Back in the days when I was for a few years a friar of the Province of the Most Holy Name of Jesus, we were taught that Thomists "Never deny; seldom affirm; always distinguish." I've carried this wisdom now for over thirty years.
Thanks for the helpful episode! Really loved that quote from Edith Stein and I thought I would share that I am reading "Mont Saint Michel and Chartres" by Henry Adams (1904), and he has some glorious passages on St. Thomas in his chapter, "St. Thomas Aquinas." Cheers!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🤔 *Father Gregory Pine, a Dominican Friar, discusses the concept of Thomism in relation to Saint Thomas Aquinas' thought.* 01:01 📜 *Thomism involves both the content of what Saint Thomas says and his methodology of theologizing.* 02:37 🚫 *Overemphasis on Saint Thomas Aquinas' authority without proper engagement can hinder genuine theological discourse.* 05:07 💡 *Thomism is not solely about synthesis but also about the wise ordering of knowledge.* 06:29 🔄 *Insistence on synthesis in Thomism can lead to trivializing the content of Saint Thomas' teachings.* 08:09 📚 *Being a Thomist involves engaging with both the content and methodology of Saint Thomas' thought.* 10:31 🎓 *Saint Thomas Aquinas is referred to as the "common doctor" due to his balanced approach to theology accessible to all.* 12:36 🌱 *Thomism corresponds to reality and aids in understanding human nature and the truths of existence.* 14:41 💭 *Saint Thomas' philosophy offers a sober grasp of truth, aiding in making right choices with ease and confidence.* 15:51 📖 *Further exploration on Thomism can be pursued through scholarly articles and resources like "Nova ET Vedra" and Father Gregory Pine's book "Prudence: Choose Confidently, Live Boldly."*
This is outstanding. I love Saint Thomas, but we can't quote him as if he were a Pope. I love him for everything. But a great example of the first time he made me take pause was when he argued that not All Dogs go to heaven. lol It's the one area I hope he is wrong about. :)
2:06 Correction. His biology, we know to be incomplete. I don't think any part can be shown to be false, unless the part where the father is providing the formal and the mother the material principle (the mother in fact does that by nutrition, even, but mother as well as father provide the genome). His cosmology, as to cosmic spheres, that part was proven false by Tycho Brahe. BUT, Earth in the centre, not rotating, concentric spheres of whatever material (though no _complete_ spheres of _solid_ material) being moved from Primum Mobile by the Primus Motor inward toward Oceanic currents, angels moving individual celestial bodies within their "spheres" (like an angel moving the Sun eastward around the zodiac each year), all of that has by contrast _not_ been proven false.
@@ronanjm Over centuries, obviously yes. Today? At least by Geocentrics. But I was not speaking of getting taken seriously today, I was speaking about truth, which is not the same thing. Tell Cicero a new born is not disposable - would he take you seriously? No. He was a Pagan. He lived in a period and area with false ideologies. Dito with today's Heliocentrics.
From my perspective the whole universe revolves around, and passes by the earth. It's the vantage point of conscious beings. Until beings capable of reason are discovered on another sphere what other perspective is there?
@@Jim-Mc God's. That of God, angels and Blessed souls around Soul and Body of Our Lord and Our Lady. It's a perspective _above_ the spheres. The perspective we have cannot prove earth is still beyond _any_ shadow of doubt, but, as you say, barring beings with bodies and reason living on other spheres as their biological home, it puts it above _reasonable_ doubt, at least barring the eventuality of a future reason to doubt it. Now, it can be mentioned, both Bruno and Euler were selling Heliocentrism to the tune of "Aliens" ...
@@hglundahl are you comparing attitude differences between cultures to something that is observably false? If you don’t have higher education in science, there’s better reason to take geocentrism seriously, but once you start doing the math yourself, it’s a joke. Patristic tradition or even what is presumed in the biblical text is not relevant, it’s not a question of faith.
Do any make you chuckle: The ideal priest is an O.P. Thomist. My outlook on life is O.P. Thomistic I prefer my priests to be O.P. Thomists The world needs more O.P. Thomis(m/ts) I prefer my preaching from an O.P. Thomist O.P. Thomism can solve all of life’s problems I like my priests like I like my outlook... O.P. Thomistic I'm an O.P. Thomist. Don't believe me? What proof do you want? Pessimists dislike arguments ; Realists accept arguments ; O.P. thomists win arguments The Pessimist (insert Matt's face) ; The O.P. Thomist (insert Fr. Gregory's face) ; The Realist = (Pints with Aquinas Logo)
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459 pretty much. Protestants have doing it for years. John Owen, Petrus Von Mastricht, Eric Mascall, and RUclipsr and Lutheran theologian Jordan B Cooper are all Thomists
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459 pretty much ya. John Owen, Petrus von Mastricht, E. L. Mascall, and Jordan B Cooper are all Protestant Thomists. Theologically as well though in regards to classical theism
I've seen some contemporary philosophers and theologians condescendingly joke about Aquinas being all the rage these days. I don't know what they're talking about because Aquinas has always been influential. And judging by many of the papers and books I come across, people should be reading him more.
Various levels of "Thomists" in increasing adherence to Saint Thomas: 1) Those who say they are Thomists because they are Catholic, but really know nothing about him or his doctrine. 2) Those who are fans of Saint Thomas, and are more interested in Team Aquinas being victorious than that truth be served. 3) Those who study Aquinas and understand his doctrine, but feel free to disagree on various points if they do not appear to serve the Faith. 4) Those who adhere to the 24 theses outlined by Pope Saint Pius X as being essential to Thomistic teaching.
I wouldn't call myself a strict Thomist per se, but Saint Thomas Aquinas was my confirmation saint and I will say that Thomism tends to be the most consistent in many areas. There are various schools of thought in holy mother Church but the teachings of Aquinas are definitely nourishing and much-needed in today's starving and depraved Society.
Wow I never heard someone talk so much and never address the topic lol watched the whole video and he never answered the question of the title “What is a Thomist”
There is nothing Godly about catholicism. God's word condemns catholics over and over. God says that, because of their traditions they are of their father satan. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Matthew 23:9 KJV Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:42, 44 KJV Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:8 KJV making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. Mark 7:13 KJV But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Matthew 15:3 KJV
Interesting that your proof texts nowhere say "Catholic Church". How about this one? "the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."- 2 tim 3:15 kjv. Remember that the church composed the bible, not the other way around.
@@robertkonczal7406 Yeah, your right it does not say catholic church. It does have a lot to say about not keeping The Commandments of God. Mass is the tradition of crucifying Christ over and over again. In that tradition they claim that they as a created being hold power over The Creator and that they can call God down from heaven to be sacrificed. But yeah it doesn't say catholic church. That they keep the commandments of men through traditions. Catholicism literally break all of God's word! Idolaters that worship the pagan feminine goddess. I mean come on, because catholic church is not said means they can worshiping a man that calls himself Christ!?
@@thisgirl5933 You are making an upside down cross. Ask yourself why would they trick you into making it.👇 ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxcn7L2pfOc5Xxp1DMEcV7zVRlsI1ydWcP
Back in the days when I was for a few years a friar of the Province of the Most Holy Name of Jesus, we were taught that Thomists "Never deny; seldom affirm; always distinguish." I've carried this wisdom now for over thirty years.
Always love Fr Pine’s videos.
So true Fr. Pine, Thomism the best.
Thanks for the helpful episode! Really loved that quote from Edith Stein and I thought I would share that I am reading "Mont Saint Michel and Chartres" by Henry Adams (1904), and he has some glorious passages on St. Thomas in his chapter, "St. Thomas Aquinas." Cheers!
I am really enjoying your recent videos, Fr. Pine.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🤔 *Father Gregory Pine, a Dominican Friar, discusses the concept of Thomism in relation to Saint Thomas Aquinas' thought.*
01:01 📜 *Thomism involves both the content of what Saint Thomas says and his methodology of theologizing.*
02:37 🚫 *Overemphasis on Saint Thomas Aquinas' authority without proper engagement can hinder genuine theological discourse.*
05:07 💡 *Thomism is not solely about synthesis but also about the wise ordering of knowledge.*
06:29 🔄 *Insistence on synthesis in Thomism can lead to trivializing the content of Saint Thomas' teachings.*
08:09 📚 *Being a Thomist involves engaging with both the content and methodology of Saint Thomas' thought.*
10:31 🎓 *Saint Thomas Aquinas is referred to as the "common doctor" due to his balanced approach to theology accessible to all.*
12:36 🌱 *Thomism corresponds to reality and aids in understanding human nature and the truths of existence.*
14:41 💭 *Saint Thomas' philosophy offers a sober grasp of truth, aiding in making right choices with ease and confidence.*
15:51 📖 *Further exploration on Thomism can be pursued through scholarly articles and resources like "Nova ET Vedra" and Father Gregory Pine's book "Prudence: Choose Confidently, Live Boldly."*
I enjoy a respectful discourse in the SaintThomasMoore debate style. My life would be so much easier if I were monosalabic
This is outstanding. I love Saint Thomas, but we can't quote him as if he were a Pope. I love him for everything. But a great example of the first time he made me take pause was when he argued that not All Dogs go to heaven. lol It's the one area I hope he is wrong about. :)
Fr Pine, could you prevail upon Matt to interview Eleanor Stump-if indeed you know such an interview to be a possibility?
I can't find the book cited by Edith Stein here (13mn) is it possible to find out more about this edition please ?
2:06 Correction.
His biology, we know to be incomplete. I don't think any part can be shown to be false, unless the part where the father is providing the formal and the mother the material principle (the mother in fact does that by nutrition, even, but mother as well as father provide the genome).
His cosmology, as to cosmic spheres, that part was proven false by Tycho Brahe. BUT, Earth in the centre, not rotating, concentric spheres of whatever material (though no _complete_ spheres of _solid_ material) being moved from Primum Mobile by the Primus Motor inward toward Oceanic currents, angels moving individual celestial bodies within their "spheres" (like an angel moving the Sun eastward around the zodiac each year), all of that has by contrast _not_ been proven false.
Are you suggesting that geocentrism is at all taken seriously?
@@ronanjm Over centuries, obviously yes.
Today? At least by Geocentrics.
But I was not speaking of getting taken seriously today, I was speaking about truth, which is not the same thing.
Tell Cicero a new born is not disposable - would he take you seriously? No.
He was a Pagan. He lived in a period and area with false ideologies.
Dito with today's Heliocentrics.
From my perspective the whole universe revolves around, and passes by the earth. It's the vantage point of conscious beings. Until beings capable of reason are discovered on another sphere what other perspective is there?
@@Jim-Mc God's.
That of God, angels and Blessed souls around Soul and Body of Our Lord and Our Lady.
It's a perspective _above_ the spheres.
The perspective we have cannot prove earth is still beyond _any_ shadow of doubt, but, as you say, barring beings with bodies and reason living on other spheres as their biological home, it puts it above _reasonable_ doubt, at least barring the eventuality of a future reason to doubt it.
Now, it can be mentioned, both Bruno and Euler were selling Heliocentrism to the tune of "Aliens" ...
@@hglundahl are you comparing attitude differences between cultures to something that is observably false? If you don’t have higher education in science, there’s better reason to take geocentrism seriously, but once you start doing the math yourself, it’s a joke. Patristic tradition or even what is presumed in the biblical text is not relevant, it’s not a question of faith.
Do any make you chuckle:
The ideal priest is an O.P. Thomist.
My outlook on life is O.P. Thomistic
I prefer my priests to be O.P. Thomists
The world needs more O.P. Thomis(m/ts)
I prefer my preaching from an O.P. Thomist
O.P. Thomism can solve all of life’s problems
I like my priests like I like my outlook... O.P. Thomistic
I'm an O.P. Thomist. Don't believe me? What proof do you want?
Pessimists dislike arguments ; Realists accept arguments ; O.P. thomists win arguments
The Pessimist (insert Matt's face) ; The O.P. Thomist (insert Fr. Gregory's face) ; The Realist = (Pints with Aquinas Logo)
I identify as a Protestant Thomist (although I think Scotus might have gotten a couple things right that Aquinas might have missed)
How does that even work?? Are you just into the underlying philosophy behind it?
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459 pretty much. Protestants have doing it for years. John Owen, Petrus Von Mastricht, Eric Mascall, and RUclipsr and Lutheran theologian Jordan B Cooper are all Thomists
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459 pretty much ya. John Owen, Petrus von Mastricht, E. L. Mascall, and Jordan B Cooper are all Protestant Thomists. Theologically as well though in regards to classical theism
I've seen some contemporary philosophers and theologians condescendingly joke about Aquinas being all the rage these days. I don't know what they're talking about because Aquinas has always been influential. And judging by many of the papers and books I come across, people should be reading him more.
A Thomist is Based.
Various levels of "Thomists" in increasing adherence to Saint Thomas:
1) Those who say they are Thomists because they are Catholic, but really know nothing about him or his doctrine.
2) Those who are fans of Saint Thomas, and are more interested in Team Aquinas being victorious than that truth be served.
3) Those who study Aquinas and understand his doctrine, but feel free to disagree on various points if they do not appear to serve the Faith.
4) Those who adhere to the 24 theses outlined by Pope Saint Pius X as being essential to Thomistic teaching.
I wouldn't call myself a strict Thomist per se, but Saint Thomas Aquinas was my confirmation saint and I will say that Thomism tends to be the most consistent in many areas. There are various schools of thought in holy mother Church but the teachings of Aquinas are definitely nourishing and much-needed in today's starving and depraved Society.
Louis de Molina would like to know your location.
Do you think he destroyed Thomism?
@@karolswirniak No. I think Thomism destroys him.
Father you are cute and MANLY- it's mystery😆
Is it cool that some of us as patristics?
Theologians speak in a higher level of language. They communicate meaning using uncommon expressions and words. Which take a while to sink in...
Can we talk... I think I found something 'new'... and have 'the' "Theodicy".
Thanks.
...except it would be better to say that it is very very old - and more accurately should instead be considered... 'lost' and 'found'.
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Wow I never heard someone talk so much and never address the topic lol watched the whole video and he never answered the question of the title “What is a Thomist”
It means you worship rationalistic fake deity Thomas Aquinas. Not the way of the Apostles or the Fathers of the Church. Saint Francis pray for us ☦️
A heretic.
There is nothing Godly about catholicism. God's word condemns catholics over and over. God says that, because of their traditions they are of their father satan.
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9 KJV
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:42, 44 KJV
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:8 KJV
making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Mark 7:13 KJV
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matthew 15:3 KJV
Interesting that your proof texts nowhere say "Catholic Church".
How about this one? "the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."- 2 tim 3:15 kjv.
Remember that the church composed the bible, not the other way around.
@@robertkonczal7406 Yeah, your right it does not say catholic church. It does have a lot to say about not keeping The Commandments of God. Mass is the tradition of crucifying Christ over and over again. In that tradition they claim that they as a created being hold power over The Creator and that they can call God down from heaven to be sacrificed. But yeah it doesn't say catholic church.
That they keep the commandments of men through traditions. Catholicism literally break all of God's word! Idolaters that worship the pagan feminine goddess. I mean come on, because catholic church is not said means they can worshiping a man that calls himself Christ!?
No
Nothing??? Do we even make the sign of the cross wrong?
@@thisgirl5933 You are making an upside down cross. Ask yourself why would they trick you into making it.👇
ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxcn7L2pfOc5Xxp1DMEcV7zVRlsI1ydWcP