which was in the 19th century
You'll also find them in the foothills near Knights Ferry, east of Modesto. They look exactly the same as these and go for miles upon miles. I believe they are quite ancient and were part of some long-forgotten religious fetish, because many of the walls make no practical sense. One in particular runs right up to a steep canyon's edge. Nobody would direct their flock to fall off a cliff. Religion has a way of getting men to expend precious energy and resources for seemingly inexplicable reasons.
Making a mystery where one doesn’t really exist. Walls/fences for early ranching of animals and property border marking. Duh.
The same style rockwork is all over Kauai Hawaii
Nearly the same ones in Sweden.
Merino wool Spanish fever.
2 reasons for walls. To keep people out Or to keep animals in. This looks like the latter. Possibly just a ranch.
Wtf is the background musak for? It is insulting.
geomancy of the chinese, for outsiders it don't make sense, "it has to override the hill tops/mountain tops, tracing the dragon veins.., dowing on its dorsal vital lines..."
Its fact that alot of Chinese imigrants that came here to California. But no one can sy anything for aure but hes right about the cattle! Nice analogy.
The Chinese immigrants came to California to build the railroad, much later time frame.
Technically, these walls are proof that one person's opinion is just as valid as another person's!
Thats a very confusing comment
I was guessing animal fencing too.
I thought they were there for livestock. Mainly to keep sheep in.
They use those back in the gold Rush days to keep the prostitutes in line.
Crop cercles
I think cattle make most sense.
A VERY OLD RANCHER TOLD ME IN THE 60S THE WALLS MILK COW OVER THE HILLS WHERE THEY VERY HARD TO MILK TWICE A DAY HE SAID THEY WERE NAMED THE MASHALS BIG PORTGEZE WELSH CLAN IN BERKELEY ORINDA HILLS YOU COULD FIND MORE THEY HAD RANCH WERE TIDEN PARK IN NOW KNOW MORE OLD THINGS IN AREA IF YOU WANT TO ASK I AM OLD NOW DONT WATE TO LONG
Are you a serial killer? Who types like this?
Cody James a goddamn madman that’s who
@@codyj8763 An old person. Relax. He says right in his comment that he is old and to ask him things and not wait too long.
Guess we are still trying to explain their existence and purpose. Given the area they protect, it would take a lot of sheep or cows to justify their existence. How come none of the gold rush research or histories of California seems to mention them? They remind me of Southern Ireland but are only similar in purpose. The history of the US before Columbus is pretty sketchy and needs more research.
We have hundreds of these "walls" on the south coast of NSW Australia in and around kiama, they are nothing more than padock "separators" or "difiners", just as these walls are, nothing mystical about them.
It was actually built by the Romans.
Wrong continent.
Why is this a mystery? Clearing the land of rocks and other debris so it can be used for grazing and planting has been going on around the world for millennia. The vast majority of stone walls were built this way.
How can he say they were built to corral livestock, ok my sheep are on this side and yours are on that side.
There were no sheep on the other side, just miles and miles of wilderness. A bayarea and california you couldnt even imagine in that pea brain of yours.
lmao the great wall of Cal-nia
couldn't it just be a collective effort from herders/farmers, knowledge brought over from out tea drinking oppressive fore fathers in jolly ol England where such waist high stone walls are commonplace for those that raise sheep and cattle, sure the scale described is impressive (if it is a continuous stretch of wall, {as it sounded to me.}) don't know why there would be so much debate around it, but hey who doesn't love a good mystery amirite?
I blame Hadrian et al.
Who paid for this wall?
After reading some of your comments I came to conclusions that some of y’all are wackos
Did Marco polo say anything about the great wall of china?. NO he did not. How he missed it is the mystery.
Marco Polo's chronicles was as valid as the Bible and the book of Mormon.
Yep, built by Spanish ranchero's was my first thought as the most likely source.
Spanish didn't build anything. They enslaved Miwok and Ohlone to build it for them.